@@leenieledejo6849 this was her second time with the detectives as she has her lawyer with her, the first time she had no lawyer . Recheck this video, she has changed her hair color. When the incident happened she had blue and yellow hair . She told the detectives she changed her hair color due to death threats . So yes , she lawyered up once it was revealed there was a fatality , but I do like your fairness
Xanax 100% explains everything she should of been tested she was showing all the signs of being high on some kind of powerful benzoate Xanax would explain her laid back nature to a very serious job as well as her speech and particularly her lazy involuntary body movements .
I know 2 pro 3 gunners that also their father is a world class cowboy shooter so my personal experience having competed against them they know what they are doing
She's an ARMORER and doesn't KNOW what live rounds look like?? That's just not even believable! In fact, that's a bold faced LIE! Especially if she learned from her dad. I know he knew the difference in ammo. I also know SHE knows the difference. EVERY armorer knows. It's their JOB to know! BS!
It's because, it's sabotage. If you and I could tell surely someone who is the daughter of a legendary armorer that repeats making the same dummy ammo all day will too. Security and set managers left the storage area accessible to anyone.
@@coreym162 In the interview she acted as though she didn't know the difference. Plus it's her job to recheck the cylinder and the rounds in front of the individual that's going to handle the prop and then hand it to them directly. That's the on set safety protocol.
@@coreym162 i’m 90% sure it was sabotage for whatever reason. But potential sabotage is just another good reason to always ALWAYS! Thoroughly check a firearm before it’s handed to someone else.🚀✨🚀✨🚀
@@gurnblanston3210 seriously? He's an actor trusting the protocol. You don't have to like him but to state he shoots people is wildly biased. It's her fucking job to hand him a proper and secure gun!
@@gurnblanston3210 Bro its suppose to be fake round, EVERY movie that has a gun in it "Ignores the four basic rules of firearm safety" Are you joking me lol.
It takes a person with experience to stand up to someone like Alec. People probably tried to override Hannah. The production staff and try to do things their way. There were people who brought live ammo and that was when Hannah should have gotten those people fired and removed from set. But no one was going to listen to her with her inexperience. I think other people were shooting live ammo during breaks and it got mixed up with the dummy rounds. There should have been a separate propmaster and the production also didn’t have adequate completion insurance. Had this been a well funded project Halyna should have been able to remote operate the camera had she needed a shot that close. Production was trying to save costs all around. Alec was also dumb to be posturing with a gun that he hadn’t checked himself. The AD also called cold gun when it wasn’t cold. More than one person should be held responsible. Halyna didn’t need to be in that position she was in the wrong place in the wrong time with no workplace protections.
The armorer was more interested in her phone than anything else during on set questioning. These are the caliber (no pun intended) of people companies hire now days to be responsible for positions in which a single error or lapse of judgment can result in loss of life or serious injury.
I agree. This ADDICTION to cell phones has burnt the brains of young people. People used to be aware of their surroundings (our ancestors very lives depended on it). Nowadays people seem to live a sort of half-life in cyber space most of the time. Im really glad i didnt grow up with those things.
Hollywood has moved productions to other states to save money - one way money is saved is that many states require NO credentials for safety personnel like this 'armorer.' Read the statistics on how many crew are injured and even killed in these other states. It's needless.
@@gurnblanston3210 The weapons master on the set should be responsible for verifying all prop guns and ammo are safe. Someone didn’t do the work required.
@@gurnblanston3210 No one, including Alec, has been charged with anything yet. We’ll have to wait and see if anyone ever will be. By the way, I’m not a fan of Alec, or trump’s. I don’t have a horse in this race.
Her dad is a leading armorer in Hollywood. So, if he says his daughter can do it, most people will believe him and act accordingly. Like the other guy said, nepotism.
Well it's obvious from watching other interviews that David Halls ( first assistant director ) didn't know what was going on, and Alec Baldwin ( producer ) didn't know what was going on. This was a tragedy waiting to happen.
nope, she knows perfectly well, she's just lying. She obviously modified some rounds when the prop supplier denied her request for live rounds. It'll all come out in the wash.
@@gurnblanston3210 Obviously it does cause it did. And any armorer who says “I’m PRETTY sure it was “KINDA MIDWAY “ has no business handling guns for anyone. Tell me you would approve anyone who would say that. If you do, you have no business handling guns yourself.
@@gurnblanston3210 In your business, the guns are assumed to be loaded. In movie making the guns are assumed to be loaded with blanks unless you have an inept armorer. Big azz difference.
It depends on why she was hired, if she had a certification in firearms safety then the person who hired her isn't responsible, if she had no certification of any kind then yes the hirer would to be to blame as well.
She is culpable, no doubt, but the ultimate responsibility of any gun belongs to the person holding the gun. Every gun safety class teaches this. I wonder if Baldwin would have checked the gun if the scene called for him to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger. If my own mother handed me a gun and said it was cold I would check it anyway. It’s not rocket science. It’s common sense and it’s gun safety 101.
@@voluntarism335 you are wrong and this will come out the the trial. And, he does know how to check it. Watch all his interviews and police questioning. He is familiar with guns. According to him he’s handled guns on movie sets for decades. He also skipped the gun safety class prior to filming that day bc he was too busy taking phone calls with his family. And even if he didn’t know how to check the gun, which he does, that does not negate his responsibility. Take a gun safety course and you will know that you are incorrect.
@@voluntarism335 he's not ever supposed to aim the weapon at a person so he is also to blame. There are multiple layers to safety and multiple people, including the armorer and Baldwin, broke a combination of several safety protocols they are all well aware of.
When this first happened, I saw a prop man on television show how to verify a "cold gun". The last step was to pull the trigger 7 times to ensure that every round was struck by the firing pin. Evidently the armorer's father did not teach her anything.
She was sent off set before they decided to have a rehearsal. Also, Baldwin told his assistant to go grab a gun off the cart, and not bother to call her back to test, and hand out the gun. Should not the assistant or Baldwin have test fired the gun if he wasn't going to call the Armour back?
Since all ammo must be purchased from a licensed prop house, as well as the guns. Theres a definite issue of how it got on set. Also the OSHA investigation and determination was a willful and deliberately negligent ignoring of industry standards, protocols and laws by the production company and producers. The determination was over 11 pages long and sited numerous instances of deliberate ignoring of laws regarding notification to OSHA of near misses, such as the 2 accidental discharges, and the small explosive device that went off by accident. It also details Reed asking for training days for Baldwin, other actors and stunt doubles before and after the weapon discharges but was refused that time. It also states that Reed was hired/contracted for 8 days as an armorer and when the time was up she let them know that they still had guns in use nearly every day of scheduled filming and that she should be on site and present during filming, they refused to increase her armorer days, in fact they stated that she spent to much time on her armorer duties and not enough time as a prop assistant to the prop master. They also apparently sent text messages or emails pressuring Reed not to notify anyone about the accidental discharges. The OSHA report is very damning and will definitely be a key piece of evidence in any court case...
How can live and blank ammo get mixed-up? impossible ?... if someone fire's a gun 🔫 they know not mixed-up live / blank bullets . Too many questions now . Someone had to be shotting live ammo on this movie 🎬. 2nd problem it's a 18th century revolver too get live ammo you have buy it from a licensed shop . Whole movie industry needs harder law's? All idiots 🙄 could be a kid next time ⏲️
@@joyhouse4625 Ok for clarity blank rounds do not have an actual projectile/lead bullet but they have gun powder and do fire. They are crimped at the top and are shorter than a normal round. A dummy round and a live round look like each other, in fact a dummy round is made from either a live round they took apart and removed the powder and primer from, or that they literally took an used (meaning already fired casing) brass that they drilled a hole in the side, leaving the gun powder out of and adding a bb where the gun powder would have been and reattached a projectile/bullet.There by making that round inoperable and safe. Dummy rounds are handmade from either a spent used casing/ brass, from a brand new brass/casing, or taking a live round that was dismantled and remade. They place a BB in side the empty casing/brass, drill a hole in the casing or they leave the primer out of it, the primer is either an inert used one or its left off completely leaving a hole where it should be, then they press a bullet back on. Blanks can be purchased through ammunition manufacturers or can be handmade. The only way to tell a live round from a dummy round is by either the rattle it makes because of the bb inside, the drilled hole in the side, or the hole left because they left the primer off of it. Who ever made the dummy round may have used all the identification methods or just one. Hope that helped you understand how to identify the difference.
@@girlinvt 100% a problem for blank / live too look like one other . I get that movie 🎬 industries needs a blank bullets too look like real bullets. This is why blank / live rounds shouldn't get mixed-up. 2nd problem is safety checks ✔️ a person who fire's and a weapon specialist should be checking weapons/ gun / bullets 🙄 before firing 🔥? Only way to stop a shotting in the future. 3rd problem a kid actor could get shot ! So harder rules are needed in the future for action movies and other movie screens with weapons.
her shock is fake. she ASKED for the live ammo. has done it on other sets. at least now she won't be able to handle firearms anymore as a convicted felon.
@skrittle555 to little to late but at least nobody else will be her victim of negligence, she will never get hired again in that industry... hopefully
She's clearly got a lot of struggles in life, like her rich lifestyle living in Hollywood, or her nose septum which symbolizes how rough her anxiety and parent's house rules are too much for her to bear.
I was thinking the same thing. Even when Alec Baldwin was interviewed. I thought this is either their deliberate 'strategy' to make their subject comfortable and open up, or otherwise this is unacceptable.
0 stress, 0 accountability, 0 emotions, 0 responsibility... Even the way she sits is uncomfortable to watch! She's responsible for the death of human being and she just sits like she's having a casual conversation with a friend about whatever. This whole case stinks for miles! It looks like a freaking setup!
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is guilty due to ignorance. You personally check the guns and ammo, keep them with you for handoff to the actor. There is no one else to blame here.
The supplier's business had multiple live rounds matching the ones on set. The question is how it was missed. These were not manufactured but reloaded by some one in the chain of suppliers.
She couldn't tell the difference between a real bullet and a fake one?!! No way she saw that slug and thought "OK". I bet she never shot a real round in her life.
The gross negligence of that entire film crew is astounding. I'm not blaming this on any one individual yet, like others like to. The family deserves to know what happened! Even hiring her was negligent!
She was the only person willing to work for the wages they were offering. Armorer Seth Kenney (owner of the shop that supplied the guns and ammo for Rust) apparently turned down the job because they weren’t paying enough. Bottom line is you get what you pay for.
wow that is pretty wild, a live round that is marked by a company that does not make live rounds. That means the only two options; 1. someone sabotaged that round. 2. someone who works for that team collects the casings on set, takes them home, and reloads them into live rounds then somehow mixed one in.
You forgot three, the armorer that provided the rounds to her that also did not get her job as she was lower cost, the guy she is sueing for providing the live rounds, news didn't tell you that part
@@gurnblanston3210 Give it a break bud, justice is the aim here, not hanging Baldwin because you don't like the guy. Hell, neither do I but that's not the damn point!
@@gurnblanston3210 are you slow? There was an armorer hired for the production. If anyone was responsible for firearm safety, regarding live rounds, it would be that person. Any actor who is on set, and given a firearm for a scene, is likely under the impression that the armorer has done their job and provided them with what is little more than a prop gun.
During the interrogation she was talking about the markings on the ammo on set and casually mentioned "LC" which is the headstamp for the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. There's more to this that I hope doesn't get swept under the rug.
Should she not be the one in hot water, not Alec Baldwin? I dont really understand how that all would work with shooting a movie and props etc. But if she is suppose to be in charge off all the guns on set, should this not fall onto her? I feel so bad for the families that are going through this.
@@aimlessdrive8723 I am basing it off of everything I have read actually. The news has been covering more of what is going on with Baldwin and the victims than what actually happened there that day. Was simply asking a question because I do not understand why she has not been charged, but Baldwin could be facing charges was all, so please take you assumptions of me else where.
@@gurnblanston3210 thank you, honestly didnt understand how the laws work in that state and it being a movie shoot so was just trying to get a better understanding, but yes even if it's called a "prop gun" its still a gun.
How can live ammo get mixed-up with blank bullets 😔 that's impossible ?Someone had to buy live and bullets than mixes them up in one ammo boxes 📦 🙃? Too many questions. It's clear that people were shotting live and blank bullets on the movie. This is down too safety checks and bad ammo safety. whole movie industry needs harder law's.
I want to see the rest of this part of the interview. This is the only clip I have seen with this camera angle. This one clip suggests that the dummy rounds and the live rounds look identical. The detective also says they have several suspected live rounds. What do the suspected live rounds sound like when you shake them? I believe the suspected live rounds will be disassembled by the FBI. Does anyone know how to find the rest of this part of the interview?
Dummy and live rounds appear the same in appearance except for the hole in the dummy casing. When you shake a dummy it rattles from a bb inside, live rounds do not rattle.
After following this story it appears that there are different types of dummies. Those with no primers, those with dented primers, and those with primers that may not be real but look real for when they are put in a gun belt or in a scene where they might be visible. I also know about the hole in the side but apparently not all dummies have a hole which means they can be only detected by the rattle. Hannah says she loaded four dummies from her pocket with no primers. The other two came from a new box of dummies that arrived on set that morning and she shook both of them and they rattled. I don't know what the detective and Hannah are looking at when they spoke of "the silver" on the suspected live rounds. Do the suspected live rounds rattle?
"What do the suspected live rounds sound like when you shake them?" Depending on the type of powder and the amount of powder used, it is possible to hear the powder moving in the cartridge when shaken. It is not the same sound that a BB makes in the same cartridge that is empty. A cartridge with a small amount of smokeless powder, a real primer, a BB and a cast lead bullet may make a sound that could be confused with a dummy round, especially if the armorer was unfamiliar with the new box of dummy rounds with no hole in them.
@@Treviso100 you just explained blank rounds that explode just have no projectile. Dummy rounds do not discharge. Dummy rounds appear like normal ammunition... know your rounds before you assume you do. Brandon Lee died on the set of the Crow. He died by a blank round (the type you mentioned with a crimped tip) when the explosion pressure dislodged and discharged a squib round lodged in the barrel. Learn the differences 😉
Even if there was live ammo mixed in, she’s literally the person who is supposed to double check. Jensen Ackles stated in his interview that on previous sets (most likely Supernatural, but he didn’t specify), the armorer would shake each individual dummy in front of him before loading the gun so Jensen could hear the BBs and be assured that it was a dummy.
My observation is that this girl is everything that is anti NRA, hunting, and guns in general. Yet her career is to manage guns. Next time, they need to hire a farm boy who is far from woke and all about safety.
Mixed in or not it is your JOB to check each one! They are EASILY identifiable! She didn't check them, and/or doesn't even know how to tell the difference. 🤦
Clear Adventure, correct firearm safety protocol is when handed a firearm, the user is supposed to check it before using it. By law, the person that has possession of a firearm, is responsible for what happens when it's fired. Armorer Hannah Reed wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened. The unloaded gun and the sealed box of ammo was brought to the set, and she was sent away to arrange props to be filmed later that day. Gun, and sealed ammo box, sat on a nearby table for near two hours BEFORE Alec Baldwin called for an unscheduled rehearsal that resulted in Halyna Hutchins death.
It would appear to me, that somebody that works at the company that manufactures prop ammo, was cranking out live rounds for personal use, and got them mixed up with an order that shipped to the prop house. OR, somebody at the prop house did the same - took spent casings, and reloaded them for personal use. If crew members wanted to "play" with the guns offset, there's plenty of places to buy live ammo from locally. But these being the exact same casings as those used for the dummy rounds, either it was an accident, or it wasn't. Before getting this job, she probably didn't know any of the crew from Adam, so if this was an intentional killing, she doesn't have much of a motive.
Such a powerful and intelligent comment. Late breaking news from Nogoddamnwayville, “Either it was an accident, or it wasn’t……” No shit, Sherlock. That’s more than enough evidence to crack this case wide the fuck open!!!!! Good thing I’m going to sleep now because had I read that as I was starting my day, I’d have no choice but to call out. Too much stupid to start ANY Monday with. Just delete all of your social media accounts because you add 100% of absolutely fucking nothing.
Thank you for this well thought out comment. So sad I have to scroll this far those find anything of substance. This issue is very interesting indeed! I think your first theory is most likely. I don't think it would be easy to uncrimp a blank and reuse it after it's been made? Or it was purposeful and a young armorer is the perfect patsy.
Thanks for the comments. Of course, my theories only explain one way for live rounds to end up on set, but it does NOT explain how they ended up in the firearm, and the fact that Baldwin still pulled the trigger without clearing the firearm first - the actual shooting still falls on him. I have a friend that's an actress, and has been in the business since the early '80's: she's handled everything from handguns to machineguns, to LAW's many times on set (and did recently, on a tv series), and even she has gone through firearms training courtesy of the various production companies involved, as well as refresher classes. Of course, that procedure varies by production company and budget: some do it - along with sending the cast to a range, others rely on armorers to teach the basics. In this case, it appears Baldwin went with the latter route, probably because of the fact that he HAS handled firearms several times in his career. But again, he was the LAST person to handle the firearm, and he failed to clear it first.
This won't get solved unless they figure out where the live rounds came from. Either everyone is keeping their mouths shut or it was sabatoge and one person brought them in without any one knowing. I find it curious that she seems to have a hard time telling the difference between a live round and one that is not. I would she would know right away which was which.
@@gurnblanston3210 everything because of how things are set up in the movie buissness the actors are not allowed to handle the ammunition in any way so checking and ammunition is all handled by the armorer and props master by movie buissness standards and rulings the liability falls on the props master/armorer Baldwin was simply doing as instructed although I donot beleive his story of how the gun went off I think he may have been holding the trigger for the scene and if it's a light trigger he may have had enough pressure on the trigger to slip the notching on the hammer
@@gurnblanston3210 as a respectful gun owner I respect everything you have said and as a gun owner my self I would naturaly check the gun my self if you ask me my personal opinion multiple people are to blame for the incident and yes movie business laws are not above societal laws the issue here is how movie setups are regulated what I was trying to explain is actors are not supposed to check me personally I would check regardless mind you he was filming a scene where they wanted the gun pointing at the camera I donot beleive his I didnt pull the trigger simply because I know guns dont just shoot them selves well atleast mine have not as of yet and I'm not proclaiming his innocence either accidents happen due to negligence but in this case there is negligence across the board starting from production across the inexperienced armor even to the way the scene was shot it all seems verry amature safety protocols were cut by every one in this specific case I donot think the blame falls on one person if a boss puts a hit on a man and the hit is followed through and paid by multiple people is every one not prosecuted and just the shooter
@@gurnblanston3210 negligence with an atf regulated item resulting in death the reason I believe thos would stick is because as the armorer she is being paid to distribute and regulate the ammunition on scene that being said props guns why they call them that is beyond me concidering they fire very real bullets are handled by the props master wich btw being classed as a real gun are also regulated by the atf
In other videos people are saying that she was shooting live rounds in the prop guns. I’m assuming maybe she just forgot to take out those live rounds and then the horrible accident happened.
@@pearlrival3124 I never made an assumption. You’re making an assumption that I made an assumption. I was simply stating what other people were saying. People who were on set. That’s what they witnessed, that she was firing live rounds from the prop guns.
@@pearlrival3124 Well regardless of what people are saying, that poor woman was shot and killed and someone needs to be held accountable for it. Somebody placed real bullets in those guns. Now, Alec Baldwin did in fact tweet out that he wondered what it would be like to kill another human being. And then lo and behold he kills another human being. I don’t put anything past these globalist lifists anymore. My question would be, did he in fact pay someone to put those bullets in that gun so that he can fulfill his sick fantasy? I personally would not doubt that. People who are elitist love to do things in front of the whole world and get away with it.
Her reaction to finding out the company she gets her ammo from doesn’t make live rounds reminds me of when I was a kid getting caught in a lie by my parents. She feigns shock and pretends like she had no idea. “WhAt? nO wAy, tHaTs iNsAnE”
@@DevJB absolutely her fault, but I’d also place some of the blame on whoever hired her. I don’t care if she learned from her “best in the business” father, two minutes of hearing her speak should give anyone cause to end the interview. Even the worst judge of character should recognize hear utter incompetence.
@@DevJB 100% guilty? Because of mannerisms? Are mannerisms fact? Mannerisms are not fact. Are emotions evidence? Emotions are not evidence. How a person feels/acts about a situation is not concrete evidence to prove who is guilty or not. What substantial hardcore evidence do you have to prove her to be 100% guilty? Were you on set, did you know which firearm she used? Do you know if she intentionally put in a live round? You do not. Emotions/mannerisms are not evidence in a case.
@@Zybezane I didn't say Mannerisms are fact and emotion is evidence. I was giving my opinion about my observation of her interview. I deleted the comments though so nobody else takes me out of context, sorry man.
@@DevJB I was just trying to say that you implied she is 100% guilty because of her mannerisms. You cannot do this in court of law. Imagine how many more innocent people could be locked up if humans went by how someone acts vs looking at concrete evidence.
@@GrizzlyTank WRONG. The company that provided the ammo, doesn't make any ammo. They get the ammo from ammo production companies. Armorer Hannah Reed wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened. By law, the person that has possession of the firearm, is responsible for what happens when it's fired, PUTZ.
anyone know if theres a video showing the live round actually going off? I understand may not be suitable for youtube but if you guys find it somewhere else PLEASE LMK!
She is the one who is responsible for the lady's death .It was her Job and responsibility to make sure there were no bullets that could kill anyone before it was allowed on a movie set.She should be the one getting charged not Alec
One I notice is that Baldwin has his finger on the trigger when he draws the gun. He says he never pulled the trigger but when you draw the gun that quickly I can see the possibility of accidently firing a gun with a light trigger.
Sounds like she hand loaded some live rounds so she could shoot with baldwin. Security approached them and she quickly packed up placing a live round with the dummy rounds. She was nowhere near qualified for that job.
There is something off about her. When they first arrested her or had her sit in the back of a police car she asked immediately if she needed a lawyer. Something in my gut says all all roads lead to her. If somebody else slipped that round then there could be a fingerprint on it. It’s pretty difficult to mix up a blank round with one that has a lead at the end of it
No really that’s abunch of hoolyweird bs If You’ve fired a round the oils from your fingers gets burnt off the cartridge. Unless the round hasn’t been fired.
@@KOAnonymously John Bond, a scientist with the Northamptonshire Police and fellow at the University of Leicester, both in the UK, has discovered that fired bullet casings can reveal fingerprints. And it is the high temperatures they reach that make it possible.Aug 29, 2008
the 550 page pdf file shows that at least 6 more live 45 long colt rounds were found besides the live round in the gun. some of the evidence descriptions are kinda vague, it looks like a lot more live rounds were found.
Her father was a movie armorer for decades, and I would imagine he has his own loader (reuses spent cartridges with fresh bullet, gunpowder, and igniter). Would this explain how a dummy bullet made by a manufacturer that does not make live ammo turned into a live round?
Well, clearly that young girl shouldn’t have load the gun with real bullets😳 and, ALEC (2 mistakes): 1. Had to ‘check/ inspect’ the gun and 2. NOT to PULL the Trigger!!!
No mistake about it. That girl knew she had no live ammo on set. Someone added them to the mix, and Alec purposefully didn't you see his 40yrs of experience that day.
To those young or inexperienced, who may try to find apologies for her and saying the production company made her or prevented her for doing this or that; please learn and understand ASAP, that is not how things work in life. The buck stops with her. She is the captain of her ship and a good captain understand NOT to let ANYONE interfere with HIS/HER responsibility. IF the production company went around her back and subsequently she did not protest or quit in protest, then the resulting problems are still her responsibility. That is how things work in life. People who hold responsibilities can never unload their responsibilities to their getting wrong orders from their superiors of even having been outright set up by their superiors. So the lesson here is (and please accept this, because this is how it works in real life): if you have a position of responsibility, then be prepared to stand up and fight for it or quit! That is what ALL professions do! She was clearly weak and amateurish if she let others go over her head and let other interfere with her responsibilities. Otherwise prepare to make the same mistakes as her and accept the same consequences.
So you have armor experience?? I was an armor in the army.. Bullets are never inside of an armory. Only empty weapons. They are in separate locations for a reason. Oh, also. You get the weapons from one person and bullets from another. It's not an armors job to load the weapon, or do anything else besides check them in, and out. Unless this lady loaded the weapon, put it into alec's hand, and told him to point it at the director and pull the trigger... Its not her fault! Even if things unfolded that way it would still be his dumbass fault!
@@jacobdonaldson436 First and foremost, thank you for your service. On another note, since you have brought up your experience, please consider how do your experience as armorer in the army and responsibilities do NOT relate to the responsibilities of an armorer on a movie set. Therefore, while your reasoning may make sense in your trade, it may be entirely irrelevant on a movie set. Secondly, my original post was mainly aimed at the concept that responsibilities do exist, they are assigned and that those who these responsibilities are assigned to are needing to take and accept those responsibilities. I trust you do not you disagree with the concept. But then again why or on what basis did you feel necessary to interject your objections? Or was that perhaps a bit too fast after all? There was a great post here by someone, who has worked as part of the team in similar situations. He correctly pointed out that the lives of EVERYONE on set are in the hands of the armorer. EVERYONE at EVERY moment does trust that all those weapons on the set are going work exactly as planned. You should familiarize yourself with how things and responsibilities work on the movies. In my younger years, I have worked on movies for a number of years as a photographer. Although never on a movie where scenes with firearms in the movie were present.
@mrtopcat2 Actually, if anything, your statement is the one that sounds wildly young, naive and inexperienced- and frankly sounds like you've never been put in any high-stress work environment or had any kind of real responsibility put on you. When the stakes get high, and employees are pushed to their limits (low wages, lack of sleep, long hours, etc.) the accountability and responsibility is collectively shared among everybody involved in the project. There's been countless historical examples proving this- the Chernobyl disaster is by far the most notorious- and this is precisely the reason certain industries unionize. The film industry is notorious for exploiting and pressuring people who aren't big enough fish to defend themselves and their rights against the influence that the exposure to a big film star, music star, production, or movie might bring. Sure, I'd bet her inexperience and general complacency contributed to this accident, so she's not innocent... but to absolve the production, the producers, the director, or whomever else was a decision maker on this project from their crimes is outlandish and completely shortsighted. It's actually hilarious and ironic you use the line "the buck stops with her" since that phrase is literally used to imply that there's nobody else up the food chain to counteract or correct her decision making. Think before you speak bud.
She seems totally un-phased about this, almost cavalier. I got the impression from the police body Cameras that she was disinterested and could not care less about what had just happened. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was the one who loaded the gun before handing it to the director.
6 rounds in that revolver is BAD practice. Only 5 rounds are supposed to be loaded because the firing pin is on the hammer. The hammer can't be safely dropped because the firing pin will rest on the primer of the round.
@@GirlFriday68 P. S. I just happen to own that exact same weapon. I know how it functions No way it fires without pulling the trigger unless it is damaged. I've never tried it but, maybe with 6 rounds, it could. Any armor worth their salt would know to only load 5 rounds.
Unless the gun has a safety wich most semiautomatic revolvers these days do so long as the safety is set the hammer cannot rest or activate the firing pin
@@michaelgagnon97 that gun was a Pietta, italian made Colt clone and is a single action revolver. Semiautomatic revolvers don’t exist, I don’t know what you are talking about. Revolvers are either single action or double action
Blank rounds have the end of the brass case crimped to hold the powder in. Live rounds have a lead bullet stuffed in the end of the case so there is a VERY obvious difference between the 2 so if its got a lead bullet sticking out of the end of the case its a LIVE round. They are really easy to tell apart so there should be no mistakes. That, and there is absolutely NO WAY there should be live rounds anywhere near the set. She is obviously way too casual about onsite safety. There has to be a primer in both blank and live rounds because the powder can leak out of the case otherwise.
Safety redundancy with guns in a movie set is a must. The armorer is not qualified to handle guns, should be as liable as the person that pulls the trigger. Any person that uses a gun at any situation must to know how to properly use it and be liable for ANY results of pulling the trigger. Get ready, this event seems to have lots of garbage under the rug!
It’s difficult to mix up live rounds with blanks and not see the difference…the fault is the armourers. Even if there where live rounds on set the armourer should have made absolutely sure there where no live rounds in the weapon. Pleading ignorance isn’t a reasonable defence. Even if someone for whatever reason was trying to sabotage the movie the armourer, as the last person to handle the weapon, should have made absolutely sure. I’m not saying she was aware of the fact there was a live round in the weapon…I’m saying she’s totally incompetent and should be charged with man slaughter at the very least. I find it hard to believe she didn’t know there where live rounds on set what with it being common knowledge that people were shooting at cans to relieve boredom. Safety violations are a deliberate act. If you’re unaware of the safety precautions then you shouldn’t be there in the first place. Her stupidity and incompetence have left a family destroyed.
Exactly she needs to be held responsible for her idiocy. It almost seems like she wanted to do this... I mean, she almost did the SAME exact thing before on a Nick Cage movie! How incompetent can you be!!??
@@BigSmoke-bu6ib I agree 100% to be clear. It's not excusable no matter what. But my point is that people think there is a huge visual difference - like between a normal round and a blank - but that's not the case. They are movie props. Meant to look nearly identical for the screen. And that is WHY you can't have rinky dink wanna be armorers around. They need to be above reproach. They need to be BETTER than normal firearm experts because ultimately you're asking the actors to do things with lethal devices that no sane firearm user would ever do (outside of police/military conflict anyway.) You shouldn't have real live projectile ammunition in the same zip code let alone the same jeans pocket!
@@gurnblanston3210 It's really about her trying to appear more conservative or should I say "normal" looking instead of looking like a pink haired SJW. Like a gangbanger who appears in court wearing a borrowed suit and tie. But you are correct it has nothing to do with the actual shooting accident.
Oh dang it looks like it turns out that somebody freaking modified the freaking bullet to make it so it was a killing machine rather than just a dummy round.
more than guilty, she did it on purpose to get Halyna killed. I suspected it from the start, and every time new video comes out something corroborates my suspicion.
@@andrewlawrence6357 Had you known about set protocol for an armorer you would laugh at yourself. She is responsible for all weapons.. Period. She handed off a gun without checking it.. She never called out live fire on set.. The last movie she was hired for she acted the same way?... Baldwin is guilty of running a shabby movie production company. Also make sure to ask for a raise from the armorers defense team.. You sound like you could use a fresh box of tide pods to chew on.
@@producergoldtone8467 really? That's funny because the #1 rule of gun safety is to treat all guns as if they are loaded! The fact that baldwin did not, and didnt even know how to handle the most basic of a single action pistol speaks volumes! 1 you have to cock the hammer and 2 there is absolutely no way for that particular firearm to go off without his finger on the trigger! He hammer dropped it! Your insults are childlike and amusing!
Doesn’t seem most of you get the point ….the bullet was a blank someone made into a real bullet …that company doesn’t make real ammo …so if you saw a label you would say “that’s a blank “ because of a logo …
She is unbelievably laid back about this deadly situation
@@leenieledejo6849 this was her second time with the detectives as she has her lawyer with her, the first time she had no lawyer . Recheck this video, she has changed her hair color. When the incident happened she had blue and yellow hair . She told the detectives she changed her hair color due to death threats . So yes , she lawyered up once it was revealed there was a fatality , but I do like your fairness
@@lindsaywright9295 Ok, thanks. Sorry. I'm up to date now!
Agree
She looks, acts & sounds like some high school kid more interested in her cell phone than anything else going on around her. Not a professional.
Xanax 100% explains everything she should of been tested she was showing all the signs of being high on some kind of powerful benzoate Xanax would explain her laid back nature to a very serious job as well as her speech and particularly her lazy involuntary body movements .
That girl has no business being an armorer.
She’s not one in fact.
Exactly, women operating machinery is not safe, well, most women, am I still in trouble? Let me know.
@@banjopeteshe was, for this production, and her incompetence got someone killed.
I know 2 pro 3 gunners that also their father is a world class cowboy shooter so my personal experience having competed against them they know what they are doing
She is not armorer anymore.
She's an ARMORER and doesn't KNOW what live rounds look like??
That's just not even believable! In fact, that's a bold faced LIE! Especially if she learned from her dad. I know he knew the difference in ammo. I also know SHE knows the difference. EVERY armorer knows. It's their JOB to know! BS!
It's because, it's sabotage. If you and I could tell surely someone who is the daughter of a legendary armorer that repeats making the same dummy ammo all day will too. Security and set managers left the storage area accessible to anyone.
@@coreym162 In the interview she acted as though she didn't know the difference. Plus it's her job to recheck the cylinder and the rounds in front of the individual that's going to handle the prop and then hand it to them directly. That's the on set safety protocol.
@@coreym162 i’m 90% sure it was sabotage for whatever reason. But potential sabotage is just another good reason to always ALWAYS! Thoroughly check a firearm before it’s handed to someone else.🚀✨🚀✨🚀
You give this idiotic femoid far too much credit. I actually believe she didn’t know since she said in this interview she doesn’t even have a ccw.
The whole point of the armorer is to prevent sabotage or mishaps. Seems to be flying past all of your heads.
The casual demeanor when clearly not recollecting enough information is crazy.
@@gurnblanston3210 What does your question even have to do with my comment? The video is about her, not him.
Tik toc generation
@@gurnblanston3210 seriously? He's an actor trusting the protocol. You don't have to like him but to state he shoots people is wildly biased. It's her fucking job to hand him a proper and secure gun!
The only people more irresponsible and unprofessional than this teen are the ones who hired her. And that includes Mr Baldwin as a producer.
@@gurnblanston3210 Bro its suppose to be fake round, EVERY movie that has a gun in it "Ignores the four basic rules of firearm safety" Are you joking me lol.
It takes a person with experience to stand up to someone like Alec. People probably tried to override Hannah. The production staff and try to do things their way. There were people who brought live ammo and that was when Hannah should have gotten those people fired and removed from set.
But no one was going to listen to her with her inexperience. I think other people were shooting live ammo during breaks and it got mixed up with the dummy rounds. There should have been a separate propmaster and the production also didn’t have adequate completion insurance. Had this been a well funded project Halyna should have been able to remote operate the camera had she needed a shot that close. Production was trying to save costs all around.
Alec was also dumb to be posturing with a gun that he hadn’t checked himself. The AD also called cold gun when it wasn’t cold. More than one person should be held responsible. Halyna didn’t need to be in that position she was in the wrong place in the wrong time with no workplace protections.
@@gurnblanston3210 is a troll, ignore him
No, Baldwin had creative input - not hiring, firing, nor production operations.
@@gurnblanston3210 There is no reason to crash a car, leap off a building or set someone on fire - but they do it in movies regularly. Get a clue.
I am surprised she was hired by a company in the first place.
Her dad is supposedly great at what he does (as armorer), so that’s probably why. No one should e hired her!!!!
@@melissagriffin9611 Thell making excuses now for his daughter who was responsible for the live round loaded prop gun.
Nepotism baby
The armorer was more interested in her phone than anything else during on set questioning. These are the caliber (no pun intended) of people companies hire now days to be responsible for positions in which a single error or lapse of judgment can result in loss of life or serious injury.
I agree. This ADDICTION to cell phones has burnt the brains of young people. People used to be aware of their surroundings (our ancestors very lives depended on it). Nowadays people seem to live a sort of half-life in cyber space most of the time. Im really glad i didnt grow up with those things.
It's nepotism. There are plenty of people better than her to do this kind of thing but her family is in the business
She was definitely low caliber. Like a .22. Maybe even a derringer round.
Hollywood has moved productions to other states to save money - one way money is saved is that many states require NO credentials for safety personnel like this 'armorer.' Read the statistics on how many crew are injured and even killed in these other states. It's needless.
“You mean I was supposed to actually do the work my job required?” That’s not right.
@@gurnblanston3210 The weapons master on the set should be responsible for verifying all prop guns and ammo are safe. Someone didn’t do the work required.
@@gurnblanston3210 We’ll see, eventually. I’m guessing that Baldwin won’t be held accountable, but the weapons master will be.
@@gurnblanston3210 No one, including Alec, has been charged with anything yet. We’ll have to wait and see if anyone ever will be. By the way, I’m not a fan of Alec, or trump’s. I don’t have a horse in this race.
🤔good point 👌😂
@@gurnblanston3210 Ridiculous claim.
How in the world is this person responsible for handling any firearms🤯
Nepotism.
@@jeffmalm9708 agreed that’s the only way this would make sense
Yes he is absolutely the responsible one for this tragic event. Still can’t comprehend how this could have even happened. Mind boggling
Her dad is a leading armorer in Hollywood. So, if he says his daughter can do it, most people will believe him and act accordingly. Like the other guy said, nepotism.
@@gurnblanston3210 SNL derangement syndrome
WTF was she doing in charge of anything. Sounds like she didn't know what was going on in this movie set.
Well it's obvious from watching other interviews that David Halls ( first assistant director ) didn't know what was going on, and Alec Baldwin ( producer ) didn't know what was going on. This was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Kath Davies, armorer Hannah Reed wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened, PUTZ.
Her dad is a famous armorer for movies. So nepotism
@@sergeantmasson3669 But she was in charge of the armory? Kate's comment is valid. Yours however makes you kinda look like 'PUTZ' lol 🥴
50 years of affirmative action programs. Country is awash in this.
Wow she has zero concept of fire arms and ammunition and how they work ! Completely incompetent she needs to be held accountable 100%.
nope, she knows perfectly well, she's just lying. She obviously modified some rounds when the prop supplier denied her request for live rounds. It'll all come out in the wash.
Yea dude her reaction is painfully obvious she knows damn well she made those bullets live
"I'm pretty sure it was like, kinda midway" WHAT? None of those words are acceptable when handling firearms. She is incompetent.
ThT was my immediate thought and I’m not a gun guy.
@@gurnblanston3210 Well, let’s see……. Like nobody would be dead if she hadn’t loaded the gun with a live round? Duh?? Hello! McFly!
@@gurnblanston3210 Obviously it does cause it did. And any armorer who says “I’m PRETTY sure it was “KINDA MIDWAY “ has no business handling guns for anyone. Tell me you would approve anyone who would say that. If you do, you have no business handling guns yourself.
@@gurnblanston3210 In your business, the guns are assumed to be loaded. In movie making the guns are assumed to be loaded with blanks unless you have an inept armorer. Big azz difference.
@@gurnblanston3210 He was told to do that by the director. I accept you apology in advance.
This is the person that’s responsible and she should be charged…and anyone who allowed her to be the armorer.
It depends on why she was hired, if she had a certification in firearms safety then the person who hired her isn't responsible, if she had no certification of any kind then yes the hirer would to be to blame as well.
She is culpable, no doubt, but the ultimate responsibility of any gun belongs to the person holding the gun. Every gun safety class teaches this. I wonder if Baldwin would have checked the gun if the scene called for him to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger. If my own mother handed me a gun and said it was cold I would check it anyway. It’s not rocket science. It’s common sense and it’s gun safety 101.
@@donnanelson9181 wrong, it is the armorers fault, it is not the actors responsibility to check a weapon that he doesn't know how to check
@@voluntarism335 you are wrong and this will come out the the trial. And, he does know how to check it. Watch all his interviews and police questioning. He is familiar with guns. According to him he’s handled guns on movie sets for decades. He also skipped the gun safety class prior to filming that day bc he was too busy taking phone calls with his family. And even if he didn’t know how to check the gun, which he does, that does not negate his responsibility. Take a gun safety course and you will know that you are incorrect.
@@voluntarism335 he's not ever supposed to aim the weapon at a person so he is also to blame. There are multiple layers to safety and multiple people, including the armorer and Baldwin, broke a combination of several safety protocols they are all well aware of.
When this first happened, I saw a prop man on television show how to verify a "cold gun". The last step was to pull the trigger 7 times to ensure that every round was struck by the firing pin. Evidently the armorer's father did not teach her anything.
She was sent off set before they decided to have a rehearsal. Also, Baldwin told his assistant to go grab a gun off the cart, and not bother to call her back to test, and hand out the gun. Should not the assistant or Baldwin have test fired the gun if he wasn't going to call the Armour back?
Since all ammo must be purchased from a licensed prop house, as well as the guns. Theres a definite issue of how it got on set. Also the OSHA investigation and determination was a willful and deliberately negligent ignoring of industry standards, protocols and laws by the production company and producers. The determination was over 11 pages long and sited numerous instances of deliberate ignoring of laws regarding notification to OSHA of near misses, such as the 2 accidental discharges, and the small explosive device that went off by accident. It also details Reed asking for training days for Baldwin, other actors and stunt doubles before and after the weapon discharges but was refused that time. It also states that Reed was hired/contracted for 8 days as an armorer and when the time was up she let them know that they still had guns in use nearly every day of scheduled filming and that she should be on site and present during filming, they refused to increase her armorer days, in fact they stated that she spent to much time on her armorer duties and not enough time as a prop assistant to the prop master. They also apparently sent text messages or emails pressuring Reed not to notify anyone about the accidental discharges. The OSHA report is very damning and will definitely be a key piece of evidence in any court case...
Very interesting insight. Many thanks for sharing!
How can live and blank ammo get mixed-up? impossible ?... if someone fire's a gun 🔫 they know not mixed-up live / blank bullets . Too many questions now . Someone had to be shotting live ammo on this movie 🎬. 2nd problem it's a 18th century revolver too get live ammo you have buy it from a licensed shop . Whole movie industry needs harder law's? All idiots 🙄 could be a kid next time ⏲️
@@joyhouse4625 Ok for clarity blank rounds do not have an actual projectile/lead bullet but they have gun powder and do fire. They are crimped at the top and are shorter than a normal round. A dummy round and a live round look like each other, in fact a dummy round is made from either a live round they took apart and removed the powder and primer from, or that they literally took an used (meaning already fired casing) brass that they drilled a hole in the side, leaving the gun powder out of and adding a bb where the gun powder would have been and reattached a projectile/bullet.There by making that round inoperable and safe. Dummy rounds are handmade from either a spent used casing/ brass, from a brand new brass/casing, or taking a live round that was dismantled and remade. They place a BB in side the empty casing/brass, drill a hole in the casing or they leave the primer out of it, the primer is either an inert used one or its left off completely leaving a hole where it should be, then they press a bullet back on. Blanks can be purchased through ammunition manufacturers or can be handmade. The only way to tell a live round from a dummy round is by either the rattle it makes because of the bb inside, the drilled hole in the side, or the hole left because they left the primer off of it. Who ever made the dummy round may have used all the identification methods or just one. Hope that helped you understand how to identify the difference.
@@girlinvt 100% a problem for blank / live too look like one other . I get that movie 🎬 industries needs a blank bullets too look like real bullets. This is why blank / live rounds shouldn't get mixed-up. 2nd problem is safety checks ✔️ a person who fire's and a weapon specialist should be checking weapons/ gun / bullets 🙄 before firing 🔥? Only way to stop a shotting in the future. 3rd problem a kid actor could get shot ! So harder rules are needed in the future for action movies and other movie screens with weapons.
When a firearm is involved there's no such thing as accidental or an accident. It is negligence or intentional
Shes uncomfortably calm
Arrogant…a sense that she is untouchable…
Yeah… and as an “Armorer” you are supposed to check each and EVERY round that is going to be inserted into a firearm… which she didn’t (obviously)
That girl knows something
Yet, not enough, it would seem.
her shock is fake. she ASKED for the live ammo. has done it on other sets. at least now she won't be able to handle firearms anymore as a convicted felon.
@skrittle555 to little to late but at least nobody else will be her victim of negligence, she will never get hired again in that industry... hopefully
She just seems so not in command of her own surroundings and person. If she's not a drug user I'd be extremely surprised
Complete airhead!
she's totally sober she's just on a ton of pills for her anxiety
@@derekgray1633 🤣 🤣 🤣
She's clearly got a lot of struggles in life, like her rich lifestyle living in Hollywood, or her nose septum which symbolizes how rough her anxiety and parent's house rules are too much for her to bear.
I'm a nurse and I was thinking that too. Maybe not illegal drugs but she's on some meds that is making her flat effect and out of it.
Both the armorer and the female cop spoke like 13 year old children. The U.S. is in serious trouble.
Funny you say that. I was thinking the exact same thing. Quota hiring at its finest. Unbelievable
Equaltity
I was thinking the same thing. Even when Alec Baldwin was interviewed. I thought this is either their deliberate 'strategy' to make their subject comfortable and open up, or otherwise this is unacceptable.
Take your meds.
I agree if this goes before a jury I don't know. She talked like a Valley girl. Doesn't appear professional.
0 stress, 0 accountability, 0 emotions, 0 responsibility... Even the way she sits is uncomfortable to watch! She's responsible for the death of human being and she just sits like she's having a casual conversation with a friend about whatever.
This whole case stinks for miles! It looks like a freaking setup!
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is guilty due to ignorance. You personally check the guns and ammo, keep them with you for handoff to the actor. There is no one else to blame here.
"like, O M G. like, how, like, did this happen. like its unfair. like, is it the patriarchy? like, wow dude wtf."
🤣
:dyes hair back to a normal shade asap:
Lol! This was a hilarious comment. 😄
The supplier's business had multiple live rounds matching the ones on set. The question is how it was missed. These were not manufactured but reloaded by some one in the chain of suppliers.
She couldn't tell the difference between a real bullet and a fake one?!! No way she saw that slug and thought "OK". I bet she never shot a real round in her life.
She grew up with a father who is a longtime armorer. She’s playing dumb. She shoot’s all the time.
Wow her casual behavior alone is disturbing on top of her inexperience.
Her first remarks were 'That's my career over.'
She brought the live rounds onto the set. I hope she’s charged along with Baldwin. Such an irresponsible young adult. 😢
The gross negligence of that entire film crew is astounding. I'm not blaming this on any one individual yet, like others like to. The family deserves to know what happened! Even hiring her was negligent!
She was the only person willing to work for the wages they were offering. Armorer Seth Kenney (owner of the shop that supplied the guns and ammo for Rust) apparently turned down the job because they weren’t paying enough. Bottom line is you get what you pay for.
“Diversity hire”
@@MultiPetercool sounds like they got a good deal
@@MultiPetercool my words exactly! “You get what you pay for” 🚀✨🚀✨🚀
@@AAAskeet I think she was hired because her dad was a big shot armorer for other films
The live rounds showed up on set because she was firing the guns for fun between filming. Period.
If you notice, when Alex draws the gun in the video, he has his finger on the trigger.
She’s so nonchalant despite a person dying from a gun she handled
if the company doesn't produce live rounds that means the live rounds found were custom loaded seems like murder to me.
Since it was rehearsal, my question is why ANY rounds, blank, dummy, or otherwise, were in the gun.
Exactly, who made those custom bullets? That's the key.
1st A.D. at fault as well.
But who were they targeting? I wonder how they would know who would be in his line of sight
wow that is pretty wild, a live round that is marked by a company that does not make live rounds. That means the only two options;
1. someone sabotaged that round.
2. someone who works for that team collects the casings on set, takes them home, and reloads them into live rounds then somehow mixed one in.
You forgot three, the armorer that provided the rounds to her that also did not get her job as she was lower cost, the guy she is sueing for providing the live rounds, news didn't tell you that part
@@gurnblanston3210 Give it a break bud, justice is the aim here, not hanging Baldwin because you don't like the guy. Hell, neither do I but that's not the damn point!
@@gurnblanston3210 are you slow? There was an armorer hired for the production. If anyone was responsible for firearm safety, regarding live rounds, it would be that person. Any actor who is on set, and given a firearm for a scene, is likely under the impression that the armorer has done their job and provided them with what is little more than a prop gun.
@@gurnblanston3210 Those are 3 rules, you said there were 4. At least now we can be sure at least 2 people are not suited to be armorers.
During the interrogation she was talking about the markings on the ammo on set and casually mentioned "LC" which is the headstamp for the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. There's more to this that I hope doesn't get swept under the rug.
I don't even want to write what im thinking. 🤔
Should she not be the one in hot water, not Alec Baldwin?
I dont really understand how that all would work with shooting a movie and props etc. But if she is suppose to be in charge off all the guns on set, should this not fall onto her?
I feel so bad for the families that are going through this.
@@aimlessdrive8723 I am basing it off of everything I have read actually. The news has been covering more of what is going on with Baldwin and the victims than what actually happened there that day.
Was simply asking a question because I do not understand why she has not been charged, but Baldwin could be facing charges was all, so please take you assumptions of me else where.
@@gurnblanston3210 thank you, honestly didnt understand how the laws work in that state and it being a movie shoot so was just trying to get a better understanding, but yes even if it's called a "prop gun" its still a gun.
Why was she hired for this job in the first place? Clearly inexperienced...
EqUaLiTy…..
How can live ammo get mixed-up with blank bullets 😔 that's impossible ?Someone had to buy live and bullets than mixes them up in one ammo boxes 📦 🙃? Too many questions. It's clear that people were shotting live and blank bullets on the movie. This is down too safety checks and bad ammo safety. whole movie industry needs harder law's.
Her father is a noted Armorer in the Hollywood movie scene and she got the position based solely on that.
Most likely because she was cheap and available.
She shouldn’t work ever in film
I want to see the rest of this part of the interview. This is the only clip I have seen with this camera angle. This one clip suggests that the dummy rounds and the live rounds look identical. The detective also says they have several suspected live rounds. What do the suspected live rounds sound like when you shake them? I believe the suspected live rounds will be disassembled by the FBI. Does anyone know how to find the rest of this part of the interview?
Dummy and live rounds appear the same in appearance except for the hole in the dummy casing.
When you shake a dummy it rattles from a bb inside, live rounds do not rattle.
After following this story it appears that there are different types of dummies. Those with no primers, those with dented primers, and those with primers that may not be real but look real for when they are put in a gun belt or in a scene where they might be visible. I also know about the hole in the side but apparently not all dummies have a hole which means they can be only detected by the rattle. Hannah says she loaded four dummies from her pocket with no primers. The other two came from a new box of dummies that arrived on set that morning and she shook both of them and they rattled. I don't know what the detective and Hannah are looking at when they spoke of "the silver" on the suspected live rounds. Do the suspected live rounds rattle?
One thing that could of happened someone been shooting live bullets on this movie 🎬
"What do the suspected live rounds sound like when you shake them?"
Depending on the type of powder and the amount of powder used, it is possible to hear the powder moving in the cartridge when shaken. It is not the same sound that a BB makes in the same cartridge that is empty.
A cartridge with a small amount of smokeless powder, a real primer, a BB and a cast lead bullet may make a sound that could be confused with a dummy round, especially if the armorer was unfamiliar with the new box of dummy rounds with no hole in them.
@@Treviso100 you just explained blank rounds that explode just have no projectile.
Dummy rounds do not discharge.
Dummy rounds appear like normal ammunition... know your rounds before you assume you do.
Brandon Lee died on the set of the Crow. He died by a blank round (the type you mentioned with a crimped tip) when the explosion pressure dislodged and discharged a squib round lodged in the barrel.
Learn the differences 😉
Even if there was live ammo mixed in, she’s literally the person who is supposed to double check. Jensen Ackles stated in his interview that on previous sets (most likely Supernatural, but he didn’t specify), the armorer would shake each individual dummy in front of him before loading the gun so Jensen could hear the BBs and be assured that it was a dummy.
She seems quite laid back about it all. No worries and getting comfy. Hope she gets sued into bankruptcy.
She likely makes less than $100k. But she’ll never work as an armorer again.
My observation is that this girl is everything that is anti NRA, hunting, and guns in general. Yet her career is to manage guns. Next time, they need to hire a farm boy who is far from woke and all about safety.
Mixed in or not it is your JOB to check each one! They are EASILY identifiable! She didn't check them, and/or doesn't even know how to tell the difference. 🤦
Clear Adventure, correct firearm safety protocol is when handed a firearm, the user is supposed to check it before using it. By law, the person that has possession of a firearm, is responsible for what happens when it's fired. Armorer Hannah Reed wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened. The unloaded gun and the sealed box of ammo was brought to the set, and she was sent away to arrange props to be filmed later that day. Gun, and sealed ammo box, sat on a nearby table for near two hours BEFORE Alec Baldwin called for an unscheduled rehearsal that resulted in Halyna Hutchins death.
I don’t think this movie will ever be seen.
Didn’t I hear that crew were shooting guns for fun on the set?
It would appear to me, that somebody that works at the company that manufactures prop ammo, was cranking out live rounds for personal use, and got them mixed up with an order that shipped to the prop house.
OR, somebody at the prop house did the same - took spent casings, and reloaded them for personal use.
If crew members wanted to "play" with the guns offset, there's plenty of places to buy live ammo from locally. But these being the exact same casings as those used for the dummy rounds, either it was an accident, or it wasn't.
Before getting this job, she probably didn't know any of the crew from Adam, so if this was an intentional killing, she doesn't have much of a motive.
I think your second theory, that a crew member modified some of the cartridges, is vastly more likely.
Such a powerful and intelligent comment. Late breaking news from Nogoddamnwayville, “Either it was an accident, or it wasn’t……” No shit, Sherlock. That’s more than enough evidence to crack this case wide the fuck open!!!!! Good thing I’m going to sleep now because had I read that as I was starting my day, I’d have no choice but to call out. Too much stupid to start ANY Monday with. Just delete all of your social media accounts because you add 100% of absolutely fucking nothing.
Thank you for this well thought out comment. So sad I have to scroll this far those find anything of substance.
This issue is very interesting indeed! I think your first theory is most likely. I don't think it would be easy to uncrimp a blank and reuse it after it's been made? Or it was purposeful and a young armorer is the perfect patsy.
Thanks for the comments.
Of course, my theories only explain one way for live rounds to end up on set, but it does NOT explain how they ended up in the firearm, and the fact that Baldwin still pulled the trigger without clearing the firearm first - the actual shooting still falls on him.
I have a friend that's an actress, and has been in the business since the early '80's: she's handled everything from handguns to machineguns, to LAW's many times on set (and did recently, on a tv series), and even she has gone through firearms training courtesy of the various production companies involved, as well as refresher classes. Of course, that procedure varies by production company and budget: some do it - along with sending the cast to a range, others rely on armorers to teach the basics.
In this case, it appears Baldwin went with the latter route, probably because of the fact that he HAS handled firearms several times in his career. But again, he was the LAST person to handle the firearm, and he failed to clear it first.
Bullshit. She irresponsibly brought live rounds to the set. She fired live rounds out of guns used as prop guns. She is an idiot child.
This won't get solved unless they figure out where the live rounds came from. Either everyone is keeping their mouths shut or it was sabatoge and one person brought them in without any one knowing. I find it curious that she seems to have a hard time telling the difference between a live round and one that is not. I would she would know right away which was which.
How would live rounds get mixed slipped passed the armorer in the first place
@@gurnblanston3210 everything because of how things are set up in the movie buissness the actors are not allowed to handle the ammunition in any way so checking and ammunition is all handled by the armorer and props master by movie buissness standards and rulings the liability falls on the props master/armorer Baldwin was simply doing as instructed although I donot beleive his story of how the gun went off I think he may have been holding the trigger for the scene and if it's a light trigger he may have had enough pressure on the trigger to slip the notching on the hammer
@@gurnblanston3210 as a respectful gun owner I respect everything you have said and as a gun owner my self I would naturaly check the gun my self if you ask me my personal opinion multiple people are to blame for the incident and yes movie business laws are not above societal laws the issue here is how movie setups are regulated what I was trying to explain is actors are not supposed to check me personally I would check regardless mind you he was filming a scene where they wanted the gun pointing at the camera I donot beleive his I didnt pull the trigger simply because I know guns dont just shoot them selves well atleast mine have not as of yet and I'm not proclaiming his innocence either accidents happen due to negligence but in this case there is negligence across the board starting from production across the inexperienced armor even to the way the scene was shot it all seems verry amature safety protocols were cut by every one in this specific case I donot think the blame falls on one person if a boss puts a hit on a man and the hit is followed through and paid by multiple people is every one not prosecuted and just the shooter
@@gurnblanston3210 negligence with an atf regulated item resulting in death the reason I believe thos would stick is because as the armorer she is being paid to distribute and regulate the ammunition on scene that being said props guns why they call them that is beyond me concidering they fire very real bullets are handled by the props master wich btw being classed as a real gun are also regulated by the atf
The focus should be on “how did this freak get hired in the first place?”
She's so relaxed like someone hurt their back!
In other videos people are saying that she was shooting live rounds in the prop guns. I’m assuming maybe she just forgot to take out those live rounds and then the horrible accident happened.
wrong assumption. Neither her nor Alec was target practicing on set. At the same time that lack of firearms training was part of the problem here.
@@pearlrival3124 I never made an assumption. You’re making an assumption that I made an assumption. I was simply stating what other people were saying. People who were on set. That’s what they witnessed, that she was firing live rounds from the prop guns.
@@samuelplacensia9979 No one. former or current employee made that accusation to the police. Hearsay changes rather quickly when one is under oath.
@@pearlrival3124 Well regardless of what people are saying, that poor woman was shot and killed and someone needs to be held accountable for it. Somebody placed real bullets in those guns. Now, Alec Baldwin did in fact tweet out that he wondered what it would be like to kill another human being. And then lo and behold he kills another human being. I don’t put anything past these globalist lifists anymore. My question would be, did he in fact pay someone to put those bullets in that gun so that he can fulfill his sick fantasy? I personally would not doubt that. People who are elitist love to do things in front of the whole world and get away with it.
@@samuelplacensia9979 you are insane. its scary that people such as yourself arent locked up.
Her reaction to finding out the company she gets her ammo from doesn’t make live rounds reminds me of when I was a kid getting caught in a lie by my parents. She feigns shock and pretends like she had no idea.
“WhAt? nO wAy, tHaTs iNsAnE”
@@DevJB absolutely her fault, but I’d also place some of the blame on whoever hired her. I don’t care if she learned from her “best in the business” father, two minutes of hearing her speak should give anyone cause to end the interview. Even the worst judge of character should recognize hear utter incompetence.
@@DevJB 100% guilty? Because of mannerisms? Are mannerisms fact? Mannerisms are not fact. Are emotions evidence? Emotions are not evidence. How a person feels/acts about a situation is not concrete evidence to prove who is guilty or not. What substantial hardcore evidence do you have to prove her to be 100% guilty? Were you on set, did you know which firearm she used? Do you know if she intentionally put in a live round? You do not. Emotions/mannerisms are not evidence in a case.
@@Zybezane I didn't say Mannerisms are fact and emotion is evidence. I was giving my opinion about my observation of her interview. I deleted the comments though so nobody else takes me out of context, sorry man.
@@DevJB I was just trying to say that you implied she is 100% guilty because of her mannerisms. You cannot do this in court of law. Imagine how many more innocent people could be locked up if humans went by how someone acts vs looking at concrete evidence.
@@GrizzlyTank WRONG. The company that provided the ammo, doesn't make any ammo. They get the ammo from ammo production companies. Armorer Hannah Reed wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened. By law, the person that has possession of the firearm, is responsible for what happens when it's fired, PUTZ.
anyone know if theres a video showing the live round actually going off? I understand may not be suitable for youtube but if you guys find it somewhere else PLEASE LMK!
I cannot believe how LITTLE this child knows about firearms.
She is the one who is responsible for the lady's death .It was her Job and responsibility to make sure there were no bullets that could kill anyone before it was allowed on a movie set.She should be the one getting charged not Alec
This and other interviews demonstrate she was quite cavalier with the guns.
One I notice is that Baldwin has his finger on the trigger when he draws the gun. He says he never pulled the trigger but when you draw the gun that quickly I can see the possibility of accidently firing a gun with a light trigger.
You have to pull the hammer back and pull the trigger. He likely pulled the hammer back slightly and released it, causing the gun to fire.
holy crap her not knowing what distinguished the live and dummy rounds...was insane to her her admit,, she even knew how bad it sounded....
Sounds like she hand loaded some live rounds so she could shoot with baldwin. Security approached them and she quickly packed up placing a live round with the dummy rounds. She was nowhere near qualified for that job.
So Alec Baldwin was kept safe in properly produced movies for 40 years, but once he became a producer he didn’t budget for weapon safety at all.
all relaxed and laid-back...this folks need to go to jail
She literally said earlier in the interviews that they were looking forward to "shooting" at the end of the work day. She's a liar.
There is something off about her. When they first arrested her or had her sit in the back of a police car she asked immediately if she needed a lawyer. Something in my gut says all all roads lead to her. If somebody else slipped that round then there could be a fingerprint on it. It’s pretty difficult to mix up a blank round with one that has a lead at the end of it
No really that’s abunch of hoolyweird bs If You’ve fired a round the oils from your fingers gets burnt off the cartridge. Unless the round hasn’t been fired.
@@KOAnonymously John Bond, a scientist with the Northamptonshire Police and fellow at the University of Leicester, both in the UK, has discovered that fired bullet casings can reveal fingerprints. And it is the high temperatures they reach that make it possible.Aug 29, 2008
Right?! She seemed more inconvenienced than anything..
U do have a right for a lawyer no matter what people have gone to jail when not guilty
Lmao. You are in the back of a cop car. It makes sense she asks I'd she needs a lawyer. Wtf.
Perfect example of not hiring based on qualifications but based on sex or race.
Also nepotism her dad is a top hollywood armorer apparently she didnt learn shit from her old man.
She was hired based simply on the fact that her dad is an industry leading armourer.
Reports days after said crew would often take pot shots after work hours
the 550 page pdf file shows that at least 6 more live 45 long colt rounds were found besides the live round in the gun. some of the evidence descriptions are kinda vague, it looks like a lot more live rounds were found.
Her father was a movie armorer for decades, and I would imagine he has his own loader (reuses spent cartridges with fresh bullet, gunpowder, and igniter). Would this explain how a dummy bullet made by a manufacturer that does not make live ammo turned into a live round?
I'm afraid this may be true because they found like 7 live rounds on the set.
no. he does reload, but its not an option for saving on cost. additionally, her father shoots she doesnt.
Well, clearly that young girl shouldn’t have load the gun with real bullets😳 and, ALEC (2 mistakes): 1. Had to ‘check/ inspect’ the gun and 2. NOT to PULL the Trigger!!!
No mistake about it. That girl knew she had no live ammo on set. Someone added them to the mix, and Alec purposefully didn't you see his 40yrs of experience that day.
As an armorer she should know more about guns than detectives, not the other way around.
22 yearold with no formal training! there should be no room on a professional movie set for this type of negligence!
She did it simple as
To those young or inexperienced, who may try to find apologies for her and saying the production company made her or prevented her for doing this or that; please learn and understand ASAP, that is not how things work in life.
The buck stops with her. She is the captain of her ship and a good captain understand NOT to let ANYONE interfere with HIS/HER responsibility.
IF the production company went around her back and subsequently she did not protest or quit in protest, then the resulting problems are still her responsibility.
That is how things work in life. People who hold responsibilities can never unload their responsibilities to their getting wrong orders from their superiors of even having been outright set up by their superiors.
So the lesson here is (and please accept this, because this is how it works in real life): if you have a position of responsibility, then be prepared to stand up and fight for it or quit! That is what ALL professions do! She was clearly weak and amateurish if she let others go over her head and let other interfere with her responsibilities.
Otherwise prepare to make the same mistakes as her and accept the same consequences.
So you have armor experience?? I was an armor in the army.. Bullets are never inside of an armory. Only empty weapons. They are in separate locations for a reason. Oh, also. You get the weapons from one person and bullets from another. It's not an armors job to load the weapon, or do anything else besides check them in, and out. Unless this lady loaded the weapon, put it into alec's hand, and told him to point it at the director and pull the trigger... Its not her fault! Even if things unfolded that way it would still be his dumbass fault!
@@jacobdonaldson436 First and foremost, thank you for your service.
On another note, since you have brought up your experience, please consider how do your experience as armorer in the army and responsibilities do NOT relate to the responsibilities of an armorer on a movie set. Therefore, while your reasoning may make sense in your trade, it may be entirely irrelevant on a movie set.
Secondly, my original post was mainly aimed at the concept that responsibilities do exist, they are assigned and that those who these responsibilities are assigned to are needing to take and accept those responsibilities. I trust you do not you disagree with the concept. But then again why or on what basis did you feel necessary to interject your objections? Or was that perhaps a bit too fast after all?
There was a great post here by someone, who has worked as part of the team in similar situations. He correctly pointed out that the lives of EVERYONE on set are in the hands of the armorer. EVERYONE at EVERY moment does trust that all those weapons on the set are going work exactly as planned. You should familiarize yourself with how things and responsibilities work on the movies. In my younger years, I have worked on movies for a number of years as a photographer. Although never on a movie where scenes with firearms in the movie were present.
She's not a member of a union otherwise I assume she would had complained to the union.
Shup, DAD!
@mrtopcat2 Actually, if anything, your statement is the one that sounds wildly young, naive and inexperienced- and frankly sounds like you've never been put in any high-stress work environment or had any kind of real responsibility put on you.
When the stakes get high, and employees are pushed to their limits (low wages, lack of sleep, long hours, etc.) the accountability and responsibility is collectively shared among everybody involved in the project. There's been countless historical examples proving this- the Chernobyl disaster is by far the most notorious- and this is precisely the reason certain industries unionize.
The film industry is notorious for exploiting and pressuring people who aren't big enough fish to defend themselves and their rights against the influence that the exposure to a big film star, music star, production, or movie might bring. Sure, I'd bet her inexperience and general complacency contributed to this accident, so she's not innocent... but to absolve the production, the producers, the director, or whomever else was a decision maker on this project from their crimes is outlandish and completely shortsighted. It's actually hilarious and ironic you use the line "the buck stops with her" since that phrase is literally used to imply that there's nobody else up the food chain to counteract or correct her decision making. Think before you speak bud.
3 words... Lack Of Accountability.
were they live factory loads or someones live reloads to fire off at lunch time
Halyna Hutchins was sacrificed. rest in peace beautiful soul.
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Someone is lying 🤥
She seems totally un-phased about this, almost cavalier. I got the impression from the police body Cameras that she was disinterested and could not care less about what had just happened.
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was the one who loaded the gun before handing it to the director.
sounds to me like she just figured there is no way any rounds were live rounds and barely checked anything.
Hannah is going to prison! reckless , dangerous human being
She can't even cook or make a sandwich and they put her in charge of firearms. Please
I read something shortly after the shooting that some cast members were doing target practice with live rounds the night before.
As I recall, she was following in the steps of her father, who also did this job and helped her get into the field.
Here’s your dummy
6 rounds in that revolver is BAD practice.
Only 5 rounds are supposed to be loaded because the firing pin is on the hammer.
The hammer can't be safely dropped because the firing pin will rest on the primer of the round.
as you can see from this interview, and the others on YT of her. .she had no idea what she was doing, and a strange over confidence.. bad mixture
@@GirlFriday68 P. S. I just happen to own that exact same weapon. I know how it functions
No way it fires without pulling the trigger unless it is damaged. I've never tried it but, maybe with 6 rounds, it could. Any armor worth their salt would know to only load 5 rounds.
Unless the gun has a safety wich most semiautomatic revolvers these days do so long as the safety is set the hammer cannot rest or activate the firing pin
@@michaelgagnon97 that gun was a Pietta, italian made Colt clone and is a single action revolver. Semiautomatic revolvers don’t exist, I don’t know what you are talking about. Revolvers are either single action or double action
@@paolocardinali3951 Just an FYI, semi automatic revolvers do exist.
Blank rounds have the end of the brass case crimped to hold the powder in. Live rounds have a lead bullet stuffed in the end of the case so there is a VERY obvious difference between the 2 so if its got a lead bullet sticking out of the end of the case its a LIVE round. They are really easy to tell apart so there should be no mistakes. That, and there is absolutely NO WAY there should be live rounds anywhere near the set. She is obviously way too casual about onsite safety. There has to be a primer in both blank and live rounds because the powder can leak out of the case otherwise.
Safety redundancy with guns in a movie set is a must. The armorer is not qualified to handle guns, should be as liable as the person that pulls the trigger. Any person that uses a gun at any situation must to know how to properly use it and be liable for ANY results of pulling the trigger.
Get ready, this event seems to have lots of garbage under the rug!
*_Because Hannah mixed them.._*
It’s difficult to mix up live rounds with blanks and not see the difference…the fault is the armourers.
Even if there where live rounds on set the armourer should have made absolutely sure there where no live rounds in the weapon.
Pleading ignorance isn’t a reasonable defence.
Even if someone for whatever reason was trying to sabotage the movie the armourer, as the last person to handle the weapon, should have made absolutely sure.
I’m not saying she was aware of the fact there was a live round in the weapon…I’m saying she’s totally incompetent and should be charged with man slaughter at the very least.
I find it hard to believe she didn’t know there where live rounds on set what with it being common knowledge that people were shooting at cans to relieve boredom.
Safety violations are a deliberate act.
If you’re unaware of the safety precautions then you shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Her stupidity and incompetence have left a family destroyed.
Exactly she needs to be held responsible for her idiocy. It almost seems like she wanted to do this... I mean, she almost did the SAME exact thing before on a Nick Cage movie! How incompetent can you be!!??
This is what happens when you hire a gun bashing liberal to be in charge of guns.
Keep in mind. Blanks and Dummy Rounds are NOT the same thing. A cinematic dummy round looks virtually identical to a live round, intentionally.
@@bradley3549 so she just had some extra live rounds leftover in the cupholder? Why were they even on the set in the first place?
@@BigSmoke-bu6ib I agree 100% to be clear. It's not excusable no matter what. But my point is that people think there is a huge visual difference - like between a normal round and a blank - but that's not the case. They are movie props. Meant to look nearly identical for the screen.
And that is WHY you can't have rinky dink wanna be armorers around. They need to be above reproach. They need to be BETTER than normal firearm experts because ultimately you're asking the actors to do things with lethal devices that no sane firearm user would ever do (outside of police/military conflict anyway.) You shouldn't have real live projectile ammunition in the same zip code let alone the same jeans pocket!
I like the look on her lawyers face, like 'WTF"
WHY IS LIVE ROUNDS ON SET that sound be the ONLY question & investigation!!! This was her only job & she FAILED
She has taken a dramatically more conservative approach to her wardrobe and personal presentation since the day of the shooting. Interesting.
Yes, very interesting indeed.
Big Time! She used to be a Nutty multi-colored hair person
@@gurnblanston3210 It's really about her trying to appear more conservative or should I say "normal" looking instead of looking like a pink haired SJW. Like a gangbanger who appears in court wearing a borrowed suit and tie. But you are correct it has nothing to do with the actual shooting accident.
If she showed up to the set I'd be like, "No, seriously. Where's the man who's in charge of the guns?"
Amen!! No way with that look and hair
Live round or not...there wasn't supposed to be a gun fired at that time so what gives? Did Alec Lied about firing the damn thing?
Oh dang it looks like it turns out that somebody freaking modified the freaking bullet to make it so it was a killing machine rather than just a dummy round.
She is guilty 1000%. I'm guessing she modified the bullet. There is lots of evidence as to her being careless and breaking protocol on set.
She doesn't appear to have that knowledge perhaps she's playing dumb but..she clearly doesn't know what she's doing.
more than guilty, she did it on purpose to get Halyna killed. I suspected it from the start, and every time new video comes out something corroborates my suspicion.
@Producer Gold Tone baldwins guilty!
@@andrewlawrence6357 Had you known about set protocol for an armorer you would laugh at yourself. She is responsible for all weapons.. Period. She handed off a gun without checking it.. She never called out live fire on set.. The last movie she was hired for she acted the same way?... Baldwin is guilty of running a shabby movie production company. Also make sure to ask for a raise from the armorers defense team.. You sound like you could use a fresh box of tide pods to chew on.
@@producergoldtone8467 really? That's funny because the #1 rule of gun safety is to treat all guns as if they are loaded! The fact that baldwin did not, and didnt even know how to handle the most basic of a single action pistol speaks volumes! 1 you have to cock the hammer and 2 there is absolutely no way for that particular firearm to go off without his finger on the trigger! He hammer dropped it! Your insults are childlike and amusing!
she seems so observant and conscientious...who wouldn't want such a keen-eyed professional being in charge of bang bangs?
What are hannah gutierrez-reed's specific armorer qualifications?
Where did she verifiably receive her training?
Now we know the live round came from Hannah’s home , it was learned in the trial , Hannah dad sent photo to her of box with live rounds .
This accident is her fault!
she obviously is a genius and an inspiration to women
"This company doesn't produce live rounds." "So WTF. That's insane." Her Lawyer: "WOW!" That's why he gets paid the big bucks.
Doesn’t seem most of you get the point ….the bullet was a blank someone made into a real bullet …that company doesn’t make real ammo …so if you saw a label you would say “that’s a blank “ because of a logo …
No it wasn't a blank, it was a dummy round, big difference.