Yup, this really just helped me figure out playing your line against the track . Truly exceptional concept this , Evan you really are the guy who’s opened the bass back up for me . Oh squarepusher started me of on the crazy train to back in 93 when squarepusher theme was first released , Tom Jenkinson serious original player , just like your good self bro . Legend
The back beat on the kick and snare also becomes really important in giving context to the classic tigran thing where there, for periods of seemingly arbitrary length, there is silence. But when you follow the kick and snare it always comes in exactly on the beat. This is what i find so amazing about tigran, he manages to give a foundation for the listener to feel a grove, but builds crazy nearly indistinguishable rythms ontop. Yet it still feels catchy and approachable to the listener. I loved this video, great work. It really gives me a better understanding of possibly my new favorite song from tigran.
"This is what i find so amazing about tigran, he manages to give a foundation for the listener to feel a grove, but builds crazy nearly indistinguishable rythms ontop. Yet it still feels catchy and approachable to the listener." Soooooo true. It's why I keep coming back, his music grooves in a way I haven't found in other musicians.
@@UkuleleAversion He is #1 at this. He actually takes the time to REALLY dig into all these rhythmic horizons, digest them, and only composes music after he totally masters them . That's why it can be so under the radar.
@@YogevGabay Disclaimer: I mean this in the most complimentary way possible - it's hard to put into words how highly I think of his music. Tigran at his most intricate feels to me like if somebody took the time to precisely transcribe Meshuggah onto sheet music, then layered on even more polymeters, but with painstaking care to make sure it all grids out to consistent cycles of time signatures if you listen long enough (even though it's not necessarily 4/4 like the typical ear is accustomed to hearing), with a dollop of Armenian folk for good measure. I'm hard pressed to think of another artist in any genre outside of Meshuggah themselves that's so good at making syncopated polymeter groove in a way that's still remotely followable.
Thanks for writing it all out for us in a very followable manner. The kick-snare "two bar time signature" explains why I was hearing such a smooth groove, especially in context with the cymbal over the top. Such a sweet way to put a followable pulse under all that madness.
Awesome, loved the moment when you play the tiny piano. This is the third video of yours I have watched, and finally figured out what your voice sounds like: Strong Bad from Homestar Runner. Also awesome.
This is an amazing video. I was listening to this song for a while and was confused about the time signature. This explains everything so well and I felt awesome that I actually understood everything. Thank you!
i'm so glad that you decided to make youtube videos, i have been following you since the venetian snares (totally amazing) cover, and your arregement for tigran hamasyan beatbox are mindblowing, so hear you explaining things (that you clearly know) is a very much appreciated gift. Thank you.
I've been listening to this song on repeat for a while now. I'm going to take on the challenge on piano this weekend :) This video gave me an interest in learning it years ago!
Found the album by chance and been playing it for study music but i cant focus bc Im obsessing over the time signature and came youtubing for it - THANK YOU SO MUCH! Now i can go back to study in peace!
lol im back to see this video a few time later and now im know this awesome drummer that are explain this video and before i had no clue that its so talente
Hey man, really awesome video. Personally I couldn't really hear the piano part as groups of 3, but maybe I'm biased, because I remember obsessing over that facebook video Tigran uploaded playing this phrase on the piano before the song was out (I tried tapping it on guitar too, which failed). It sounds to me like Tigran is accenting the 4 + 5 + 5 + 7 grouping that the arpeggios enforce and sort of "soaring" above the (comparatively) more regular rhythms of the other instruments. Which seems to be something he likes to do based on his other tunes too - going off on his own and meeting the rhythm section on the one. Thank you for making these anyway, I'm binging through them currently.
First of all, thanks man! Second, i don't actually feel it it as groups of three, but mathematically i thought that was the most appropriate way to present it. That's the reason!
The thing that blows my mind is that they can stay tight with so little frames of reference. AFAIK they don’t use click tracks or anything live as it’s jazz and generally pretty free flowing, but somehow they manage to keep it together.
Brother Yogev! You had me subscribing with “I’m a drummer don’t listen to me when it comes to money “ These videos are so good mate. I teach drums so this a great resource for hipping people to Tigran. Thanks heaps! Konrad
The 7 groups of 6 are also highlighted by the piano intro, which kinda makes the song as a whole in 21/8 if you keep counting that way. But as you said it's just too many layers to give it one name. I loved the video!
Now that you're on a break from these, I can binge watch them all in one go :p. And I'm so happy to dive in, because this kind of presentation is awesome!! The production is amazing and the explanations are easy to understand in this manner. Bravo Yogev!!
You’re absolutely correct to say that the piano is 7 groups of 3. That’s how I count it, and probably how Tigran himself counts it too. When I first learnt that section I actually felt it in groups of 4, so the accent was shifting by a sixteenth with every repetition of 21, Meshuggah style :)
Oh bro for sure. The thing is, it's the same pattern as the intro, where I absolutely hear it as 4,4,4,5. But the drums make it almost impossible to not hear it as 3,3,3,3,3,3,3 at that intro. Damnit it's such a cool song hahaha
Hey man. First of all, wow, thank you for the detailed analyzis of this song. One little suggestion: Next time you show an analyzis with the groupings, show the isolated instrument together with that grouping and also slowed down. I found myself many times throughout the video rewinding, keeping the groupings in my mind, and listening to the isolated instrument with 0.5x speed.
basically: the piano, he groups a 4/3 into a group of 3/4. the H/H, he groups a 3/4 into a group of 4/4 and responds to the K/S the second bar. the bass is a combo of 6/8 and a trio of 5/8 (this is probably the trick to make it work?) the K/S is 6/8 constant and somehow fit the H/H on the second bar. This piece is a really sneaky 4/4 done on a 21/7 bar. very interesting.
ממש ממש תודה על הסדרה המעולה הזאת. אל תפסיק. ממש אשמח אם תעשה משהו של דאפר יוסף. חשבתי על סורה אבל תכלס הכל אצלו מטורף ולשמוע אותך מדבר עליו יכול להיות מדהים.
awesome vid for mortals like me. in the part you listed as alternating kick/snare the kick is actually on all the beats, 'four on the floor' style. can see this in the playthrough arthur posted on his channel as well.
Wow! This would have taken me a year to crack... And three to play.... Pheeew... Please do something by Marius Neset! The title song from the 2015 album pinball would be really cool.
Yo! So that depends on the song, but what I will say is that it gets easier and easier the more you do it. At this point, I'm very very quick with most songs though every once in a while I find things that I simply can't tackle yet.
@@YogevGabay your video production is the best man. i wanna be one of you're best students lol. after seeing your breakdown lesson of the rhythms in "clockworks", i wanna give it a try >:-)
Thanks for the explaination. To be honest, you remind me of my father... *lots of music knowledge only a fee have *a bold, unignorable Israely accent *unsuccesfully trying to make references for things in pop culture without deepening your background or giving it some thought Had fun tho Thanks for the lesson :)
"Im a drummer you shouldn't listen to me when it comes to money" 😂
Shades of Strong Bad on that one, for sure.
This is great!!!!!
Yup, this really just helped me figure out playing your line against the track .
Truly exceptional concept this , Evan you really are the guy who’s opened the bass back up for me .
Oh squarepusher started me of on the crazy train to back in 93 when squarepusher theme was first released , Tom Jenkinson serious original player , just like your good self bro . Legend
I get chills listening to this album
When you play with Tigran - do you have sheet music / charts or do you figure it all out by ear?
The back beat on the kick and snare also becomes really important in giving context to the classic tigran thing where there, for periods of seemingly arbitrary length, there is silence. But when you follow the kick and snare it always comes in exactly on the beat.
This is what i find so amazing about tigran, he manages to give a foundation for the listener to feel a grove, but builds crazy nearly indistinguishable rythms ontop. Yet it still feels catchy and approachable to the listener.
I loved this video, great work. It really gives me a better understanding of possibly my new favorite song from tigran.
Yea he is amazing at this!
Happy you liked it
"This is what i find so amazing about tigran, he manages to give a foundation for the listener to feel a grove, but builds crazy nearly indistinguishable rythms ontop. Yet it still feels catchy and approachable to the listener." Soooooo true. It's why I keep coming back, his music grooves in a way I haven't found in other musicians.
@@UkuleleAversion He is #1 at this. He actually takes the time to REALLY dig into all these rhythmic horizons, digest them, and only composes music after he totally masters them . That's why it can be so under the radar.
@@YogevGabay Disclaimer: I mean this in the most complimentary way possible - it's hard to put into words how highly I think of his music.
Tigran at his most intricate feels to me like if somebody took the time to precisely transcribe Meshuggah onto sheet music, then layered on even more polymeters, but with painstaking care to make sure it all grids out to consistent cycles of time signatures if you listen long enough (even though it's not necessarily 4/4 like the typical ear is accustomed to hearing), with a dollop of Armenian folk for good measure. I'm hard pressed to think of another artist in any genre outside of Meshuggah themselves that's so good at making syncopated polymeter groove in a way that's still remotely followable.
@@andrewng7932 Nailed it. He's epic. Constantly improving, and always surprising!
This is so well produced, i'm amazed! The little cardboard instruments are great haha
Thanks a lot!
Awesome video! I would love to hear more Tigran analysis from you! I hadn’t noticed the 42 so that was a trip lol
Oh you will for sure.
@@YogevGabay 🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️
this is perfect for drummers, visually beautiful in every aspect, as well as knowledgeable for us drummers:)
Glad you think so!
Thanks for writing it all out for us in a very followable manner.
The kick-snare "two bar time signature" explains why I was hearing such a smooth groove, especially in context with the cymbal over the top. Such a sweet way to put a followable pulse under all that madness.
Can't imagine better way to explain this song, thank you!
hey man - you are a great teacher! You scaffolded the learning so clearly! And the video editing is great too! Amazing work!
Sincerely the best mode to explain a difficult song
My compliment
42 is the meaning of life had me laugh so loud! Hahaha great videos!!
Amazing, truly amazing
mAN, YOU TOOK THAT PIECE APART JUST HOW i NEED TO SEE IT! eXCELLENT JOB!
These videos and you as a person are amazing. Please keep them coming! 🙏
3 episodes are already up, next one on Tuesday!
Great work, thank you!
Such an excellent lesson!! Thanks man :-)
Been studying your videos for some time and they help my drumming immeasurably. Thanks for all the great content.
Rock on!
Awesome, loved the moment when you play the tiny piano. This is the third video of yours I have watched, and finally figured out what your voice sounds like: Strong Bad from Homestar Runner. Also awesome.
Man, you did such an epic work in explaining this masterpiece by Tigran.
Man this was so well explained, and so well produced! Incredible work!
This is an amazing video. I was listening to this song for a while and was confused about the time signature. This explains everything so well and I felt awesome that I actually understood everything. Thank you!
i'm so glad that you decided to make youtube videos, i have been following you since the venetian snares (totally amazing) cover, and your arregement for tigran hamasyan beatbox are mindblowing, so hear you explaining things (that you clearly know) is a very much appreciated gift. Thank you.
Oh man thanks ! That Venetian Snares video is still one of my favorites
Oh word I can't believe you did a Tigran video! I love his music!!
Oh you'd be happy with the next few weeks
@@YogevGabay keep up the great work brother! I have a degree in music but this is the one place on CZcams I come to keep learning!
I've been listening to this song on repeat for a while now.
I'm going to take on the challenge on piano this weekend :) This video gave me an interest in learning it years ago!
Epic! Good luck man !
Ohhhh. 🤯 You’re on another level dude, keep up the insane work. Dancers to a discordant system next?
Ohhh that song! Probably my Meshuggah favorite!
Unbelivable video.. U re so wise musician.Thx so much man
Found the album by chance and been playing it for study music but i cant focus bc Im obsessing over the time signature and came youtubing for it - THANK YOU SO MUCH! Now i can go back to study in peace!
Ohhhh yes happy to help !!
lol im back to see this video a few time later and now im know this awesome drummer that are explain this video and before i had no clue that its so talente
Hey man, really awesome video. Personally I couldn't really hear the piano part as groups of 3, but maybe I'm biased, because I remember obsessing over that facebook video Tigran uploaded playing this phrase on the piano before the song was out (I tried tapping it on guitar too, which failed). It sounds to me like Tigran is accenting the 4 + 5 + 5 + 7 grouping that the arpeggios enforce and sort of "soaring" above the (comparatively) more regular rhythms of the other instruments. Which seems to be something he likes to do based on his other tunes too - going off on his own and meeting the rhythm section on the one. Thank you for making these anyway, I'm binging through them currently.
First of all, thanks man!
Second, i don't actually feel it it as groups of three, but mathematically i thought that was the most appropriate way to present it. That's the reason!
Thankyou for helping me listen deeper into the piece.
Great video
Man holy shit so glad you got this YT channel. Always loved your drum covers of Tigran's music.
Now to watch your entire backlog. All the best to you.
Thanks a lot ! Happy you like it.
Great lesson brother... Keep making us smarter... Thank you for that🦾
Thanks yogev🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks, man!
Wonderful content Yogev, sooooo informative🎯🦸♀️
Thank U🙌🏼
This piece is actually easier to grasp than I thought. Cheers as always for these awesome videos!
Mortals would have never known! Thanks..
This is just spectacular!
איזה כיף שגיליתי אותך ואת הערוץ הזה!
Oh wow man. This is amazing!
Thank you!
“You’re right. And when you’re right you’re right. And you, you’re always right.”
Loving these videos, mate. Cheers.
OMG IS THAT A SPACEBALLS QUOTE?!?! You've won my eternal appreciation.
yogev u are an amazing human being!
hahahah epic
Amazing !! educational + fun video .loved how you had a cut of the instruments and played on them 😀
Another great one 🌺👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Mmm
The thing that blows my mind is that they can stay tight with so little frames of reference. AFAIK they don’t use click tracks or anything live as it’s jazz and generally pretty free flowing, but somehow they manage to keep it together.
Brother Yogev! You had me subscribing with “I’m a drummer don’t listen to me when it comes to money “
These videos are so good mate. I teach drums so this a great resource for hipping people to Tigran.
Thanks heaps!
Konrad
I appreciate that!
Happy you like it Konrad, and yeah, hipping other people about tigran and all these other bands is part of it all!
great great great channel
gotta love that bass line!
He is a Drummer, He knows exactly what he is talking about
The 7 groups of 6 are also highlighted by the piano intro, which kinda makes the song as a whole in 21/8 if you keep counting that way. But as you said it's just too many layers to give it one name. I loved the video!
Yup, true. And there are additional ways to count this 21, but for the sake of keeping this video under 2 hours, I picked to focus on the outro :)
What a cool video!!!
Amazing, great breakdown and lesson, really enjoying your channel, thank you!
Now that you're on a break from these, I can binge watch them all in one go :p. And I'm so happy to dive in, because this kind of presentation is awesome!! The production is amazing and the explanations are easy to understand in this manner. Bravo Yogev!!
Glad you like them! You should get up to speed I'm gonna be back in a week !
Really great content. Thank you!
Excellent video! Thanks for making it
You're a genius !
And 42 is the meaning of life.
I wondered who would get this hahahaha
@@YogevGabay I laughed lol
Fantastic work! keep it up
גדול! הקשבתי לזה באוטו ולא היה לי מושג מה קורה שם.. הסבר מצויין!
Awesome.
Amazing.you are Always right!
You are an angel
Amazing vid! I love tigran, and this video is just what i needed
Great video, great content and pretty funny stuff ,and yeah 42 is the meaning of life!
so helpful. thanks!
You deserve more recognition for making this video
Hi, Tigran, Evan and Artur all saw this and liked it, so although I agree, I'm happy with this hahahaa
Great explanation!
Great lesson, thanks for sharing !! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This is great! Thanks for this lesson. It’s very helpful 🙏🏻
Awesome!
great videos dude. keep it up!!!!
Amazing video! Great visualisation too, definitely the best video on time fuckery I've seen. Thank you very much, looking forward to the next videos
Time fuckery! Love that.
You’re absolutely correct to say that the piano is 7 groups of 3. That’s how I count it, and probably how Tigran himself counts it too. When I first learnt that section I actually felt it in groups of 4, so the accent was shifting by a sixteenth with every repetition of 21, Meshuggah style :)
Oh bro for sure. The thing is, it's the same pattern as the intro, where I absolutely hear it as 4,4,4,5. But the drums make it almost impossible to not hear it as 3,3,3,3,3,3,3 at that intro. Damnit it's such a cool song hahaha
Subscribed !
OMG I needed this
i related a lot to the 21/16 click track
best friend is israeli and it's always so cool when i can spot the accent lol amazing video man
hahaha not to hard with me
Great video! Thanks!
yes awesome video!!
Fuckin great
Clear and precise explanation!
Hey man. First of all, wow, thank you for the detailed analyzis of this song. One little suggestion: Next time you show an analyzis with the groupings, show the isolated instrument together with that grouping and also slowed down. I found myself many times throughout the video rewinding, keeping the groupings in my mind, and listening to the isolated instrument with 0.5x speed.
I don't understand how you got to the tricky part at 6:00, like before that it wasn't a brain damage. amazing episode!
אששש אחי ממש אהבתי הכל!!!!!
אשמח לשמוע אותך עושה הסברים בזמנך גם ל
Animals as leaders!!
Shpongle
Consider the source
מלך תודה!!!
. . . Also waiting for Vardavar explain 🙏🙏🙏
basically:
the piano, he groups a 4/3 into a group of 3/4.
the H/H, he groups a 3/4 into a group of 4/4 and responds to the K/S the second bar.
the bass is a combo of 6/8 and a trio of 5/8 (this is probably the trick to make it work?)
the K/S is 6/8 constant and somehow fit the H/H on the second bar.
This piece is a really sneaky 4/4 done on a 21/7 bar. very interesting.
ממש ממש תודה על הסדרה המעולה הזאת. אל תפסיק. ממש אשמח אם תעשה משהו של דאפר יוסף. חשבתי על סורה אבל תכלס הכל אצלו מטורף ולשמוע אותך מדבר עליו יכול להיות מדהים.
יש מצב שאני אעשה איזה משהו שלו. מן הסתם אני יכול לדבר על אוד אלג'י, אבל אני אמשיך לחפש!
שמע. פה קורה משהו ממש מעניין - יש פה ארבע שלא קיים בתכלס - czcams.com/video/rupCH_nY1J4/video.html
so nice!!!
Brother!
Thanks a lot!
awesome vid for mortals like me.
in the part you listed as alternating kick/snare the kick is actually on all the beats, 'four on the floor' style. can see this in the playthrough arthur posted on his channel as well.
That is true, though i mainly meant the snare, but you're totally right!
Wow! This would have taken me a year to crack... And three to play.... Pheeew...
Please do something by Marius Neset! The title song from the 2015 album pinball would be really cool.
love it!!
Hey! Stratified Heterophony! : )
I can’t get over how easy you make this to understand. How long does it typically take you to deconstruct something like this?
Yo!
So that depends on the song, but what I will say is that it gets easier and easier the more you do it. At this point, I'm very very quick with most songs though every once in a while I find things that I simply can't tackle yet.
Gracias! ;D
"Now comes the tricky part" 🤣 The answer is always 42!
I should’ve watched your video before I cover this song!!!
hahahahhaha
SHOW ME THE COVERRR
@@YogevGabay your video production is the best man. i wanna be one of you're best students lol. after seeing your breakdown lesson of the rhythms in "clockworks", i wanna give it a try >:-)
@@ek0xxv Well good luck man it's a HARD song! I'll try it at some point as well!
@@YogevGabay czcams.com/video/9pQavTmJWos/video.html
just to note i wasn't really counting it i was more vibin..😅
twenty-one thanks
Where can I double like this video?
yes!~!! x100000
Hi ! Thanks for your videos ! Could you please consider analyzing Odd Elegy from Dhaffer Youssef with Tigran ?
YOu got it !
czcams.com/video/FIrxicRgiZQ/video.html
@@YogevGabay Ho Yes ! How could I not see it ! :) Thanks !
@@Kreuvait Well, lucky you asked !!!
Thanks for the explaination.
To be honest, you remind me of my father...
*lots of music knowledge only a fee have
*a bold, unignorable Israely accent
*unsuccesfully trying to make references for things in pop culture without deepening your background or giving it some thought
Had fun tho
Thanks for the lesson :)
hahahahaha you're dad sounds awesome