a JazzShuggah song: Tigran Hamasyan - Entertain Me

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • Visual explanation of the song : Entertain Me by Tigran Hamasyan.
    This song uses the same logic developed by Meshuggah, i.e.: the riff is truncated after 4, 8, 16 or 32 bars of 4 beats (and with the snare on the third beat of each 4 beat bar).
    For a deeper analysis, check the full video in my main channel about Meshuggah : • MESHUGGAH et la MUSIQU...
    Video created by Paul Lascabettes.
    Contact : mathemusique.contact@gmail.com
    #TigranHamasyan #EntertainMe #Mathémusique

Komentáře • 124

  • @pratikmali9277
    @pratikmali9277 Před rokem +164

    Omg it helped me so much to understand thanks for the analysis… For the last part, its similar the part where you colour coded as blue so its
    5 5 5 5 3 3 3 3 3
    But the first “3” is played differently than the rest so the last four 3s is giving me four vibes… he does this 3 times and after that there is quintuplets 4 times and it’s one long note at the end… there may be the influence of tihai there but it’s not exactly a tihai because for a melody to be tihai there must be an accented note at the end the repeating melody and that accented note of the third cycle in melody must lie in beat 1.
    For eg if the pulse cycle is like
    1ena 2ena 3ena 4ena 1ena….. and so on
    Tihai can be abcde- where “e” is the accented note, “abcd” are some notes and “-“ is a rest, so it’s formatting is
    abcd e-ab cde- abcd e….
    1ena 2ena 3ena 4ena 1….(for comparison)
    So here e lies in 1

    • @music_representations
      @music_representations  Před rokem +18

      Absolutely!!! Thanks a lot for the explanation :)

    • @kashhnotfound
      @kashhnotfound Před rokem +2

      woah

    • @vlrze
      @vlrze Před rokem +5

      nice! the "5" parts sound like 3-beat measures. so its like a 3/5 polyrhythm?

    • @pratikmali9277
      @pratikmali9277 Před rokem +3

      @@vlrze it’s not 3/5 polyrhythm it’s quintuplet swing.

    • @JoshuaNichollsMusic
      @JoshuaNichollsMusic Před 3 měsíci

      @@pratikmali9277I disagree. I think you can clearly hear 3 equally spaced subdivisions by the drums for each note played on the piano, which would make it a 3:5 polyrhythm (just for the 5’s, then its a normal set of 3/16 notes for the 3’s). Quintuplet swing would sound more uneven, like the 4 sets of quintuplets at the end. That has a very different feeling to the first part of the phrase.

  • @alihijazi4451
    @alihijazi4451 Před rokem +184

    Dude, this has no business going THIS HARD. The breakdown got me headbanging at 2am alone in my apartment lol

  • @Marzvpool
    @Marzvpool Před 6 měsíci +26

    I've been looking for jazz metal for 6 hours and I finally got it

    • @esclrocks
      @esclrocks Před 6 měsíci +4

      Listen to T.R.A.M., you'll like it

  • @zactogepi6824
    @zactogepi6824 Před rokem +35

    Never thought that I would headbang to a jazz song

  • @SigmundKhebab
    @SigmundKhebab Před rokem +39

    2:57 the 3/16 pattern throughout the piece modulates to 3:2 (feel 3/4), and it has a nested tuplet with 6:2 and 9:2 (feel 3/4 8ths 3/4 triplets)

    • @SigmundKhebab
      @SigmundKhebab Před rokem +8

      I just noticed the 9:2 is actually 5 pulses instead of 6... So it has a 12:6 and 15:5 feel. Or 2 bars 3/4 to 1 bar 5/4 with triplets. Easier to notate as tempo change rather than modulate to nested tuplets

    • @JoshuaNichollsMusic
      @JoshuaNichollsMusic Před 3 měsíci

      I don’t think it’s a metric modulation - note the 4 sets of quintuplets at the very end, they are the same tempo as the rest of the song. I think it makes more sense to think of it as the same pattern as the rest of the song 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 3 3, but the 5’s are played with a 3:5 polyrhythm by the drums. The 3’s are just played as normal groups of 3 x 16th notes.

  • @Phunkophil
    @Phunkophil Před rokem +81

    Dude, if anyone can play this while counting it out in your head. Mad respect. At 1:28 something in my brain just breaks and I can't. Trying to go by feel, but that's still pretty damn hard.

    • @sillynaplord3827
      @sillynaplord3827 Před rokem +7

      I'm confident I could play it just following the pulse, but yeah I can't even imagine being able to count it!

    • @Masood.Hassani
      @Masood.Hassani Před rokem +4

      Tigran usually Do somekinda beat box while playing
      but yeah we're talking about humans for sure :')

    • @UkuleleAversion
      @UkuleleAversion Před rokem +8

      @@Masood.Hassani My tired brain just read "somekinda" as a new word. Thought you were talking about some konnakol-like rhythmic language that I've never heard of 😂

    • @UkuleleAversion
      @UkuleleAversion Před rokem +3

      It's less difficult than you'd think. I'm a trash musician and I can follow the groove alright at a slower tempo. The hard part is not killing your right forearm from the relentlessness of the main riff.
      Useful tip: say "uni-ver-si-ty" or "ta-ki-te-ta-ka" for quintuplets. "Hipp-o-pot-a-mus" is way too hard for me to say fast but you may want to try that or "loll-o-brig-i-da".

    • @miserirken
      @miserirken Před 11 měsíci +1

      Just follow the cymbal. It's on 4/4 for most of the piece (except the very end). And yeah, it just adds to the complexity of the whole piece, at it became a polymeter 'cause of that.

  • @The_RedVIII
    @The_RedVIII Před 11 měsíci +19

    This is like watching the hardest Guitar Hero song.

  • @udomatthiasdrums5322
    @udomatthiasdrums5322 Před rokem +15

    yess... i love meshuggah and Tigran Hamasyan!!

  • @mikepostdrums
    @mikepostdrums Před 9 měsíci +13

    Great video to visualize and understand what's going on. What a track!
    Some people in the comments asked how you count this while playing..
    I can assure you Tigran isn't counting this, eventually you will just get the feel of a grouping of 2, 3, 5 etc.
    Count during practice if you have to, internalise the grouping or pattern, then let go. Counting = head, feeling = body.

  • @Amebinasbirulina
    @Amebinasbirulina Před 7 měsíci +8

    I don't play any instrument and I know nothing about music, but here I am. I don't know how I get here... But this shit is awesome! My brain is trying to recover

  • @AmalieL323
    @AmalieL323 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Улёт😊 Спасибо 🙏

  • @rickhapstley3866
    @rickhapstley3866 Před rokem +21

    Merci pour m'avoir fait découvrir Tigran, c'est monstrueux ce qu'il fait !

  • @BoolFalse
    @BoolFalse Před 2 měsíci +2

    amazing video man.. thanks for this hard work !!
    it's more like a JazzTOOL song.. Hamasyan is a musical genius !!

  • @pam1974argentina
    @pam1974argentina Před rokem +5

    I bless your crazinesssss... Thanks from Argentina

  • @UkuleleAversion
    @UkuleleAversion Před rokem +9

    @Music Representations The coda continues to use the 5,5,5,5,3,3,3,3,3 configuration however a triplet is played within the space of the 5s. This is repeated three times. Then they played a series of four 5s without the nested triplets.
    Interestingly, this is the first section of the song that fully abandons the 4/4 framework uniting everything. The beat total for this section is 125/16 (35x3+5x4) which does not reduced to 4/4.

    • @JoshuaNichollsMusic
      @JoshuaNichollsMusic Před 3 měsíci

      I would argue it actually maintains the 4/4 structure, as your count doesn’t include the last note played (the BOWW at the end). You could analyse it as 8 bars of 16/16 notes: the pattern as you described gives you 125/16 notes, the last note could be analysed as a dotted 8th note (3/16) that is tied into the next bar (which would technically start a new cycle, but as its the end of the song you can definitely get away with it). So even though the actual duration of the last note is more than 3/16 notes, you could say that it still completes that cycle in a conceptual sense. Hope that makes sense!

  • @djentisnotagenre
    @djentisnotagenre Před rokem +5

    Absolute legend.
    Super helpful data!

  • @StninkyBoi
    @StninkyBoi Před rokem +6

    Anybody else notice that the groove throughout the song is broken down from 256 and the groove changes at 2:57?

    • @UkuleleAversion
      @UkuleleAversion Před rokem +1

      Nobody did because that's not what happens. The groove is almost identitical, the only difference is that the drums and synth (using reverb or delay?) are nesting triplets within the 5s. Also, it's finished early on the fourth repetition with just the four quintuplets that start the riff.

  • @ltousch
    @ltousch Před rokem +19

    Je ne sais pas comment tu fais pour décortiquer tout ça. C'est un travail de dingue que tu fais là !

  • @user-qc7gj6ui8c
    @user-qc7gj6ui8c Před 7 měsíci +1

    Pazzesco sembra lo stile dei miei brani anni 90..giuro😂😂😂da nn credere

  • @aaronbarrett2615
    @aaronbarrett2615 Před 10 měsíci +2

    hell yeah dude, this was a great visual

  • @mdue72
    @mdue72 Před 16 dny

    This is awesome, just listened... it's great 😂❤

  • @tiddly5
    @tiddly5 Před rokem +7

    the end (as i understand) is the same as the blue bit with a 3:5 rhythm playing for each chunk of five, and then only the first beat of the very last group of three playing
    very cool visuals! makes it very easy to understand

  • @themarcoman88
    @themarcoman88 Před 2 měsíci

    In the end it is the same 5*4+3*5 but the drummer plays 3 over 5, so it sounds like a metric modulation and after this is played 3 times it is just 5 for 4 bars

  • @emmywillow6599
    @emmywillow6599 Před 11 měsíci +2

    the end of it is kind of a janky metric modulation thing instead of 555533333 we change to 666644444 (but they treat it more like 333322222 in eighth notes). It ends by going back to the 5s for four times and then one last hit to end it.

  • @con7rl670
    @con7rl670 Před rokem +2

    Amazing as always.

  • @whackamole
    @whackamole Před 3 měsíci

    Mate this is legit. Well. Done.

  • @redshift9227
    @redshift9227 Před rokem +7

    For sure without those bass notes on the piano it would be very hard to keep track of all 35 beats consistently

  • @amadogandema3294
    @amadogandema3294 Před rokem +1

    quelle dinguerie j'en bave

  • @francobuzzetti9424
    @francobuzzetti9424 Před 11 měsíci +12

    please someone reach out to Tigran and let him know he's just making piano prog metal

    • @caseymclane1972
      @caseymclane1972 Před 4 měsíci +2

      He knows! Tigran has cited Meshuggah as one of his main influences and has collaborated with the likes of Tosin Abasi on his most recent album

    • @enijize1234
      @enijize1234 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Please someone reach out to Tigran and ask him to surrogate father my children

  • @vanandgasparyan1430
    @vanandgasparyan1430 Před rokem +1

    Awesome work!!!

  • @mkwilson1394
    @mkwilson1394 Před rokem

    holy. crap. I get the groove! You rock.

  • @enijize1234
    @enijize1234 Před 3 měsíci

    Im out here trying to tap this right foot to the quarter notes and not lose that sweet melody

  • @tomcallmusic4295
    @tomcallmusic4295 Před 2 měsíci

    Nice work! I’m finishing up my doctoral dissertation on jazz and metal and was hoping to use a still from this video in a section discussing djent rhythms, is it possible to get written permission from you to do so?

  • @rifqiadjie323
    @rifqiadjie323 Před rokem

    This is really helpful. Thanks!

  • @Goettel
    @Goettel Před 11 měsíci +1

    You made it easy listening. Mostly ;-)

  • @sola_is_chilling
    @sola_is_chilling Před měsícem

    i think this might be the most complex song time-signature wise

  • @Gabykk
    @Gabykk Před rokem +3

    Si toutes les compositions algorithmiques étaient fournies avec ce type de visu mais imagine à quelle point les gens seraient scotchés sur ce genre. en tout cas je kiffe. Petite question : comment génères tu ces visualiseurs ? C'est un programme ?

    • @music_representations
      @music_representations  Před rokem +4

      Oui mais je fais tout le code moi même donc c’est assez long à faire :)

    • @Gabykk
      @Gabykk Před rokem

      @@music_representations quel crackito

  • @TheObedism
    @TheObedism Před 9 měsíci +1

    His Armenian roots really bleed out in this song. It’s so foreign and refreshing to listen to.

  • @jaydensydes3478
    @jaydensydes3478 Před 9 měsíci +1

    i thought i was good because i could play this on drums, then i discovered what he's doing on piano.......

  • @GordonAitchJay
    @GordonAitchJay Před rokem

    This is dope as hell!

  • @swiatlowiekuiste
    @swiatlowiekuiste Před rokem

    Crazy stuff!

  • @arielkatz50
    @arielkatz50 Před rokem +2

    Clearly it’s in 4/4

  • @-212-
    @-212- Před rokem

    Merci !

  • @whirl.__.nix.__3840
    @whirl.__.nix.__3840 Před 9 měsíci

    Tthhiiissss iiissss sooo coooolllll

  • @I_need_some_air
    @I_need_some_air Před 3 měsíci

    Dear Music Representation, can you breakdown the time signature of Tigran's new single "The Kingdom" next?

  • @manuelmagrini2105
    @manuelmagrini2105 Před rokem

    Greta work!

  • @massimo.pericolo.w
    @massimo.pericolo.w Před 8 měsíci

    ur my fav channel 😭

  • @thecrazzxz3383
    @thecrazzxz3383 Před rokem

    J'aime bien !

  • @BenedictusEsDomine
    @BenedictusEsDomine Před rokem

    Brilliant!

  • @GavabundoFagundes
    @GavabundoFagundes Před rokem +1

    This sounds like the ending of Meshugah Sum

  • @donwald3436
    @donwald3436 Před 4 měsíci

    It does my head in lol.

  • @gypsyjazzmanouche-sebdo

    Super boulot mec, bravo 💪

  • @OscarMSmithMusic
    @OscarMSmithMusic Před 11 měsíci

    What do you use to make these? You're videos are great!

  • @SlyHikari03
    @SlyHikari03 Před 7 měsíci +2

    1:00 is the only part of the song where i can actually feel whats on screen.

  • @MaxBerson
    @MaxBerson Před 10 měsíci +1

    I'm not convinced that Meshuggah didn't write this.

  • @benlockhart8721
    @benlockhart8721 Před rokem

    I think at the end it's using a pattern of 6+6+6+6+4+4+4+4+3 but I'm not sure about the final bar

  • @Alan_Gutierrez
    @Alan_Gutierrez Před 11 měsíci +3

    David Bennett brought me here

  • @153bigfishes
    @153bigfishes Před 11 měsíci

    Cool, got my sub 👍

  • @deanrich666
    @deanrich666 Před rokem +147

    Animals as leaders be like:

    • @mattlogan1
      @mattlogan1 Před rokem +15

      actually this is tigran hamasyan

    • @dedompler
      @dedompler Před rokem +17

      @@mattlogan1 yea no shit, you realize tosin and tigran have performed together on vortex right

    • @SigmundKhebab
      @SigmundKhebab Před rokem +48

      Virgil Donati be like:
      Frank Zappa be like:
      Brian Fernyough be like:
      Bela Bartok be like:
      Frederic Chopin be like:
      (Unverified heretical artists in their bedrooms during the dark ages be like:)
      Random dude groovin in the desert on his congos be like:
      Olmecas in the Amazon on their space flutes be like:
      Homosapiens praisin' the Sun God be like:
      Placodermi population growth statistically analysed be like:
      Protein folds containing snowflake shaped fractal patterns be like:
      Gamma-rays blazing waves through the cosmos be like:

    • @sommerohallock
      @sommerohallock Před rokem +5

      FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

  • @selladore4911
    @selladore4911 Před 8 měsíci +2

    i dont envy music majors

  • @Bebopopotamus
    @Bebopopotamus Před 7 měsíci

    I always count this song 11111111111111111111111111111111111

  • @marcuskruse1
    @marcuskruse1 Před měsícem

    Who wants to have a go explaining this for me?

  • @flyingsteaks
    @flyingsteaks Před rokem

    iirc at the very end they modulate to the 5

  • @tgfjrfjfgjgfj
    @tgfjrfjfgjgfj Před rokem +1

    Donc c'est quoi la Time signature ?
    4*5+5*3+7
    Mais oui c'est clair

    • @music_representations
      @music_representations  Před rokem +4

      4/4 :)

    • @tgfjrfjfgjgfj
      @tgfjrfjfgjgfj Před rokem

      @@music_representations ah bon ? Mais qu'est ce qui est représenté alors ?

    • @music_representations
      @music_representations  Před rokem +2

      Si on doit vraiment choisir une signature rythmique ça serait peut être plus simple de choisir 4/4 pour éviter de changer tout le temps (puisque les riffs rentrent dans 16, 8 ou 4 mesures de 4 temps et que la caisse claire est sur le troisième temps de chaque mesure de 4 temps). Mais je trouve ça plus simple de représenter la pièce avec les arbres rythmiques c’est pour ça que j’ai fait ces illustrations :)

    • @tgfjrfjfgjgfj
      @tgfjrfjfgjgfj Před rokem

      @@music_representations Ah d'accord, je pense que je te suis mais je suis pas sûr de bien comprendre. J'ai un peu de mal avec ça

    • @quentinbonami1769
      @quentinbonami1769 Před rokem

      @@tgfjrfjfgjgfj
      C'est l'arbre rythmique des phrases musicales.
      Il y a toujours un backbeat en 4/4 et les ruptures se font sur du 4/4.
      Donc... C'est probablement 4 temps à la noir. Meme si on a envie de compter plus rapidement... :)

  • @428yt4
    @428yt4 Před rokem

    I can tap along to most of this fairly alright but when green+yellow hits my brain breaks

  • @bh4261
    @bh4261 Před 4 měsíci

    To whomsoever is headbanging to this try to listen to DRIP.

  • @kamilble2441
    @kamilble2441 Před 5 měsíci

    G e n i u s

  • @shubhamk7033
    @shubhamk7033 Před 11 dny

    Last tihai what i think it is
    4/4 (3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2) * 3
    5/4 (5 5 5 5) धा
    *

  • @Mollusck.
    @Mollusck. Před rokem +1

    🤯 (cet emoji a été créé pour ça)

  • @allegoria222
    @allegoria222 Před 2 měsíci

    👀 🤤

  • @ECL213
    @ECL213 Před 10 měsíci

    4/4

  • @ERRORRubiksZeraBrand
    @ERRORRubiksZeraBrand Před 11 měsíci

    U an cyrrently confused so hard right now, this is the truly most, confusing song ever in my entire life, i can't believe how i heard that one at 1:43, and the sheet music? well 256/16 time signature, definetly on the start 0:00. AND I'M NOT FINISHING THIS

  • @ayberkgungor1554
    @ayberkgungor1554 Před 2 měsíci

    this is not normal.

  • @demirdokum7318
    @demirdokum7318 Před 2 dny

    No. Fucking. Way. You actually use an "equation" LMFAO

  • @duality053
    @duality053 Před měsícem

    Bro what 💀

  • @fromthesky1050
    @fromthesky1050 Před 8 dny

    wtf is happening

  • @Jinjr322
    @Jinjr322 Před 10 měsíci

    WTF

  • @rorronator1
    @rorronator1 Před 7 dny

    gtfo its all in 4/4

  • @ernie5229
    @ernie5229 Před rokem +1

    This might have been something if it had an explanation.

    • @dedompler
      @dedompler Před rokem +5

      it's literally right in front of you, count along or drum on your desk. do something interactive with it because otherwise it will never click

    • @prepcoin_nl4362
      @prepcoin_nl4362 Před 11 měsíci +1

      The explanation is that it's based on a rhythmic cell technique similar to Carnatic classical music. Basically, you have a series of fixed durations that we'll call rhythmic cells and then you just use and combine them as you see fit.
      So the opening for example, there are two cells, 5 and 3. So let A = 5 and B = 3. Then
      The whole opening is [[Ax4 Bx5]x7 ABB] x2
      The next section continues to use the same cells and the third breaks adds a third cell, C = 2, which we can see as starting from breaking 5 into 3 + 2.
      And that's pretty much all there is to it. They seem to have employed the general strategy of always using cells such that the total of each section adds up to a multiple of 4, and each section before the piano solo has half the hypermeter of the previous section (i.e. 256, 128, 64). Whether that was from a lack of imagination or the drummer just really wanted to play in 4/4, I don't know.
      Frankly, this technique is ubiquitous in prog metal/rock and in early 20th century classical and there are much more impressive and interesting examples of it than this piece (though it's still cool)

  • @Thallingsworth
    @Thallingsworth Před 9 měsíci

    You're amazing. If you ever want to collab for videos, Please PLEASE hit me up!

  • @quentinbonami1769
    @quentinbonami1769 Před rokem

    Merci !