CARVING WITH EARLY EDGE ANGLES | 3 skiing tips from a pro
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Tom Gellie has devoted season after season to perfect his carving turns.
It's safe to say that he's one of the best in the business when it comes to having an in-depth understanding of ski technique.
In this skiing lesson, Tom shares some great advice on how you can improve your carving turns, and particularly, how to achieve earlier edge engagement.
In the words of Tom, early edge engagement will make a skier feel:
- "a smoother transition through the turn"
- "more stable at high speed"
- "like the ski is doing a lot more of the work"
- "able to ski much steeper slopes faster"
Carving turns are addictive, fast, fun, and we always want more.
So get out there and give it a go, and let us know how you get on.
If you found these tips useful, or if you have a tip of own for how to ski with early edge engagement, please share it with us in the comments!
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
1:21 - The key: Toppling
3:21 - Tip 1: Set up for early edging success:
5:03 - Tip 2: Use an 'inrigger' leg:
7:28 - Tip 3: Pick up the pace:
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Have a carving tip of your own for early edge engagement?
We’d love to hear it! ⬇
I find it is helpful to edge first with my ankles, stay stacked, and retract my inside leg.
early edge "ankles"..... :)
@@rongoldberg8491 I get it!🤣
The barrier to toppling for most skiers is the fear of "falling" when they first do it, since you really are falling down into the inside of the turn. So it's conceptually helpful to understand that it's a trust fall, where your skis will come back around to catch you. Tom in the vid does an exercise with "training wheels" to help with confidence, but it will be necessary eventually to aim and time your topple to the inside so the arc of the skis will perform their catch just as you complete the fall.
Isn’t another way to think about this is that all you’re doing when you ‘release’ is letting your upper body go in the exact same direction that you were resisting against? Straight towards the inside of the next turn, in other words. When I think about that concept all the subsequent motions fall into place.
Finally,we have quality carving videos.
We're glad you feel this way about this video!
We'll strive to keep the bar high and continue delivering high quality content ⛷
@@CarvSkijust as feedback, I’m here because my carv app just keeps telling me to get better at edging and I’m like, say more. There are a couple tips in there but it’s repeating the same stuff that I’m trying to do, so I’m getting a bit stuck
I'm a level 3 CSIA, I don't teach professionally anymore but am often helping friends progress, I really appreciate your patience and clarity as there is so much in performance skiing that is counterintuitive.
I enjoyed the lesson, nice clear instructions. Special respect to the camera operator skier.
Thanks for the feedback!
We're happy to hear you enjoyed the video, tips and camera work ⛷️
I m a ski Instructor and you are just amazing - you touch the heart of the carving technique .- thanks
Wow, thank you!
We love this type of feedback 🥰
It's ridiculous how much I learned watching this. I can't wait to try it
I learned the term "Dive for Danger"... it is the aggressive approach to toppling. It is counter intuitive. I experiment with it, and it simply WORKS. The ILLUSION is that you are falling straight down the hill when you do it as a turn ends across the hill. As a physics geek, I can reason that I am not actually falling straight down the hill, as I really have forward momentum across the hill. I am really falling dIagonally into the carved arc that is about to form in front of me... and the pressure against the outside ski is what gives me support against falling over completely.
Thanks for the insight Paul, I'm sure it will be useful for other people reading through the comments.
We hope you get to go skiing this winter!
It is the centripetal force that doesn't let you fall completely, not your outside leg.
You only need “enough” edge angle for the steepness of slope and the speed your moving at. This BIG edge angles is such bullshit. It goes along with the Shaped Skiis bullshit the manufacturer and ski schools push for “Carving”
@@mieshavonedellestein1304 True, but pure carved turns leads to higher or even high speeds depending on the slope angle. You're using the skis design vs. rotary or steering.
As a physics geek, I can tell you have never taken a physics course. Tell me something about the Normal force, radial arm and tangential force.
First carving tutorial that actually mentions toppling! 🙌🏼
Hope you enjoyed it!
Ah, finally understand "soften the outer ski". And the explanation of when to start the toppling is also what I needed.
Totally excellent. The concept of toppling (and especially early toppling) is exactly what I needed to refine my carving!!! It's the word and phrase missing from other videos. This after skiing for 62 years....
Glad it was helpful John!
We appreciate the feedback 👌
Both Kudos for the lesson and the cameraman
Hope this series will continue for long, Tom's explanation is really good 👌
I teach it as a 'free fall', absolutely the must move for any advanced skier. Love the term 'toppling' and the demos with the falling pole and actual turns with and without the toppling. Forwarding to my students...Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
We hope that your students also find the tips useful ⛷
Great! This clearly demonstrated and labeled description of "toppling" aligns very well with Natalia Dounskaia's "throw the belly button towards the tip of the downhill ski" in her Leading Joint Hypothesis strategy and book "Effortless Skiing" and provides an excellent drill and timing example.
Glad you enjoyed it Andrew!
Thanks so much for watching and for your kind words.
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awesome, the french told me fall, or topple down the mountain. cant wait for ski season in europe....finally
this is one of the best ski instructional videos I've seen! (and I've watched too many). So clear and helpful
Glad it was helpful Michael!
It feels great to hear this type of feedback about our content.
We'll strive to keep the quality high.
That drawing he did was really helpful in understanding what he is trying to say. Thank you, i subscribed!
First time I have heard 'toppling' and it's a really nice concept. The big difference (for me) in your video examples is you clearly have much more significant lateral separation in your successful toppling technique. I think it would be very helpful to mention the importance of lateral movement, moving the centre of gravity from inside the turn to above the base of support is really going to help people 'topple'.
Thanks for the insight James.
Hopefully it is useful to others reading the comments after watching this video.
Finally a good edging guide!
Very helpful. I learned classic parallel skiing in the 80s/90s. While I can carve, I've been trying to get myself low enough where my legs are more horizontal to the ground. It's a bit of a mental thing as it requires an such an extreme edge position that would all but guarantee a wipe out on the old skinny sticks.
Nice video. Concise teaching. I like the “toppling” concept. “Controlled falling” is what I tell my students. I would add that slowing the feet down... sort of pulling them back just before edge change is perhaps another way to get at toppling and early edges.
Tom I give you respect, with regard to your accepting other professional skiers opinion of your videos and not blocking. I look forward to discussing alpine skiing technique with you this winter, when I debut my channel. You will be one of my first guests. We have spoken before on The physics of skiing. READ YOUR PHYSICS BOOK be prepared
Great video, perfect naming the toppling and de inner rigging excercise. Showed it to my wife and she loved it. So thanks!
Amazing how the teaching cues have matured. I moved from intermediate to advanced 30 years ago before the advent of the “parabolic” or newer skis. Back then it was a pair of Rossi 4S’s. Back then I learned it as falling through a doorway down the fall line. Skis these days and instruction are so much better. I’ve only skied 3 times in the last 10 years and these videos have been priceless in getting my mind right about fore/aft balance and edging which is what I lost as I’ve aged. Can’t wait to try this out. Thank you.
Excellent progression, explanation, and demonstration, Tom! Since you asked... The best thing that has been helping my students for about 20 years to get that concept of toppling is the exercise I was introduced to by one of the members of the US Demo team - " A Leap of Faith". Two skiers are standing in opposite directions one a little below the other on a rather steep incline. The top skier (not holding his poles) is supposed to give a hug to the "good old friend" below, he/she has not seen for years, committing him/herself to that hug, i.e. moving with the center of mass (not the shoulders, the American style), trusting the lower skier to hold him/her up. The lower skier should be prepared to catch the upper one. After a few incorrect attempts of going forward with the shoulders, not trusting the partner, i.e. not committing ("toppling"), the student usually gets the idea!
Sorry for that lengthy description - I failed to find a video of it anywhere - and I am licking my wounds in CO (a ruptured Achilles).
That is an excellent exercise to get the feeling. I learnt that one doing my APSI levels
2:23 thank you for the The side by side like this it's super clear
I learned this from my Staatlich Ausbildner for my Landes this season! Insane difference. Helped us clear the race gates even faster. We also did an exercise where we would lift our outside ski while we were transitioning into the next turn, let us fall into / topple , and then when we were about to "fall" drop the outside ski and be in the right position
Thanks for watching,
Glad to hear that the toppling sensation has been a game changer for your skiing!
Stay posted for new content on the way.
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I'm gonna take lessons and training for carving this season.
Your toppling and early edge engagement sensations are greatly anticipated!!!
Thanks a lot for your dedicated film.
very clear/good explanation about toppling!!… in Italy in the late 80s some of the best national instructors no longer spoke of flexion / extension (:-) but of translation… (with 200 cm skis… and i'm 167 "tall") … one of these made the students plunge into the void from the transition position… without skis on!
Excellent video. My 11 old son learned toppling after watching this video. He found it more stable when carving down the hill. He still needs a lot more exercise but this is a great tip for him.
Also the side by side comparison is really helpful.
Awesome to hear this Ryan.
We'll keep the content coming so stay posted ⛷️⛷️
Genuinely, one of the best skiing advice videos on YT.
Wow, thanks!
Love Tom so much, I did get the Carv early this year, still unboxed and planning to use this season. Sadly, due to covid, i can't ski this whole season.
But love to watch the quality videos!. Keep it up!!!!
Thanks for watching Steven,
Stoked to hear that you are enjoying the videos and will be skiing on Carv this season.
We have a few more videos on the way where Tom goes through some of his favourite Carv features so stay posted for this and we hope you get out skiing soon ⛷
I learned carving many years ago just by watching a good skier doing turns ahead of me, but then i had a great "help" also from my skis with 9 m radius making carv turn much much easier. I just wanted to say that I have picked this "toppling" move back then. And I agree this is one of important key movements to achieve a proper carving. Regretfully I never hear this advise from youtube instructors until this one video. I would skip tip 2 and suggest go straight to tip 3 - you need good slope and good speed to be not afraid to start toppling. By the way I call this move as a falling inside the turn before the turn starts. I would also suggest when you just start toppling for your next turn do not to try to turn yours skis with foots or lower legs.... just keep body at forward position and keep pressure on boots tips and just let the skis go as they go their own line. If you do everything right you will feel yours skis lean on inner edges and would start bending into carv turn under your weight pressure and speed just by itself.
Thanks so much for sharing this with us!
We're happy to hear that this lesson resonates with you and hope it will for many others also.
Happy skiing ⛷
great vid, thank you. loved the new terminology 'toppling'. Bend working on this for years, but I really like the term 'toppling'. This will be great to develop in my (mostly) grown kids. especially good for my 15 year old daughter. All 4 of my kids are good skiers, this vid will help me develop their kids further. I will study this vid further, take notes and bring this lesson to my local ski hill. Great stuff, thank you.
Super clear instruction. Awesome.
Thx me and my sons are gonne rewatch this many times and practice this. Thx Ski Coach. 😃
Really well done. Having 40 years of skiing under my belt, he made me understand what I learned over the years. Racer drills with the training wheel. Or retired racers in good form. Well done.
Thanks for the feedback Jeff!
Glad this video hit home for you.
Have a great winter 🎿
Fabulous, inspiring video, just makes me want to get out there, now! Thank you Tom for the clear stepwise approach and exercises, and excellent production. More helpful than a $500 private lesson :)
Glad you enjoyed the lesson Tim!
Tom really nailed this one so we appreciate the feedback.
All the best putting these tips into practice ⛷
Wow, made an immediate improvement to my skiing. Thank you Tom!
I can't thank you enough for this video! I've been obsessed with improving my turns. I've been working on toppling on my last ski trip and this entire week. Finally yesterday I slowed it down and finally got the topple feel , and kept practicing on blue and black runs. Finally yesterday it clicked and I was almost effortlessly falling into each transition and feeling the force of the old turn allow me to topple onto the new edges at high speed. It really makes it easier to control my turns on steeper slopes and at speed. It's a very satisfying and distinct transition. I would never have figured this out if not for this video. It's the best explaination of any video I've watched. Thank you thank you!!!!!
I was watching the video where you discussed toppling but doing it actively... The upside down turn. So as you go more across the hill during transition, let gravity start the topple and almost do like a side kick position with your new uphill ski and use like the ball of your foot to push the tip of the new outside ski up the hill? The pressure pushing back at you should keep your balance and keep the ski carving around, otherwise it will passively just drop/twist down the fall line very fast?
Nice. Going to try this tomorrow.
Best "how to" carve video .. we all have room to improve and this is a great step by step explanation on how to increase the joy of skiing
Thanks!
Your videos are awesome and Tom is a master in simplifying and transferring knowledge. Keep up the good work.
Had a chat about CARV with Tom on Blanchys, one of the runs shown a year or so back, and my go to run for early morning warm up and some great carving (obviously likes Bloody Mary and Guth as well). From what I have seen he spends a lot of time working on his own skiing, using the CARV system. Such a great bit of kit to show you where your pressure is in your boots at various parts of your turn and more. The passion he displays in this clip is the same as what he showed to some rando old dude who was in for the chat. Thanks for sharing
We ❤️ Tom! He's one of the most passionate skiers we know
@@CarvSki Hopefully I can improve some more this year. My passion is assisting adaptive skiers by both understanding the biomechanics of skiing and being able present the same in a way that is easy to understand and implement to a variety of participants with various needs. Implementing this in my own skiing is key to this and Tom's videos have aided in this.
Cool Rod. I remember our chat 😊
@@Bigpictureskiing thanks mate. I was down for a few days warm up and tried to implement toppling and also reducing my stance as I was A framing. Feeling a better flow and transition and now working on a bit more "toppling". Wet snow doesn't induce confidence nor does my 60+ age bracket, but the videos have been key to my improvement. Thanks again.
This is a good video, I like it! This toppling is important and interesting. I call it "body projection" in my book. It can be passive during the unloading of the ski-pressures (G force makes the work) and active when you kick of the COM into the fall-line by a leg extension.
Your problem here is, that you put attention only on this tool and leave out all the other important tools of advanced high quality carving. But it would of course take a long video .
This may sound ridiculous, but I found a way to practice the toppling movement on dry land using a treadmill! Put it at a high incline (treadmill stopped of course), be in the proper position you would be in just as you need to transition, hold onto the handlebar, release the old downhill leg while looking "down the fall line"...topple into the turn using the handle bar to keep you from falling down... early high edge angle :) (yes, I have too much time on my hands). Seriously, if you have access to a treadmill, try this!
Love the enthusiasm!
If it works for you, then keep it up.
We'd love to hear how you find it transfers across into your on-snow skills.
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Thank you for this great and informative video. Trying this really made my skiing more smooth and stable. Thanks a lot!
I like to use riding a bike as an analogy when describing ski technique. Momentum is your friend when your riding a bike. Try to do a track stand as in not moving while balancing is challenging. In skiing the energy build up from one turn helps to keep you moving into the next as you demonstrated.just like on a bike. As you carry speed you can transition the bike from turn to turn and lean over like toppling without falling over if you were standing still or moving slowly. I been cycling and mountain biking as dry land training for decades. It not only builds muscle strength and endurance but develops balance and coordination.
Thanks so much for the insightful comment Thomas,
I hope that it is useful for other viewers looking for extra tips in the comments section.
Have a good winter ⛷
Great video and production! Videography and sound quality top notch!!!
Glad you enjoyed it Bodie,
We'll keep the quality content coming so stay posted!
great stuff. clear explination. good teach
"Crossing over" same as Toppling . Also involves flexion and extension.
Practice and timing are key . . . mileage is a must.
Thanks for sharing XD
Thanks for your feedback Arden! Practice makes perfect 🎿
I have been crossing over too. Great feeling.
@@patrickpurcell3671 It is ! Great sign of an upper level skier !!
I too had not heard the term Toppling being used in other training segments. I took the last two days to put this into my drilling. Not only a quicker transition, but i felt like it helped increase the edge angle as well. I'll definately keep working on this in the days to come. Thanks, great tip1
Awesome to hear that you put these tips into practice and are already feeling improvements!
Thanks for sharing.
Excellent! such a clear demonstration of flexing the outside leg to initiate the turn, rather than standing up on the uphill ski. totally vindicates Harald Harb's teaching (PMTS). beautiful skiing and explanation. way to go
Glad you found it helpful! Stay tuned for more ski content 🎿
Great video with clear instructions on the toppling
Not to resist , a bit like riding a bike around the corner
I did the last days in Val Thorens the 5,6,7 th of May and can’t wait to ski again the next season
I really like the way you explain things with full teardown
Thanks Tom
Thanks Steph.
wow! love Tom's explanation on toppling & carving. Very intuitive. Awesome Vid!
@@Bigpictureskiing Hi Tom, do you still do coaching in Aust? Im based in Melb.
@@Bigpictureskiing awesome. i will send an email to your Gmail listed on your website. pls keep me posted!
Firstly Tom, it’s super cool to hear your accent on these Carv vids. The toppling sensation is a real trust moment that I’m grappling with in my technique. Really trusting in my edges to catch me. Hopefully I can find that this season. Loved your lesson and your teaching style :)
We very much appreciate the feedback!
Tom is one of the best when it comes to this topic so we are glad you learned something from this lesson.
All the best putting these tips into practice 👍
Toppling is the best feeling in skiing!
You got that right Jamie.
Yes!
Idea of inrigger was shown by Raymond Bodley in the "Teaching the Pure Carved Turn" youtube move. It simply works and I am glad to see it here refreshed by you..
Awesome thanks Tom. I think throw my body down the hill. Really appreciate your valuable tips and insight.
Glad you enjoyed it Patrick!
Tom did an excellent job with this lesson.
Great. I think this series of videos is vital in explaining the metrics used in the CARV app, several of which had been previously unclear to me. Outside the context of the app, they also provide great instruction. Thanks!
We're really happy to hear that this helped!
Thanks for watching and subscribing 👌
It is really great to see some skiing lessons in Australia, Perisher and Guthega perhaps.❤
Relaxing at the slopes
It's always a special feeling to be in the mountains!
With toppling I solve my problem of over rotation in the end of curve, thenx Tom.
Fantastic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your skills.
Thanks for the feedback!
We're glad you enjoyed the tips 👌
Great video, keep it coming. First day of the ski season with my new skies! Definately need to practice my carvings as i learned how to ski all by myself.
Thanks for the feedback!
There is a wealth of information out there, so make sure to check back on some of our other content that might also help you get back up to speed with your new skis ⛷
All the best putting these tips into action!
These videos are super well produced and nice and in depth, like it.
Thanks for the feedback Richard,
We'll strive to keep the quality content coming!
Thank you I hope to watch other similar soon!
More to come Fabio!
Excellent teaching. Remarkably full of details and thorough descriptions. Likewise with the video demonstrations. Excellent. Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful!
All the best going and putting these tips into practice next time you go skiing ⛷
Great video. An excellent presentation of how to carve with nice drills and relaxed easy to follow lesson. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback,
It means a-lot coming from you Triggerboy!
Best explanation i've ever found! Very useful, thanks a lot 👍
Thanks Sergey. Let us know if you do get a chance to test it out on snow and how it feels. Tom
Awesome insight. Thanks mate!!
Very nice video, one of the best (if not the best) explanation of putting the ski on the edge early in the turn. And very nice operation of the camera as well :)
Thank you!
We really appreciate the feedback!
Thanks for watching 👍
Props to Tom for a great overview & videographer for excellent footage.
Thanks for the feedback Tim.
Top did an awesome job with this lesson!
Another great video. Cant wait to get my Carv units on the slopes again.
Right on Kalli!
Have a great winter ⛷️
Superb demo. The best feeling on skis, 👌😀
Glad you liked it Neil!
We hope you make it back out on skis soon ⛷
Outstanding job Tom! I love your progression. This is the first time I have seen Carv's data used. I almost became involved several years ago when they were crowdfunding. I'm delighted to learn that their concept has become reality. Well done!
Thanks for watching Michael!
We're also beyond stoked to have more and more people skiing/improving with Carv each year 😎
Love the terminology and the side by side video at 2.20. Really good explanation. I was taught up and extend, you've shown me the reason why my legs run out of puff on steeper runs. Great vid, love it.
“Up and extend” now you’re taking me back.
I’d better watch the video properly before just reading the comments alone....
Hi Tom, I find this a very good explanation of what happens when skiing carve turns. Superb footing and great sound and music. Love to watch these videos!
Glad it was helpful Martijn!
All the best putting these tips into action.
If you have any content or lesson requests then feel free to let us know ✌️
Thank you. Lovely video. Wonderfully clear.
Thanks for the awesome feedback ⛷️
Thanks for good idea... Perfect tips for early edge angles...wow....... thanks a lot. really high high high quality videos.
Thanks for the feedback!
Really happy to hear that you enjoyed this video.
Stay posted as we have more content on the way.
Loved the video. Highly appropriate for where I am in my skiing journey. I have been a bit scared to topple far.
Thanks for the feedback David,
As Tom mentioned in the video, toppling does not always need to happen with high amounts of speed. Work your way up slowly, and you'll be feeling that topple in no time!
Excellent video. A great example of how to ski efficiently , and , as a result, last longer on the hill ! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed the video Thomas! Stay tuned for more ski content 🎿
very well explained, thx!
I really like your videos, simple ,good tips, easy way to progress,,,thanks !!
Thanks for the feedback Daniel,
Tom did a great job with this lesson so we hope the tips help next time you go skiing!
Tom, I like watching this video because it is really helpful. As I watch it, I am feeling the worry that toppling can lead to moving the pressure to the new inside ski. I would think that a crucial part of toppling is that the release of pressure on the old outside ski must lead to transferring pressure to the new outside (old inside) ski. That means that toppling must develop slowly enough that the pressure actually does transfer.
A crucial part is actually speed. We can all feel when we fall to the inside ski. If you’re at the stage if working on toppling you also need to increase the speed at which you’re skiing. Speed equals more forces to balance inside a turn and stay connected to the outside ski
One of the best carving tips i have seen
Cool thanks for the feedback. The opportunity to do these projects with Carv has been very enjoyable and so rewarding when we hear how it resonates with people like yourself
Thanks for the great tips Tom!
Glad you enjoyed the video Ben,
Tom certainly did a great job executing this lesson ⛷
Your choice in ski outwear is on point!... Nice turns too.
Thanks for watching.
Can't go wrong with Helly Hansen outerwear!
very nice demo and explanation!
Excellent video
Excellent videos!!!
Nice video, Tom. It reminded me of our first tracks at Aspen last year
@@Bigpictureskiing Watching and trying to copy you and Jonathan was not too bad either. Maybe when I am older I will be able to ski like that ha ha
Very lnformative, hope i can check it tomorrow
Nice video Tom!
it makes sense...love this video.
Very happy to hear that this video was useful to you Mario!
All the best putting these tips into practice next time you are out skiing 🎿
My goal is to start carving this winter.
Good luck David!
We hope the tips in this video, along with our other content will help you make good progress.
Really excited to get back out on the slopes after watching this! Been struggling with confidence to lean more into my turns, but this toppling tip sounds super interesting. Not sure I’ll ever be able to get Tom’s angles though!! 📐🔥
You can do it. Don't lose confidence. We believe in you❤️👍
We believe in you too Aiden!
Don't loose your confidence 💪
was wondering how i can improve my carving and i can't wait to try this when the season starts
nice use of freeze frame to emphasize a point. You rock! I mean, carve.
Thank you for the feedback!
All the best putting these tips into practice 🎿
Fabulous teachings Tom.
Thanks for the feedback Raul!
Glad you enjoyed the lesson 👌