Barista Touch Impress Vs The Rest?
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- If you're thinking about going Barista Touch Impress, how does it compare to the other main suspects?
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I have the touch impress...at that price, there's nothing to er touch it!
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Great video! Do you have a recommended setting/setup to make a great Coffee Creama with the Barista Touch Impress? It would be really helpful to get an advice from you.
İ got one sage touch impress exsp. since two days. And i am a noobie noob. Come from making filter coffee 😅 it’s another level of coffee taste and it’s so EZ. I have to find the correct taste for me Making flat white is so good and it tastes great. Thanks a lot. I watched ur videos before buy it. And some German CZcamsrs also. great content and it’s funny to watch ur videos.
Glad you're enjoying the machine, and my videos. Thanks for the kind words! 😀🙏
I've been thinking this might be the best compromise for my wife and me. I don't like super autos and she hates the faffing about involved with the bambino plus, esp, tamper and single dosing. Something for me to think about I guess.
Danke!
Very kind of you! 🙏🙏
Thanks Kev!
What would you suggest for 2 lattes daily - Breville Touch Impress or Dual Boiler?
I've used the Dual Boiler and everything about it was great! I am just trying to decide if the newer tech in the Impress is superior to the "old" DB.
Great content by the way!
Hi Jeff, in my humble opinion, you can't beat the DB, it's a fantastic machine, and I am a huge fan.
Cheers
Kev
Hi Kev, great video, do you ever have plans to review brands like La Marzocco or Decent, appreciate these are more specialist/high end and not such mass market consumer machines, but with the likes of the recent LM Micra, perhaps those lines are getting more blurred.
Hi Mark,
I've got loads of video's planned for next year :-)
Hi, Sharon from Canada. Loved your video. I bought the DeLonghi Dinamica. Not really impressed with it. For a 2 thousand dollar machine the coffee and latte's are not hot. I have to microwave my coffee for 20 seconds everytime. Is the coffee/latte's hot with this machine. This is the only thing holding me back on spending this kind of money again. Thank you
Just sent my Touch Impress Truffle back for a replacement, only had it for 3 days and went to issues right away. Went to put fresh new beans, did the intelligent brew setup which starts at 15 grind settins but suddenly its not grinding the coffee although I could feel and hear it grinding. It started grinding when I went to 23 grind settings, and when I put the portafilter with the 23 grind beans there is no water puahing thru the portafilter. Played with it a little bit and increase the grind setting to 27 and its when it pulled out some espresso which tasted horrible. Tried 2 more separate beans bet light to medium roast and went thru the same problem. Hopefully my new replacement comes soon.
That's weird, no espresso flowing is a choked machine, too finely ground, but I'm surprised to hear that at such a high grind setting, so it sounds like a grinder calibration issue, actually just changing the inner burr setting higher would probably have sorted it, but it is unusual to choke at 23. The stopping grinding, did it sound normal or was it making a fast clicking sound? Ta, Kev
Great video!
I have had a few superautomatics, and I currently have a Delonghi Maestosa, which is a quite expensive dual grinder machine. I bought this so that I could have both powerful espressos (darker roasts) and black coffee (lighter roasts) using different beans, but I find the espresso to be slightly dissappointing, as with any other superautomatic.
I have for long been looking at the Oracle Touch, but I have read a few to many reports that critisize the auto tamp, which after a while may stop working properly. I do not know if this is only happening to a few machines or if this is a weakness, but I would love to know :-) Other than that, is the Barista Touch Impress better than the Oracle touch in any areas at all, other than the guidance? What about the grinder, which I read had been upgraded on the Barista Touch Impress (Baratza M2)?
Again, excellent video! :-)
From what I've read and seen online, the Oracle Touch's auto tamp is pretty durable. The Oracle's tamping mechanism is actually a smart tamper plus a ground distributor, so in theory it should be able to brew better shots than the Touch Impress. However, it cannot completely replace manual puck prep techniques such as WDT (a.k.a. needle), so to some fastidious coffee enthusiasts it might seem subpar. For normal users though, the Oracle Touch is literally the best of both worlds: (almost) bean-to-cup convenience and great taste.
The Touch Impress has faster startup time at 3 seconds because it uses Thermojet. The Oracle has dual boilers so it's slower. Temp stability is better on the Oracle. Other than that, the Oracle is superior. The guidance on the Touch Impress is not exactly better, but it is more detailed because you have to do more work after all.
The Delonghi Maestro is just awful. Don't expect espresso quality similar to professional machine. It is a machine for complete newbies disguised as an expensive barista-standard machine.
P/s: I have the Breville Barista Touch. I have tested the Delonghi Maestro a few times. I do not have the Oracle.
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Hi Kev. Have Sage sent you the new Oracle Jet yet?
I want it, but Im just looking for a machine that will give me espresso lattes/ Macchiato, etc like the ones I get at Starbucks. It's not for a hobby but I want good espresso machine that will last me a long time. What you recommend please 🙏 thank you!
Has Breville fixed the Barista Touch Impress cold brew temps in the US yet? Firmware B.17,B17 .
Hi great videos, is the oracle touch capable of 40 cups daily for our office? TIA
Hi Simon,
No, it isn't a machine that would work in an office, These are really for home use, If you are looking for an office machine please have a look at beanmachines.co.uk
Ta
Kev
My Trüffel touch impress just turned up a few hours ago, on first glance it seems to be great, but the milk frothing is a little underwhelming,
In what way? Have you played around with the milk froth settings? Ta, Kev.
Thought I found the perfect machine but I am reading a lot about temp issues especially for long blacks etc... have they fixed this or can someone recommend something similar please
Are the burrs on the touch impress better than the normal impress? I thought I I read the touch impress had baratza burrs?
That’s correct, they are the same as in the baratza encore esp
Hi Kev. You sold me on the touch impress but then I saw several discussions on reddit about the unreliability of a large percentage of these machines. Have you heard this since posting your review? Not sure what to do.
I have the touch impress, only had it maybe 3months, but no issues at all, been fantastic so far.
This machine is like a box of chocolates, “you never know what your ganna get” 😂
I have the original Barista Touch and sadly I don't see a compelling reason to spend an extra $500 on the Touch Impress. Now if it included a standardized 58mm portafilter in addition to the upgraded grinder and to me actually the useless integrated tamper then I could start to see the 50% increase in price. Ideally, I'd like to see more programmability like you see in the Decent espresso machine .. then that would have been a slam dunk easy breezy sale!!!
The touch impress is intended for people who want fully automatic type user experience and home barista cup quality. The impress puck system is the main part of this, if you don't need this then this machine really isn't aimed at you. The grinder is also upgraded in the touch, after a certain manufacture date (I'm not sure what that date is), as far as I'm aware all the integrated grinder machines except the Barista Express, have the etzinger burrs now.
Re decent type programmability, again this machine really isn't aimed at that level of user, but this is something I think would be amazing if built into the pro and/or the dual boiler - and I'd be shocked if Breville aren't already at least investigating this kind of tech.
Have you seen this?: kafmasino.com/one/ I have one at the moment, video coming soon. Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev .. The primary reason the integrated tamper to me is useless is there's no WDT plus I have a calibrated tamper, etc that makes it pretty simple. In addition to web integration (IoT), computational brewing (super easy to add to an advanced screen), would be to offer a single dose. Breville bellow add-on and yes I'm aware people sell those. The home market is primarily based upon single dose then taking expensive coffee and a simply leaving it in a huge bin to outgas and become stale overnight.
My point was that the integrated tamper itself isn't worth an extra $500. Also yes, as I mentioned, yes I'm aware that the conical grinder has been upgraded. What would be interesting as a video comparing the two .. Barista Touch vs Touch Impress grinder in both yield and consistency of grind size. Adding additional grinder settings doesn't mean anything considering you can add additional settings to the conical bar by simply twisting and turning.
I'm in a home where myself and my daughter are "barista hobbyists" and my wife and son-in-law are barely novice. I don't think our arrangement other than having adult kids living with you is so unusual, people have teenagers that drink coffee and even a husband and wife or whatever aren't always as into coffee as the other but still enjoy the taste!
@@Coffee_Kev .. Forgot to mention, No I have not heard of the Kafmasino ONE until you had mentioned it. I'm aware that there are similar mods floating around and it seems like the commercial industry is also doing as I've mentioned. I have -zeroed out- zero doubt what I mentioned will be integrated in the next few years or sooner by all the major brands including Breville. The price seems reasonable if I saw it correctly for around $1,200 USD. We have an okay size kitchen but when you start putting all kinds of "stuff" on your counter: Breville largest toaster oven, Breville Touch, Breville mixer, KitchenAid mixer, Technivorm Moccamaster Select, baskets for your fruit and vegetables, daily use spices, my vaping center, etc and etc you can't have multiple grinders with multiple espresso machines unless you have a mammoth cavernous kitchen. 👌🤪
Hi Kev. I am writing from Denmark. Thank you for your channel and your very informative videos. I would like to buy a Sage coffee machine, and right now I can get the Touch Oracle and the Touch Impress for basically the same price. Does the Touch Impress have something extra, that the "older" Oracle Touch does not have? Do you think, that there is a new Oracle Touch Impress coming soon, and should I wait for that? Which one would you choose, if the price was the same?
I had Sage Oracle Touch and under warranty the machine was replaced 4 times because we always had problems with heating up. Since yesterday I have owned Sage Barista Touch Impress and I'm really impressed with the Technology !
Correct me if I'm wrong. The Touch Impress has a tamper whereas the Touch does not. That's it. Programming is the same. The settings are the same. Milk frothing is automatic. Both have a sensor. So why spend 50% more just to have the grounds tamped? The touch impress is $1,499 vs $999 for the touch in the USA.
I was thinking the same. Why recommend the touch impress or oracle (both very expensive) when the touch does almost the same things? Does this mean the coffee from the touch is subpar compared to touch impress?
The Barista Touch Impress (BTI) has superior programming than the Barista Touch.
The BTI has smart dosing feature thanks to the integrated tamper. It has volumetric sensor and can tell whether the shot flows too fast or too slow; it will tell you to change the grind size accordingly. It knows when to purge the grinder, the brew head and the steam wand and will remind you appropriately. Also the auto milk steamer has separate options for different types of milk.
Basically, at this price point, it is the only machine with that much guidance capability. You can trust an absolute beginner to use the BTI and still produce an acceptable cup of espresso.
In my opinion, the BTI's value drops sharply if its user is not a complete newbie and does not need its guiding features.
I decided to go with the Touch because I'm a relatively advanced hobbyist. One thing I like about the Touch is the clearance below the grind chute, plenty of space to fit the official Breville dosing ring. It's a great piece of accessory by the way - very happy that Breville includes it with the Touch.
I can't figure out if you said Breville was Sunbeam in Australia? This is not the case. Breville is an Australian company and sold as Sage in UK because the name was taken.
The Breville machines sold in the UK, are owned by the same company that owns Sunbeam and Mr Coffee, so the Breville Barista Max in the UK, is the same as the Sunbeam Barista Max in Aus. They're sold as Sage Appliances in Europe as Breville Worldwide sold the Brand name in Europe back in the 80s.
coffeeblog.co.uk/sage-breville-same-company/
Ta, Kev.
Really unsure whether to get this, or the bambino plus with a good grinder...
really depends on you & what you're looking for, if you're going down the hobby route, really getting into the home barista hobby, then in my opinion a stand alone setup would be the better option. This is really intended for people who're wanting bean to cup features and convenience with the cup quality of traditional espresso. Ta, Kev.
Depends on your level of engagement 😊 I have a bambino plus with a good grinder but I am not that much into playing with espresso anymore. It's too big of a learning curve for the other family members too. I am selling the set up and will be getting the touch impress instead.
I’ve been using a bambino plus and eureka mignon specialita grinder since lockdown. The wife has been using her pod machine because she can’t be bothered with the faffing involved. We’ve just bought a touch impress as it will we think be a machine that both of us will use more.
IDK if i should buy the impress touch or pay my rent. I havent decided
Go for the impress touch. Set priorities. You can't pay rent if you don't have good coffee.
I didnt understand what he said at the end😩 that touch impress has not the same quality espresso (not that good) than classic espresso mashines? 7:24
No, on the contrary, I'm saying that these machines, being traditional portafilter espresso machines, produce "true" espresso, vs fully automatic bean to cup machines that produce something slightly different.
@@Coffee_Kev thank you very much🙂
Kev, please advise!! We love espresso but have never used the Auto MilQ (milk warmer) in our current Barista Express.
Which one to choose for an upgrade: Barista Touch Impress or Oracle Touch?
Many thanks 😉
The key differences between the Oracle Touch and the Impress Touch are: price, dual boiler (Oracle) vs. Thermojet, 54mm (Touch Impress) vs. 58mm (Oracle) portafilter and the alternative milk (Milq) steaming, as well as step by step barista guidance in the Touch Impress. The Touch Impress is amazing value when compared to the Oracle Touch. If you intend to go deep down the espresso rabbit hole, get a dedicated grinder, geek out over the details and nuances of your coffee, then go with the Oracle. It has a higher potential for “greatness”. However, if you just want to enjoy cafe style/quality drinks at home and don’t mind NOT being able to steam milk while pulling a shot simultaneously, then the Touch Impress is a fine choice.
I decided on the Touch Impress myself, and an very pleased.
Beware of the Touch Impress, myself and many in forums have had quality issues. Mostly power supply problems followed by poor customer service. As soon as this thing is out of warranty, I'm selling it and moving on.
Hmm that's odd, I've not heard of any power supply problems, and a lot of people email me with problems about their machines. There have been some initial or batch issues with it as is usual with a new machine, but a power supply issue is news to me. Where are you based? Maybe it's specific to the 110 volt machines?
@@Coffee_Kev Europe. I know two others just here on Madeira island with similar issues. Maybe it is/was a batch problem? I hope it's not pervasive as otherwise, it's a great machine.
My 18 month old touch...the grinder is toast. Customer service is poor. Had to wait 2 weeks for a part which i knew wouldn't fix the issue. Now I have to wait for them to ship the packaging and label, send it to be repaired and wait for it to be shipped back. Someone who spends this much on a machine can NOT go without coffee for over a month. I'm dying.
The touch impress has only 2 years warranty.
The Oracle Touch has been out for awhile. When do you think Sage/Breville will update the model?
Possibly ;-)
You're talking very quickly in this video, I had to slow it down to 0.75 😅
Haha oops! Too much coffee 😉🤣