In this video I will be talking about why I like Shane in The Walking Dead. I DO NOT own any of these clips. All rights to AMC and the original creators.
If Rick and Shane had sat down and hashed out their Lori issue, just between them, then the group would have done so much better in the long run. They wouldn’t have had such bad blood, and later on I think Shane would serve Rick well as a kind of advisor, similar to Hershel, but more focused on survival. I would of loved to see Shane’s view on the Governor, or even Negan if he made it that far. Dude was a beast.
I disagree. I think in the end even if they talked, Shane would still want Lori and it would go down in a similar way. I don’t think it was the lack of communication that led to Shane trying to kill Rick, I think it was Shane’s poor judgement, jealousy and desire to have Lori and Carl to himself. But yes I agree that Shane would be Rick’s #2, very much like Daryl was. And seeing Shane interact and react with The Governor and Negan would be amazing to see! I want a What If series on the walking dead so bad!
@@karalynspeaks4267 I've never heard about them doing anything like that. But either way I'd still love for them to do it. If they take time and do it right, it can be great. It could be like the Michonne episode where it's an alternate timeline.
Just what I just said, too. Thank God I clicked on this. I have wondered for YEARS if it was just me or did anyone see this. Shane covered Rick's blind spots as a true friend/brother does. And he would have showed Neegan what a grown man looks like.
I feel like if Shane didnt try to kill rick and worked it out everything he would have survived and I feel like he would get killed by negan instead of glenn if he made it that far
Agreed! Jon Bernthal is one of my favorite actors now because of it. If you wanna see more of him play a brilliant character, go watch The Punisher. It was on Netflix but not anymore. I’m pretty sure they will be adding it to Disney plus. But The Punisher is my second favorite tv show of all time and Jon Bernthal plays the main character in it.
@@MrLeroy42 absolutely! Punisher season 2 blew my mind, it was so good, wanted more immediately. At one time, I hoped Bernthal would replace Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, but he is perfect as the Punisher haha.
@@lewislewis3531 Punisher season 2 was good but I prefer the first. It was wayy better when it came to storytelling and writing. Plus the characters. Frank is already amazing, but David Lieberman, Billy Russo, Madani and more! Such a fantastic group of characters! I absolutely adore that show and I hope there is a season 3 eventually. I hope it is just as good and dark as the first 2 seasons. And I agree, he'd be a good wolverine, but I'd say he's better as a marine lmao.
I blame Lori for most of what happened between Shane and Rick. I wouldve loved to see Rick and Shane go back to being brothers and had a good relationship. My favorite theory is that when Shane tried to kill Rick, it is revealed that the gun was empty the whole time and Shane couldn't love with the things he had done. I think Lori was an awful wife and a shitty mother. Rick deserved better. Shane was actually useful contrary to Lori.
That’s very interesting. I do agree with you partially. Shane did do the things he did. Nobody else. But Lori pretty much did manipulate him and it only made things worse. And that’s a good theory. I’m pretty sure I watched a video of Jon Bernthal explaining that before. It was a good concept and I do like the idea of it, but I also think that what they ended up doing was the best. I loved Shane and he was right most of the time. But, he genuinely did want to kill Rick and for a long time he showed it. Overall I believe that they made the right call for how it all went down in the end.
OMG thank holy goodness. I always wonder if it was just me or did anyone else loathe that woman? Remember when Shane says: 'I didn't keep them alive. They kept me alive.' He had a reason to stay alive to protect his brother's heart. But I have known one or two women just like Lori and, even in the before parts they played when she was picking Carl up from school and talking to the other mother, she was whining about Rick. He really had a thing for those 'Olive Oyl' (as Darryl beautifully called her) types, like the blonde in Alexandria. Lori would not leave Shane alone even after she'd knifed him and twisted the blade. Every so often she'd sashay over to him for no REAL reason just to fan the fire. That's what these women do because everything is always about them and their drama game. I call them dragons. BTW I am a woman, a mother, a sister etc. Andrea called Lori out but Darryl really nailed it with Olive Oyl. What she did to so many people is just evil. Her son should have been spared cleaning up her mess... literally. A mother dog wouldn't ever put her pup in such ugliness. Not to mention, Shane was a solid man and a good soldier and he deserved a whole lot better and, I truly believe, someone like him would have ensured that much of what hurt the group (Neegan etc) would not have occurred. He stood in Rick's blind spot as a real friend/brother does. Imagine Neegan trying it on with Shane? No chance. People love Neegan and the actor is excellent but the role is just cheesy ('Time to wear your poopy pants.' Yawn.) Shane would have fed Neegan to himself and smacked him down without even looking n his way past.
@Queen Victoria Well remember when he said he didn't keep THEM alive, they kept him alive. I think his connection to Rick was that of a true brother, family. What else did he have? Rick was married but to a dragon lady/ feral cat and absolute narcissist (and I hate using that word every 5 minutes). I have known at least two Lori's and they are really bad news. They play on good people like Rick/Shane and their protectiveness over their loved-ones to disguise their true nature. I have already mentioned how she even left it for her son Carl to clean up her mess. It's all part of the 'Myth of Lori' the Wondrous Mother and Wife etc. I mean there is NO Way Shane would have made a move on Lori. No, she played him. And, even when Rick came back, Lori would find 100 non-reasons to go over and say something to Shane. It just not only took away his reason for staying alive, with which he was adjusting, but OF COURSE she got pregnant (part of the drama and her leverage) during an apocalypse. She even tried to triangulate by dragging Glenn into it.Maggie wasn't too friendly about that, nor was Andrea and Darryl calling her 'Olive Oyl' was THE BEST moment EVER! That is when I knew that it wasn't just me that knew what she was.
Shane is just what Rick became after a few years. He served well as a minor antagonist in season 2, but if he could be magically placed into season 4 and beyond he and Rick would have seen eye to eye on nearly everything.
I don't agree, Shane was unhinged, desperate for attention, and manipulative. Shane literally attempted to rape Lori because he wanted her so bad. I do agree that Rick changed his approach to dealing with people in a similar way Shane did. Rick told Morgan in season 6 he doesn't take chances anymore which sums up Shanes mentality.
@@comradekenobi8146 no they didn’t see the same way. Rick took way longer to adjust to the new world while Shane already understood everything was about survival. Rick fully becomes Shane in season 5
@@MomoAfterDarkThis is correct. You could compare the barn scene in S2 to the Rick speech scene in S5 (the one where he pointed a gun at everyone after he fought Pete) It’s the same thing and it showcases Rick’s full transformation.
AGREED!!! So many people hate him. But they don't dig deeper into his character and his reasoning for what he did. Like for example: my sister hates him but when I try to explain why I love his character, she just dismisses it. He was and still is one of the best twd characters of all time. He was so important to Rick's character and nobody gives him or the writing of his character any credit. Such a shame. But that's why I made this video. Hopefully it opens some eyes.
Lol. I would say we don't misunderstand Shane at all. He should have known that doing anything with Lori was a betrayal to his best friend. As soon as he saw Rick show up he should have stopped having anything to do with Lori behind Rick's back. Just because Lori's a w**** doesn't mean he has to be the one that she messes around with. And he even fought Rick and tried to kill Rick instead of reasoning with him and trying to rebuild the relationship they had. Shane is self-centered and he has done pretty terrible things to protect himself, like when he shot that guy in the leg so the zombies will kill him and let Shane live, you can't get more selfish than that.
I am surprised that you did not discuss the Otis situation. I mean that really defines Shane as a character in my opinion. Shane is willing to risk his own life by going to a hospital over run by a horde of zombies, backed up only by an elderly overweight man. When alas this goes completely wrong. Then Shane sacrifices Otis by shooting him in the leg & leaving him to be eaten. I think that he really had no choice there. As I recall he even asks Otis if he should sacrifice him self. When he declines: There is no other way out for Shane. Like you said: "The right decision is the one that keeps us alive"
You’re right. If there was someone who was gonna get out alive it was gonna be Shane. He had the best chance to save Carl. Was it wrong for him to sacrifice Otis? Yes. But it was also necessary. I don’t blame Shane at all.
I just started rewatching TWD. And watching it now… I think Otis would have gotten them both k*lled. The only thing is I would have sh*t him in the head for a quick death instead of letting him be eaten alive.
He did, and Otis said he wouldn’t leave Shane, and Shane pounded the ground in frustration because he knew that meant he was going to have to kill Otis. I feel like the show tried to paint him in a negative light but still to this day I haven’t seen anyone else in the show have as much guilt and shock in their eyes as Shane did after driving home
Your so right man, and to be fair after killing Otis he began to struggle with guilt and anxiety, they made that evident in the scene where he's shaving his head, he continues to reconcile and think back on the situation and he seems overwhelmed like any normal decent natured person would be after doing something for the greater good that some would look upon as evil
Shane is a very complicated character and I've always loved him, he always has the right idea but he did go crazy in the end but I mean that's realistic.
I don’t believe he went crazy. He knew what he was doing. He wanted Lori and Carl and he was willing to kill his best friend to get it. But yes he does have the right idea. I strongly believe that season 5 Rick and season 2 Shane would get along very well.
@@jadendewar4694 I mean you could say that, but it wasn't necessarily him going crazy. He was perfectly sane. He knew what he was doing and he was mentally ok. It's just that he became jealous and he wanted Lori and Carl.
@@MrLeroy42 I think you can be crazy and know what your doing at the same time. Jeffery Dahmer for example was crazy as fuck and he knew what he was doing. Now Shane I do think he was crazy to an extent but he was also intelligent, courageous, and benevolent to an extent, but he was also selfish, evil, and crazy to an extent, but above all he’s entertaining as hell. He is written well, portrayed phenomenally and he’s my favorite character to watch along with the Governor and Negan which are also antagonists with similar personalities. Daryl Dickson is my favorite character though. He’s not the most entertaining but I relate to him the most.
@@sam.lipchutz That’s fair. But like you said, it is super entertaining to watch and all the actors who portrayed the characters you just mentioned are amazing! Rick is my favorite, but I still really love Daryl.
There was a deleted scene where rick went to shoot a walker with Shane’s gun to find out it wasn’t actually loaded, so Shane never actually had a loaded gun
It would’ve been interesting to see that play out, but I would still side with Rick in that specific situation. Even if the gun wasn’t loaded, it would’ve been self defense.
It would have added even more tragedy to the whole situation. Rick would have even more guilt over it. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Shane have Rick dead to rights at a good distance and just walk right up to Rick and allow himself to be stabbed basically? If he wanted him dead he was already well within range and no police officer would allow the distance to be closed by a lethal subject much less close it themselves. Rick wasn't even looking I believe. That goes to show Shane's unwillingness , subconsciously perhaps, to murder his best friend even at that point
@@DirtySouthJR Not necessarily. Shane shot right as Rick stabbed, Rick was handing in his revolver and knew Shane was going to shoot so he struck first, which ended up being the same time Shane was going to shoot.
@@levvosi ah, that's correct. For some reason I incorrectly thought Rick was completely facing away and suddenly turned to stab him when he finally walked up to him. There was still a full Convo of Shane trying to justify his reasoning for doing the dastardly deed. So even at his lowest he didn't just shoot Rick down like a dog when he had all the opportunity to do so. He spent ample time explaining himself when he could have shot Rick as he had him in his sights while Rick only carried a knife in hand. IIRC still proving Shane never stooped to the level where he just wanted Rick dead for personal reasons. He really wrestled with it with his obsession for Lori pushing him over the edge imo
The one scene that shows just how quickly and how well Shane had adapted to the apocalypse is the barn scene, when Hershel refuses to believe that the walkers are the dead that have come back to life. That they're just sick people. Shane opens the barn and begins opening fire on them, yelling out: 'Why is it still coming, huh? That's its heart. Its lungs. Why is it still coming for me?! Because they're not sick. They're not human. Not anymore.' And there was no one in the group, least of all Hershel, who could offer a good rebuttal to that. Keeping walkers in the barn was a foolish, misguided thing to do. Shane understood the incredible danger that posed and the only way he could make Hershel understand the same was to set a radical example. To me, that was the one scene in TWD that made the entire group realize things aren't going to get better. There won't be a rescue, things won't go back to the way they were before. This is reality now. You either adapt to full time survival mode or you die. Those are your only choices now. It's not right or fair, but those are the cold hard facts. Shane understood that before anyone else.
Shane's probably my favourite character on the show and that is hands down my favourite scene in the series. Shane was 100% right and handled the whole thing in a good way, demonstrating clearly to herschel that they were not sick people. I was so frustrated watching season 2 knowing they were keeping a barn full of walkers, and seeing Rick marching one to the barn in a snare was the final straw for me. Shane popping the barn in that moment was wonderfully cathartic
It’s obvious that Shane was more advanced than the group especially when he had joined the military. The military shows you that the world is not all good and that it will tear you down if you let it. It’ll tear you down mercilessly and ruthlessly. We have to face the Reality of the Real world as well. The world is not all sunshine and rainbows. It’s an ugly world we live in.
4:45 In regards to Shane thinking that Rick is dead. Well clearly the machine he is attached to does not show a heart beat. This is one of the first things that Shane notices. Which obviously would have an impact on his judgement when he tries to hear a heart beat in that cacophony of sound
@@MrLeroy42 i allways wondered if that means that rick came back to life but not as a walker. Knowing the first director that wouldnt have been so surprising
@@kiradripkage I am not sure if you are joking here? Still if not...Then would that not entail that the Walkers would ignore Rick entirely, given that he is in fact dead & thus one of them? Why would such an experiment be done on a random police officer in a small town hospital? Also should he not have the instinct to eat other people as this is the nature of the virus or what ever it is?
Years later, I'm STILL pissed that Shane is dead! Shane was right: Carl was weak (don't care about Lori) and Rick was gonna get everyone killed. The group seemed to like Rick better when he arrived because he was still a shining example of what a leader was in the old world and what they all hoped could be again; Shane saw things as they were and led the group accordingly. Rick was weak, he had no idea what it took to survive in that new world. That being said, Shane's downward spiral, forcing Rick to kill him, was what made Rick able to do what was necessary to survive. It does thrill my black little heart that Jude is Shane's tho (I always knew it but it was nice to have it confirmed).
You’re exactly right! I mean everything I said in the video can be summed up in your comment. But the beauty of Shane slowly going crazy while Rick struggles to adapt to the new world is that killing Shane is exactly what he needed to do to learn to adapt. Without him doing that it would’ve taken Rick a long time to finally adapt and by that time he’d probably be dead or get someone else killed. The writing in the walking dead season 2 is just 👌
Nah. Shane’s rash, unthought decisions would get the group killed wayyy faster. And rick DIDNT get everyone killed. Sure shane saw things for what they were but he was still a wild card
@@z.incognito6259 Alright. I am interested in your thought. What I think personally, is that most people see Shane the way you just described him. But in my opinion, Shane seemed crazy, but you have to look into why he did things. You're right in the fact that he saw things for what they are and that he was rash about them. But where I think you're wrong is that you said he was unthoughtful. Shane just adapted faster. He made all the right decisions survival-wise. But I am curious to hear what you say.
@@MrLeroy42 i agree that shane had what it took to survive but when i say his decisions were unthought, i mean that I never thought about the consequences of his decisions. I.e how he didnt want rick to go back to atlanta for merle and get the guns but rick even said after the camp attack, they all would’ve died if they never came back with those guns.
@@z.incognito6259 Nope, you're wrong. Randall did know where the farm was and Rick was ready to release him free. At that point, the group wasn't full of fighters like they are now. They were 100 percent getting slaughtered if Randall went back to his group and came back with murderous intent
Yeah but he didn't really do that cause Ed was beating Carol and more because Lori told him to stay out of their life, Shane was pissed off and the situation by the lake where Ed slaps Carol was the perfect excuse for Shane to misdirect his anger. (In no way am I defending Ed here. Where I'm raised you hit a women, you get chased out of town but people always see that scene and see Shane as a defender of what's right whereas I saw it as him venting anger on someone who wasn't Lori)
Your pretty accurate. If Lori wasnt so cold and manipulative they most likely would have just moved on down the line and got on with surviving. Im sure im not the only one interested in how he would have been during the Saviours arc.
Lori didn’t let Shane explain anything which only lit a fire in Shane. But eventually after Shane says he’s leaving, Lori feels bad and tells him to stay. Shane takes this as she might still want to be with him. So, yes. Lori definitely manipulated him whether she meant to or not. And yes, I would’ve loved to see Shane during the saviors arc! It would’ve made it so much more interesting! But sadly we’ll never see it.
@@MrLeroy42 theres all sorts of people i would have loved to see during the saviors and whispers arcs if they somehow made it that far. Dale Andrea Jim Hershal Beth Tyreese Shane T-dog Abraham Glenn The governor if he redeemed himself somehow. Merle. Lori. The list goes on and on! We need one big alternate universe series where everyone survives up to the saviors and maybe the whispers arc who does negan pick off and who do the whispers kill? Oh it would be juicy to see! 😁
A lot of Shane's unraveling can be blamed on Lori's treatment of him after Rick returned. She should have listened when Shane tried to explain what happened, she owed him at least that after he kept her and Carl alive. Then she should have immediately told Rick about her and Shane's relationship and her decision on whether or not she wanted to carry on with it. Lori and Rick's realtionship was in tatters to begin with, so I always thought it was stupid how she tried to fall back into the dutiful wife role out of guilt for "cheating". A simple conversation with the two of them would have stopped the animosity and resentment before it even started. Rick probably would have been upset, but I truly think he would have gotten over it, and Shane just wanted the respect he was due and to not be given the cold shoulder over a decision both he and Lori made to be together. I honestly don't think Lori was happy Rick was alive, I think she was upset about the complications it would bring. But, Rick was the safe choice for her.
Amazing analysis wow, not gonna lie, and yea she probably didn't have high love for rick, carl probably is the only thing that kept the marriage together, she probably like shane as a husband since he "speaks his mind", i wish more people talled about this, i never seen lori analysis this deep before, it's usually just surface level stuff about her toxicity which is fine but doesn't say much, now you brang up their pre apocalypse marriage already having problems, which adds more layers, she probably was the one to start the relationship after she thought rick died, and yea she probably projected her guilt onto shane as soon as rick came and said he has to stay away from them so she can't feel bad or wet he rants for daddy shane, one thing i will disagree with rick on his the abortion, i dont care that season 9 has judith, she even died in the comics, shes why lori died in the show, had she had an abortion, i mean who gets kids in an apocalyptic environment anywas, but yea the baby is what ultimately kept shane there in my opinion, two things that kept shane, survival, and his family, he tried to leave the group after he gave carl the medical supplies but Lori says stay, he tries to leave a second time i think but doesn't decide to, I don't really remember, but hes already too invested into the group to just run up and leave, he would always hold regret, i understand him, you can't just leave, most people in real life usually visit their family even if toxic in the future, but its a zombies world, even less likely you'll see them again, i like the character of lori, love the actor, not the personality, she is super toxic and has many negative qualities u can diagnose with her, but that's what makes her interesting, the drama was so entertaining, it tested shanes character, can he rip out a part of his humanity and heart and leave thr group, can he leave his baby, but na he stayed, his soul purpose of Livin was them, he was selfish and selfless at the same time because he let rick kill him, but the selfishness comes in from the fact that if rick didn't kill him then he woulda killed rick, in the long run his way won, a tough leader, it's selfess but he did put down his actions and effects, anyways all this coulda been solved atleast the relationship drama if the 3 sat down and talked and hershel is the couples therapist 😂
I believe it was during the rough patches Lori and Rick were having pre apocalypse when Rick and Shane were talking about it is when Lori started having feelings for Shane. I think she only chooses Rick most the time is because her moral compass tells her thats the father of her child and husband so she must. Shane was a ladies man so I'm sure with the limited options post apocalypse and investment, Shane wasn't going to say no to that opportunity to be with her. With believing Rick was dead, she knew she wouldn't be able to keep Carl safe on her own, or even herself. She needed a capable man to for that security and Shane was her best bet at that time. When Rick came back, yea of course she was glad he was alive but at the same time, I think she hates the fact now things have became extremely complicated between the 3. Her moral compass made her feel guilty for cheating and pinned it on Shane for "lying to her" about him being dead when Shane didn't even know. She didn't get back with Rick out of pure love, it was guilt of being a shitty wife and getting slammed by her husbands best friend. As you watch the show go on you can tell she was leaning towards Shane's way of operation simply by not backing up Rick 100%. I believe she wanted the qualities of both Rick and Shane to be there and protect her and Carl. Shane did absolutely everything he could to keep them alive while Rick was more morally reasonable, yet in that world was a weakness. Honestly, They both were just her safety net and she probably enjoyed being fought over. I mean she literally could've just let it end by letting Shane leave, but she had him stay when that was probably the best chance they had at finding peace to that situation. Probably why she reacted the way she did when she found out Rick killed him. She felt better having both around, but wished they were on the same page for her benefit
He probably could have fought negan and Simon at the same time and I'd love to have seen a BTS interaction between those characters actors as they all are good at extreme roles, Steve off plays Simon, Trevor in GTA5 Jon bernthal is Shane and the punisher, and Jeffery is negan for Christ sake
It actually wasn't Lori; she was just part of it. Shane wanted to be the leader. He said so himself and was spot on about Rick not being leadership material. Rick at that time was too soft. But in the long run Shane would have ended up too cruel. He was willing to kill Rick to have Lori and Carl and the leadership of the group. Rick represented kindness and a willingness to forgive and trust; Shane represented the opposite.
@gayhomophobe So overrated Bernthal got a gig as the punisher, and numerous key acting gigs in movies such as the wolf of wall street. Solely due to his role in TWD.
I think the biggest 'problem' with Shane is that he was already dealing with all the mess of the walkers for longer as the leader of the group, so he already had survival as a top priority, and of course that he only had Lori and Carl as 'family', so they were a priority for him and he had a lot of conflict between being happy for Rick being back and feeling he was losing his family, while Rick as still getting used to all the situation, true is that when Rick starts to get 'used' to this new world, he wasn't acting that different from Shane.Oh, and also Lori, Lori is a big problem lol
@@b3an3rwi3n3r I really don't understand why people keep saying this. I don't like Shane because he attempted to SA Lori. I like him because he was a great character who was a great survivalist. He was a bad person, but a great character. I would honestly hate him in real life. But this is fiction. Character = good. Person = bad.
He was manipulated with false signals and his mental mind got completely fucked because of Lori, you can clearly see he cared about Rick and his family
Shane's been my favorite character of the show of all time. I agree with everything you said. Lori played Shane and played Rick against him. I wish they'd have kept him on the show to leave the group and eventually meet up again. I absolutely hate what Lori did to Shane and I blame her for everything that happened. I've watched seasons 1-6 many times and always felt they wrote him off too soon. I'm surprised you didn't mention Otis. That incident I'm not sure how I feel about til this day. Anyways nice analysis.
Shane is one of my favorite characters of all time too. And I definitely believe that Lori played Shane against Rick. It was almost entirely her fault. But I think he was killed off at the right time. The reason why Rick is like he is today is because he was forced to kill Shane. That was Shane's purpose. To toughen Rick. And the way the that it went down was written beautifully in my opinion. That being said, I would have loved it if they kept him alive. He's such a badass and I wish he could've lived. Rick and Shane is an even deadlier duo than Rick and Daryl.
100% right! Shane was right about everything survival wise. Shane would get along well with Rick in season 5. It was just him wanting Lori and Carl that was his downfall.
I swear, honestly it's all Lori's fault. She didn't handle the situation right at all and it caused two best friends to feud between each other to the point where Shane wanted to kill Rick. If Rick and Shane had actually talked about the situation maybe with Lori, so they can all come to terms, then the whole group wouldn't have gotten mixed up into their shenanigans. Shane is an amazing character who got twisted up in Lori's games and made Rick and Shane, who were best friends since they were kids, feud against each other then leading Shane to want to kill Rick. So, summary, it was Lori's fault and I stand by that.
Shane was my favorite character, but there is NO WAY you can make ANY excuse for me to say it was okay for him to get with his best friends wife--I'm glad you aren't my best friend.🤣🤣🤣 Also, in the long run, Rick's choice to attempt to save Merle is what set the stage for him and Daryl to become like brothers, and out of everyone, including Shane, Daryl is the one you should want having your back.
Well there were little people left the world went to shit Shane was taking care of his best friend who was almost just guaranteed to die after the missile blow on the hospital, and they wanted to have one good thing in a shitty world, in most eyes it could be seen as him taking care of his best friends son and wife
We ganna look past the fact he tried to rape Lori? Or that he only tried to save himself and lori and Carl? He didnt care about the group and slowly lost his sanity as he realized Rick was a better leader and husband
Shane is definitely a top 5 character for me. That hallucination Rick had in his last episode of season 9 was nice way to wrap up the whole dichotomy of Rick being more soft and leanient when Shane was in the show but eventually surcumbing to the way Shane would do things after the prison. It was a pleasant surprise undeed. I know everyone says this but yeah Shane was ahead of the curve he was living in season 5 during his time in season 2.
Also when Shane took Randall into the woods Randall admitted to knowing where his camp was and his demeanor clearly showed he was the type to get back to his camp and help organize an assault against our group. Once again proving Shane was right about Randall
Shane was my favorite character. Not just because of the actor who plays him. I wish that they didn't kill him off so fast because it would have been so interesting to see how Shane and his personality clashed with the other characters that were introduced after his death like The Governor and Negan
Shane was one of the first to understand what world they were living in and what kind of living people inhabited it. Too many people in the group had some kind of 'lets sit around the campfire and be friends' attitude. In that regard, I can't fault him.
I cared more about Shane than Lori. Shane was a great character. I wish Shane and Rick were able to work together for longer I think Shane was able to adapt quickly to the world but his love for Lori is what made him very dangerous to Rick What's also sad and people forget that Carl is very hurt by Shane's passing too. Carl loved Shane as well
Shane did fuck up when he didn’t back off Lori after Rick warned him. However Shane was so far ahead of most of the other survivors when he was trying to tell them how they had to be to survive.
I assume you’re talking about the text to speech voice I used. Thank you. It’s not always easy recording your voice and editing. It takes a long time and I don’t always have that time. Hope you enjoyed the video!
The machines showed that he was alive, he didn’t disconnect him because he didn’t know if he would survive without the machines which is why he inspected them to see if he could bring them but realized it was too much and he wouldn’t last without it. That’s why he barricaded the door just in case he woke up, to protect Rick
Shane was awake when everything started, so he likely witnessed things that would more quickly demoralize one, where as Rick was unconscious for a month or so and wakes up after everything went crazy and settled back down. He can always see a rational conclusion because he didn't see the mad desperation that most everyone has experienced at some point during the initial downfall of society. If you get my meaning
Rick became his own version of Shane. All of the pre-apocalypse scenes in episode 1 illustrate everything that Rick is going to need (to do). By the time he kills his former partner, lobs off Hershel's leg, puts the prisoners in check and gets Lori's ghost blessing, he's off to the races. That's how we all are in the real world. We take pieces of those we know and incorporate them as needed, whether we're aware of it or not but especially when they pass.
If I am remembering correctly I think Jon Bernthal actually tried out for Rick but they felt more of a bad boy vibe from him so they casted him as Shane.
That car conversation was Intel for Shane, when he got his opportunity with Lori, he did everything Lori wanted Rick to do and react to. He definitely took advantage of the situation
I disagree. The way Rick describes how Lori is acting is like a cheating woman. Shane on the other hand has that look in his eye that he knows that. When he tells Rick to speak, and he responds with Lori says the same....speak, speak. He used that word, cause Lori is on his shoulder about rick
I’m sure Shane is a lot more like Rick than we think. I’m sure at the beginning he had his own moral dilemmas, but given the absolute chaos of being in the city, there’s not much you can do as a single person, his sense of duty quickly went away and was replaced by a sense of self preservation. Had the roles been switched Rick would’ve been just as pragmatic. I can imagine Shane wanting to help and save people, but being utterly helpless in doing so, watching hundreds of people, die and unable to do anything. His evolution was expedited and he was living in S5
Disagree about one thing: Rick was right on going back for Merle. First: was the right thing to do. They left him there, trapped and exposed and Merle hadn't killed anyone to deserve that. Second: Merle was Daryl's brother. If Rick didn't go back for him there's no way daryl would've stayed with the group and third, they did bring the guns back, it was vital to their survival. We agree on the others, Shane was right about everything else and even 3th season Rick agree. He becomes a lot like Shane and gets much better for it.
Shane tried his best to save everyone he was very much like Rick at the beginning but he adapted much faster to the new world than everyone else it took 4 seasons for Rick to catch up to Shane's thinking Shane saw he couldn't save rick but could save his family after months going by he probably believed Rick was dead too seeing how bad things got and he was in a coma
I agree with 100% of what you said in this video. Lori, had that " Come here, now go away!" attitude with shane. I blame some of this on why Shane, ended up the way he did. Shane, would have been a force to reckon with. I would have loved to see him with the Governor.
i know this is late but shanes actor originally wanted the gun to be empty, and for rick to find out after killing him and trying to shoot him to keep him from turning into a walker
They were trying to survive in a world where suddenly DEAD PEOPLE were walking around trying to EAT THEM ALIVE. She thought her husband was dead, he had no one , felt like he had failed his best friend so tried to honour his friend by protecting his family for him . In a situation like that it would be totally normal for her to seek love and comfort from someone familiar and vice versa. It’s a normal human reaction .
I also agree w shane when he killed Otis. It's either shane lives and carl lives or Otis lives and shane and maybe carl die too because Otis wasn't making it back without someone else helping him
Even if Shane didn't kill Otis they would have both died leading Carl to die to so its either risk having all 3 die or kill 1 to save the other 2 and Shane wasn't gonna pick a man who shot Carl and barely met him over himself
If Shane was convinced that Rick was dead he wouldn't have blocked the door in the hospital for him. Also, he pretty much tells Lori that he said he died so she wouldn't go back and risk her and Carl's lives.
Good point, but the reason he blocked the door could be so that reanimated Rick and possibly other corpses there couldn't escape. If he really thought he was dead, he probably knew he would reanimate at some point. That doesn't explain for not shooting him in the head, but maybe he didn't want to do it to his friends body. He was ruthless later on in the series, but in the first few days of the apocalypse he probably had similar qualms about shooting his dead loved one like the farm people did. If he just wanted him to die, he wouldn't have to bother doing all that stuff in Rick's room, he could just shoot him in the head and leave. Remember, army and cops used to execute even living people in the beginning. I guess only the writers know what went through Shane's mind at that moment
I'm surprised anyone is watching TWD for the first time nowadays... I thought everyone forgot about it and only those who started watching it in 2010 are still watching it, like me
Lori always made everything worse. She was awful. Giving Shane expectations because she didnt fully explain what she meant, cutting him off and ignoring him when he tried to explain, telling Rick that Shane wanted her and Carl for himself. She pitted those men against each other, used them to suit whatever effed up game she was playing. One I still haven't been able to figure out, unless you consider she liked being fought over. I was so happy when she was gone, but it started this downward spiral for Rick that bothered me. How he was after she died was just so off the rails, I wasn't a fan of that storyline. The phone calls in his head and not recognizing the voices were people they had lost, and leaving Carl in the others' care while he spun out. I mean, yeah, I understand grief, but he put everyone in danger, and I don't see Rick normally doing something like that. Then again, his decision to not kill Negan because he read Carl's letter...it was a call back to this time. Making a decision that hurt other people because he thought it's what Carl would want. It made Maggie leave and I hated that. (Side note: I do think Negan turned into a pretty great character, though. Especially his interactions with Judith and Lydia.)
It's been a really long time since I watched this show, so I forgot quite a bit, but I do remember loving the first couple of Seasons. I kinda lost interest a few seasons in, maybe 3 or 4, but your video reminded me of the things I loved about the beginning of the show. Shane and Rick were clearly very good friends in the beginning and things probably would've gone so much better if Rick hadn't been in that hospital to begin with. They might have both realized on their own that Lori was bad news. At the time I last watched this, I didn't realize how manipulative she was or how destructive her flip-flopping between wanting Shane around and not wanting him around was to his mind until I was in a relationship with someone like her haha! I don't think people like Lori can help but be who they are, but once we let someone like that into our life, it can really feel like we're losing it until we realize what's actually happening. Being in the middle of the apocalypse would definitely make things 100% worse.
Shane and Rick was best friends what i think happened is that Shane got a taste of power and in combination with what was needed to survive a zoombie apolocipse. like Shane knew what to expect better then Rick did at the begining but Shane like most people who got a taste of power like it and didn't want to lose it
Considering Shane knew exactly what Lori was saying and thinking when arguing with Rick without Rick telling Shane may be more telling than you’d think. Shane and Lori could have been having an affair before the apocalypse and she complained to him about Rick and that’s why he knew about their problems. I’m not saying it’s for sure a thing but definitely possible. That could also be why she was always angry with Rick when he tried to talk to her because she was feeling guilty and was looking for any reason to start a fight and not to talk.
When Lori tells Shane that she told Rick about them and Shane says that "so you told him that you did it because you were grieving,needed comfort and was a mistake?... And she says yes, he said " you know that is not true, it was a long time coming"... They both liked each other from before that's why they couldn't even wait a month after they thought Rick was dead to get together.
@@LivyerLateraluspeople forget that, "...it was a long time coming." Line for some reason. It was obviously there. He told Rick there was nothing there before because he knew that's what Rick wanted to hear and get Rick off his back.
I respect your opions and others! I myself loved Shane at the start but then slowly started hating him. Lori is the reason Shane died and the reason Shane wanted to kill Rick, but lets be honest, if rick and shane had just become friends or if shane found someone else that he actually really likes, they would be the best group in the entire series, I mean they still are, without shane but they would be better with him if rick and him sorted things out.
OMG thank holy goodness. I always wonder if it was just me or did anyone else loathe that woman? Remember when Shane says: 'I didn't keep them alive. They kept me alive.' He had a reason to stay alive to protect his brother's heart. But I have known one or two women just like Lori and, even in the before parts they played when she was picking Carl up from school and talking to the other mother, she was whining about Rick. He really had a thing for those 'Olive Oyl' (as Darryl beautifully called her) types, like the blonde in Alexandria. Lori would not leave Shane alone even after she'd knifed him and twisted the blade. Every so often she'd sashay over to him for no REAL reason just to fan the fire. That's what these women do because everything is always about them and their drama game. I call them dragons. BTW I am a woman, a mother, a sister etc. Andrea called Lori out but Darryl really nailed it with Olive Oyl. What she did to so many people is just evil. Her son should have been spared cleaning up her mess... literally. A mother dog wouldn't ever put her pup in such ugliness. Not to mention, Shane was a solid man and a good soldier and he deserved a whole lot better and, I truly believe, someone like him would have ensured that much of what hurt the group (Neegan etc) would not have occurred. He stood in Rick's blind spot as a real friend/brother does. Imagine Neegan trying it on with Shane? No chance. People love Neegan and the actor is excellent but the role is just cheesy ('Time to wear your poopy pants.' Yawn.) Shane would have fed Neegan to himself and smacked him down without even looking on his way past.
I hated Lori as well! She did not help anything at all! Lori only caused more problems. When Rick came back she completely shut out Shane and didn't hear his side of the story. Something I missed before is that Lori fell for Shane. She initiated it. So for her to think that Shane lied about Rick dying just to be with her doesn't make sense. And yeah she only caused more drama and for what?! She didn't know what she wanted so she acted off of emotion in the moment which only put Rick and Shane more at odds. And I appreciate hearing this kind of opinion from a woman because most women refuse to say or acknowledge things like this a lot of the time. Not all women are like Lori but there are a lot of them out there! And I agree that if Shane and Rick worked together they would be a force to be reckoned with. I honestly think Shane is the smarter guy and the better survivalist so yeah he would probably either avoid people like Negan or take them out quickly altogether. But I gotta disagree with your opinion on Negan. I love Negan! He's one of the best villains in the show in my opinion but let's just agree to disagree.
@@MrLeroy42 Thank you. I am happy that you appreciated hearing all that from a woman. I actually wrote a WHOLE further response to that, which I am sure you would have enjoyed, but I pressed the wrong button somehow and it ate my whole, at length reply. Kill me. If I may say, it was a good one, too! I myself knew such a person who I briefly thought was a friend. Then she began constantly nagging about her husband who was, in fact, a truly decent human being who was literally killing himself working an ungodly nightmare job to maintain her lifestyle demands... to the point where his doctor told him he needed to re-assess his life in light of his stress levels. She had a hobby-job (I know since she worked with me) and had everyone in the building thinking she was in distress and danger at home, which really sickened me. Then she took up with another, very decent man who, when both his parents were diagnosed with Alzheimer's within months of each other, told her that he had begun to feel very isolated and such having so much demand on him alone.... well he went from Mr Salvation to the identical same rant she had about her husband in a snap. PLus, there was the (of course!) oops pregnancy too since, though she was undergoing fertility treatments with her husband, she never thought to use any protection with the other man. She terminated that pregnancy and, just like Lori, all she cared about was her young daughter. Well, women like Lori use their kids that way to maintain the fiction that they aren't basically feral cats in constant heat to be at the centre of other peoples' pain and their own dramatization. Drama addicts. And me me me first always. I am a mother and please excuse the TMI but I kept my ovaries clean for my son and daughter. No questions there. On that note, last she spoke to me she told me that she had used my then teenaged son as a part-alibi, saying he had driven her home from my house (she has never seen my house) and wanted me to prepare him to lie for her in case her husband asked him how he managed to drive her home and still be on time for school so very far away. Well, 'all I care about is my daughter' but my son, who had only recently then been a victim of a very nearly lethal attack, should lie for her? No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My mother has a word for such women and it isn't pretty. Pigs. Ouch. I mean, no offense to actual pigs but that word is like a slap down into the sewer. Oh and the complaints about the 2nd man were identical to those about the husband within two weeks. At Christmas, on my actual birthday, she tried to corner me complaining about who was giving her the better presents (husband) and if I hear 'I only stay in 5 star hotels' ever again, shoot me! Lori was already nagging about Rick in that early scene when Shane comes to tel her Rick was shot. That's what they do. They make themselves grandiose by berating everyone else. But I will say, neither she nor Lori were ever short of bed-mates.
@@tarawalsh7045 Damn! That sounds absolutely crazy! I am lucky enough to not have to worry about working with someone so spoiled, greedy and self centered. These women, "Pigs" as you call them only care about themselves and act like the world revolves around them. They don't listen to other people's side to the story and only care enough to cause more drama. It's ridiculous. And somehow they attract guys to them like flies to shit. But they only manage to mess things up for everyone around them. It's really no wonder Shane went crazy!
@@MrLeroy42 'only care enough to cause more drama'. You got it in a nutshell there. As if life doesn't dish out enough trauma to us as it is. I have found though that these women tend to have 'evil, terrible, irresponsible monstrous husbands' that kill themselves working to keep her 'happy', which is exactly why they complain about them non-stop. I always think: Sweetie, there's a few men out there that would take you for what you're worth! Now if only one would show up NOW!'
Honestly if Rick didn’t go back to save Merel. Darryl wouldn’t have turned out how he was supposed to. I’m not saying that all of Rick’s decision’s are the best. He made’s a few bad decision’s from time to time but, Shane had some good decisions to. Though one of the bad one being Fort Benning not the idea being bad but, if they went there instead of the CDC it would have been overran with walker’s and all of them would have most likely would have been met a horrible death. The reason why I say it was overran with walker’s is because the two dude’s in the bar said it was.
I really agree with this and I love Shane too. I just wish he wouldn't always completely abandon morals. As shown with Rick it is possible to have some values and also have a survivalistic mindset, but a healthy balance is the important part. I think Shane had a healthy balance in Season 1 but in Season 2 he definitely hardened more and became more about survival than morals. That theme is kinda covered in Season 4 with the whole "too far gone" thing; Rick and Carl almost lost themselves the prior season which I do think Shane did (to clarify, I don't mean they almost went crazy, I think they just almost lost their sense of humanity). That being said I understand Shane's Point of view, he basically did lose Lori for a while and then when it seemed she "came back" to him she hadnt so he was on this rollercoaster of emotions and I think his way of dealing with that loss was becoming colder to everyone which we see in Season 2. I also dont blame Lori for everything in Season 2 except her asking Rick to deal with Shane and then being mad at him over it, I just think it was a lot of miscommunication between everyone and not enough sitting down and talking because the world around them was still ticking away and theres never enough time to work through that stuff with everyone they had to do. I think she was a good wife and a good mother and I think Shane was a good friend to Rick. I dont fully blame any of them as it was an extremely volatile situation and nobody was able to sit down and talk. As for Rick, I dont think he was too weak to protect his family in Season 1 and 2. He charged into the new world and took it on head on even though he had almost no idea what was going on. If a large enough threat came to hurt his family he wouldve done whatever he needed to. I even believe Season 1 Rick wouldve ripped that guys throat out if he had met him then and the same scenario had come up. Its just that Rick didnt see that he took bigger risks with his way of living than Shane did. Which is why I think a healthy balance between brutal survival and morals/humanity is best and Rick achieved that much later on once he fully healed from his grief of Lori, Hershel, and etc. All of that being said please tell me if im wrong or not, the beauty of early TWD is that everything has a right and wrong to every side and this is possibly the most complex issue every explored in the show. :)
Shane's strength (his aggression and wildness) is also what got him killed. He trusted in his wildness, which is why he couldn't see it destroying him. Morality exists to help people control themselves, so their wildness doesn't cause them to make mistakes they can't undo.
Shane adapted faster since he was a first responder and could see what was happening unfiltered from the start. Rick would have might have made the same adjustment quicker, but he was in a comma. Hersel and family were isolated in a rural area.
One thing ill say about the Merle situation; i think that it was the right call down the line because that act alone had Rick earn Daryls respect. If Rick agreed with Shane, i think Daryl wouldve held resentment towards the group from that point on instead of the route he ended up taking. He ended up becoming one of the most vital pieces of the group. I dont think he wouldve became that for Rick if Rick didnt agree to go with him to retrieve Merle. When it comes to making decisions, sometimes you have to take into consideration which decision creates a loyal ally for you. Creating loyalty and a worthy ally of Daryl was worth it. If i had 2 choices, one made Daryl and ally and another made someone like Dale an ally.. im choosing the choice that supports Daryl because hes just way more useful.
That’s a take I’ve never heard before. You’re not wrong. The question is: Is the risk of going back for Merle worth it? And I guess that can be debated.
@@MrLeroy42 If it kept Daryl around for the rest of the show, knowing in season 3 they both talked about actually robbing that Atlanta group blind before Merle disappeared, id say it was worth every damn second.
Good video. I’ve noticed that Rick ends up acting a lot more like Shane towards the end of the show. At the very least he had to adopt a mindset similar to Shane’s as time went on, which basically confirms that Shane probably would’ve been a better survivor than Rick if only he were as level-headed as Rick. The epitome of idealist vs realist imo. What lead to his death really was his emotional instability leading him to irrational choices. It’s sad to think that if Shane took the time to just calm himself down or focus on something else, he could’ve lived. They could’ve talked about it and resolved their problems and Shane could’ve been with Michonne 😢
I think the reason for shane's obsession with rick's family was that after all hell broke loose and everything became chaos, he ended up finding a reason to survive and fight for, which was lori and carl. And Rick's comeback made him lose his mind, because he eventually took it away from him. He was a good character, too bad he lost himself 😢
I think you're right. I really do believe that Shane truly loved Lori and Carl. They gave him a reason to keep going. But when Rick came back, he took his family back (rightfully so) and this caused Shane's downfall. What made it even worse was that Lori just cut him off after that. And instead of being mad at Lori, he directed his anger at Rick which made him lose sight of himself. Tragedy of a character. He let his emotions take over and let it rule him.
I completely agree with you. I really feel Shane is misunderstood and so is his situation with Rick. Shane was living in the world they were in now while Rick was still operating in the past. Lori didn’t help and the way she treated Shane was unfair, I do think she could’ve sat and had a conversation with him about the Rick situation. When you look at what happened Shane clearly didn’t just leave Rick, he did the best he could and I think it’s really unfair that he gets demonized for it.
are we forgetting that he tried to sexually assault Lorie? like yeah he was right in a lot of occasions like how he saved Carl even tho it seemed cruel but we can't forget that Lorie probably wanted him dead coz she wasn't safe with him there
I’m not justifying anything he did. I know he’s not a good person. But I love Shane because he’s a great character. Liking a character and liking their person are 2 different things.
Its honestly lori’s fault. She was already on bad terms with rick before the apocalypse because rick “never yelled at her” which is stupid. And as soon as she thought rick was dead she instantly got with shane
You're wrong about rick going back to Atlanta for Merle. Even if Merle wasn't trapped rick still was going to go! He absolutely had to get that radio cause he felt indebted to Morgan. Not to mention all the guns in that bag!
Honestly they should of had Shane get separated from the group and never be seen again by them. But like later appear in Fear of the Walking Dead and the video games
Shane gives up his morality very easily. You can describe it as adapting fast. But I think he just makes it very easy for himself. The last quote is basically a self-fullfilling prophecy. Rick on the other hand changes, too. But he holds on to his morality much longer. And in my opinion this is an important difference. If all people where like Rick, good guys would stay in control and society could live on. If all people were like Shane, everyone would just protect the people closest to them and people would kill members of other groups out of mistrust or as "preemptive" attacks.
At 4:20 the heart rate monitor was working and Rick was alive. Shane actually pulled the plug on Rick in order to try and move him he actually probably thought he killed Rick by accident.
Rick Grimes my all favorite he is my Walking Dead hero but Shane was right about what he done he didn't know what was going on he did not know that Rick was alive
Fair point. Survival wise Shane would survive to the end because his intelligent already way above everyone for the apocalypse. Just his obsession towards Lori and Carl drove him crazy . But if Rick didn’t have that morality and didn’t go back to get Merle he wouldn’t have the best right hand man in Daryl. I think when Rick decided to go back to the city to save someone like Merle and Daryl knew how bad merle was ,he knew Rick was a guy he can trust and follow. Do you think their relationship would be as tight as they were if rick decided to ignore Merle?
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If Rick and Shane had sat down and hashed out their Lori issue, just between them, then the group would have done so much better in the long run. They wouldn’t have had such bad blood, and later on I think Shane would serve Rick well as a kind of advisor, similar to Hershel, but more focused on survival. I would of loved to see Shane’s view on the Governor, or even Negan if he made it that far. Dude was a beast.
I disagree. I think in the end even if they talked, Shane would still want Lori and it would go down in a similar way. I don’t think it was the lack of communication that led to Shane trying to kill Rick, I think it was Shane’s poor judgement, jealousy and desire to have Lori and Carl to himself.
But yes I agree that Shane would be Rick’s #2, very much like Daryl was. And seeing Shane interact and react with The Governor and Negan would be amazing to see! I want a What If series on the walking dead so bad!
@@MrLeroy42 that’s a good idea it would be a fun to see what would have happened but TWD tried something similar but I wasn’t sure what it was called
@@karalynspeaks4267 I've never heard about them doing anything like that. But either way I'd still love for them to do it. If they take time and do it right, it can be great. It could be like the Michonne episode where it's an alternate timeline.
Just what I just said, too. Thank God I clicked on this. I have wondered for YEARS if it was just me or did anyone see this. Shane covered Rick's blind spots as a true friend/brother does. And he would have showed Neegan what a grown man looks like.
I feel like if Shane didnt try to kill rick and worked it out everything he would have survived and I feel like he would get killed by negan instead of glenn if he made it that far
Jon Bernthal gave Shane a lot of depth and charisma. He was like an angry ball of cunning, envy and desperation
Agreed! Jon Bernthal is one of my favorite actors now because of it. If you wanna see more of him play a brilliant character, go watch The Punisher. It was on Netflix but not anymore. I’m pretty sure they will be adding it to Disney plus. But The Punisher is my second favorite tv show of all time and Jon Bernthal plays the main character in it.
@@MrLeroy42 absolutely! Punisher season 2 blew my mind, it was so good, wanted more immediately. At one time, I hoped Bernthal would replace Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, but he is perfect as the Punisher haha.
@@lewislewis3531 Punisher season 2 was good but I prefer the first. It was wayy better when it came to storytelling and writing. Plus the characters. Frank is already amazing, but David Lieberman, Billy Russo, Madani and more! Such a fantastic group of characters! I absolutely adore that show and I hope there is a season 3 eventually. I hope it is just as good and dark as the first 2 seasons. And I agree, he'd be a good wolverine, but I'd say he's better as a marine lmao.
Oooh, that is beautifully stated. Well done! Angry ball of cunning, envy and desperation. Wow! You'd better start writing novels TODAY!!!!!!!
@@tarawalsh7045 aw thank you! That Literature qualification of mine finally being useful! Hope you are well :)
I blame Lori for most of what happened between Shane and Rick. I wouldve loved to see Rick and Shane go back to being brothers and had a good relationship. My favorite theory is that when Shane tried to kill Rick, it is revealed that the gun was empty the whole time and Shane couldn't love with the things he had done. I think Lori was an awful wife and a shitty mother. Rick deserved better. Shane was actually useful contrary to Lori.
Couldn't live*
That’s very interesting. I do agree with you partially. Shane did do the things he did. Nobody else. But Lori pretty much did manipulate him and it only made things worse.
And that’s a good theory. I’m pretty sure I watched a video of Jon Bernthal explaining that before. It was a good concept and I do like the idea of it, but I also think that what they ended up doing was the best. I loved Shane and he was right most of the time. But, he genuinely did want to kill Rick and for a long time he showed it. Overall I believe that they made the right call for how it all went down in the end.
OMG thank holy goodness. I always wonder if it was just me or did anyone else loathe that woman? Remember when Shane says: 'I didn't keep them alive. They kept me alive.' He had a reason to stay alive to protect his brother's heart. But I have known one or two women just like Lori and, even in the before parts they played when she was picking Carl up from school and talking to the other mother, she was whining about Rick. He really had a thing for those 'Olive Oyl' (as Darryl beautifully called her) types, like the blonde in Alexandria. Lori would not leave Shane alone even after she'd knifed him and twisted the blade. Every so often she'd sashay over to him for no REAL reason just to fan the fire. That's what these women do because everything is always about them and their drama game. I call them dragons. BTW I am a woman, a mother, a sister etc. Andrea called Lori out but Darryl really nailed it with Olive Oyl. What she did to so many people is just evil. Her son should have been spared cleaning up her mess... literally. A mother dog wouldn't ever put her pup in such ugliness. Not to mention, Shane was a solid man and a good soldier and he deserved a whole lot better and, I truly believe, someone like him would have ensured that much of what hurt the group (Neegan etc) would not have occurred. He stood in Rick's blind spot as a real friend/brother does. Imagine Neegan trying it on with Shane? No chance. People love Neegan and the actor is excellent but the role is just cheesy ('Time to wear your poopy pants.' Yawn.) Shane would have fed Neegan to himself and smacked him down without even looking n his way past.
@Queen Victoria Well remember when he said he didn't keep THEM alive, they kept him alive. I think his connection to Rick was that of a true brother, family. What else did he have? Rick was married but to a dragon lady/ feral cat and absolute narcissist (and I hate using that word every 5 minutes). I have known at least two Lori's and they are really bad news. They play on good people like Rick/Shane and their protectiveness over their loved-ones to disguise their true nature. I have already mentioned how she even left it for her son Carl to clean up her mess. It's all part of the 'Myth of Lori' the Wondrous Mother and Wife etc. I mean there is NO Way Shane would have made a move on Lori. No, she played him. And, even when Rick came back, Lori would find 100 non-reasons to go over and say something to Shane. It just not only took away his reason for staying alive, with which he was adjusting, but OF COURSE she got pregnant (part of the drama and her leverage) during an apocalypse. She even tried to triangulate by dragging Glenn into it.Maggie wasn't too friendly about that, nor was Andrea and Darryl calling her 'Olive Oyl' was THE BEST moment EVER! That is when I knew that it wasn't just me that knew what she was.
Both characters are so compatible with eachother. Rick and Shane could have helped an already kick ass 2 seasons.
Shane is just what Rick became after a few years. He served well as a minor antagonist in season 2, but if he could be magically placed into season 4 and beyond he and Rick would have seen eye to eye on nearly everything.
They saw eye to eye on most things beforehand. The big reason they had such conflict was power dynamics in the group + their Lori issue.
I don't agree, Shane was unhinged, desperate for attention, and manipulative. Shane literally attempted to rape Lori because he wanted her so bad. I do agree that Rick changed his approach to dealing with people in a similar way Shane did. Rick told Morgan in season 6 he doesn't take chances anymore which sums up Shanes mentality.
@@comradekenobi8146 no they didn’t see the same way. Rick took way longer to adjust to the new world while Shane already understood everything was about survival.
Rick fully becomes Shane in season 5
@@comradekenobi8146 Rick had walkers on a leash to appease hershel, that is not something Rick would do in the later seasons.
@@MomoAfterDarkThis is correct. You could compare the barn scene in S2 to the Rick speech scene in S5 (the one where he pointed a gun at everyone after he fought Pete) It’s the same thing and it showcases Rick’s full transformation.
It’s hilarious how people misunderstood shane with no facts
AGREED!!! So many people hate him. But they don't dig deeper into his character and his reasoning for what he did. Like for example: my sister hates him but when I try to explain why I love his character, she just dismisses it. He was and still is one of the best twd characters of all time. He was so important to Rick's character and nobody gives him or the writing of his character any credit. Such a shame. But that's why I made this video. Hopefully it opens some eyes.
@@MrLeroy42 frrrr
Precisely
it’s literally the opposite
Lol. I would say we don't misunderstand Shane at all. He should have known that doing anything with Lori was a betrayal to his best friend. As soon as he saw Rick show up he should have stopped having anything to do with Lori behind Rick's back. Just because Lori's a w**** doesn't mean he has to be the one that she messes around with. And he even fought Rick and tried to kill Rick instead of reasoning with him and trying to rebuild the relationship they had. Shane is self-centered and he has done pretty terrible things to protect himself, like when he shot that guy in the leg so the zombies will kill him and let Shane live, you can't get more selfish than that.
Jon Bernthal was a master at building tension in his scenes. Shane is one helluva character
Shane is not that bad, the real villian is Lori.
Facts
ehhh yeah mistakes were made...but hey it's lori lol
I think Shane is that bad because he sexually assaulted Lori and tried to rape her. But that’s just my opinion…
disagree
@@steakchelle1923 I think we can all agree to disagree with you
I am surprised that you did not discuss the Otis situation. I mean that really defines Shane as a character in my opinion. Shane is willing to risk his own life by going to a hospital over run by a horde of zombies, backed up only by an elderly overweight man.
When alas this goes completely wrong. Then Shane sacrifices Otis by shooting him in the leg & leaving him to be eaten. I think that he really had no choice there. As I recall he even asks Otis if he should sacrifice him self.
When he declines: There is no other way out for Shane. Like you said: "The right decision is the one that keeps us alive"
You’re right. If there was someone who was gonna get out alive it was gonna be Shane. He had the best chance to save Carl. Was it wrong for him to sacrifice Otis? Yes. But it was also necessary. I don’t blame Shane at all.
I just started rewatching TWD. And watching it now… I think Otis would have gotten them both k*lled. The only thing is I would have sh*t him in the head for a quick death instead of letting him be eaten alive.
#BRINGSHANEBACK #FUCKLORIBITCH
He did, and Otis said he wouldn’t leave Shane, and Shane pounded the ground in frustration because he knew that meant he was going to have to kill Otis. I feel like the show tried to paint him in a negative light but still to this day I haven’t seen anyone else in the show have as much guilt and shock in their eyes as Shane did after driving home
Your so right man, and to be fair after killing Otis he began to struggle with guilt and anxiety, they made that evident in the scene where he's shaving his head, he continues to reconcile and think back on the situation and he seems overwhelmed like any normal decent natured person would be after doing something for the greater good that some would look upon as evil
Shane is a very complicated character and I've always loved him, he always has the right idea but he did go crazy in the end but I mean that's realistic.
I don’t believe he went crazy. He knew what he was doing. He wanted Lori and Carl and he was willing to kill his best friend to get it. But yes he does have the right idea. I strongly believe that season 5 Rick and season 2 Shane would get along very well.
@@MrLeroy42 he went crazy cause he wanted lori and carl so much
@@jadendewar4694 I mean you could say that, but it wasn't necessarily him going crazy. He was perfectly sane. He knew what he was doing and he was mentally ok. It's just that he became jealous and he wanted Lori and Carl.
@@MrLeroy42 I think you can be crazy and know what your doing at the same time. Jeffery Dahmer for example was crazy as fuck and he knew what he was doing. Now Shane I do think he was crazy to an extent but he was also intelligent, courageous, and benevolent to an extent, but he was also selfish, evil, and crazy to an extent, but above all he’s entertaining as hell. He is written well, portrayed phenomenally and he’s my favorite character to watch along with the Governor and Negan which are also antagonists with similar personalities. Daryl Dickson is my favorite character though. He’s not the most entertaining but I relate to him the most.
@@sam.lipchutz That’s fair. But like you said, it is super entertaining to watch and all the actors who portrayed the characters you just mentioned are amazing! Rick is my favorite, but I still really love Daryl.
There was a deleted scene where rick went to shoot a walker with Shane’s gun to find out it wasn’t actually loaded, so Shane never actually had a loaded gun
His gun went off when Rick stabbed him. So they must have changed it.
It would’ve been interesting to see that play out, but I would still side with Rick in that specific situation. Even if the gun wasn’t loaded, it would’ve been self defense.
It would have added even more tragedy to the whole situation. Rick would have even more guilt over it. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Shane have Rick dead to rights at a good distance and just walk right up to Rick and allow himself to be stabbed basically? If he wanted him dead he was already well within range and no police officer would allow the distance to be closed by a lethal subject much less close it themselves. Rick wasn't even looking I believe. That goes to show Shane's unwillingness , subconsciously perhaps, to murder his best friend even at that point
@@DirtySouthJR Not necessarily. Shane shot right as Rick stabbed, Rick was handing in his revolver and knew Shane was going to shoot so he struck first, which ended up being the same time Shane was going to shoot.
@@levvosi ah, that's correct. For some reason I incorrectly thought Rick was completely facing away and suddenly turned to stab him when he finally walked up to him. There was still a full Convo of Shane trying to justify his reasoning for doing the dastardly deed. So even at his lowest he didn't just shoot Rick down like a dog when he had all the opportunity to do so. He spent ample time explaining himself when he could have shot Rick as he had him in his sights while Rick only carried a knife in hand. IIRC still proving Shane never stooped to the level where he just wanted Rick dead for personal reasons. He really wrestled with it with his obsession for Lori pushing him over the edge imo
The one scene that shows just how quickly and how well Shane had adapted to the apocalypse is the barn scene, when Hershel refuses to believe that the walkers are the dead that have come back to life. That they're just sick people. Shane opens the barn and begins opening fire on them, yelling out: 'Why is it still coming, huh? That's its heart. Its lungs. Why is it still coming for me?! Because they're not sick. They're not human. Not anymore.'
And there was no one in the group, least of all Hershel, who could offer a good rebuttal to that. Keeping walkers in the barn was a foolish, misguided thing to do. Shane understood the incredible danger that posed and the only way he could make Hershel understand the same was to set a radical example.
To me, that was the one scene in TWD that made the entire group realize things aren't going to get better. There won't be a rescue, things won't go back to the way they were before. This is reality now. You either adapt to full time survival mode or you die. Those are your only choices now. It's not right or fair, but those are the cold hard facts. Shane understood that before anyone else.
Shane's probably my favourite character on the show and that is hands down my favourite scene in the series. Shane was 100% right and handled the whole thing in a good way, demonstrating clearly to herschel that they were not sick people. I was so frustrated watching season 2 knowing they were keeping a barn full of walkers, and seeing Rick marching one to the barn in a snare was the final straw for me. Shane popping the barn in that moment was wonderfully cathartic
It’s obvious that Shane was more advanced than the group especially when he had joined the military. The military shows you that the world is not all good and that it will tear you down if you let it. It’ll tear you down mercilessly and ruthlessly. We have to face the Reality of the Real world as well. The world is not all sunshine and rainbows. It’s an ugly world we live in.
4:45 In regards to Shane thinking that Rick is dead. Well clearly the machine he is attached to does not show a heart beat. This is one of the first things that Shane notices. Which obviously would have an impact on his judgement when he tries to hear a heart beat in that cacophony of sound
That is true. Shane really thought he was dead. He never wanted Rick to die and he didn’t lie about him being dead either.
Yeah he even held onto a chance as he shoved the gurney in front of the door.
@@MrLeroy42 i allways wondered if that means that rick came back to life but not as a walker. Knowing the first director that wouldnt have been so surprising
That’s why people think Rick is immune or already turned but is some modified variant that was being tested on secretly.
@@kiradripkage I am not sure if you are joking here?
Still if not...Then would that not entail that the Walkers would ignore Rick entirely, given that he is in fact dead & thus one of them?
Why would such an experiment be done on a random police officer in a small town hospital?
Also should he not have the instinct to eat other people as this is the nature of the virus or what ever it is?
Years later, I'm STILL pissed that Shane is dead! Shane was right: Carl was weak (don't care about Lori) and Rick was gonna get everyone killed. The group seemed to like Rick better when he arrived because he was still a shining example of what a leader was in the old world and what they all hoped could be again; Shane saw things as they were and led the group accordingly. Rick was weak, he had no idea what it took to survive in that new world. That being said, Shane's downward spiral, forcing Rick to kill him, was what made Rick able to do what was necessary to survive. It does thrill my black little heart that Jude is Shane's tho (I always knew it but it was nice to have it confirmed).
You’re exactly right! I mean everything I said in the video can be summed up in your comment. But the beauty of Shane slowly going crazy while Rick struggles to adapt to the new world is that killing Shane is exactly what he needed to do to learn to adapt. Without him doing that it would’ve taken Rick a long time to finally adapt and by that time he’d probably be dead or get someone else killed. The writing in the walking dead season 2 is just 👌
Nah. Shane’s rash, unthought decisions would get the group killed wayyy faster. And rick DIDNT get everyone killed. Sure shane saw things for what they were but he was still a wild card
@@z.incognito6259 Alright. I am interested in your thought. What I think personally, is that most people see Shane the way you just described him. But in my opinion, Shane seemed crazy, but you have to look into why he did things. You're right in the fact that he saw things for what they are and that he was rash about them. But where I think you're wrong is that you said he was unthoughtful. Shane just adapted faster. He made all the right decisions survival-wise. But I am curious to hear what you say.
@@MrLeroy42 i agree that shane had what it took to survive but when i say his decisions were unthought, i mean that I never thought about the consequences of his decisions. I.e how he didnt want rick to go back to atlanta for merle and get the guns but rick even said after the camp attack, they all would’ve died if they never came back with those guns.
@@z.incognito6259 Nope, you're wrong. Randall did know where the farm was and Rick was ready to release him free. At that point, the group wasn't full of fighters like they are now. They were 100 percent getting slaughtered if Randall went back to his group and came back with murderous intent
Best thing to put Ed in his place
You go Shane
"I'll beat ya ta death ed"
Yeah but he didn't really do that cause Ed was beating Carol and more because Lori told him to stay out of their life, Shane was pissed off and the situation by the lake where Ed slaps Carol was the perfect excuse for Shane to misdirect his anger. (In no way am I defending Ed here. Where I'm raised you hit a women, you get chased out of town but people always see that scene and see Shane as a defender of what's right whereas I saw it as him venting anger on someone who wasn't Lori)
@@dylanadams9745 I see it as a healthy mix of both. He was doing the right thing, but venting his anger while doing it.
@@dootdoot802 Agreed with this
Shane’s posture and nervous tick with his head is hilarious. I always cringe when I see that
Your pretty accurate. If Lori wasnt so cold and manipulative they most likely would have just moved on down the line and got on with surviving. Im sure im not the only one interested in how he would have been during the Saviours arc.
Lori didn’t let Shane explain anything which only lit a fire in Shane. But eventually after Shane says he’s leaving, Lori feels bad and tells him to stay. Shane takes this as she might still want to be with him. So, yes. Lori definitely manipulated him whether she meant to or not. And yes, I would’ve loved to see Shane during the saviors arc! It would’ve made it so much more interesting! But sadly we’ll never see it.
@@MrLeroy42 theres all sorts of people i would have loved to see during the saviors and whispers arcs if they somehow made it that far.
Dale
Andrea
Jim
Hershal
Beth
Tyreese
Shane
T-dog
Abraham
Glenn
The governor if he redeemed himself somehow.
Merle.
Lori.
The list goes on and on! We need one big alternate universe series where everyone survives up to the saviors and maybe the whispers arc who does negan pick off and who do the whispers kill? Oh it would be juicy to see! 😁
A lot of Shane's unraveling can be blamed on Lori's treatment of him after Rick returned. She should have listened when Shane tried to explain what happened, she owed him at least that after he kept her and Carl alive. Then she should have immediately told Rick about her and Shane's relationship and her decision on whether or not she wanted to carry on with it. Lori and Rick's realtionship was in tatters to begin with, so I always thought it was stupid how she tried to fall back into the dutiful wife role out of guilt for "cheating". A simple conversation with the two of them would have stopped the animosity and resentment before it even started. Rick probably would have been upset, but I truly think he would have gotten over it, and Shane just wanted the respect he was due and to not be given the cold shoulder over a decision both he and Lori made to be together. I honestly don't think Lori was happy Rick was alive, I think she was upset about the complications it would bring. But, Rick was the safe choice for her.
Amazing analysis wow, not gonna lie, and yea she probably didn't have high love for rick, carl probably is the only thing that kept the marriage together, she probably like shane as a husband since he "speaks his mind", i wish more people talled about this, i never seen lori analysis this deep before, it's usually just surface level stuff about her toxicity which is fine but doesn't say much, now you brang up their pre apocalypse marriage already having problems, which adds more layers, she probably was the one to start the relationship after she thought rick died, and yea she probably projected her guilt onto shane as soon as rick came and said he has to stay away from them so she can't feel bad or wet he rants for daddy shane, one thing i will disagree with rick on his the abortion, i dont care that season 9 has judith, she even died in the comics, shes why lori died in the show, had she had an abortion, i mean who gets kids in an apocalyptic environment anywas, but yea the baby is what ultimately kept shane there in my opinion, two things that kept shane, survival, and his family, he tried to leave the group after he gave carl the medical supplies but Lori says stay, he tries to leave a second time i think but doesn't decide to, I don't really remember, but hes already too invested into the group to just run up and leave, he would always hold regret, i understand him, you can't just leave, most people in real life usually visit their family even if toxic in the future, but its a zombies world, even less likely you'll see them again, i like the character of lori, love the actor, not the personality, she is super toxic and has many negative qualities u can diagnose with her, but that's what makes her interesting, the drama was so entertaining, it tested shanes character, can he rip out a part of his humanity and heart and leave thr group, can he leave his baby, but na he stayed, his soul purpose of Livin was them, he was selfish and selfless at the same time because he let rick kill him, but the selfishness comes in from the fact that if rick didn't kill him then he woulda killed rick, in the long run his way won, a tough leader, it's selfess but he did put down his actions and effects, anyways all this coulda been solved atleast the relationship drama if the 3 sat down and talked and hershel is the couples therapist 😂
I believe it was during the rough patches Lori and Rick were having pre apocalypse when Rick and Shane were talking about it is when Lori started having feelings for Shane. I think she only chooses Rick most the time is because her moral compass tells her thats the father of her child and husband so she must. Shane was a ladies man so I'm sure with the limited options post apocalypse and investment, Shane wasn't going to say no to that opportunity to be with her. With believing Rick was dead, she knew she wouldn't be able to keep Carl safe on her own, or even herself. She needed a capable man to for that security and Shane was her best bet at that time. When Rick came back, yea of course she was glad he was alive but at the same time, I think she hates the fact now things have became extremely complicated between the 3. Her moral compass made her feel guilty for cheating and pinned it on Shane for "lying to her" about him being dead when Shane didn't even know. She didn't get back with Rick out of pure love, it was guilt of being a shitty wife and getting slammed by her husbands best friend. As you watch the show go on you can tell she was leaning towards Shane's way of operation simply by not backing up Rick 100%. I believe she wanted the qualities of both Rick and Shane to be there and protect her and Carl. Shane did absolutely everything he could to keep them alive while Rick was more morally reasonable, yet in that world was a weakness. Honestly, They both were just her safety net and she probably enjoyed being fought over. I mean she literally could've just let it end by letting Shane leave, but she had him stay when that was probably the best chance they had at finding peace to that situation. Probably why she reacted the way she did when she found out Rick killed him. She felt better having both around, but wished they were on the same page for her benefit
Dude just imagine if Shane lived and fought negan that would be crazy
He probably could have fought negan and Simon at the same time and I'd love to have seen a BTS interaction between those characters actors as they all are good at extreme roles, Steve off plays Simon, Trevor in GTA5 Jon bernthal is Shane and the punisher, and Jeffery is negan for Christ sake
It actually wasn't Lori; she was just part of it. Shane wanted to be the leader. He said so himself and was spot on about Rick not being leadership material. Rick at that time was too soft. But in the long run Shane would have ended up too cruel. He was willing to kill Rick to have Lori and Carl and the leadership of the group. Rick represented kindness and a willingness to forgive and trust; Shane represented the opposite.
Shane is the most underrated character on the show , he adapted too quick to survival
Shane is the MOST OVERRATED character in twd
@@brianitaz the most loved character in twd*
@@miguelorozco4445 he isn't the most loved character, from what i've seen he's the most hated character
@@brianitaz Than how is he over rated?
@gayhomophobe
So overrated Bernthal got a gig as the punisher, and numerous key acting gigs in movies such as the wolf of wall street. Solely due to his role in TWD.
I think the biggest 'problem' with Shane is that he was already dealing with all the mess of the walkers for longer as the leader of the group, so he already had survival as a top priority, and of course that he only had Lori and Carl as 'family', so they were a priority for him and he had a lot of conflict between being happy for Rick being back and feeling he was losing his family, while Rick as still getting used to all the situation, true is that when Rick starts to get 'used' to this new world, he wasn't acting that different from Shane.Oh, and also Lori, Lori is a big problem lol
great message
I'd love to see a pre apocalyptic series of Rick & Shane as cops!!!!!
Me too!!!
Come on man... too many spin offs, let's appreciate the show as it is
"I'm a better father than you, Rick!"
And Rick took that personally.
He wasn’t lying tho…
It seems like I never see anyone talking about how Shane literally SA Lori and tried r*ping her. Super well made video though!
Shane is definitely not a good person. But he's a great character and that is why I love him! And thanks for watching!
@@MrLeroy42 “love” is a strong word when it comes to a character who again SA Lori and tried raping her🧍🏽♀️
@@b3an3rwi3n3r I really don't understand why people keep saying this. I don't like Shane because he attempted to SA Lori. I like him because he was a great character who was a great survivalist. He was a bad person, but a great character. I would honestly hate him in real life. But this is fiction. Character = good. Person = bad.
He was manipulated with false signals and his mental mind got completely fucked because of Lori, you can clearly see he cared about Rick and his family
@@MrLeroy42 wasn't he shitfaced on that doctors wine or whatever aswell at the time?
Shane's been my favorite character of the show of all time. I agree with everything you said. Lori played Shane and played Rick against him. I wish they'd have kept him on the show to leave the group and eventually meet up again. I absolutely hate what Lori did to Shane and I blame her for everything that happened. I've watched seasons 1-6 many times and always felt they wrote him off too soon. I'm surprised you didn't mention Otis. That incident I'm not sure how I feel about til this day. Anyways nice analysis.
Shane is one of my favorite characters of all time too. And I definitely believe that Lori played Shane against Rick. It was almost entirely her fault. But I think he was killed off at the right time. The reason why Rick is like he is today is because he was forced to kill Shane. That was Shane's purpose. To toughen Rick. And the way the that it went down was written beautifully in my opinion. That being said, I would have loved it if they kept him alive. He's such a badass and I wish he could've lived. Rick and Shane is an even deadlier duo than Rick and Daryl.
Shane is the best frenemy. Literally save and want Rick dead, and protected Rick's family and want to steal it at the same time.
He wants his best friend, who he risked his life for, dead for some self centered b**ch. The script doesn't make much sense here.
Shane i think is a good man really even though he’s hotheaded but his ways were right all along
100% right! Shane was right about everything survival wise. Shane would get along well with Rick in season 5. It was just him wanting Lori and Carl that was his downfall.
I swear, honestly it's all Lori's fault. She didn't handle the situation right at all and it caused two best friends to feud between each other to the point where Shane wanted to kill Rick. If Rick and Shane had actually talked about the situation maybe with Lori, so they can all come to terms, then the whole group wouldn't have gotten mixed up into their shenanigans. Shane is an amazing character who got twisted up in Lori's games and made Rick and Shane, who were best friends since they were kids, feud against each other then leading Shane to want to kill Rick. So, summary, it was Lori's fault and I stand by that.
Shane was my favorite character, but there is NO WAY you can make ANY excuse for me to say it was okay for him to get with his best friends wife--I'm glad you aren't my best friend.🤣🤣🤣 Also, in the long run, Rick's choice to attempt to save Merle is what set the stage for him and Daryl to become like brothers, and out of everyone, including Shane, Daryl is the one you should want having your back.
Well there were little people left the world went to shit Shane was taking care of his best friend who was almost just guaranteed to die after the missile blow on the hospital, and they wanted to have one good thing in a shitty world, in most eyes it could be seen as him taking care of his best friends son and wife
We ganna look past the fact he tried to rape Lori? Or that he only tried to save himself and lori and Carl? He didnt care about the group and slowly lost his sanity as he realized Rick was a better leader and husband
Shane is definitely a top 5 character for me. That hallucination Rick had in his last episode of season 9 was nice way to wrap up the whole dichotomy of Rick being more soft and leanient when Shane was in the show but eventually surcumbing to the way Shane would do things after the prison. It was a pleasant surprise undeed. I know everyone says this but yeah Shane was ahead of the curve he was living in season 5 during his time in season 2.
Absolutely. He was right on everything that had to do with survival. With Lori he was definitely wrong lol.
Also when Shane took Randall into the woods Randall admitted to knowing where his camp was and his demeanor clearly showed he was the type to get back to his camp and help organize an assault against our group. Once again proving Shane was right about Randall
Shane was my favorite character. Not just because of the actor who plays him. I wish that they didn't kill him off so fast because it would have been so interesting to see how Shane and his personality clashed with the other characters that were introduced after his death like The Governor and Negan
Shane was one of the first to understand what world they were living in and what kind of living people inhabited it. Too many people in the group had some kind of 'lets sit around the campfire and be friends' attitude. In that regard, I can't fault him.
I cared more about Shane than Lori.
Shane was a great character. I wish Shane and Rick were able to work together for longer
I think Shane was able to adapt quickly to the world but his love for Lori is what made him very dangerous to Rick
What's also sad and people forget that Carl is very hurt by Shane's passing too. Carl loved Shane as well
I can't believe its after Lorie's death I started to respect shane. After I ended up in a similar position my respect grow.
Shane did fuck up when he didn’t back off Lori after Rick warned him. However Shane was so far ahead of most of the other survivors when he was trying to tell them how they had to be to survive.
That's exactly right. Shane did nothing wrong survival wise.
Well, he really have seem to tried but when Lori says she doesn't know who the father of her child was, he have some kind of relapse
He is probably shy of using his voice so just let him be .let him try to be himself
Thank you
I assume you’re talking about the text to speech voice I used. Thank you. It’s not always easy recording your voice and editing. It takes a long time and I don’t always have that time. Hope you enjoyed the video!
The machines showed that he was alive, he didn’t disconnect him because he didn’t know if he would survive without the machines which is why he inspected them to see if he could bring them but realized it was too much and he wouldn’t last without it. That’s why he barricaded the door just in case he woke up, to protect Rick
Shane was awake when everything started, so he likely witnessed things that would more quickly demoralize one, where as Rick was unconscious for a month or so and wakes up after everything went crazy and settled back down. He can always see a rational conclusion because he didn't see the mad desperation that most everyone has experienced at some point during the initial downfall of society. If you get my meaning
I agree completely, amazing analysis, but rick after the camp gets attacked has no escuse, that was rhe perfect situation to become like shane
Rick became his own version of Shane. All of the pre-apocalypse scenes in episode 1 illustrate everything that Rick is going to need (to do). By the time he kills his former partner, lobs off Hershel's leg, puts the prisoners in check and gets Lori's ghost blessing, he's off to the races. That's how we all are in the real world. We take pieces of those we know and incorporate them as needed, whether we're aware of it or not but especially when they pass.
imagine jon bernthal was casted as Rick.
If I am remembering correctly I think Jon Bernthal actually tried out for Rick but they felt more of a bad boy vibe from him so they casted him as Shane.
That car conversation was Intel for Shane, when he got his opportunity with Lori, he did everything Lori wanted Rick to do and react to. He definitely took advantage of the situation
It's not the worst thing he could do during the apocalypse.
I disagree. The way Rick describes how Lori is acting is like a cheating woman. Shane on the other hand has that look in his eye that he knows that. When he tells Rick to speak, and he responds with Lori says the same....speak, speak. He used that word, cause Lori is on his shoulder about rick
I’m sure Shane is a lot more like Rick than we think. I’m sure at the beginning he had his own moral dilemmas, but given the absolute chaos of being in the city, there’s not much you can do as a single person, his sense of duty quickly went away and was replaced by a sense of self preservation. Had the roles been switched Rick would’ve been just as pragmatic. I can imagine Shane wanting to help and save people, but being utterly helpless in doing so, watching hundreds of people, die and unable to do anything. His evolution was expedited and he was living in S5
Disagree about one thing: Rick was right on going back for Merle. First: was the right thing to do. They left him there, trapped and exposed and Merle hadn't killed anyone to deserve that. Second: Merle was Daryl's brother. If Rick didn't go back for him there's no way daryl would've stayed with the group and third, they did bring the guns back, it was vital to their survival. We agree on the others, Shane was right about everything else and even 3th season Rick agree. He becomes a lot like Shane and gets much better for it.
Shane tried his best to save everyone he was very much like Rick at the beginning but he adapted much faster to the new world than everyone else it took 4 seasons for Rick to catch up to Shane's thinking Shane saw he couldn't save rick but could save his family after months going by he probably believed Rick was dead too seeing how bad things got and he was in a coma
I agree with 100% of what you said in this video. Lori, had that " Come here, now go away!" attitude with shane. I blame some of this on why Shane, ended up the way he did. Shane, would have been a force to reckon with. I would have loved to see him with the Governor.
i know this is late but shanes actor originally wanted the gun to be empty, and for rick to find out after killing him and trying to shoot him to keep him from turning into a walker
They were trying to survive in a world where suddenly DEAD PEOPLE were walking around trying to EAT THEM ALIVE. She thought her husband was dead, he had no one , felt like he had failed his best friend so tried to honour his friend by protecting his family for him . In a situation like that it would be totally normal for her to seek love and comfort from someone familiar and vice versa. It’s a normal human reaction .
I agree. You are 100% right.
Bro Shane admitted he wanted Lori for a long time. I like Shane as well and I wish they did something else with his character but he did want Lori
Shane had the right mind set! His delivery could use some work! But he was ahead of everyone! It was about staying alive
I wish I could see Shane, Rick, Darryl and Abraham and even Merel fight Negan and the whisperers
Dude! That would be freakin awesome! What a team that would be.
@@MrLeroy42 an all star team
@@GamingAuthorityVideo Indeed!
I also agree w shane when he killed Otis. It's either shane lives and carl lives or Otis lives and shane and maybe carl die too because Otis wasn't making it back without someone else helping him
Exactly. We may never know if Otis would’ve actually made it back safely with Shane, but it was better not to risk it. Carl’s life is more important.
@@MrLeroy42 100% Shane did the correct think and I wish Dale would have shut up about it
@@GamingAuthorityVideo Shane did do the right thing. But I also do understand where Dale was coming from. He is still wrong tho.
Even if Shane didn't kill Otis they would have both died leading Carl to die to so its either risk having all 3 die or kill 1 to save the other 2 and Shane wasn't gonna pick a man who shot Carl and barely met him over himself
If Shane was convinced that Rick was dead he wouldn't have blocked the door in the hospital for him. Also, he pretty much tells Lori that he said he died so she wouldn't go back and risk her and Carl's lives.
Good point, but the reason he blocked the door could be so that reanimated Rick and possibly other corpses there couldn't escape. If he really thought he was dead, he probably knew he would reanimate at some point. That doesn't explain for not shooting him in the head, but maybe he didn't want to do it to his friends body. He was ruthless later on in the series, but in the first few days of the apocalypse he probably had similar qualms about shooting his dead loved one like the farm people did. If he just wanted him to die, he wouldn't have to bother doing all that stuff in Rick's room, he could just shoot him in the head and leave. Remember, army and cops used to execute even living people in the beginning. I guess only the writers know what went through Shane's mind at that moment
@@DV-xu7ps He didn't know that people could turn without being bitten at that point, so he couldn't have thought that
Still my favorite character, for ever in this show, started with Rick in the car, ended up with Rick in the car
Agreed. It’s such an amazing show man. And Shane is one of my favorite characters of all time from it!
I loved Shane he was my favorite! He did so much for Lori & Carl and even tried to save Rick at the hospital.
I'm surprised anyone is watching TWD for the first time nowadays... I thought everyone forgot about it and only those who started watching it in 2010 are still watching it, like me
kids grew up ig
Amazing video my guy.
Thanks man!
Lori always made everything worse. She was awful. Giving Shane expectations because she didnt fully explain what she meant, cutting him off and ignoring him when he tried to explain, telling Rick that Shane wanted her and Carl for himself. She pitted those men against each other, used them to suit whatever effed up game she was playing. One I still haven't been able to figure out, unless you consider she liked being fought over. I was so happy when she was gone, but it started this downward spiral for Rick that bothered me. How he was after she died was just so off the rails, I wasn't a fan of that storyline. The phone calls in his head and not recognizing the voices were people they had lost, and leaving Carl in the others' care while he spun out. I mean, yeah, I understand grief, but he put everyone in danger, and I don't see Rick normally doing something like that. Then again, his decision to not kill Negan because he read Carl's letter...it was a call back to this time. Making a decision that hurt other people because he thought it's what Carl would want. It made Maggie leave and I hated that. (Side note: I do think Negan turned into a pretty great character, though. Especially his interactions with Judith and Lydia.)
Yeah she just wanted to be fought over because she’s a 6 on a good day lol she would never normally stand a chance against the punisher
" I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve "
- The Joker.
This is Shane in a nutshell.
It's been a really long time since I watched this show, so I forgot quite a bit, but I do remember loving the first couple of Seasons. I kinda lost interest a few seasons in, maybe 3 or 4, but your video reminded me of the things I loved about the beginning of the show.
Shane and Rick were clearly very good friends in the beginning and things probably would've gone so much better if Rick hadn't been in that hospital to begin with. They might have both realized on their own that Lori was bad news. At the time I last watched this, I didn't realize how manipulative she was or how destructive her flip-flopping between wanting Shane around and not wanting him around was to his mind until I was in a relationship with someone like her haha! I don't think people like Lori can help but be who they are, but once we let someone like that into our life, it can really feel like we're losing it until we realize what's actually happening. Being in the middle of the apocalypse would definitely make things 100% worse.
I agree with everything you said here. Great video!
Shane loved Rick in the beginning and truly saw him as a brother. That part is absolutely true.
Absolutely!
Shane and Rick was best friends what i think happened is that Shane got a taste of power and in combination with what was needed to survive a zoombie apolocipse. like Shane knew what to expect better then Rick did at the begining but Shane like most people who got a taste of power like it and didn't want to lose it
Considering Shane knew exactly what Lori was saying and thinking when arguing with Rick without Rick telling Shane may be more telling than you’d think. Shane and Lori could have been having an affair before the apocalypse and she complained to him about Rick and that’s why he knew about their problems. I’m not saying it’s for sure a thing but definitely possible. That could also be why she was always angry with Rick when he tried to talk to her because she was feeling guilty and was looking for any reason to start a fight and not to talk.
This
When Lori tells Shane that she told Rick about them and Shane says that "so you told him that you did it because you were grieving,needed comfort and was a mistake?... And she says yes, he said " you know that is not true, it was a long time coming"...
They both liked each other from before that's why they couldn't even wait a month after they thought Rick was dead to get together.
@@LivyerLateraluspeople forget that, "...it was a long time coming." Line for some reason. It was obviously there. He told Rick there was nothing there before because he knew that's what Rick wanted to hear and get Rick off his back.
I respect your opions and others! I myself loved Shane at the start but then slowly started hating him. Lori is the reason Shane died and the reason Shane wanted to kill Rick, but lets be honest, if rick and shane had just become friends or if shane found someone else that he actually really likes, they would be the best group in the entire series, I mean they still are, without shane but they would be better with him if rick and him sorted things out.
OMG thank holy goodness. I always wonder if it was just me or did anyone else loathe that woman? Remember when Shane says: 'I didn't keep them alive. They kept me alive.' He had a reason to stay alive to protect his brother's heart. But I have known one or two women just like Lori and, even in the before parts they played when she was picking Carl up from school and talking to the other mother, she was whining about Rick. He really had a thing for those 'Olive Oyl' (as Darryl beautifully called her) types, like the blonde in Alexandria. Lori would not leave Shane alone even after she'd knifed him and twisted the blade. Every so often she'd sashay over to him for no REAL reason just to fan the fire. That's what these women do because everything is always about them and their drama game. I call them dragons. BTW I am a woman, a mother, a sister etc. Andrea called Lori out but Darryl really nailed it with Olive Oyl. What she did to so many people is just evil. Her son should have been spared cleaning up her mess... literally. A mother dog wouldn't ever put her pup in such ugliness. Not to mention, Shane was a solid man and a good soldier and he deserved a whole lot better and, I truly believe, someone like him would have ensured that much of what hurt the group (Neegan etc) would not have occurred. He stood in Rick's blind spot as a real friend/brother does. Imagine Neegan trying it on with Shane? No chance. People love Neegan and the actor is excellent but the role is just cheesy ('Time to wear your poopy pants.' Yawn.) Shane would have fed Neegan to himself and smacked him down without even looking on his way past.
I hated Lori as well! She did not help anything at all! Lori only caused more problems. When Rick came back she completely shut out Shane and didn't hear his side of the story. Something I missed before is that Lori fell for Shane. She initiated it. So for her to think that Shane lied about Rick dying just to be with her doesn't make sense. And yeah she only caused more drama and for what?! She didn't know what she wanted so she acted off of emotion in the moment which only put Rick and Shane more at odds. And I appreciate hearing this kind of opinion from a woman because most women refuse to say or acknowledge things like this a lot of the time. Not all women are like Lori but there are a lot of them out there! And I agree that if Shane and Rick worked together they would be a force to be reckoned with. I honestly think Shane is the smarter guy and the better survivalist so yeah he would probably either avoid people like Negan or take them out quickly altogether. But I gotta disagree with your opinion on Negan. I love Negan! He's one of the best villains in the show in my opinion but let's just agree to disagree.
@@MrLeroy42 Thank you. I am happy that you appreciated hearing all that from a woman. I actually wrote a WHOLE further response to that, which I am sure you would have enjoyed, but I pressed the wrong button somehow and it ate my whole, at length reply. Kill me. If I may say, it was a good one, too! I myself knew such a person who I briefly thought was a friend. Then she began constantly nagging about her husband who was, in fact, a truly decent human being who was literally killing himself working an ungodly nightmare job to maintain her lifestyle demands... to the point where his doctor told him he needed to re-assess his life in light of his stress levels. She had a hobby-job (I know since she worked with me) and had everyone in the building thinking she was in distress and danger at home, which really sickened me. Then she took up with another, very decent man who, when both his parents were diagnosed with Alzheimer's within months of each other, told her that he had begun to feel very isolated and such having so much demand on him alone.... well he went from Mr Salvation to the identical same rant she had about her husband in a snap. PLus, there was the (of course!) oops pregnancy too since, though she was undergoing fertility treatments with her husband, she never thought to use any protection with the other man. She terminated that pregnancy and, just like Lori, all she cared about was her young daughter. Well, women like Lori use their kids that way to maintain the fiction that they aren't basically feral cats in constant heat to be at the centre of other peoples' pain and their own dramatization. Drama addicts. And me me me first always. I am a mother and please excuse the TMI but I kept my ovaries clean for my son and daughter. No questions there. On that note, last she spoke to me she told me that she had used my then teenaged son as a part-alibi, saying he had driven her home from my house (she has never seen my house) and wanted me to prepare him to lie for her in case her husband asked him how he managed to drive her home and still be on time for school so very far away. Well, 'all I care about is my daughter' but my son, who had only recently then been a victim of a very nearly lethal attack, should lie for her? No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My mother has a word for such women and it isn't pretty. Pigs. Ouch. I mean, no offense to actual pigs but that word is like a slap down into the sewer. Oh and the complaints about the 2nd man were identical to those about the husband within two weeks. At Christmas, on my actual birthday, she tried to corner me complaining about who was giving her the better presents (husband) and if I hear 'I only stay in 5 star hotels' ever again, shoot me! Lori was already nagging about Rick in that early scene when Shane comes to tel her Rick was shot. That's what they do. They make themselves grandiose by berating everyone else. But I will say, neither she nor Lori were ever short of bed-mates.
@@tarawalsh7045 Damn! That sounds absolutely crazy! I am lucky enough to not have to worry about working with someone so spoiled, greedy and self centered. These women, "Pigs" as you call them only care about themselves and act like the world revolves around them. They don't listen to other people's side to the story and only care enough to cause more drama. It's ridiculous. And somehow they attract guys to them like flies to shit. But they only manage to mess things up for everyone around them. It's really no wonder Shane went crazy!
@@MrLeroy42 'only care enough to cause more drama'. You got it in a nutshell there. As if life doesn't dish out enough trauma to us as it is. I have found though that these women tend to have 'evil, terrible, irresponsible monstrous husbands' that kill themselves working to keep her 'happy', which is exactly why they complain about them non-stop. I always think: Sweetie, there's a few men out there that would take you for what you're worth! Now if only one would show up NOW!'
@@tarawalsh7045 Yes. You can see Rick start to resent Lori because of all of that in season 3.
People say they hate Shane? I've only ever met people who defend Shane and even say he would have done a better job than Rick if he was alive.
You don't screw your partners WIFE, no matter WHAT, you dont go there. That's like screwing a cousin, and 1 st. Cousin.
Honestly if Rick didn’t go back to save Merel. Darryl wouldn’t have turned out how he was supposed to. I’m not saying that all of Rick’s decision’s are the best. He made’s a few bad decision’s from time to time but, Shane had some good decisions to. Though one of the bad one being Fort Benning not the idea being bad but, if they went there instead of the CDC it would have been overran with walker’s and all of them would have most likely would have been met a horrible death. The reason why I say it was overran with walker’s is because the two dude’s in the bar said it was.
I really agree with this and I love Shane too. I just wish he wouldn't always completely abandon morals. As shown with Rick it is possible to have some values and also have a survivalistic mindset, but a healthy balance is the important part. I think Shane had a healthy balance in Season 1 but in Season 2 he definitely hardened more and became more about survival than morals. That theme is kinda covered in Season 4 with the whole "too far gone" thing; Rick and Carl almost lost themselves the prior season which I do think Shane did (to clarify, I don't mean they almost went crazy, I think they just almost lost their sense of humanity). That being said I understand Shane's Point of view, he basically did lose Lori for a while and then when it seemed she "came back" to him she hadnt so he was on this rollercoaster of emotions and I think his way of dealing with that loss was becoming colder to everyone which we see in Season 2.
I also dont blame Lori for everything in Season 2 except her asking Rick to deal with Shane and then being mad at him over it, I just think it was a lot of miscommunication between everyone and not enough sitting down and talking because the world around them was still ticking away and theres never enough time to work through that stuff with everyone they had to do. I think she was a good wife and a good mother and I think Shane was a good friend to Rick. I dont fully blame any of them as it was an extremely volatile situation and nobody was able to sit down and talk.
As for Rick, I dont think he was too weak to protect his family in Season 1 and 2. He charged into the new world and took it on head on even though he had almost no idea what was going on. If a large enough threat came to hurt his family he wouldve done whatever he needed to. I even believe Season 1 Rick wouldve ripped that guys throat out if he had met him then and the same scenario had come up. Its just that Rick didnt see that he took bigger risks with his way of living than Shane did. Which is why I think a healthy balance between brutal survival and morals/humanity is best and Rick achieved that much later on once he fully healed from his grief of Lori, Hershel, and etc.
All of that being said please tell me if im wrong or not, the beauty of early TWD is that everything has a right and wrong to every side and this is possibly the most complex issue every explored in the show. :)
Bro same I love Shane. He just had a really awful time, but he had a heart of gold
If Shane was around he'd have slimed the governor out without even making a facial expression.
Shane's strength (his aggression and wildness) is also what got him killed. He trusted in his wildness, which is why he couldn't see it destroying him. Morality exists to help people control themselves, so their wildness doesn't cause them to make mistakes they can't undo.
Shane adapted faster since he was a first responder and could see what was happening unfiltered from the start. Rick would have might have made the same adjustment quicker, but he was in a comma. Hersel and family were isolated in a rural area.
I feel like Shane is just a guy who had the right idea but the wrong strategies.
One thing ill say about the Merle situation; i think that it was the right call down the line because that act alone had Rick earn Daryls respect. If Rick agreed with Shane, i think Daryl wouldve held resentment towards the group from that point on instead of the route he ended up taking. He ended up becoming one of the most vital pieces of the group. I dont think he wouldve became that for Rick if Rick didnt agree to go with him to retrieve Merle.
When it comes to making decisions, sometimes you have to take into consideration which decision creates a loyal ally for you. Creating loyalty and a worthy ally of Daryl was worth it.
If i had 2 choices, one made Daryl and ally and another made someone like Dale an ally.. im choosing the choice that supports Daryl because hes just way more useful.
That’s a take I’ve never heard before. You’re not wrong. The question is: Is the risk of going back for Merle worth it? And I guess that can be debated.
@@MrLeroy42 If it kept Daryl around for the rest of the show, knowing in season 3 they both talked about actually robbing that Atlanta group blind before Merle disappeared, id say it was worth every damn second.
Just Remember Shane’s Legacy Lives Thru Judith Not Rick
Shane would have become a Negan like figure had he lived
Shane was always ahead of the time. he was in season 1 and 2 where Rick was in season 4 or so
The Laurie thing is shitty but he thought he was dead
I think you got that a little backwards. If you mean Shane was in season 4 while Rick was in season 1 and 2 then yes I agree. 100%
@@MrLeroy42 he means Shane was in Ricks season 4 mentality while being in season 1-2
@@agbrenv Oh I see.
Good video. I’ve noticed that Rick ends up acting a lot more like Shane towards the end of the show. At the very least he had to adopt a mindset similar to Shane’s as time went on, which basically confirms that Shane probably would’ve been a better survivor than Rick if only he were as level-headed as Rick. The epitome of idealist vs realist imo. What lead to his death really was his emotional instability leading him to irrational choices. It’s sad to think that if Shane took the time to just calm himself down or focus on something else, he could’ve lived. They could’ve talked about it and resolved their problems and Shane could’ve been with Michonne 😢
Shane’s downfall was his love for a woman.
he couldn't calm down tho, rick was forcing him to let randall eventually get released, ricks fault shane went crazy in the last episode
I think the reason for shane's obsession with rick's family was that after all hell broke loose and everything became chaos, he ended up finding a reason to survive and fight for, which was lori and carl. And Rick's comeback made him lose his mind, because he eventually took it away from him. He was a good character, too bad he lost himself 😢
I think you're right. I really do believe that Shane truly loved Lori and Carl. They gave him a reason to keep going. But when Rick came back, he took his family back (rightfully so) and this caused Shane's downfall. What made it even worse was that Lori just cut him off after that. And instead of being mad at Lori, he directed his anger at Rick which made him lose sight of himself. Tragedy of a character. He let his emotions take over and let it rule him.
@@MrLeroy42 Yes, totally.
Daryl was my favorite character hands down
Honestly if Shane survived he would've been the one to get the bat and not Abe
I completely agree with you. I really feel Shane is misunderstood and so is his situation with Rick. Shane was living in the world they were in now while Rick was still operating in the past. Lori didn’t help and the way she treated Shane was unfair, I do think she could’ve sat and had a conversation with him about the Rick situation. When you look at what happened Shane clearly didn’t just leave Rick, he did the best he could and I think it’s really unfair that he gets demonized for it.
Having the Punisher on your side in an apocalypse is pretty helpful.
are we forgetting that he tried to sexually assault Lorie? like yeah he was right in a lot of occasions like how he saved Carl even tho it seemed cruel but we can't forget that Lorie probably wanted him dead coz she wasn't safe with him there
I’m not justifying anything he did. I know he’s not a good person. But I love Shane because he’s a great character. Liking a character and liking their person are 2 different things.
@@MrLeroy42 "Liking a character and liking their person are 2 different things." Many people don't understand a simple thing like this.
Its honestly lori’s fault. She was already on bad terms with rick before the apocalypse because rick “never yelled at her” which is stupid. And as soon as she thought rick was dead she instantly got with shane
That's facts, man. You really can't blame Shane.
You're wrong about rick going back to Atlanta for Merle. Even if Merle wasn't trapped rick still was going to go! He absolutely had to get that radio cause he felt indebted to Morgan. Not to mention all the guns in that bag!
Honestly they should of had Shane get separated from the group and never be seen again by them. But like later appear in Fear of the Walking Dead and the video games
Shane gives up his morality very easily. You can describe it as adapting fast. But I think he just makes it very easy for himself. The last quote is basically a self-fullfilling prophecy. Rick on the other hand changes, too. But he holds on to his morality much longer. And in my opinion this is an important difference.
If all people where like Rick, good guys would stay in control and society could live on. If all people were like Shane, everyone would just protect the people closest to them and people would kill members of other groups out of mistrust or as "preemptive" attacks.
At 4:20 the heart rate monitor was working and Rick was alive. Shane actually pulled the plug on Rick in order to try and move him he actually probably thought he killed Rick by accident.
Yes
really nice video that explains all my thoughts about the one and only "shane"
I always wondered if Randall was possibly a savior or one of those claimer guys and it was just still earlier on in the apocalypse
Rick Grimes my all favorite he is my Walking Dead hero but Shane was right about what he done he didn't know what was going on he did not know that Rick was alive
Exactly what I’m thinking.
Fair point. Survival wise Shane would survive to the end because his intelligent already way above everyone for the apocalypse. Just his obsession towards Lori and Carl drove him crazy . But if Rick didn’t have that morality and didn’t go back to get Merle he wouldn’t have the best right hand man in Daryl. I think when Rick decided to go back to the city to save someone like Merle and Daryl knew how bad merle was ,he knew Rick was a guy he can trust and follow. Do you think their relationship would be as tight as they were if rick decided to ignore Merle?
i like shane
There are so many instances throughout the whole of the series where Rick proved Shane right.
So Shane didn't see a flatline on the machine, but thought Rick was dead.