The travel disadvantage, Eastern clubs are sooking & participation medals…
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Schoey is fired up that some Victorian clubs are “resentful” that WA clubs complain about interstate travel…Spare me. The boys dive into that players and coaches survey that had some interesting findings. Plus, we preview all the games for Sir Doug Nichols round.
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Saying the WA clubs aren't at a disadvantage because they fly business class, is like handing someone a shit sandwich and saying it's fine cause it has sprinkles on it.
Good chat
😂so true
The AFL competition will always be compromised until such time the fixtures are truly equalized. Just like other codes each team should play home and away, if thats too many games then split the league into two conferences and the top 4 on each side play finals.
I don't know that I love that solution. But I'm not sure I have a better one. Totally agree about the biggest compromise to even competition is the lop-sided fixture though.
I think Hawks got 3rd most difficult fixture in football for finishing bottom 3, the AFL is a rich private school boys club that looks after their own, always has been and it always will be.
Another thing worth mentioning is the amount of times certain vic clubs play the cats in geelong (one of the hardest ventures in terms of home ground advantage interstate or not)
Games played at kardinia park since 1990 (not including 2024 season thus far)
Collingwood 3
Essendon 5
Carlton 6
Gws 7
Gold coast 8
Hawthorn 10
Richmond 15
Port Adelaide 15
North Melbourne 15
Bulldogs 16
Brisbane 18
Saints 19
Freo 19
Crom 23
West coast 24
Swans 24
Melbourn 25
How is this not more balanced ?? I know allot can be said for making money and i get that the mcg is a big ticket venue... but i feel like vic clubs should be atleast on par with all the interstate clubs , would love to hear the boys take on this.
Good & valid point. Geelong are forced by AFL contracts to play 2 home games at the MCG. Geelong also is the only team in the competition that does NOT get home finals week1-3!
We do get 9 genuine home games, non-Vic clubs get 10-11 genuine home games.
Love this podcast type content, both had great views. 🤙✨
I'm certain West Coast would have won a few more Premierships in the 1990's if it weren't for the travel disadvantage. Potentially an extra 10 overall 😊
We all know the AFL has the most compromised draw for any professional sport in the world ! It should be a lotto ball draw similar to soccer to see who plays who or each team must play equal or as close as possible interstate games. QLD and WA teams should not be required to play in Tassie or Geelong , and all interstate teams should play more games at the MCG, but we all know it's about money so don't expect any change !
In regards to not leaving Vic ,Carlton have a dream draw this season and I guarantee the Bombers will have one next season if they finish top 4 this year as the AFL want these big name clubs playing in and winning finals.
Ginbey the boy is a good size and runs in straight lines. He has a turning circle of a tractor and should't be in the middle as he lacks the finesse and nuanced body movements. He needs to be half back or wing and that's where he will do his best stuff. If that means Hough and Hunt spend time on the wing at times too, then so be it. But I think Ginbey should be given every chance to play as a wingman and learn to play offensive footy. You don't want him to become just a defensive mindset player in defence. He can always go back there in a few years. But Ginbey needs space to run in straight lines and gather speed, hit contests hard and provide extra physicality in the middle. We have so many lightweights there, that to have a wingman with a physical presence is good.
I agree I think he’s been wasted a little as a defensive inside mid
Is that a “The Boy” badge on the Rode microphone Schoey is rocking
Yeah agree with criticism of Yze, dont know how can defend the effort in a 100 point loss nearly. But yeah anyway wait our time to play North aha. Suns real threat to make finals and win one, so respect to Dimma he saw what was coming really for Tiges. 10 goal win over Cats tonight solid, big effort
Serveral options. 1. I reckon we should miss out on the Gatheround and just have the Eagles and Dockers play each other in Perth. 2. Or alternatively Eagles and Dockers play away games against Crows / Port each Gatherround as away games. Then the Eagles and Dockers each have 12 homes games in Perth (+1 away game Derby). Or 3. Eagles play Adelaide (away game) a few days before the Gatheround. starts. Then flies back to Perth. So technically not part of Gatherround, but part of the previous round delayed to be closer to Gatheround. Adelaide/Port then have the disadvantage of playing an extra Gatheround match within 5 days.but they have the advantage of playing in Adelaide anyway. Eagles and Dockers have 12 home matches in Perth and 1 away match.
Hang on, while the hub idea for multiple east coast games in the one trip is a good one, we still need to be having more games in Perth. The disruption is similar if players are having to be away from Perth for the same amount of time, surely. The argument should be why have games on the east coast in a stadium filled with 5-10k people when you can get 50k at Optus!! If the AFL is serious about revenue, surely it is a no brainer to have more games for the two WA teams in Perth….end of.
Geelong is overseas according to Victorian teams. What would they know 😅
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Yeo was a half back at Brizzy.
Will no your wrong there are two winners the premiers and then the wooden spooners get draft picks and if you are from the east priority picks etc.. if you lose in EPL you get relegated
Waterman looked a bit tuckered,I reckon with what his done just needed a rest anyway
The AFL is as patchy as Nanna's homemade quilt
What about the giants we broke the afl record for most wins in different venues last season and up to this round this season its been 9 weeks since we have played at our proper home ground
A truly epic achievement, big respect there.
By itself though, it's probably not great evidence that travelling lots is just as easy/difficult as not travelling lots (from a Sydney base). If that's an argument you're making 🤷♂️
I like the indigenous renaming too, but i'd rather the media tell us more about the meaning of there names and the back stories behind them, rather than having the players, coaches and commentators trying to perform mental gymnastics to remember which name is right for which week and which team is involved, and sound terrified if they get it wrong or forget.
the back story is that a group have said that is the translation. Then the footy club has gone for it. Is it accurate really? Eagles of the West is crazy. How accurate is the term west really? I'm cynical. I reckon it should be West Coast (aboriginal word for Eagles). Then every year choose the various tribal words for Eagles. So each of the tribal words around WA. That would make sense a bit more. The commentators could say "west coast xxxxxxx". So avoid confusion. Give the rename a bit of credibility too. Narrm is particularly ridiculous. What and where was Narm? was it a hill in the vicinity? or a brook near the yarra? or marshlands? There was nothing at Melbourne CBD before colonisation. there was no indigenous colony there. So how did anyone come up with Narrm. It makes a mockery. Perhaps Melbourne should adopt the aboriginal word for Demons. That would make far more sense.
I like the indigenous jumper, but renaming Eagles is stupid really. They maybe could call them West Coast (aborigina word for Eagle)... and then use different aboriginal words for Eagle depending on each tribe. Change it up each year. So each year a different indigenous word for Eagles is used. It would make all cultures in WA recognised. But there is so much speculation about whether names are correct. What even is Narrm. Was it a spring in the vicinity? Was it a hill in the Melbourne district? Because Melbourne didn't exist until it was colonised. So is it a brook or marshland near where central Melbourne is. I think there are far smarter ways to make a difference than renaming a footy team with a term that there is doubt over.
Omg wtf leave the game the EFF alone bloody Andrew Dillon and Laura Kane are guna finger this game. Its called a GRAND FINAL FOR REASON.
Oscar Allen should be losing weight not putting on more. Remember Bailey Williams, Jack Williams, Darling will be the big strong power forwards. Flynn should rest up forward at times. Archer Reid will become a man mountain. Really Oscar Allen should be playing a more mobile forward role. A mistake. I remember Matt Richardson in his athletic prime in mid 20s was told by Danny Frawley to bulk up a play from the goal square. It didn't work out. He lost all mobility.
As long as they keep Waterman at full forward and push Darling up the ground,
The Victorian clubs being resentful about WA teams travel perks is the football equivalent of ‘what about international men’s day…’
This is so good
Take the good with the bad, flying every second week is a disadvantage, however Victorian teams playing a majority of your games against fellow Victorian teams remove the home ground advantage, West Coast and Freo have an easier draw this year due to finishing down the bottom last year. End of the day I'm yet to see fixture or flying be the reason a team didn't qualify for the finals or win the flag, if you are good enough you will win.
Not great reasoning. A Vic team playing another Vic team in Melb does reduce home ground advantage. But it also gets rid of away ground disadvantage too so it just evens out in the end. I'm sure any interstate teams would love to play on a neutral ground most weeks if it meant they didnt have to travel to another state
I agree that it's not great reasoning - the home ground stuff evens out, and just because you can't identify a club missing for those reasons doesn't mean there aren't a few occasions where you could make a solid argument that it happened. That's one of those almost impossible to prove red herring points.
But despite that, I think you're right about taking the good with the bad anyway. There's some things that are intrinsic about a club and it's these differences that shape them.
West Coast for example have the travel factor, they have the two-team-town spotlight, they have a bit more of a pull for WA players, they play home games at Perth Stadium, have their own culture and heritage, community and business connections etc etc. However much we think these things are good or bad, they're part of the identity. If something makes competition unfair, it's okay to try and mitigate it a bit. Trying to offset the travel factor is one of these, especially because of its direct effects on competitiveness. But WA clubs should keep trying to embrace it too because it will always be there in some way.
These ideas are one of the things that got me about Sydney's COLA salary-cap allowance back in the day. Players had to live in Sydney, whatever you think about that, and that was apparently expensive... but they also got to live in Sydney, again whatever you think about that, and engage with whatever it is that makes it an expensive place to live. That's the kind of intrinsic thing that doesn't need offsetting - the place the club is actually from 😂. Coming up, I know we'll want Tassie to be an integral club, but I'm hoping that past a few initial incentives, there's not going to be much talk about offsetting its Tasmanian-ness.
@@Simmo87 Of course it's good reasoning, any decent team should win 9 plus games at home and half away. Doing that means you are probably making top 4. From there you can win the flag. But if WC or Freo say it's travel why there are mediocre/poor then they are kidding themselves. They are where they are on the ladder because they aren't very good.
@@thegoochinc5359 Well, I think you're getting to good conclusions! I was just trying to say that the reasons you gave seemed flimsy to me. Again, I agree with you here that the main reasons West Coast and Freo are where they are on the ladder is that they're not very good.
I think the main point about cross-country travel is that it has a direct impact on WA clubs competitiveness over a season, adding some difficulty being able to fulfil the finals/flag equation you mention, through fatigue etc. It's probably not a massive factor, probably a few percent, but a club could hardly be blamed for seeing if it can be minimised, no?
@@thegoochinc5359can’t recall freo or the eagles saying they are poor because of travel. Still interested to know what you think home ground advantage is…..
What that’s what we’ve called Victorian’s forever,stay over your side of the border 😜