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How To Get Any Overclock (Really) | Deep Rock Galactic Best Overclocks
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- No more waiting for Fat Boy or Special Powder (or *insert favorite OC here*).
Timestamps:
0:00 current problem with obtaining overclocks
0:57 "save scumming" explained
1:57 steam walkthrough - forge mastery
4:23 playstation walkthrough - forge mastery
6:36 promotion overclocks
7:04 four famous S-tier overclocks
10:48 ethics of save scumming
12:58 proposed solutions to improve OC system
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Wow, lots of comments! Just wanted to address some sentiments I've seen here.
"I personally did not mind the RNG grind and it kept me playing to see what I'd get next"
1) Totally fair, but we have to remember about survivorship bias - anyone who is actively watching DRG content on CZcams is already a much more dedicated player compared to the general DRG population. We have to consider all the players who found the system overwhelming and dropped the game, and would likely have never even seen this video.
2) The overclock grind has increased by ~50% since the introduction of new weapons in S1&2. An early player who wanted a specific overclock had better odds and a shorter grind to get it, even with bad luck.
3) While the mystery of RNG rewards is enticing, we should also recognize that it is a system designed to exploit human psychology and may cause addictive behavior - slot machines take this concept to the extreme (of course, DRG is far more benign and I wouldn't directly compare the two). If you're interested in learning more, I'd suggest looking into behavioral psych topics such as the Skinner box and intermittent reinforcement.
"If you can just pick and choose all the good overclocks, you'd burnout from the game quickly" - sure, I guess if you're the type of player who is only motivated by external "carrot dangling on a stick" rewards. But also, what about all the players who burned out from the game because week after week, they never got the overclocks they wanted? With the hindsight of having gone through the OC grind on two platforms, obtaining overclocks isn't really the end goal with this game. They're merely tools that help us along the journey towards personal mastery of the game and all its mechanics.
"Just save edit lol" - 1) not doable for our console friends, and 2) according to the devs themselves, save editing can cause bugs with other systems in the game: "If you have used this save game editor (or similar stuff online save editors) please do not bother reporting any bugs you encounter in the game to us! What you do with your save is your choice, but we can't (and honestly don't want to) fix it if what you did messed it up." - u/gsg_amanda www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/ysjf5n/i_made_an_online_save_editor/
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www.twitch.tv/chanceiiors - come ask if you have any questions about best overclocks or want to see them in action, or if you have questions about the technique!
^ also doing a Supporter II DLC giveaway over on there :)
Can this be done on Xbox?
Can it be done on Microsoft store?
@@therueben bra, microsoft purged their xbox file explorer and any file exploring and manipulating software on the xbox store. that’s why it’s impossible to mod any game on the xbox
You forget to rock and stone when grinding you fool
Thanks for the haz 5 achievement m8, appreciate it
Agree 100% with everything even though I personally didn't mind getting them randomly. Seeing the average playtime should have told the devs everything they need to know about increasing access to good overclocks. Sad that most people won't ever play the game at its best.
yeah i understand most of his points but i also understand making them random allows for more playtime. right now besides overclocks there's not really any rewards for grinding missions. and i can bet 90 percent of players if they got all the overclocks within a week they wouldn't play after that week. also you kind of do have some choice for overclock rewards. you get a choice of class for blanks which if you only chooses that class it makes it way easier as the system isn't complete rng as you will never get doubles. i do think the amount of overclock we get from deep dives should be increased but its fine the way it is. as i enjoyed working towards unlocking all the beers even if it took awhile. i almost never buy them for fun after they were unlocked its the same for overclocks when i have them all the game will most likely get boring.
The mentality that overclocks are just straight up bad is a horrible mentality, so discouraging to see...
@@SimonWoodburyForget Yes I absolutely love that perspective! I don't want a game where the huge achievements just go to mush that any filthy casual or normie can just do without much effort, I want it to take time and hard work.
@@lonejohnwolfit isn't hard work to get overclocks, it's a time gate. There is no difficulty in deep rock galactic that all. It's an arbitrary time gate that you cannot reasonably grind past if you want to, there is no choice but to wait several months for rng to bless you after doing easy activities weekly over and over again
@@Storse I hate that perspective. So pessimistic. You're acting like you need some specific overclock or the game won't be fun or something idiotic like that. Or maybe you just have some twisted idea that events are super rare or something, which is completely untrue.
And the only "time gate" part is that you're not allowed to just get every overclock in an unreasonably fast amount of time, and are supposed to have plenty of time to play with the overclocks you DO have, and at the same time gives you a break so you're not overworking yourself, which is also plenty of time to play other games if you're only interested in playing for the cores.
I got around HALF of the overclocks in the game BEFORE they added getting cores from promotions, and I never had a single complaint about it. I had enough choice to get every driller overclock first pretty easily as well. As a driller main it was just too easy to have fun and focus on collecting every overclock over time just for the heck of it. Now that I have them all, and only have cosmetics to get, the game feels more empty to play other than when I'm just feeling like playing specifically only for fun.
While I already have all the weapon overclocks, I’m now happy that I can make my friends lives even easier on their overclock grind which is the one annoying thing about this game
Thank you
I don't have all of them, but I got most of the ones I wanted in my 274 hours. This is making me want to pick the game back up again and get the remaining couple (rewire mod, explosive reload, etc.)
For me the one annoying thing about this game is that 90% of the active perks have literal GARBAGE keybinds... that's a way more pressing issue as it would take mere seconds to fix if they even tried.
@@lonejohnwolf what?? berzerker is power attack while it's on cooldown, medic is left click while reviving, heightened senses iron will and syih are all while you're unable to act and not very out of the way anyways, shield link and beastmaster use the interact button, and dash is just pressing the sprint key twice. Since when did hoverboots count as 90% of the active perks??
@@Brass319 Are you kidding me!?? Bruh berzerker is THE WORST EVER. I don't know about you, but I literally ALWAYS forget that my pickaxe power swing is on cooldown and waste berzerker 9 out of 10 times.
Medic is fine, heightened senses is KINDA fine, iron will is fine other than being a useless perk for anyone skilled enough to not die.
Shield link is BRAINDEAD! Try to deposit in molly? SHIELD LINK! Try to zip line? SHIELD LINK! Try to grab a crystal off the ground? SHIELD LINK! All it takes is someone standing in front of you for a SPLIT second at the wrong time, happens a lot more than you think!
Beastmaster is ok but feels a bit off. Dash is stupid because I can't start and stop sprinting whenever I want, and as a dash MAIN, I have had to rewire my brain to have an invisible 1.5 second cooldown on sprinting at all now.
Hoverboots is the LEAST of the problems. Sure it's trash because it's a hold and not a tap, and C is really stupid for it too, but come on man that's the least problematic one.
@@lonejohnwolf idk about you but I almost never have any problems with any of these, shield link especially. Maybe that's because I use it on scout in place of dash (and because scout is antisocial, tends to work better when dividing and conquering, and doesn't take ziplines). I do see your point with berserker, though I have the recharge upgrade on my pickaxe so it doesn't happen as often as it would otherwise. Plus, this only really ever happens when I'm in a fight and want to use a bunch of power attacks anyways, so it ends up helping me more than hindering me. Beastmaster is probably the worst imo but not because of the keybind, because the priority for what grunt to tame is completely wack and should prioritize slashers and guards instead.
i played deep rock for near 780 hours and yes i can agree that the OC grind is the biggest reson why most people leave the game or make people say "its repetitive" because of it. at least i am kinda happy that they made the oc grind a bit faster but not better i hope the ghost ship works on the oc grind a bit more. but gotta love 'em they are the best dev group i've ever seen.
Yeah, they should do a 1 deep dive like mission that's repeatable and rotates with the mission timer, and has an option for haz 5,5 , like regular missions but just with the deep dive style two primary missions at once, then it could give one completely random core, maybe 40% for cosmetic and 60% for weapons, and maybe a blank core every three missions,(nifty idea, maybe they could even have you set up one of those machines that then become the machine events.) that would help a lot and wouldn't negate deep dives as they're seeded runs every week for the (probably not a single soul) who try to get better times on them.
mechanics like these is what kills the interest for new players.
"Hey that OC looks cool, how do I get it"
"Pray"
How about every 3 promotions you get to choose one for that class.
Not to overpowered because infrequent, but can get the one of a handful you want.
Or maybe be able to choose from 3 overclocks to give you a better chance to get what you want but still have to play a long time to get them all
@@matthewboyd8689 That's still hours upon hours of NOT having fun just so you can "unlock" fun.
@@GameFuMaster better hours of gameplay rather than months of waiting
another thing to do if the devs really want some rng on it its adding more choices, like being able to choose between all 4 dwarves, primary or secondary, so it is still rng, but the chances of getting what you want its highly improved
Yup this is the only viable compromise. Anything else would make the game considerably worse for me and my friends.
Exactly! Also I think that promotion should give matrix cores only for promoted class
@@majorfallacy5926
How does less RNG makes a game less fun?
The overclock grind didn’t feel bad to me when I was new. It honestly felt like it gave me more reason to play the game. And now I’m cracked on trying different build combinations
Yeah it's not perfect but I never really felt frustrated with it
@@craftboy338 I remember starting off I got lucky with a few overclocks that were considered top tier. But fat boy for engineer evaded me for quite some time. And it made it so much more satisfying when I finally got it. I stand by my opinion it’s the most overturned OC in the game atm
It’s bad dude… I have over 400 hours and still haven’t gotten all of the weapon overclocks
@@ianjohnson3770 that happened likely because of the inability to look for the events. Maybe it’s because I main scout and actually look for things? Maybe it raises the chance of having events for Haz 5 but I’m unsure.
Also doing the deep dives every week aids in acquisition because it guarantees 2 per week without having to complete events.
i think the issue is how hype people get for overclocks and if unlucky they get hurt, the higher you are the farther you fall
On the ethics of save scumming, I like how a friend of mine once put it:
Life's too short to grind in a singleplayer game.
100 fucking percent
Important note: you can make it easier. If you're rerolling for a specific class or overclock - you can save after you got the two class option if there's the one you need. Exit the game, enter again and save. You will have the same classes but the overclock itself is randomized each time. Found out by accidentally triggering the forge mastery.
OMG thank you
to be honest this is already exhausting I've been resetting my save for almost 3 hours and I still can't get the only one oc I want I don't even want anything else
and to think that for every 40 seconds of resetting I would have to play for a week or something is just unimaginable
and for the majority of the times I wasn't even getting the class I wanted but your comment really made the whole process easier
also one other thing I have found out relying on in game backup saves or external backups which need restarting can be unreliable or time wasting
so if you're ready to save just exit out, let it upload to cloud and then turn off cloud saves
this will keep your save there every time letting you restart very quickly and reliably
also your method doesn't even have the long animation
How do you save after getting getting to choose the class. You can't leave to spend credits.
Please elaborate on how to save after you got the two class options - do you mean save when the two options are on screen?
@@robbtarte2389Haven't tried this yet but I thiiiiiiink they meant that, if you get (for example) the options to choose between gunner and engi, you exit the game, load back in and (Without opening the forge) spend credits
@@yoaveragelostmain1862smart stout drinker
I always thought it would be great to see when selecting an overclock, from the places you get a choice, wether the overclock would be clean, balanced or unstable from the colour or design of the background on the icon.
Because then at the very least you’d have a better idea about what you could get because the pool would be slightly smaller.
Glad i happened to look at the server list at just the right time and let my curiosity check if it was a meme or not.
Very well edited video and thank you for the knowledge. Will be using this.
Edit: Worked, got Fire Arrows and Explosive Chemical Rounds, time consuming as save scumming tends to be, but far less time consuming than doing it the normal way.
thanks, glad you enjoyed!
Nice video, the random aspect of the overclock grind is really a shame. I think a lot of players put the game down before they ever dive into them, and thats when I found the game really clicked. To be honest I think the player should just get to choose what weapon the oc is for, maybe even the specific oc. Its really lame to have a feature time gated and rng gated, the promotion rewards were a step in the right direction but hopefully we see some more changes.
Agreed, it's funny that the OC grind is presented as the endgame, when I think many of us who have been through that grind realize it's the mastery of the game mechanics, class mastery, combat skill and speed play, etc, that is the true endgame. Basically, improving intrinsically vs the external rewards of overclocks, which are actually just tools to help us get to mastery.
The hardest part of the grind is getting enough matrix cores to do events, I do the deep dive and the core hunt and still almost always have a constant 0 cores available, it’s kinda annoying you should get one from lost equipment and cargo crates too if you find then
Good stuff man, extremely well put together. Seems like you’re aware but definitely be ready for a torrential flood of people saying “the grind keeps people playing if you could pick you’d burn out”. Very silly perspective on the game IMO, player choice is always better than dice rolls in an instanced movement shooter 😂. Extremely well produced video and even better talking points, making me look bad here! Much love brother ❤
Axis my guy, appreciate the love! And yeah I'm predicting this vid won't land quite well with certain parts of the community.
To me, it's a shame that a greenbeard might get super hyped after learning about Special Powder or Fat Boy etc, only to be let down once they realize how tedious the grind will probably be. I encourage all the "well I suffered through the OC grind" greybeards to show some empathy for our newer friends who might not be as dedicated to this game.
Hoping this video can nudge the devs to a redesign the OC system and give players more agency over which overclocks they obtain (long shot, I know).
Firstly this game isn't much of a movement shooter, especially compared to games like Titanfall. BO3 gave far more movement than DRG does. I believe that movement is potentially the most important skill in DRG, but only because you survive by avoiding getting hit. In games with support classes and medics movement doesn't matter as much, since you can avoid death by getting healed.
I disagree with your point here. I've had friends play DRG, find an OC they like from a YT video, grind until they get it, then quit when they stopped enjoying it.
I also had a friend save scum to get RJ with only 30 hours in the game. When they went into Haz 6 and found RJ to be far less effective than their shard diffractor they just quit. It doesn't ruin everyone's fun, but I think it's a better attitude to ignore the OC grind. I think that if a player has around 90% of their missions completed being "assignment missions", and doesn't play much past the deep dives and weekly assignments is bound to stop playing once they stop progressing, or soon after they get an OC they've been waiting for. The ones that stick do other people's missions over their own, play random missions without profitable anomalies just for the sake of it, and relish in the excitement of BET-Cs, Nemeses, tyrant weeds, and all the other stuff that people might call annoying. They make the game more interesting, and that's what keeps this person playing, not the promise of shiny new upgrades.
@@chanceIIorswhile I very much enjoy the RNG I respect the choice of people to save-scum. It does not affect my fun in any way so why care?
@@jonathannash8471 I like your perspective. The game is definitely not supposed to be all about getting the grind done and ignoring all the other stuff, but rather is meant for good times and exciting adventures. I love how it's even a bit realistic with how you often can't get what you want, just like in real life, but can deal with what you got. For the grind I just decided to fully commit to getting EVERY driller overclock, that way I can't be like "Man I really want this overclock! because I HAVE THEM ALL" 😂
@@jonathannash8471 I agree mostly with your idea here and I defiantly fit the bill of what you are explaining. But why not give the people who will quit without progression new stuff at a much higher rate? Would that hurt the people's experience who don't play for rewards or progression? Even if they are going to potentially quit after they get everything they want, why not give them more stuff to try out new builds along the way and make it even more enjoyable for them while they are playing? If anything, it will keep them playing longer.
It would be nice if everyone could be the people who just play for pure fun without wanting more variance in there gameplay, but a majority of people will want to have that change happening at a somewhat consistent rate, and to purposefully make the game less appealing for them is a big fault imo. Wouldn't people rather the game just have more players overall and also have a chance of them staying, even if a lot leave? You would still have a higher chance of people becoming veteran players that stay.
DRG also has built in save-scumming for PC, if you save by tip,, go to save menu, make a name and save as current, do ur forge, and restore save to the save you were previously on, you never have to backup or manually grab a save, it never saves over a save that's not (active save), although I don't know how this would interact with the (Main Save) status or sandboxing
i got all the weapon overclocks I need, but came to say that this is a fantastically edited video! great job, dude!
Another suggestion to improve random - every 10 forge levels you can pick exact OC you want. Still pretty long road, but if you want something specific to try - you can force it if you have enough resources. And you will also forge a lot of additional OC/cosmetics, which you got randomly
Ah yes, the nuke, that one stray "bullet" that just so happens to find me every time to say hello and ruin yet another h5 run.
>Me sitting here with like 20 unclaimed engineer overclocks waiting for Fatboy
Honestly had to look at the date if it was april fools, forgot you can save scum alot things
I really hope the devs see this video. 202 hours into this game and am still missing many of the *fun* overclocks.
I am a college student, any time I am not studying I am at work.
The amount of time I dedicate to this game weekly has gone down in favor of other games where I can jump in and have fun.
The most fun I have in DRG now is throwing together a randomized loadout and jumping into an elite deep dive without testing it first.
I don't think I can invite friends to play this game with me (even though they already have the game from a previous sale, but they have never played it).
If the person is not already playing the game they are not going to stick around.
I'm down for a good grind sometimes but if luck leaves you out to dry then it's gonna start feeling quite rough. I'm going to save scum to get fat boy. I've been trying to get that one specifically, and after hundreds of hours and getting I think a quarter of all the matrix cores and 23/36 of engineer's overclocks, I am sick and tired of this crap. When I first started I had machine events all the time, then I got my tritilyte key, it dwindled, and now that I really wanted a fat boy I've gotten less than 10 machine events in the past 2 months.
I love your suggestions for the Icons and for direct overclock choice per 3 promotions. That sounds really cool. And the mitigation of the RNG in some cases. I agree that we need a more direct path. It's interesting to consider keeping some of both. Some avenues that are RNG and some that are direct-choice.
Rock and Stone, Miner! oT
I enjoyed the length of the overclock grind up until I tried getting some of my friends to play to which they all quit before their first promotion. It was then I realized how daunting the grind can be for casuals who do not plan to grind like crazy. So I do agree that GSG should do something to make the initial grind more beginner friendly to give more incentive to stay. I really like the overclock choice after each promotion milestone idea, I think that would be a good balance of keeping the current RNG system to keep mad lads who love grinding happy but also giving newcomers enough control over their progression to keep them engaged.
Yes exactly! I've had multiple friends quit early on as well, glad to hear I'm not the only one. Now that I think about it, it's probably extra discouraging for our new friends to see us showing off the cool overclocks to them, since those OCs can feel so out of reach to people starting out. Hoping to see some changes to the system, but at least we can send them to this video guide in the meantime
If people quit before their first promo surely that can't be due to the OC grind no? I'd say it's more that they just don't enjoy the game - it's not everyone's cup of tea.
@@jonathannash8471 I think it's plausible someone might quit early because of OCs, especially in OP's case where it's a new friend being shown the ropes by someone who has much more experience. The greybeard friend might try to get their new friend hyped by showing off the cool OCs, only to then tell them the reality that "well, you might have to grind months / hundreds of hours to get these OCs". I know this because it happened to me when I was showing a friend the ropes. Oops.
As for other reasons people might quit before their first promo, yeah it _could_ be that someone just didn't enjoy the game, but I also do think the game doesn't really set up greenbeards for success starting out. The tutorial is extremely barebones and outdated and I've heard multiple people miss the fact that you have to dig in the dirt to advance, because it was only explained in a brief window that popped up while they were distracted, etc. I also personally had no idea what was going on with missions and assignments at the start, and when you compound all these little frustrations up, it can lead to players just dropping the game for something better or more easily digestible.
@@jonathannash8471 i think it's a little of both. For me the game is fun enough on it's own that I don't mind the grind. I'm currently at around 480 hours and I still don't have all the weapons because I enjoy playing the game "slowly" (without grinding promotions, or even keeping up with weekly deep dives or core hunts). I spend most of my time playing public games or helping my friends promote their characters. I just really like shooting bugs and mining dirt so it doesn't feel like a chore to do missions, the dopamine hit comes from the game and not the slot machine at the end.
But for many of my friends, the game's content isn't varied enough to warrant continued play. It is still a procedural generated game and there's only so many pieces it can pull from to make a mission. And when they found out that there was this huge grind for OCs looming over them, they dropped it. Some people just don't like having one game as their main hobby, they play a game until they feel like they've seen enough and then they move on to a new thing.
For DRG, that moment comes a little while after you promote your first dwarf-- there is some short bursts of content to be seen from the Machine Events (like Omen Towers and Ebonite Glyphids), you have a few OCs and the extra perk so you can handle hazards 4 & 5, and deep dives are fun but they are basically just 3 regular missions back to back with the nitra and ammo management gimmick. Once you've seen all this stuff, it's basically just a drip feed of fun from the OC grind and then waiting for actual content drops each season.
Good video, the editing is good and the information was well-presented enough even for my adhd ass to pay full attention to it, you have my sub.
rock and stone!
I think a neat idea for at least machine events is selecting the class (out of 3) you want the overclock (2 options) or cosmetic (1 option) for (similar to how it is currently) then that leaf of the menu opens up and you get to choose one of three random *revealed* matrix cores for that class
it's still slightly random so it keeps you playing, yet you have a choice to pick your favorite out of three choices and you know what you get, and what you forgo acquiring until next time
someone could probably elaborate on this idea more if they are so inclined
55 SUBS?! What the heck man. Your video feels like at least 50k subs. Very well done! Rock and Stone Miner! You have gained a sub.
Wow I thought this channel had a lot more subs with that editing, keep up the good work
The video and editing on this were great! Keep it up.
extremely well made video, good stuff
The editing on these videos is insane! You are an amazing designer/ editor
The video is really well made! You deserve more subs
1:50 that TF2 style aesthetic looks great
This method isn't for me, but the video is very well made, and I always love more resources like this being available to players who want them. Was surprised to see you didn't even have 1k subs yet, definitely earned a new one!
Insane video quality for the amount of subs you have. Keep up the videos and you will be big in no time!
i believe that overclocks should be craftable, like i think that having the random slot machine style overclock is fine but i think there should be a way to turn a blank core into a overclock of any kind just by spending resources in the hub, it would save, so many people, so much time, and is still fair in that its still randomized and it consumes resources to do
Lot of good ideas here boss, great vid.
I just wish there was a daily shop that sold random oc they would cost a lot and it would encourage players to log on daily while being fair for the people who grind oc
Cheating is a certified rock and stone moment. Good that I don't have to spend 400 hours to get the correct OC
I’m pretty happy with grinding for OC’s, as I’ve just gotten my first promotion and the OC I was provided with was Snowball. Having something to do in the game and something to aim for is what keeps me coming back to the game
So much nostalgia from the Maplestory music.. and a very informative video. Subbed
As a new player it's worth mention that even weapon unlocks are a bit of a grind for a new player WAAY before they even know what an overlock is. I started playing the game with 2 of my friends and I have put significantly more hours into it so I am have already promoted 2 classes and I am on my third, but my other 2 friends still haven't unlocked any new weapons after ~12 hours of playing. One doesn't seem to mind but the other seems a bit less interested to play more even though he liked the game. Makes me think if he found a gun that suited him more he would play more.
Thanks for the video!
The radioactive ring on the thumbnail simply by looking at Fat Boy was a nice touch.
I’m surprised you have such little subs, this editing is incredible
The forge is much faster than promoting since you get to choose the class that the overclock is for. Its also easier to get 5 forge unlocks than a promotion.
You say that random overclock are bad design by default, but having to make do with the overclocks you are given can be a really fun and interesting strategic challenge. This only works if all overclocks given are good in their own ways, which just isn't the case in Deep Rock Galactic.
Yeah, people need to learn to appreciate what they got rather than act like spoiled brats who didn't get a ps5 for a birthday. 😂
Yeah people online aren't aware that they're essentially demanding instant gratification. The overclock grind isn't the usual lootbox money making scheme we're used to, it's a conscious design choice to keep the feeling of discovery alive for as long as possible. There will always be a set of very vocal players who spoil the game for themselves and then get sad they can't replicate the build guide they saw on youtube, but imo it would be a very bad choice to design a non competitive game around them.
@@lonejohnwolfdon't care, didn't ask. Enjoy getting homebrew powder, manual guidance cutoff, turret arc or any OC for the BRT that is not lead spray or experimental rounds. I'll go and play what i want
@@alessandrosaltarin9990 Turret arc was so trash when I used it. Also I will enjoy getting EVERY overclock I get no matter what it does.
@@alessandrosaltarin9990 I ain't a spoiled brat. 😂
Also nobody asked you to even come here. OOF got em
Thanks for this video, me and my friends actually quit drg after 4 months after we bought the game just because the game become really repetitive for us and the oc i get each week are mostly the weaker/unfun ones that makes the game very boring in season 3 (finished the bp and got all the cosmetic tree too). I only came back to play this game after my friend told me that season 4 update is here. This video really helps me finally having a way to get the overclock i want consistently and thus test out the builds i like!
I would love for someone to test out how random overclocks actually are when doing this method. I have farmed certain overclocks for literal hours at a time with no luck. Ill get "light cases" for what feels like 25% of the time, and half the overclocks never show up. I swear there has to be some sort of pool of overclocks that the game chooses from for whatever reason when you do this because every time I do it, i get the same overclocks over and over and over again with most overclocks never appearing. It is statistically impossible for this to happen, please someone test this.
I think having weapon progression would be a really cool way to unlock weapon overclocks. By using a weapon you increase your proficiency with said weapon and in turn will get random ocs for the gun on weapon rank up. Weapon xp can be tied to mission xp. I think scalling it with kills could be bad especially for more single target dps and utlity based weapons.
just spent the past 30 mins doing this since im on a forge mastery tier for a wep, and ofc I keep getting ones for the classes I don't play, and the ones I DO play are the most mid ones ever. At least NOW I don't feel robbed of my minerals and can keep doing it forever until I get one for Driller ^^ tysm for the tip
thabk you, this will be very useful to me. i'm a greenbeard who's just reached the point where overclocks are my main avenue of progression and seeing as how many good builds are locked behind having some of them, and how big the pool is, i'll feel no shame in doing this so i can then play the game in a way i like
This is an awesome video bro! I wish I knew you made videos and streamed on twitch. Hopefully we'll rock and stone next time you're on PS5.
My man, small world! Not gonna lie I lost willpower to play on PlayStation with its degraded fps recently and no mods. But yes will hit you up next time I'm on!
@@chanceIIors What's up chancellors! What's up No Apologies!
@@scottbeaudine3917 ayyy Beaudine!!
I'm 200h in and the only class I enjoy playing is Engineer, it takes just way too long to migrate to another class and even when you do there's another couple hundred hours waiting you for you to grind the OverClocks.
I will be trying this save strategy and see if I can squeeze some more fun out of the game, until now I only got 1 OC for the Engineer and I already have tons of overclocks for other classes... Tired of doing so much and getting no direct reward from it
Edit: After 4.5h of resetting my save I finally got the OverClock I wanted, 100% made me more invested in the game as I can now feel that I advanced in the game (as opposed to be at the same power level for tens of hours). I don't think you will find it fun to do this for every overclock, but it's really refreshing if you have been grinding for ages and not getting anything good.
Bro thank you so much, this came at the perfect time for me as I've put around 200 hours into the game and so far my only complaint has been the overclock RNG. When I promoted my engineer the second time and got driller overclocks I was so fucking confused. Like, your telling me that my reward for putting 20 hours of gameplay and practice into one character is an item for a different character I haven't even touched? Most messed up thing.
The other thing they should change is have options for all 4 characters at the core infuser, and allow us to chose if we want an overclock or a cosmetic. This isn't really an issue to the longevity of the game in my opinion, cause even if you got 9 overclocks for the same character in one week (includes deep dives, core hunt, forge mastery and a promotion) it would still take around 3-4 weeks to get every overclock for that character, so just letting us choose what to do with our 4 blank cores that week is the minimum.
the chance of getting the specific overclock you desire from forging mastery is roughly 1.4%. 50% chance to get the class you want, 1/6 to get a weapon you want, and then most weapons have 6 overclocks so its another 1/6 - 0.5 * 1/6 * 1/6 ~ 1.4%. With some mods i optimized the cycle down to like 20 seconds between each attempt. Took me around 20-30 minutes to get what i wanted. The mods i used are a hotkey to access station elements like the forge, and fast forging to skip the animation. At least half of the time goes down for loading screen, but my game was on HDD and running through Wine, so yours could be much faster than that.
Thanks to this method, I got Magic Bullets for my Bulldog. Felt great, I really wanted to pair it with Jetfuel Homebrew for the Hurricane. Spent over 6 hours rerolling and got pmuch every single overclock in this game but the one I wanted. Ultimately I settled on the Carpet Bomber after it rolled for the 5th time
I just enabled the console and gave myself 100 blank cores, then played the game normally. Not having to skip machine events because I didn't have a core made the game so much more enjoyable and the overclocks flowed at a natural pace. I'm capped on everything now and with the regular events and sometimes doing core hunts for giggles I still have a significant surplus of cores. In the event they do ever add more weapon OCs, I have so many uncrafted cosmetics sitting in my forge that I could bang them all out with mastery.
Save scumming, console, save editing, whatever enables you to have fun. DRG isn't a competitive game and as long as you're not directly griefing someone else, Rock and Stone.
Just saw this just after I got the special powder OC- the last specific OC I was looking for. Very sneaky trick!
I was lucky enough to get into the game when drg save editor was still working. It has since become obsolete due to updates to DRG and the save editor dev moving on to other projects.
After getting my first dwarf to level 25, i immediately used the save editor to do the same for all dwarves to skip the grind.
Then after hitting the weekly matrix core bottleneck for a few weeks I decided f it. I know which overclocks I want (special powder, neurocannon, hipster, tuned cooler etc)
and decided to get them all.
from then on whenever I did a deep dive etc, it was for cosmetics and fun, not a chance to unlock.
in my opinion they should make overclocks exclusive to deep dives and let you pick which one you want.
Having got EVERY overclock in ≈1 year of playing and now over player level 500 with ≈1,300-1,400 hours under my belt (long before players got 3 cores from promotions), I very much agree with you on the grind needing a rework, overhaul, or whatever term you could use to change it for the better.
I’ve bought DRG for several friends at this point, but the one and only thing I dread is any one of them hypothetically putting the game down due to them not having much of any input on what overclock they’ll be wanting to earn.
I got INSANELY lucky with getting disgustingly good overclocks very early on (first Autocannon one being Neurotoxin Payload and first Boomstick one being Special Power, still can’t believe that even to this day), and having had to go through several periods of grinding dives and even resorting to repeatedly going in and out of levels as Scout in order to find core events just to get overclocks from whatever blank cores I had, the grind is still pretty horrendous even with it being shortened ever so slightly due to promotions now giving cores.
GSG has put a lotta love into their game and has made me have so many enjoyable and memorable moments slamming bear and slaying bugs, but my brother in Karl, that overclock grind was not it. BUT, the euphoria I felt closing in on the last ones I had to get and finally seeing only mineral cores from core events and dives was something to behold.
Your video was excellent; nicely done. Rock & Stone! ⛏️
Your editing is insane!
I got special powder in like my first 3 OCs when I started, had no idea it was that useful! Thank you
They could also add free timed OCs every week. Or assignments for the specific OCs every week.
I am new, Engi main. Just got my first promotion and stuff like that, and it only gave my overclocks for the other three classes.
Since I have very limited time to play, I will certainly save scum to get an overclock for the class I play next time I get a chance.
OMG TYSM I JUST DID THIS AND BY SHEER LUCK I GOT FAT BOY SECOND TRY BY SAVE SCUMMING THE FORGE❤
Thanks again. I've only played for 1.5 months and now I have some of the very best OCs
The way I see it, for every save scummer, there's one less player who got shaded because they never get any popular or powerful mods due to unlucky rolls and who doesn't play anymore. (Or in more clearer terms, one more player who is rocking and stoning)
As a person who spent every possible opportunity to get special powder only for it to be in the last 5 overclocks I got, I would've loved to know about save scumming sooner. I also have a theory to make it faster. In Borderlands 2, many players on PC will get to a certain point right before a mission reward and force a game save. But or BL2 instead of backing up the .sav file, I'll open the properties for it and change it to "Read Only" to easily and infintely farm an item you can only aquire once per playthrough. I have yet to try this method in DRG, but if it works I'll replay to my comment later.
This "read only" strat seems super interesting, definitely let me know if it works!
How'd you get it in your last 5? There are more than 5 OCs on all the other classes. When I made a steam account to play with mates on there I only took driller OCs when they were available to get full auto subata faster. Wasn't quick, but got it in the end with still 80% of all OCs still locked because I didn't choose the other classes for machine events.
@@jonathannash8471 some times you get super unlucky and you don't get your respective classes to choose from. I had plenty of bad RNG when it came to A. the scout overclocks I got and B. how many times scout was an option after doing an event. I got almost equally unlucky getting hipster for the M1K and fat boy for PGL, was super lucky to get hyper propellent early on.
@@chanceIIors works almost exactly how it does in BL2. I had to speedrun towards my promotion but headache aside, all you have to do is instead of copying the .sav file just open its properties and tick the read only box then hit apply. And the best part is you can keep rerolling the rewards without restarting the game.
Video's up showing how it looks, nothing too special.
@@vintajecheese7803 Checked out the video, so if I'm understanding correctly you can just load the same save file indefinitely within the game since it's read-only? And you don't have to keep quitting out of the game and copy-pasting the one you put aside.
Then when you get something you want, do you edit the save file so it has read and write access, while the game is still open?
I think being able to choose specific weapons to get overclocks for would be great. Ive been grinding overclocks for engi even though I mostly want grenade launcher OCs
The proposed solutions would be amazing for cosmetic stuff too. The cosmetic pool is so large at this point one cannot afford to skip completing the pass else the odds just further stack against them.
great video!
Amazing editing, would have thought you were a 1 mill sub channel
So I've just dived into DRG nowdays and reached the overclock system. Out of the 15+ overclocks I've got, only 4 are for my scout that I exclusively play.
This is the only system I dislike actually, but it sucks a lot.
Especially how everything else can be controlled and this can not.
A system that allows you to very exceptionaly choose one specific overclock would be a great addition indeed
I honestly hope they don't change it. I liked that there was a finite number of OC's you could get each week. Up to three blanks, weapons and cosmetics from assignments and deep dives is plenty per week. Most weeks I didn't do all of them. Plus there is bonuses from forge and now promotions. I got excited each time we found a machine event on a mission, cos it was time for a reward. If there was a specific OC I had in mind, I tended to get it pretty quick by only focusing on that class.
I hear the argument that its only for players who are sticking around, but it was/is cool to have something to do each time I pick up the game. And if we are going to look at the 40 hour and under players as this video suggests, hell, wouldn't they be still mining minerals to unlock the weapon mods, for multiple weapons, across all the classes?
The way it is set up, you experiment with new toys when you get them. Try new builds when they become available. While it is personal preference, I consider this better than a 'cookie cutter' player base where you've read the meta on a forum and go straight to that build.
There needs to be something to reduce the RNG of getting what you want, i have every overclock for weapons that i dont use, but have the worst in each of the weapons i Actually use in all classes, or none of the funny ones because my luck is dogwater
So far ive only played gunner, got him to 1 promotion and level 16 or 17, and out of all the overclocks i have ive only gotten one for gunner which was a mid one for the BRT7 which i dont even play, and that i only got from finishing an *eight or nine mission assignment*
I definitely feel like while it's fine to get overclocks for other classes, it would really help if you had a much higher chance for overclocks to be for your current class, or maybe even your currently equippped weapons
Yesterday, through forge mastery, got a Neurotoxin overclock for my thundercannon! thanks to you!
Also won a RJ250 for my boy engineer on my first Deep Dive that day :D
Congratulations!
So is it safe to use?
@@Ivan-kx3iw yeah, just make 2 saves.
First save as restore point, second save as the one where you try to get overclock through forge mastery/prestige.
If you get not something you want, use restore save function to get back second save to the state of first save
@@LazyBuddyBan i tried today, that's cool)
Now I don't need to grind hundred hours to get cool overclocks
As someone who manually grinded all the overclocks and didn't mind... i love this video! Not everyone has the time or effort to RNG until they get something specific they had in mind.
You know if this is doable on Xbox? I’ve grinded like 20 different overclocks and only 1 of them is driller. I don’t even play any other class than driller and it’s frustrating me.
what a cool video, I'd never thought about the save files on steam! I don't think save scumming is unethical, unethical is designing a predatory game system to make people spend their lifespan in important game mechanics such as overclocks. They must provide some way to grind for specific overclocks and make RNG centric cosmetics, titles and achievements that are trivial to casuals. In general save scumming is a symptom of lack of QoL or lack of communication with its player base.
Just use a save file editor if you're going to do this. The bottleneck for me back when I was going hard on DRG was blank cores. I was fine with getting random OCs I just hated not having a core to get them from events. I edited my save to give me 20-30 blank cores and it has been so much better. Now I have 30-40 blank cores and all the weapon OCs, just grinding out the cosmetics.
How to do this?
that was my first thought as well lol. If you're manipulating your file with the windows file editor already why even bother relying on the ingame mechanics? It's like going through the trouble of rigging a slot machine when you could just open it up and take the money out.
How to do this tho?
I'm pretty new to DRG and have been maining Engi. I only just realized how lucky I was to unlock Volatile Impact Reactor on Shard Diffractor as my first OC for it, very shortly after unlocking the weapon. I tried Diffractor out as soon as I unlocked it, and realized I really liked it. Then I got VIR from the the next Blank Core I infused (and I believe the second one I infused ever. I've only gotten like 4 total), and it's been so helpful. Being able to just quickly sweep the beam across the ground and lay down magma to deal with groups of squishier ground foes like grunts has been amazing.
When I heard that the Deepcore GK2 was getting a big buff in Season 3 I was solely gunning for AI Stability Engine. I put in a couple hours everyday and it still took me over 2 months to get. I didn't have many Scout overclocks before but by the time I got Stability Engine I had Scout nearly complete. I love the Deepcore accuracy and damage build but can't say it was worth over 2 months of grinding for 1 specific OC
I agree that some people probably dislike the grind and want to have the overclocks they want instead of rng. However for me personally get random ones is a big reason I keep playing if I could just choose which ones I wanted I would have quit after getting special powder and hoverclock for me personally grinding for loot boxes is a lot of fun. Though I understand why some disagree
Yup, that's why I think the best system for players with varying levels of "commitment to the grind" would be a combination of RNG and player choice!
True, I'm also in this kind of mindset, albeit not entirely, i like specific overclock more than the others for sure. But over time, no matter what, I will eventually get a bit bored with them either because too strong or just the same fun repeated again.
This is where randomness comes in. Example are gk2 OC, i liked ai stability the most and the other as meh but when i got electrifying reaload first i though oh well that's a bit unfortunate but i tried it nonetheless and oh boy it actually changed my perspective of it. It's actually a very fun and surprisingly ammo efficient OC that encourages a different playstyle. Safe to say, it opens up a new perspective of me about gk2 other OC, and the randomness in this case helped me since it gave electrifying reaload OC first.
Again, this doesn't apply to all people since each person has his or her own opinion about it, but for me, it definitely keeps my DRG experience fresh by trying new things like this. Some player might not given their unwanted OC a chance since they really focused too much on the desired OC or just afraid to experience but again i don't blame them, since again different person will have different way of thinking about it.
Has save scumming been fixed? Might’ve done something wrong but it didn’t work for me
I wanted to try this since I was close to both a promotion and a forge mastery, Ironically I got realy good overclocks form both without reloading the save
Im gonna go get special powder from this video!!! Thanks!!!
Btw, what mod is the heat circle around the crosshair?
Weapon Heat Crosshair - drg.old.mod.io/weapon-heat-crosshair
An essential mod imo for managing the heat based weapons. Definitely tinker with the settings since by default it's quite bulky and takes up a lot of space in your crosshairs
I'm at about 300 hours /played and have quite a few OC builds created across all the classes. I don't have every OC I want yet, but, the OC grind just isn't bad enough to resort to scumming saves. And it give's you something to work towards beyond making a number go up.
a few things:
Is there a way to do this on xbox/game pass on PC?
With your suggestion to let dwarves choose between two overclocks at forge mastery and important promotions - I believe that would foster regret over what you picked and force dwarves to google/wiki which of the two overclocks are the best/meta.
I feel like the issue doesn't lie in the lack of agency nearly as much as it does the sheer amount of time it takes to unlock all of the overclocks to guarantee you getting the one you want.
I like your idea of being able to choose any overclock upon getting a new border but I think what would be better - and less confusing for new players - would be to be able to choose a class and a stability (balanced, unstable etc.) so that you aren't just bombarded with every option in the game all at once.
Because it's slightly more limited you might give that choice on forge mastery, or balance it some other way but that's my idea.
13:33 I think the idea of having more direct rewards for each class is a much better alternative to the rng system in place currently.
I think the overclock rewards for promoting was a really good addition to the game but like you said, its only a step in the right direction and not a complete solution. I think I could be on board with rng if the rewards from the forge and promotions were class specific (ie. Whatever class you have equiped is the class you recieve rewards for).
Having only just thought of it im not sure where i stand on the notion of having OCs be locked into consistent level rewards, like base mod tiers and other equipment is already. On the one hand, having a clear progression where players can know what to expect could be more of an incentive to stick with the game more. It could also add some extra benefit to prestiging each dwarf. The other hand however is concerned with balancing. How would the unlock ranks for OCs be spaced? The game could become more grindy, since with the rng system at least players have the chance of getting desired OCs earlier on. Not totally a fleshed out idea, but an idea none the less.
Anything that give the players more control of the experience they have with this otherwise amazing game i thonk is a good step.
the part about being able to choose a overclock after a major promotio (bronze to silver) seems interesting, imagine if every promotion (except first one becuase you get the key) you got instead specialised core fragments (idk make me a better name). After each promotion the player can choose a specialisation for exmple 1 star to 2 star would let you choose one of the 4 classes and from 2 to 3 star they may choose a weapon from that class, and when they finaly have a final promotion they can choose an overclock. This makes it feel like the player is actualy progressing toward what they want with every promotion being a step closer to their desired overclock ( I also forgot to say but this should come together with the current system of 1 blank 1 random overclock and 1 cosmetic).
Maplestory BGM! Thank you for the video!
From the bottom of my heart THANK YOU FOR THIS SO FUCKING MUCH MAN 128 hours in as of writing this and not a single fun overclock NONE FUCKING NONE
My first Overclock was the FAT BOY. Now, 600 hours later, I know how lucky I was.
The change I'd put fourth would be to add an extra selection layer for machine events, so that if you were to pick weapon oc for class x, you would after that be able to specify the weapon you want the oc from. Eg. pick Engineer weapn oc -> pick PGL -> get one random oc. Considering all weapons have 5-7 OCs this still results in a few attempts of RNG, but it would be much more bearable. Cosmetics don't need the extra layer though I wouldn't be mad about getting it either.
P.s. I already have all weapin OCs and only need cosmetic OCs.
I enjoyed the grind. Yall impatient. It's understandable.
I’d argue RJ250 is way more important than Fat Boy. RJ250 gives a ton more ammo, stacking with the ammo mods, and as long as you take heat (which reduces damage, bonus for its effect), you can still kill groups of glyphids just as easily.
For Scout, I’d rank Hipster way higher than Special Powder, as it turns the M-1000 from an M1 Garand into a (good) M14, with decent crowd control and just a ton of fun to spam.
I’d also say, for the importance/hunt list, I’d probably rank overclocks with special effects or changes higher, along with the highly regarded good ones (ammo mods for the Breech Cutter, Stuffed Shells for the Boomstick, etc). I’d rank all Homebrew Powder cleans, Double Barrel, and Missile Guidance Cutoff as the worst ones to get.
I agree to some extent, I actually don't use the "holy trinity" of famous OCs (SP, NTP, Fat Boy) that often, but I recommended them due to their "fame" within the broader community. Would love to hear your feedback on my next video where I'll share more personal picks for best OCs!
I would also like to make a case for Hyperpropellant. I was sad that the first unstable PGL was hyper instead of Fat Boy, but then I tinkered with it. With hyper you essentially have a .50 cal sniper rifle in your pocket.
You get much more ammo than fat boy, and you obliterate most huge enemies that dare to expose their weakspot to you, as well as having pinpoint accuracy. It doesn’t do AoE well but in cases where that isn’t an issue, I am out damaging gunners on eliminations simply to how much chunk damage hyper does
@@SargeanTravishyperprop gets a +1 from me. One shots the mech patrolers, nearly one shots pretorians, one shots menaces just for a few high priority targets on hazard 5. Ive never looked back after equiping it.
honestly until now I didn't mind the grind because i got really lucky and got overclocks like sticky fuel and Hyper Prop early on but there is one more more overclock i can't get it's already been like over 60 mission time hours and I have no luck.
I think a cool way to solve this problem would be that when you just got an reward from forging, that you then could select the next overclock so you know that you can get ist in a certain amount of time.
Compact feed valves is more practical than stick fuel for driller. The added time and damage is nice, but enemies caught in it die too fast with friendlies shooting them for the full duration causing you to spray way more than needed back onto the ground. So in short, less downsides and more ammo makes compact feed valves a good choice.
13:41 actual genius, this should be added in some form