The New Most Powerful LP GPU In The World?
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I see if the RX 6400 is the new king low profile graphics card for old office PC upgrades.
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The efficiency on that RX 6400 is just amazing. It matched the GTX 1650 with almost half the TDP. For me it won.
yeah, but it runs about 15-20 degrees hotter.
@@TechOrigami because AMD clocked the balls of it
@@yahyasajid5113 Hmmm and the test bench in video is in the open. Put it in a small form factor case and see it melt.
The 1650 launched three years ago and on architecture from 2018 lol. This AMD card barely squeezes out a few extra frames
@@TechOrigami That's just because that particular Cooler model was already crappy.
Other model of RX 6400 are doing just fine (The NOT Low Profile Ones) below 40 Celsius
The sapphire pulse's Rx 6400 cooler is much better than the xfx speedster version. So go for that model if you end up buying a 6400 like I did for my htpc
Sapphire AMD cards are always one of the best you can get out there
But the XFX looks soooooo cool m'an and yet it's hotter...
Could it be voltages?
Source?
@@Hk7762Tubenot the correct type of cool😂😂
GTX 1650 : 65W avg.
RX 6400: 32W avg.
The RX 6400 is very efficient.
Well yes , it's 7nm vs 12nm litography :D
it's efficent but a stretch for sure since it can't even do video encoding which is quite important nowadays
@@samihyppia8472 6nm actually
@@Piipperi800 important for what. You can do encoding on cpu as well with igpu. How many people are actually creators in the first place? Don't make fake "importance". Most people will use this card for ps emulation
@@spookyskellyskeleton609 have you actually ever done anything else on a computer other than watch youtube and porn? certianly seems like you haven't, or you just haven't owned a computer in the recent years without hardware encoding.
low profile 1650's usually are $250-300 on the ones that can be found, absolute mind boggling
@@cloudycolacorp yeah at the time when the 1650 launched i was looking for a new card, and decided on a used rx 580 over the 1650 lol. and the 580 was like £100 used in great condition so i was happy. 8gb model too!.
@@JudeTheCZcamsPoopersubscribe Right before the pandemic, you could buy them used for $50-80. I saw several 1650ti cards for around $100 new.
I got a 1660 super around launch for $230 so yeah thats ludicrous
@@RonnieMcNutt666 damn u are right. I just checked ebay. A lot of 1070 cards going for around £160 ($200). They are definitely going for cheaper right now which I'm thankful to see. Actually a little cheaper than what I bought my 1070 for in December 2019.
@@JudeTheCZcamsPoopersubscribe ye4a and new gpu coming out prices go down even more. 6600 i i am seeing for 260 which is incredible
The RX 6400 doesn't have an encoder because it was designed as a mobile chip and laptops already have an encoder built into the APU so they don't need one in the GPU.
Makes perfect sense since these are just repurposed as a desktop gpu. Thanks a lot for the info.
So? Its not a laptop card is it?
@@kidShibuya The chip designs were finalized several years ago, but then 2021 happened, and AMD was like "people want desktop GPUs, and we have these mobile chips piling up in our warehouse, let's see if we can make this work" but they can't just tack on an encoder or more PCIe lanes just because it's on a desktop card now.
@@kidShibuya it's a laptop die slapped on a desktop PCB
@@kidShibuya Yes. it is.
They can't just magically put one back onto it because they decided to sell it as a desktop part now.
The chip wasn't intended for use as a standalone desktop graphics card. It was originally intended to be pared with a AMD APU in a laptop. Hence the PCIE weirdness (the CPUs it was meant to be paired with all have PCIE 4.0) and the lack of h264 (the APU has one built in anyways so it would have been redundant).
Fun fact: RX6400 suffers from the limited bandwidth of 4 PCIE lanes when paired with PCIE3.0 systems like David you used, while biggest impacts are only seen when a game is memory intensive i.e., bandwidth becomes important, ironically, reviving a old prebuilt system is exactly what most people would use an RX6400 for and guess what, most of the time you find these systems with PCIE3.0. It simply left performance on the table, strange move from AMD really.
or worse, PCIe 2.0. I have such a system, with a Haswell based CPU. They really should have stuck to 3.0 and put an x8 or x16 lane interface on this. But they didn't, because... reasons? I don't really understand why they did that.
It's not strange, it's just cheap. These cards are cost-reduced af
@@SeeJayPlayGames Its because this chip was designed for laptop first where most lower end GPUs are connected with x4 anyways and these will be paired with pcie 4.0 CPUs.
@@OTechnology idk man because the amount of copper wire, R&D, or anything they save by doing it this way might justify the move from the cost perspective, but does it worth causing people not wanting to buy it and instead go for a used RX570 etc. because it is what entry level market is like, seen with many past generations where the newest budget card is simply not as attractive as an old used one. From this perspective, the only thing that makes RX6400 worthy of buying is just the low profile and because it's brand new
Or is it because they know this card arent supposed to be a top seller so they just dont care anyway that sounds fair to me as well lmao
The dumbest thing about this graphic card is that it is about 15% slower when using a pcie 3.0 system, which is extremely dumb because the main selling point of these types of cards is to slot into an old system. You should test again with an entry level CPU that supports pcie 4.0 and compare the difference.
yeah, gimped by design, just like the 6500xt. nah, not the new lp king definitely.
I mean, the real reason they made the card is for the enterprise sector via OEMs. selling them on their own is just a bonus.
I don't think that's true, it doesn't pack enough performance to be limited by even x4 pcie gen 3.
It would have to be x2 or x1 which I really don't think they did.
Lower pcie bandwidth does not mean performance impact across all gpus.
The 6500xt runs Into issues with pcie only sometimes because it's at the edge of needing more bandwidth, also because the memory bus is so small.
@@SaveTheSunF1R3x i’m 99% sure the 6500XT is just a repurposed laptop GPU, which explains why it has only 4 lanes instead of the usual 8 or 16 for desktop GPU’s. the 6400 might be the same deal but idk
@@raycert07 The issue is when games need more RAM than its onboard vRAM, then you will start seeing differences as it's using the pcie bus to move texture data around constantly.
I feel like this is the only appropriate use and style for the RX 6400 lol
@@youtubeisgarbage900 not really, perfect for sff pcs, not just pre-builts.
@@raycert07 what is sff
@@diablotech385 small form factor, just like this prebuilt
@@wisdoom9153 oh
And even then is bad, slower than a 1650 unless you go Pcie4.
This brings back memories of the fun college days when I could only afford an apu and later added an r7 240. So sure now that I have a job, I can have a mid-high end pc. But it still breaks my heart that low and entry level tier is dying these days. How can the community have new and young bloods if even the entry level is expensive. Not everyone would have parents/people who'll buy them stuffs.
It sucks.I remember building my first PC around 2007 and looking at several pages worth of GPU’s all under 150$.I think I settled on a nvidia 8600GT for 90$.That card was insanely good for the price and could run pretty much anything at 1080p and 60 - 90fps.
even my “entry level” system of a ryzen 5 3600, a GTX 1650 and 16GB 3200 ram was around $700 when i built it (right before the gpu prices skyrocketed). entry level is getting more and more expensive as new games come out
i still have a system with r7 240 and i3 2120
@@iustin.29 for word processing?
@@ma-bn2fj yea :/
I feel like new "entry level" should be like $200-$400, $600-$1000 is what I would consider midrange if it wasn't like the minimum for a new parts with a dgpu setup.
i recently got the sapphire version of this card; cooler design is smaller but bracket replacement was much more accessible. Used it on an optiplex 7040 running a 6th gen i7 and 8g ram; instantly turned that machine into a very competent gaming rig. temps can get a bit toasty given the SFF case, but with everything less than $300 it was a really decent starter PC for my son.
Is it pci 4?
@@Broken4forever No it's pci 3
I had exactly the same Veriton PC and hit exactly the same issues. New $45 "Peoples Republic Lethal Toy & Lawnmower Company" case with 500WPSU, a used i5 4690k and used RAM (2 x 8gb DDR3) and I got a viable "gaming" rig.
The downside of the RX 6400 is that it's handicapped by the PCIE version. So it won't perform nearly as well in older office PCs as it will in a modern mini system with 4.0.
right, but here he just tested with Ivy Bridge which is PCIe 2.0... so we're already seeing worst-case scenario... what's your point?
@@SeeJayPlayGames Ivy Bridge is PCIe 3.0, but let's not assume that bargain basement OEM motherboard is PCIe 3.0 certified.
Depends on the game. Some older games would be perfectly satisfied with 4GB VRAM, so you would not need to use system RAM so much.
@@SeeJayPlayGames 3.0
@@SeeJayPlayGames I've bridge supports 3.0 as long as this on a chipset that supports it.
Great review that shows some of the frustrations and perils of upgrading budget systems. I have a 2200G APU that I tried to upgrade using this exact GPU, to be able to play 4K movies on my TV, but screen tearing persists and the bottleneck is the CPU. So now I will have to upgrade the CPU too! GADS!!!
bro the cpu botteneck is from the fact that rx6400 didn't include any vedio decoder
@@Gentleman_Hamilton rx6400 has decoder what is lacking is encoder only
@@mikinyaa that's why it can't help play 4k movies and leave all the work up for the cpu to do
@@Gentleman_Hamilton There's other benchmarks, where someone tests this card on 4k video. And it works flawlessly. Not sure what you're talking about, honestly.
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the fact the 1650 is "low profile"
also gotta love the fact it makes about 55 more fps from 30 watts than a gt 710 would on cp2077
When he first showed the 1650 being used he commented that it is not low profile, that he didn’t have a low profile one available at time of testing
@@headhunterj3 Well, glossing over the fact that he did not have one on hand, I'd like to point out the 6400 and the 1650 directly compete because they are both low power cards with low profile configurations available, made within the last ~3 years.
Edit because forgot some words.
With the Lenovo system, make sure bit-locker(or maybe the Lenovo proprietary equivalent) isn't on. It's probably encrypting the drive or MBR.
This still pales in performance to an RTX A2000, but it's amazing that a single-slot card with such a low power draw is capable of this. It makes me doubt my purchase of a GTX 1650 for my ultra-lean SFF build.
came here to point that out as well - the A2000 is basically a SFF 3060
RTX A2000 pricepoint is nowhere near RX 6400.
@@3dr14ng4 sure, but I'm not claiming that - the video is titled "The New Most Powerful LP GPU", not the "most affordable" or" best value"
just my 2c
If you opt for PCIe 4.0 instead of PCIe 3.0 you could gain another ~13% when GPU bottlenecked. All your systems still have the PCIe 3.0 standard. The problem is that the AMD RX 6400 only has 4 PCIe Lanes and this can drag you down.
Regarding my sources: It appears CZcams does not like links in messages. So I can only hint at Techpowerup.
Yeah, they really should have given this card 8 PCIe lanes and the 6500XT should have 8 lanes as well. These low end cards were really gimped from that and also not having an encoder as well.
@@Dave-dh7rt Yes but AMD also explained that the RX 6500 and RX 6400 have been designed as dedicated Laptop cards. Thus the PCIe 4.0 x4 would be sufficient. I am not sure about the encoder.
What does 4 pcie lane has to do with anything? Sorry I don't understand any of these.
@@rrsharizam PCIe nomenclature has a version number and a lane(s) number. PCIe of version 4.0 (shorthand PCIe 4.0) is theoretically twice as fast as PCIe 3.0.
The card in this video only has 4 lanes, so you'd write it PCIe 4.0 x4. And 4 lanes (compared to the usual 16 lanes many gaming cards provide) is holding back the card. Using an older motherboard with only PCIe 3.0 would reduce the connection to the PCIe 3.0 x4 (version 3 with 4 lanes) and that reduces performance even further.
@@TanigaDanae Thanks. Anyway, I'm trying to build a PC but this is far too complicated. I guess I'll just buy from the fruit brand then
Its amazing that this is about the same performance as my long lived radeon r9 380 but draws 53 W on just the PCI power rather than 190W like my 380. crazy
Considering the TDP, might be interesting to see if you can pair it with the most power efficient CPU combo and see what you can do with low power draw maybe 200w
I have an RX 6400 and a Ryzen 5 4500 in a PC and it works very well with an old 220W PSU. The System probably only draws half of that at Load.
It’s amazing how efficient the card is.
7:35 I have the i7 3770k, and when I still had my GTX 1660 Ti and 16Gb RAM DDR3 1600, GTA5 ran perfectly. And my CPU never reached more than 50 % utilization. Must be something else that slows your computer...
I love that benchmark roundup 80s royalty free synth montage music. My favorite part of every video like this
It doesn't have an encoder because it was designed to be a laptop gpu. In a laptop the encoding is handled by the IGP so the GPU doesn't need an encoder.
it's not just laptops. Old office computers like the ones he used have it too. It's like people forgot that intel QuickSync Video has been around since 2011, baked into any half-decent processor ever since (not Celeron). Though, TBH, Handbrake does NOT like my Haswell, and simply fails to encode, but the Xbox recording interface doesn't seem to mind using it.
Yes, AMD left out VCE for their low-end... but Dawid didn't mention that QSV could still be used. That's kind of a glaring omission.
@@SeeJayPlayGames It also doesn't take into account that most people don't record their games.
Hey Dawid, I have the i5 4570 Lenovo SFF with a 1650 LP. I managed about a 15% performance boost with an undervolt - Dropped from 1V to 0.9V with +200Mhz.
I have some before / afters from benchmarks. I think it could make for an interesting video for people with low spec systems.
Maybe even get a big boost out of some of the prebuilt trash like the Acer Nitros?
yall winning the silicon lottery. I can only get +125mhz stable. regardless of voltage!!!
my memory clock also only reaches 825mhz stable. whereas most people are getting 900-1000mhz
Ive devastatingly lost the silicon lottery with my 1650 LP. zotac model.
@@mikeycrackson Yeah man. Especially on a card that’s capped at 75W via the PCI slot, or one of the E-Waste tier prebuilts that can’t cool a 125W 1660S.
@@realflow100 my 1650 d6, reaches 1785mhz @ 850mV with +150mhz on the memory, i could probably push the memory a little further but im too scared
Hi Robert, I also have a lenovo sff and I'm thinking of buying a rx6400,do you think the rx6400 would work without problems?
I’ve got a 3770 in mine with a 1060 6gb and 32gb of ram. It does everything I need it to and more. It was cool to see the 3770 featured.
I was literally 5 seconds ago looking for more info on this card, checked in my subscriptions tab and found this video lol. Thanks for the video.
The power draw and lack of PCI-E power connector is what draws interest to many with the 6400XT … if this has an encoder and dropped to $130-$140 USD I’m sure these would fly out the door
for what is a encoder needed for? :)
@@bartholomeo2075 usually for recording video, using the gpu instead of throwing all the tasks onto the cpu at once
@@boy2424 tuvm 😁
@@boy2424 if you record games with this GPU on OBS will it work good ?
Just a site note. RX 6400 only runs X4 PCIe gen 4. It´s basic a mobile GPU for desktop use. That means you need a PCIe gen 4 system to get all brandwith from it and by that the full potential. So running the card in a PCIe gen 3 system as here, you are actualy only getting what is PCIe gen 2 X8 brandwith in a Gen 3 system. In a PCIe gen 4 system you get the full PCie gen 2 X16 or gen 3 X8 speed. So you potentially losing performance running it in a old PCIe gen 2 or 3 system. Not only do to potential cpu bottleneck, but also brandwith bottleneck. I stick to my GTX 1650 LP card as it runs X16 and not X4 + i have undervoltet it a bit keeping up to 10 watt lower power consumption compared to stock voltage.
GPUs this low power and performance won't even be an issue.
If a nVidia 3090 isn't severely bottlenecked by a PCIe 2.0 16x interface, where multiple sources showed 5% average reduction in performance compared to PCIe 4.0 16x, then this low performance GPU will hardly have much difference even running at PCIe 2.0 8x speeds.
Most likely a non-issue for the 6400, it's a problem with the 6500XT as its on the edge of needing the extra bandwidth of pcie 4.0 due to the lanes and slow memory bus, the 6400 shouldn't need the extra bandwidth so most likely doesn't present the same issues.
@Christopher Tran lol, you're confused. Those tests are to PCIe 3.0 and not 2.0. And although 4.0*4 is as fast as 3.0*8 this doesn't have 8 lanes so is limited to 3.0*4 or in an even worse case 2.0*4 although dropping this in a system that old makes no sense as the cpu would bottleneck incredibly hard.
@@viet0ne a 3090 has 24gb of VRAM, not many trips over the PCIe lanes will be made there.
With "only" 4gb of VRAM to spare, memory bandwidth starts being much more important.
@@viet0ne The issue isn't bottlenecking the GPU core itself. The issue is bottlenecking the communication between the VRAM and system memory, and if the GPU has to access something in system memory, since it is used as overflow for things like textures, it will cause problems. 4 PCIe Gen3 lanes are slower than even DDR3 800. So yes, the lane limitation is a bottleneck and it's not hard to fill up 4GB of VRAM. Not to mention, you don't even need to fill it up. Some games will be problematic even when the VRAM isn't full. It becomes an even worse issue with PCIe Gen2, which there are even 4th Gen Intel systems using PCIe Gen2. Anything with an H81 chipset is limited to PCIe Gen2. So, yes... this is a big issue. And it's made even worse by the 64-bit bus bandwidth.
I'm getting my own custom built PC mainly thanks to watching your content. Got the basic components together that I might be able to get for my birthday, and if I go and work a bit, I might score an RX 6800XT GPU to go with it as well!
Well done Dawid! finally, I always wanted to know what music you use on your vids and also now I'm wiser now install a gpu for my 'gaming' itx build, my 5600g apu bit can take a rest, great content :)
Maybe try the Nvidia A2000 Mini? It's been proclaimed to have 3050/3060 performance, but I'm sure other people have already done benches with said workstation GPU's(it's hella expensive though... Planning on using that in a custom "high end" efficient SFF build down the road.)
You should do a roundup of power efficient cards.
Worth noting that the Optiplex 3000 series sff (e.g. 3050) only accept a single slot sff card, which makes the 6400 a very compelling buy
Use the iGPU for the h.264 encoding. Quick Sync would have worked wonders for you on that i5 or i7. I have used Intel-QS for a good number of the captured benchmark runs on my RX6500xt vids.
those tests with an RTX A2000 would be amazing :D
5:25 My eyes lit up immediately when you brought out that familiar beast! And I have the same SSD too! :D Damn! Too bad you had no luck with it. Here in Cro we have dudes selling these with Pentium G3220, 250-500 GB hard and 4 GB ram for as little as 35$! I bought 2 and I'm ugrading the RAM, putting an SSD inside and bumping the CPU to i3 4170 or any i5. As far as I get it, these guys somehow get them for really cheap (or free) from supermarkets that upgraded (one I bought still has the damn Win 10 install with company data and domain like wtf). Only issue I have is the GPU power. Seems that the pcie x16 is somehow limited to 30W, or something like that.. I dropped an R5 340 in it and it wouldnt run. Then I dropped a Quadro K620 and it all worked fine. Also the 240W power supply I have in them doesnt really seem too good. I'll finish the poking with an i5 4590S + Quadro K620 and 16 GB of RAM for my GF for some budget gaming and general purposes stuff. :) Great video!
ah yes that reminds me of the shithole hp forums, the plan for me was to buy a prebuilt put a 1050ti and call it a day, so i bought a prebuilt hp with i5 2400 like 8 years ago, and it worked fine now i needed a gpu so i know a bit about pcs so i asked on hp forums what kind of slot it is obviously its 16x but is it low power or full power, they said they dont know, upon asking the second time they said its limited 8x at 35w, which i found strange so i thought they might know better than me, so i removed the cpu and ram hdd and bought a 1155 mobo asus deluxe(the fucking most expensive one probably :D) and a new case, new psu and a r9 280x, and the pc worked fine till the r9 and the psu died, so 2 years later i switched the stuff back into the prebuilt chassis and mobo and said fuck it ordered a used 1050 ti and guess what it fuckin' booted on the first go. i just threw 400 dollars down the drain for nothing.
Similar with may with my first and my second pc. Theyre Pcs from the bank where my Fater works. Because they replayced them evry three years when the guarantee ran out ive got them fro free. The second one was an HP elite desk g1 with an i5 4690 and 8gb ram. And originally an Quadro NVS 315. But that thind is so bad at games i replaced it after a maybe 2 Years with an gt 1030. Was way better at gamimg. For example from about 7 Fps in 720 low inf fortnite to about 50 fps mid in 1080p.
But i still neded more than 2 gb of vram so ive built an entire new cusom pc in 2021.
@@BeastMode-4422 Wow what a horror HP story, it pains me to hear that for the for the 400$ :( I m poking with a friend's hp laptop (250 G4 I think) atm and I think that the thing is cursed or something. Strangely (extremely) long boot time and heating issues + overriding my boot order for some unknown reason.. and ofc upgradeability limited completely (there a spot for the second RAM bank on the mobo PCB, yet they didnt solder it on so the poor thing is stuck to 4 GB..
Maybe the brand and that stuff are the reason why there is a guy here locally selling a mid tower HP G1 4th gen for like 40 pounds with seemingly decent upgradeability.. it could be a trap and I wanna risk xd
@@swissix4947 I envy that :D I need to find a bank or an institution that dump something that good and hunt for LP gpu bargains. My uni only dump mid LGA 775 era hunks of junk with all the dust and weird proprietary stuff included
@@antoniobaric5798 im kinda debating if its worth springing 80 bucks for the 3770 and replacing the i5 2400, or just build a new pc with the ddr4 platform, i thought about going for ryzen since the mobos are cheaper still dunno, the i5 2400 is overdue and on its last legs performance wise :D
Old Office PCs are great for a home server build. I recently bought an HP ProDesk (£150) with an i5 9500, 8GB dual channel ram and a 256GB nvme SSD. The power supply is 12V only and has platinum efficiency. In idle the PC uses only 7W. If it needs to do work it is still a top end system.
i had that screw-under-cooler-shroud on an much older card. i removed a bit of the plastic cover to reach the screw.
I've been thinking of getting into video making myself, so thanks for pointing me over toward Epidemic Sound, Dawid.
Sounds (no pun intended) like they'd be pretty handy for royalty free music and audio effects.
RX 6400 looks like a really good option for super compact low pro desktops that barely have room for a single slot video card. I love my GTX 1650 low profile but you definitely need two slots of space. I may pick up an RX 6400 low pro to replace my Yeston RX 550 which resides in an Optiplex 3020's cramped internals. I was lucky to get my 1650 low pro for under $160 USD shipped in mid 2020 before the Butt Virus made everything disappear.
I'm not sure if you noticed, but you only need to undo the 4 outer screws on the shroud to remove it from the heat sink. The inner 4 hold the fan to the shroud. I made the same mistake. But I agree it's still stupid. And it probably hurts heat dissipation, because the bracket isn't perforated, so that end is almost completely blocked off. With the Sapphire version of the card (which has an identical PCB), they left the area by the bracket open, so swapping the low profile and full height brackets is easy.
Agreed on the lack of h.264 encoder, but there are other options than having it built into the GPU... like having it built into the CPU; AKA intel Quick Sync. I just poked around in the menus and figured out how to setup MSI Afterburner to use it. Unlike my terrible experience with using XBox Game Bar, it didn't fail to record, randomly stop recording, or produce garbled audio. It recorded fine, and stopped only when I stopped it, and there was zero palpable impact on gameplay. On AMD APUs I think you can use VCN/VCE instead. I have not tested this since I don't own one. Anyway, these technologies have been around for 10 years (and improved with successive generations). But for some reason OBS doesn't like streaming with my PC (i5-4590) with QSV. IDK. So I have not yet figured out how to make my rig stream. But I can capture gameplay video to files no problem. At up to 60fps 1080p.
I've had similar data corruption issues at work twice. Had a disk full of our company software, which takes ages to install because it's a manual process. Was switching it between my office and home PC for making it easier to work from home. But the new office pc corrupted data on it twice. It was an crappy new alienware, so not too surprising, but it's fucking annoying.
Did you manage to find out the cause, tho?
@@Kraven83 Everyone on the IT team is convinced it's the new Samsung EVO ssd (like what), but of course I have no issues on my home machine. This being at work, this isn't really in my job description to look into and so it won't be solved.
No driver CD in the box? Did somebody finally get the memo that nobody has ever used the driver CD that comes with GPUs?!?!?
Dave you really rule with your niche videos, and funny commentary. I wish you would show us how you run games from external drives not formatted through the rig you run the games from. Beast mode
Its very easy thing to do, nothing special. Anyone can do it, heck I've done it plenty of times when testing out PC's I've built so I know they can run games are specific resolution, graphic settings and FPS before being put up for sale.
This might be just what I need for the old office refurb I bought a few years ago. Not planning to play any high end games, but it would be nice to be able to play some less graphics intensive games on it.
I feel like these tests would have ran better with a computer with a newer PCIe generation.
If you have one of those why would you buy an RX 6400?
@@sammoore2242 if I'm understanding this correctly, yes I agree with you.
He should have put it in a newer pre-built with no bandwidth or CPU limitations for both GPUs
@@ExperiencersInternational but that isn't what the 6400 is supposed to be used for. It's supposed to be put in computers with low end psus.
Dawid, you are supposed to use a 6409 with pcie gen 4, I’d love to see this test on 12th gen too
What cheap sff pc has pcie4?
I doubt it can saturate a gen 3 slot. Won't make much difference if any.
thanks, I was looking for something low profile "decent". I was not very convinced with the 6400 in perfomance vs the old and trusty 1650, but price and power draw makes it a good option :P
I think the problem is the file system, are you using GPT or MBR on both drives? If you mix them sometimes they will attempt to repair each-other. I find that updating the bios to use uefi or on the newer if you enable legacy roms and just pick one or the other you shouldn’t run in to this. Hope this helps :)
Why is there no rx 6500 non xt, Amd?? If they could limit it to 70 watt, it should be possible to cool in single slot or low profile cards.
At least the GT1650 has 16 PCIe lanes, the big issue with low end AMD is the low number of PCIe lanes, which the RX6400 has only 4 PCIe lanes.
And lack of any encoding support aswell
My old Lenovo pre-built which is still sometimes use still works quite well with an i7 3770 and a gtx 640 I think
Would love to see what a similar LP setup they can make with the upcoming RDNA 3 architecture.
I remember when the most powerful graphics cards were no bigger than this back in the 90s. Now you need your own forklift to put them in.
And don't forget a permit from local home owner association. Your GPU RGB lights might polluting neighborhood aesthetic and not to mention the power draw.
@@fajaradi1223 no kidding about TDP. My 2080 Super FTW3 Ultra draws a peak 386w after overclocking. Stays around the 84°C temp target at full bore with that giant heatsink, vapor tubes and triple fans, which just means the heat gets transferred to my room and now I need a window AC unit to play more demanding titles for more than 30 minutes to stay comfy
I always keep saying we should call them video bricks at this point.
@@bubbablake3983 Yikes. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I have a dud EVGA 1080ti that can't hit 2GHz so i undervolted the shit out of it. 1923mhz at 1000mv. Even at 100% usage in a gaming load it doesn't draw more than its original 250w power target and stays at a cool 67C vertical mounted in my NR200P. All this from a true 2 slot dual fan card.
@@christianmccollough5005 my Gigabyte 1080ti OC always is at 69ish°C at desktop, I think I need a repaste. And my 2080 stays cooler than that typically, it's typically around 56-58°C gaming on most of my titles, when not trying to blow the damn thing trying to get the most out. Typically it's 49°C at desktop. The 386w was during a tuning test as well, but darn, when it wants to crank up to keep up, that's when it gets toasty. Before tuning testing I think it had to be 140ish°F on my case top and side on the vertical mount on the exterior, not the card itself. Congrats on your results too, I'm happy for you, keep it up. I just got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra that's going in my Lian LI o11 XL so wish me luck on temps and not faulty/missing thermal pads/paste
Sad thing is he still left a decent amount of performance on the table with the 6400. By not using a system with PCIe 4 he's basically kneecapping the card before it even gets a chance to do anything. Granted I know that's not the point of the build, it's to see if you can still just use an old office PC as a gaming rig, but I digress.
Though who is going to have enough money to buy a motherboard with pcie 4 but not enough to spend an extra little bit on a gpu. So most of these gpu's will land up in older systems. Which is unfortunate.
Using a system with a mediocre old CPU also didn't help. I did not understand that, he should have something modern at home to test it properly..
@@xPandamon Theres plenty of benchmarks with high end CPU's. This is a more realistic use scenario
@@jasonjenkinson2049 In a less powerful PC your CPU will generally be the bottleneck. He talked about comparing it to the 1650, which needs a better system to really make sense. But anyways, the AMD wins easily. The much lower power draw and leagues better control center make it so much more appealing
What do you use to see the FPS overlay? What app or program is it, if you don't mind?
I bought this exact card for a SFF Optiplex 7020. Processor is a 4590 and system has 12g ddr3 1600. Works great for the games I play on this machine so I am very pleased with my purchase. However, I do run the side panel off the machine and have a 200mm fan blowing right on the GPU.
What games do you play? I bought this card for my Dell OptiPlex 9020 i5-4670 3.4GHz RAM: 16GB.
@@argenisromero9266 Even though I have way more than I should have spent money on, the games I play on this machine are limited to Fortnite and Rocket League. I am an old feller, though, and I live to play Fortnite with my buddies... I would perhaps play the other games that I have, especially VR, but Fortnite is easy, and with the no build, it is just like any other shooter, except looks cartoony.. but I still love it anyway. And, as long as you leave the side cover off, and have a fan blowing on it, this card stays reasonable. I never ran it until it throttled with the side cover on... didn't wait... but then again, like i said, i am an old feller and well used to running with max fan noise and the cover off the machine. I am not Linus Tech Tips where everything has to be quiet... because that just isnt reasonable unless you leave your computer outside and you live in BC or Alaska where you might have two seconds out of the year with temperatures where you don't need to wear a snowsuit. I live in Georgia and it is hot. So the damned fans running full tilt doesn't bother me when I have my headphones on playing games. Either that or I crank the volume without headphones.
The RX6400 is a match made in heaven for SFF prebuilt with terrible PSU.
They actually have pretty good psus, just not high wattage. They don't need high wattage, it's made for offices.
Most pre-builts from even a decade ago till now have like 80+ titanium or platinum efficiency, most use atx 12vo of sorts even a decade ago.
@@raycert07 There are still some off-brand dodgy OEM out there though.
@@raycert07 I have a Dell inspiron 530 from 2007 laying around with a 450 watt psu an 80 plus titanium.
@@swissix4947 I think that psu is on its way out, 15 years old is about when the great capacitor plague was going on which affected most devices
@@raycert07 the pc is not in use since 2019 i think anyways. Ive took many parts out. The HDD sits in my new pc.
Its still nice that.they have so high ratings.
1030 on steroids?
if im not mistaken, the lack of an encoder is because this GPU silicon is salvaged from a mobile platform chip meant to also have a laptop Ryzen Cpu that would posses the encoder.
Try the i5 3570 - I've found it to be almost bulletproof! Even in 2022 I always come back to this capable little cpu, and it never lets me down.
The most powerful one is the RTX A2000, but it's too expensive
I'm seeing the prices drop on Ebay steadily. Can't wait, as I'm thinking of upgrading to one. Would be amazing to have a LP GPU with power close to a 3060, while also maintaining it's wattage usage below 70w.
Now we just need an RX 6450XT that uses a not quite RX 6500 core. Tuned just under the 75w mark. Same form factor. Beefy Noctua mini fan on top.
Or just a 6500..
The XT was suppose to indicate refresh.
@@peterpan408 I said that as a joke. But, having a 6400 with a slightly higher power limit or faster memory would be great.
3:10 i like how you added Shroud in the bottom left corner in the screen when you said shroud
Years ago I had to purchase a bunch of those same Acer and Lenovo SFF machines for a major desktop refresh. They were cheap as hell 10 years ago.
It's like people forget the RTX A2000 exists
apparently i heard that the 6500xt is consuming around 80 watts of power so simply undervolting that thing to oblivions may give a bit of a better performance than this while still being compatible with the smol low profile pc
edit: also how did you get an i7 37770 dawid??????
I could do with one of these for my old IBM office machine - cheers dude :)
To be fair you also do have the GPU outside of the system which if you have it inside and if there is also additional air for the intake you might see it be a lot lower on the temps.
a true single slot LP GPU. really the only usecase that makes some sense for this GPU
If you have more money you can pick up a Nvidia RTX A1000 (which is also LP and about as powerful as a RTX 3050
But cost way more
Some quick googling suggests the A1000 is a laptop gpu? And the desktop cards start at A2000, can you point my in the direction of a desktop A1000?
The problem with your suggestion though is you can't really buy the RTX A1000 as easily as the RX 6400.
LP graphics cards seem to always have terrible fans and cooling though - doesn't help when paired with one of those SFF PCs that have all the airflow of an 80 year-old emphysema patient.
Yes, it's like they are made to be in a system with good case cooling, but most LP cases don't have good case cooling. I have a Radeon RX 560 that worked great (relatively speaking) in a full tower case I used it in for a while with very good cooling (it was an old case, but I replaced the old broken down fans with new Noctuas when I repurposed the case). Then I put it in a low profile case after I didn't need it in the tower anymore, and it overheats. I could do something with a low profile case to improve cooling, but that's kind of a pain.
Great video. I've been waiting for this test to see how my 1650 v6 would do against the new comer. Thanks!
Now I kinda want to get one of these, swap out the paste for a liquid metal one _very carefully_ and then... put a Noctua fan on it. :P
With the generational leap in performance, it's still amazing that 1650 is competitive at its price point.
2:42 There are plenty of low-profile cards that have 3 video ports.
AMD didn't just stop corner-cutting at the PCIe lanes and the hardware encoder. They also cut down 2 out of 4 RDNA2 display pipelines from all its Navi24 GPUs. This means that all Navi24 GPUs support only 2 displays. (Radeon Pro W6400, RX 6300M, RX 6400, RX 6500 XT, and the RX 6500M).
When you consider Navi 24 is a laptop die designed to be paired with an iGPU/APU that would provide the corners cut out, it makes sense.
The 6500 XT? It is also based on Navi24 aswell
it would be awesome that you get your hands on 12400f , 12100f, rx6500xt + rx6400 for some benchmarks
Man, I just wish you had done the testing before the teardown. Hard to say whether the thermal performance was compromised by taking the cooling unit off, since it wasn't tested first
That outro music sounded great, What was it? Also, Surprised that they didn't include the encoder, though, not that surprised.
I’m gonna need you to upload more content you crazy Canadian I just can’t get enough of you
Love your passive agressive style. You Dawid got that Dat power :)
Wait, So removing the screws that hold the cooler on void your warranty? But you need to take it off to put the low pro slot on... which is most likely the only reason someone will buy this...
Will this card be sufficient for sending a quality 4k video feed to a 4k 55 inch tv, if you only want it for monitor purpose (in place of your computer monitor), and not doing any gaming?
There is actually a single slot gtx 1070, The Galax 1070 katana, but it's INCREDIBLY hard to find. I tried for a while and the only place I could find it was on ebay from australia.
Do the same comparison by overclocking the snort of of both these gpus...would love to see...which one is a better overclocker at the entry gaming range...
If your SSD keeps getting corrupted I would definitely check your power supply or maybe even switch to a different sata port on the motherboard
This content is very good 👍 thanks for this. I saw this release and even joked about doing crossfire with 2 of these because they were so cheap 😀
What bothers me most is that this is not the first time AMD did this. When they released the R7 250 (2013 era), they used the Oland chip - no video encoding, and PCIE x8. However, if you take a look at a previously released GPU - the HD 7730, using Cape Verde LE - you'll think they're identical. Except that the previous Cape Verde LE has video encoding, and uses PCIEx16.
i love the sneak shroud appeared everytime you mention shroud lmao liked and subbed
Also the GTX 1630 is coming out soon. Can't wait to see what guys like Dawid do with it!
Some of the older pre-builts just hate SSDs. My wife had an HP SFF office PC (2016, 6th-gen Intel ) that would not post with most SSDs in it. I found a PNY drive at Best Buy that it would at least boot with, but it fried that in under a month. Literally fried, like I went looking for a fire extinguisher when I smelled it and the drive no longer worked at all. It is acknowledged on an HP forum that yep, despite being a 2016 model with a PCIe gen 3x16 slot and 2 SATA ports on the motherboard, SSD was just not supported.
@@youtubeisgarbage900 Strangest thing I've ever seen, but HP admits it's in the BIOS. Except for the one PNY drive, any SSD plugged in would prevent you from even getting into the BIOS. I tested multiple Samsung, Crucial, Sandisk, i.e. every SSD I've ever owned that wasn't in use at the moment. You'd get the little HP splash screen, then the system would freeze up and not respond to any key presses.
On the HP support forum, one post suggested one specific older SSD model may have worked for some people, but nothing currently on the market. I've got 10-12 year old laptops that have never had an issue booting from SSD either, so I just chalked it up to how bad HP can be.
I wasted 5 months trying to make that POS work better, then told her I refused to support it anymore. She prefers a particular style/size of SFF, so I built her an AMD 5600g in a Silverstone mini-itx case last fall, and my quality of life has improved almost as much as her system performance.
@@youtubeisgarbage900 that's why in the world of PC repair we refer to HP as "Horrible Products." I've used two different SSDs (PNY and Klevv) with my Dell Optiplex and no issues at all.
What software do you use to see the fps, temps and more?
The best feature of the RX 6400 is that it is single slot. I have a Dell Optiplex sff that can only fit a single slot gpu in it. Right now, it has a R5 240 in it.
what software are you running to see the stats while playing?
Please do this video with a HTPC system with Gen4 PCIE! Want to see it’s performance as a living room streaming and controller-based gaming machine. Would be awesome if you could do something where you spec it out with reasonably priced, relatively modern hardware.
It actually performed better than I thought it would.
What do you use to test bench games?
Warranty void sticker on a screw that can be undone with a pair of pliers. Good job XFX, good job.