Boeing's 4 Million lbs Payload Rocket (LMLV) Large Multipurpose Launch Vehicle Concept
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- A 1968 NASA-sponsored study of a large multipurpose launch concept
A potential application of this launch vehicle concept is for launching future manned interplanetary, extended lunar, and large space station payloads. For many missions, the payload versatility of the launch vehicle system could be used to orbit the total payload requirements in a single launch, obviating the need for orbital assembly. Previous mission analysis information indicated that a payload capability from one to four million pounds to low earth orbit would adequately cover the range of these mission requirements
The concept is a "building-block'' vehicle system that features a main stage capable of single- stage-to-orbit operation and add-on stages, either boost assist or upper stages, that afford a broad range of payload capability.
Ten 372-inch solid motors would have resulted in a payload up to 4.2 million pounds
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CONCEPT FOR A LARGE MULTIPURPOSE LAUNCH VEHICLE
By Edward W. Gomersall: Research Scientist
John G. Brunk: Advanced Vehicle System Manager, Launch Systems Branch, Space Division, The Boeing Company.
#boeing #nasa #ksp - Věda a technologie
"Ladies and gentleman, we have achieved man's dream of putting a fuel tank in orbit."
not a bad thing if it was full.
ESSO has entered the chat
LITERALLY LMAOOO
Two of them together is actually what my neighbor smokes in mariguana...
Propane and propane accessories : space edition
With Boeing's track record on SLS this thing would cost 50 billion per launch and take 100 years to develop.
They will make some shortcut and kill people again
@@goodwill-y3d i admit sometimes laugh at this joke, but it always hits too close to home
To be fair, pre-McDonnell Douglas Boeing was actually an excellent company primarily run by engineers. They were responsible for the Saturn V S-IC, among many other successful aircraft.
@@vaporcobra kissez huggz an purversions for the F-4/J79's ;)
@@vaporcobra it's true. They made good stuff. I wish they'd start again.
They should've just called it "Untitled Spacecraft (3)"
i agree
Ah our fellow KSP
Yep
This looks so Kerbal I was expecting to see asparagus staging.
I was going to say this looks straight out of Kerbal :D
that is a solid booster.
My thought exactly!
@@muhammadharits7127 then let's innovate with solid asparagus staging! (this is a joke)
same
When you accidentally double click symmettry and strap too many boosters.
There is such a thing as too many boosters? (Something no REAL Kerbal-naut would say... heck maybe even think? :) )
Accidentally? Naw
HERESY. THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH BOOSTERS!
Or, *Me when i install tweakscale*
These boosters were fairly large too, they seem to be as wide as a Starship or Saturn V
Could launch an ENTIRE space station kit from IKEA....
They forgot to leave room for the hex head wrench for assembly.
Just be sure to have another rocket ready for the missing parts.
Your idea is plausible when compared to this sci-fi fantasy!
You mean the ikea rymdståtion?
NASA: So how much will it cost?
Boeing: Yes.
“7 million to develop, 1 million Per launch vehicle”
*_actually doubles national debt by costing over 24 Trillion and never actually finishes development_*
NASA: Design us a rocket.
Boeing: ok
*Rocket causes tsunamis, earth quakes, and leaves massive chemtrails big enough to cause another ice age*
And enough boiled fish to feed a small country!
Too much talking, they always over explain everything.
@@JP13795 based on what many global warmmimg alarmist, isn't that what is needed? A little ice age would put a damper on global warmmimg which should make environmentalists pretty happy. Who am I kidding? These guys are like a death cult. Humans are the problem according to some of them and we should go extinct. Funny thing is, none of them are taking the first step.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement
mynorthwest.com/1673932/dori-human-extinction-activist/
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jan/10/i-campaign-for-the-extinction-of-the-human-race-les-knight
www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/cambridge-professor-thinks-should-human-17684215
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
3:14 really nailed that smoke effect
Yeah vfx ing this rocket onto an actual footage of space shuttle plume
@@brijeshsingh8460 yeah. Looked tooo real.
It kinda looked like challenger
Rip
Imagine if all the SRBs were replaced with Falcon 9s and they landed all 10 of them on drone ships simultaneously.
falcon heavy^3
Tag elon please!
how about 4 of those really big boosters Scott manly was talking about the true most powerful rocket motor ever devised and fired never flew though sadly
Epic🤣🔥
John White I don’t recall watching that one. I’d love a link if you could find it! 👍🏼
Classic Boeing, never built, pay rise for kerbal engineering
Roger C first thing I thought was omg ksp asparagus staging and when I saw the delayed booster separation I thought no way. Asparagus for real?? But delayed separation is obvious so boosters don’t collide with eachother. Anyway. Nice attempt but it needs more boosters and more STRUTS!
If it's Boeing, you're not going.
Classic Boeing wasting taxpayer money on this "realistic" video is something that will never happen.
Boeing should do this
Rocket is complicated and dificulte
Low safety and high cost
We need somethings better
Developing technologies to enable human access to space at dramatically lower cost and increased reliability #FeelFree czcams.com/video/6q7MovLP-e8/video.html
raise
Sea dragon: I have the most payload capacity ever designed
This rocket: hold my hydrazine
NASA: So how much would it cost...?
This rocket and Sea Dragon: *Yes.*
@@MrMayo-og9rj Sea dragon would have been cheaper than an atlas v
@@ninthninja05 just like space shuttle was
Hold my Hydrogen
Wow
This rocket has something
There’re missing all the fishing vessels around the launch site. Ya know, to scoop up the 60 tons of sea life it kills that floats to the top after every launch.
You mean the fishing vessels that would have spontaneously combusted just by thinking about the thrust of this thing?
You could just use some high powered sonar to scare away all the fish
wow, just wow.
Jesus Christ it’s Jesus Christ
Cheesus
NO DISRESPECT JESUS CHRIST
OMG ITS JESUS
JESUS DIED FOR U FRIDAY GOOD
Everything within a half-mile radius in the ocean just got obliterated!
The ocean boiled away and the planet got vaporized :)
..for science.
Part of the reason most of the bigger post-Saturn boosters were launched at sea was so that the exhaust plume would push the water away in a concave structure to alleviate the sound levels around the boosters. These things would not only damage people/structures with their noise but ground reflections could seriously damage the spacecraft themselves!
We can use Boeing's new rocket to both destroy the planet and then leave it once it's uninhabitable. I love ideas with their own backup plan
@@randycampbell6307 VERY good point.
1:26 - woman says in russian: "it does not buzz it thunders" (Он не жужжит он гремит)
LOL, you are right. I wonder where did they take this sound from.
И помахала "Рукой Кремля" !😁
Hand of Kremlin?!☝
Da
Так и да, ели услышал
Точняк, внимательные какие👍
When you want to colonise the galaxy in one go:
It's funny because thing would't even reach Uranus
@@Etrehumain123 even if it does, there's no way that thing fits
Sea Dragon, take two.
Sea Squid.
@@MegaZsolti That name should be reserved for 18m starship if it still uses the same skydiving re-entry as 9m, just look at the shape.
@@deregapreyahvattaffdiff well, this one is much more squid-shaped. Looks like a Blooper from the Mario gmes.
Almost. The Sea Dragon I remember launched from under water
@@deregapreyahvattaffdiff I wish each starship has it's own unique name like the space shuttle.
Move over Korolev Cross, make way for the Boeing Star.
double star that is
It would actually have to fly for that, which it won’t. Boeing? They cant even get a 737 off the ground, do you really want to fly in a rocket made by Boeing. Not me.
2:00:
Humans: "Wow that looks amazing"
Meanwhile fishies:
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Fried fish yum
@@davisdf3064 yum yum in my stomach
i mean the fish is gonna die anyway so...
@@greentea1396
Sea Dragon can tell ya
I don't care about these idiot fishes, when I look at them, I get annoyed, I'm gonna kill those brats
When you want your numbers to be bigger use pounds.
Can I be the first to say MOAR BOOSTERS!?
I'll be second...
And cowbell
There was a private company in Germany in the 70s called OTRAG that agrees with you.
Thhhiiirrrrrdd
Nasa head quarter, 1969:
"-Is it practical?
-We could easily make youtube video out of it.
-get out."
"the hell is a youtube?"
Nice one😂
czcams.com/video/BcJsSmvhYGk/video.html
So ahead of their time
-politicians 1950-2000 : boost science research, advance medicine, go to the moon, create better life quality
-politicians 2000- present day : science must be used so people can change genders, recall james watson's nobel prize and stop his research because his science is racist, stop all scientific advancements because "environment"
You'd have a lot of freshly-boiled fish floating on the water after one of those launches. If not boiled, they would certainly be dead from the vibrations
Me: *sees rocket*
Also me: why it looks like it came rigth off my KSP save file?
Lol meme of rocket 2021
𝗕𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝗶𝘁 𝗱𝗶𝗱
The SRB exhaust plumes looked great, even though there weren't 10 of them.
Thats because they used a real space shuttle plume and CGI'd the ship over where the shuttle would have been.
@@tyson31415 The compositing was done very nicely. A real plume looks better than any CGI effect I've ever seen.
I don't think that they where SRB's they look like the sea dragon project, and also fit into that time
@@moritzk3004 they're srbs alright. Liquid rockets dont leave a trail of smoke like that.
Ten RD-180 will do the job.
When you try playing Real Solar System but only use stock parts
KRSS
I really like when people are used to giving a real sense of scale.
"4 Million lbs" how many kilos
?
You won't go far into space unless you learn SI units
That's right because SI is what the astronauts were reading as they landed on the moon!
@@jeremiahstaley2708 You can easily replace those lbs with potatoes and cabbages no difference at all.
You can go to space if you measure things in qubits, you can book water over a fire in a leather bag. Just cuz you use backward measurements doesn't make you dumb. Just awkward and traditionalist
@Larry XK One mission to Mars failed because your expert was attached to his traditional units. According to the contracts, SI units were to be used. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
One day someone will pay live for this attachment to archaic unit.
@@bagstermucha The error was due to converting to metric. If they stayed with conventional units wouldn't have been a problem.
I have A feeling just building "Sea Dragons" would be an order of magnitude cheaper.
Yes and more efficient! OL J R :)
Nice animation Man, i like it 👌
RED SIDE himself! 🙌🙌🙌
Hey nice channel, you should get more recognition
The ed r sde. I
In reality the the first five or ten seconds of launch would be obscured from massive steam and smoke plumes. The jettisoned SRB's should have smoke trails too. Just an observation. Good video.
When I see the thumbnail of the video:
My eyes: Wow that's a powerful rocket!
My brain:
*DAMN BOI HE THICC*
*T H A T S A T H I C C A S S B O I , B O Y!*
Amazing work with the exhaust plume on ascent, it looks photo realistic!
@@DELTAVROCKET that's exactly what I got out of it. VERY minimal CGI needed to replace the space shuttle with an image of this purely Syfy idea.
As we say in KSP...."ADD MORE BOOSTERS!!!"
No....
MOAR BOOSTERS!!!!
This comment section is pure gold. Bless you all, and may the Kraken be with you.
The kraken sends his regards
3:00 The photo-shopped Space Shuttle footage tho
Didn't know you could Photoshop a video. (or at least in an efficient manner)
But it look great atleast
Video-shopped
I literally just saw this comment and I was like, "No wonder it looked so realistic!"
Proposed in 1968. 52 years later and we're still waiting.
The only thing missing from this animation is the puppets and the “Thunderbirds are go” 🤣🤣
FAB
And the massive explosion when lifting off
This guy does so great job on rocketry video rendering, actually one of the best I've seen.
WHAT WAS IN THE FAIRING? I HAVE TO KNOW.
Modules for the von braun space station.
its american fat man
a sea dragon
Tesla put a roadster ,so
Boeing will put a 747 in orbit
@@surendart6346 lmao
that rocket be
*T H I C C*
T H I C C C C C C C C C C
that comment be
not worth the 'Read More' option
Lmao
Chrysler: Hold my beer...
czcams.com/video/___JNGJog0A/video.html
3:08 h...h..how? Is it a real footage combined with a model?
Right!? I look at simulation all day and this is by far the best looking plume simulation or its footage of the shuttle done very very well.
Roto out shuttle plume in area you place your rocket.
The animations on this channel are insanely good. They're definitely worth looking through them!
Either the animation was made by boeing using nasa computer or the channel owner stole nasa computer and made it himself
You can see two distinct exhaust plumes. It's footage from a shuttle launch with the rocket edited in
One day we'll hopefully have a genuine need for something like this.
Hopefully one day won't need a behometh like this and will develope some other type of engine.
The only way i see something like this being built is if we face extinction and need to build space habitats
3:07 That smoke effect looks REALLY good!
Almost as if it is just the real smoke trail from the space shuttle with the model tacked on at the top...
Sea Dragon on steroids
A whole lot of dead fish and acoustically deconstructed rocket going on there in real life lmao. Awesome visuals tho. Very nicely rendered.
They would need to launch it from underwater for the shockwaves not to rip apart the rocket lol
@@nicksalvatore5717 yea but, at some point that rocket will have to rise above the water line and when it does..... 💥
@Norm T haha nice! Not the fish harvester from Boeing 🤘🏻🤣🤘🏻 at least they are doing something right over there lol.
69th like!
Beautiful. Some of the haze and wave distortion perfect. Thank you.
You've done the best render of a rocket launch I've ever seen. Your future is bright, keep working
...If it were a SpaceX concept we'd see all those booster landing on drone ships while recovery vessels tried to catch the ginormous fairings ;)
The boosters are solid rockets, so cannot be stopped or restarted. They could catch the fairings though.
@@cmwgfo2024 liquid booster have a lower thrust to weigh ratio, so you surrender some orbital capabilities.
The shuttle srb had a parashute and were recovered, but it was cheaper to build new than refurbished.
I think we would see the ocean full of burning junk if it was a Failx rocket.
Someone's been playing some KSP lately
I never heard of this crazy concept. Very cool animation, BTW. Thanks!
Good to see the Boosters were ribbed for her re-entry...
Ahead of it's time what innovation.
They can't even build airplanes, or a crew capsule! This was a good cgi effort though. 👍🏾
My thoughts exactly. NASA recently roasted Boeing on the Starliner fiasco.
This was 1968 you dingus.
@@BirdieRumia Back than Boeing was in a way better place than it is now.
Elon: 4 million lbs? Hold my beer
he is so going to nuke them from orbit
"Elon mask please move your falcon from the ship Boeing need to launch their rocket"
Elon:never!
We're Going To Need A Vehicle Like This If We Are Serious About Building Bases On The Moon And Mars ! ! ! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Launched from the ocean, simply awesome!
1:25
-Не жужжит он гремит)))
ага, вот зе фак :D
Nezuzi tam pilmeni...
Wow, your best video so far.
Wow, KSP2 looks great!
I'm so glad I found this channel
Dear Hazegrayart, the smokeline at 3:20 is just amazing. Wonder how you did it...
Great rendering.
Gonna need a new barge each time, I suspect
looked like an oil platform base.
wonderful images ! Thanks for this.
.... I built something like that in KSP 1.09. It was slow as hell, expensive as well, but I could put a whole space station into orbit with it, so...
Good!
Man I really wanted to see the payload
This thing will be obsolete if there is going to be a reusable counterpart, something like the 2x bigger starship that Elon has talked about before.
This was a 1968 concept study
@@brokensoap1717 Ah yes that makes sense.
@@zilverdiesel8562 Elon isn't just talking, they're in the process of actually building that thing
@@limiv5272 They are building the normal Starship, but I was talking about the Starship that is twice as big as the current one being built which elon talked about a few months/weeks ago. The rocket in this video is of an entirely different weight class from the normal Starship, but the 2x size Starship is more in this class.
@@zilverdiesel8562 probably still not even close to this. Starship 2.0 with 4x the volume would be more like 600T. 4.2 million is crazy. But Elon probably could build a rocket of this sort for mars.
Great video...Thank you
That was quite impressive I might add!
i don't think something this enormous would sound exactly like the Saturn V - i know u had to use some audio for the launch and seeing that the Saturn V is the greatest sounding rocket ever it would be impossible to even imagine what a rocket that looks 3 - 4 times bigger than the Saturn V would even sound like - good attempt tho
Looks really cool but by today's standards, it's an overpriced onetime use piece of crap. Add to that this is "can't do anything right" "never on time always over budget" Boeing we are talking about...
20 years ago this would have made a hell of a lot of sense but not today.
Well this concept was from 52 years ago. 🤷
@@praveenneevarp4822 Yep and back then it was an excellent concept. The problem is that Boeing is trying to float the idea as something new. I just wish Boeing would learn how to engineer and be creative again rather than take the lazy way out. The 737 Max SNAFU is a great example of that.
@@alderwolf7687 Yeah, andbecause of their lack of innovation these days, upstart SpaceX is surpassing them
@@alderwolf7687 This is a concept from freaking 1968 dude. Boeing isn't "trying" anything with this, the Boeing that proposed this is, as well as the people involved, are all deader than doornails. Don't let your hateboner for everyone that isn't Elon Musk make you say silly things, dude.
@@BirdieRumia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh course I know when it was originally proposed but there are people trying to resurrect it. Quit boohooing about you poor little hurt feelings and get back into your little safe place where you belong.
This is amazing work. Congratulations!
These have a little bit of the feel of a Gerry Anderson production when it's time to Deploy The Toys.
But, really, phenomenal work! Please make more and more and more!
Boeing isn’t competent enough today to pull this off. Their corporate interference and mismanagement by former Mcdonald Douglas executives/personnel has absolutely ruined them.
you would think they'd learn their lesson eventually...
If Boeing wants to do this, I think they ought to put on their big boy pants and do it on their own to prove it's possible, then sell the service. Just like other businesses do. But they won't because they have been on the welfare line too long.
@@aarrcchhoonntt "Does building a really big dumb rocket require significant competence, though?"
It does. Compare how the N2 rocket from russia went with the Saturn V.
This rocket wouldn't have worked anyway. Not enough DeltaV
Boeing: "Oh we have a design flaw? There's an app for that."
Great!
Its just awesome, love the way you depict the scenes.....
Now that is an absolute unit
Can you imagine how long they would take to build it and how much it would cost!
HAZY!!! that was great! I wouldn't trust current Boeing to pull this off though
VERY nicely done.
These are always a most welcome treat.
1:00 that's pretty rusty ship, I can see the NASA budget here :)
1:26 Russian meddling :)
3:44 boosters' residual flames go against the airflow? Flames must be bent in the opposite direction, as detached boosters still have a lot of momentum and fly in the same direction as the main rocket.
4:15 the main axis of the stage and the direction of the flight (according to the Earth rotation) do not coincide. From the viewpoint of this camera the Earth surface should slide bottom to top, not right to left.
you can never have enough boosters
This...is...AMAZING with headphones or a good system.
AMAZING animation
"That's a big Twinkie." -- Winston Zeddimore
ALRIGHT, HOW DID NASA GET MY KSP IDEAS
Ikr
It looks badass, great job...
Americans, I see, only cartoons and learned to launch in CZcams into space, this is where all the greatness ends
1:55 The sound of the engines starting is from this video of the Saturn V czcams.com/video/Iwn4LVVvAUQ/video.html&t=14
Please do the Liberty Ship ! Closed cycle gas core nuclear thermal rocket (nuclear lightbulb). 3000sec. specific impulse,1000 tonnes payload SSTO
That's a pretty cool concept. IMO the biggest issue with nuclear propulsion is regulatory in nature, it's just hard to get permission to build that stuff if you're not a government organisation.
@@jeffvader811 It's not hard. It's impossible.
Nuclear thermal rockets (especially the nuclear lightbulb kind) require weapons grade U-235/U-233. So it's a NO-GO. But if NASA ever manages to escape the death grip of the military industrial complex,nuclear rockets represent basically the only way to beat SpaceX.
@@reasonforlife214
Didn't know that, it's such a shame that we can't do this stuff just in case someone builds a bomb. Kinda wish we were better than that but hey ho.
@@jeffvader811 do yourself a favor and google projectrho/atomic rockets. Thank me later
@@jeffvader811 Any actor that has access to weapons grade Uranium can make a bomb. So if he/she chooses to spent that uranium in the core of an NTR it probably means that is a good actor. Also while U235 is super expensive cause it's about 0.5% of the uranium ore,the U-233 can actually be bread from thorium,which is much more abundant (especially on the moon) and is also a better fuel 90% chance of fission instead 85% chance of U235
Given how *LOUD* the Saturn V was, the launch pad for such a big rocket could not be built on land even with massively-uprated water sound suppression systems. That's why this and the equally crazy Sea Dragon proposal had to launch out at sea, which the massive amount of seawater would act as a natural sound suppression system.
what a great, crazy concept.
Are we sure it has enough boosters, though? 🤔
Nahhhh. They should add small Srb's on the big Srb's
Hmmm.... We need more BOOSTERS
And you have to buy a new one, every time it launches. Come on boeing, how long are they going to ride the "non reusable" wave.
this was proposed in 1968
No, SLS isn't a "Senate Launch System".
The REAL purpose for SLS is to get NASA a heavy lift rocket they've been wanting for ages, with the lowest amount of engineering required - as it was thought "for cheap". Although it turned out to be expensive, most of these costs have been recurrent ones - engineer salaries, factory maintenance, etc. If most of your yearly budget for a project are costs you have to pay every year, it baloons up. Just a simple example:
You need to produce something for 60 dollars and you need to spend 80$ per X time to rent the tools you need for it.
If your boss gives you 100$ per X, you will spend a total of 300$ before the project is complete, but if he gives you 140$ per X then you only spend the 140$. Although it may seem counter-intuitive, sometimes the cheapest way to get something done is to give the one doing it more money.
the launch animation is incredibly realistic!!
Marine life, say hello to ridiculous rocket. Ear drums of marine life, say goodbye to the ability to hear.
4 million pounds?
_Looks at Kerbal Space Program_
*PATHETIC*
lbs? lbs? What archaic unit is that? Sounds like something from when Great Britannia ruled the waves.
Though I guess this *does* rule the waves, or at least, creates waves in the ocean. :-o
Lbs = pounds
@@cooperbennett3043 yeah.. you know, it was more like... a rhetorical question. ;-)
yeah.... bothers me even more that almost the entire world use FEET to measure altitude on planes, the most ironic and old unit of measurement.
@@brianfhunter yeah... though, of course... while it may seem the entire world to citizens of the USA, the rest of the world actually uses km. In fact, I think the metric system is used in the whole world, aside from the US... and myanmar. ;-)
But I agree it can be very persistent in some cases, inexplicable. For instance, for some reason, even in some European countries the measurements of screens of a PC is often shown in inches, while for all the rest (even screens of TV's) one uses cm. It's weird. I guess it's because it's imported and (relatively) new in that given context, so one just went along with it.
@@AniMageNeBy The US has used SI units (on an official level) for well over a hundred years, it's just that the SI units were simply converted to imperial units for convenience. In fact every imperial unit in the US is defined by an SI unit.
I like to think that their engineers were just messing around in KSP and thought "hey, this design isn't half bad"
this is actually cool!