I got to release unexpressed pain around 2 things that I wasn't expecting. 1. When Liz mentioned asking God:"where have you been all the times that I needed you?" For her to be answered:"I've always been here, but you kept distracting yourself from me" Justin then went on to quote something from his faith and that's when I broke. I realised that I had never experienced God in religious practices and institutions but in moments when I connected to myself. Like on my walks to and from school, I would converse with God and feel the presence. 2. "When you have been abandoned you tend to re-abandon yourself". A couple weeks ago I was "doing the work"😂😂(inner child work/parts work as it were) and realised that I don't feel safe in the world coz I don't feel safe with myself. The unconditional love and presence I've longed for from others are things that I've been depriving myself. Thank you for this episode. Love y'all ♥️
Damn.. I just came here from a Tik tok with "the epic Liz's line" and the whole interview didn't disappoint. I'm amazed with the podcast theme. Thank you for this memorable and valuable content.
this hit home for me. i was neglected as a child and resonated with liz’s experiences more than i would like to admit. the part where they mention how we feel abandoned, and through that we continue to abandon ourselves. at the end of the day, it’s all about self-love, care & respect. currently crying. thank you for this episode
I am a woman of color listening all the way from France, and I never thought I’ll get hooked to a podcast called Man Enough. I am learning and reflecting on so much regarding myself, men, the society… I love watching you three have conversations with great guests, but this one with just the three of you I really enjoyed. Liz : I am in awe of you a little bit more each day. And I really appreciate the bond you guys have, it makes me think of my friendships with the men of my life that I am so grateful for. I appreciate you all so much. Thank tou for sharing these conversations with us 🤍
Liz, your answer to when Jamey asked what makes you qualified to be part of the man enough conversation was so badass. I was not expecting that answer and yet it was the perfect answer. You are definitely the best listener out of the 3 of you and I was so happy to learn more about you after this episode! As someone who also needs to show myself I can do life on my own before I enter a serious relationship I totally feel you.
This podcast is the most inspiring, informative platform that I've ever learned from it shifted my awareness and made me realize so many things. thank you liz for sharing your experiences and thank you jamey and justin for this wonderful podcast. all the people you hosted have so much to give and you all gave me alot. I'm so grateful ❤️ Sarah
Just the beginning when Liz says "I think not feeling enough is my baseline" Jesus🙌 I can't tell you how deep I felt that. When I heard that it was like putting a name to the lake I swim in and me realizing that I am fish for the very first time in my life. This whole episode is so familiar to my being and what I'm walking through in life right now. Episode after episode the first question always blows my mind. Because how is it that so many of us are walking around not feeling "enough" yet never really talking about it. I loved this episode and we need part 2 of anything Liz wants to talk about 🙌🥰 thank you for overcoming ur struggles and persist on putting this amazing work out there. It's healing so many 🥰❤🙌
I relate a lot to Liz, I loved this episode. I feel like I finally found someone who has been through similar things and I feel comforted by that. I hope she continues to heal through her childhood trauma 💕 was a great episode!
This was such a good episode! I got emotional multiple times and learned/clarified things I hadn't known before. Two big insights: 1. I haven't been letting myself feel safe in situations where I am, and I can give myself permission to change that 2. The part about other people needing you to feel broken to make them feel like they're not was something that I sort of knew but hadn't heard articulated like that. It made me see some people in my life a little differently than I had before. Thanks for this!
Awww, Ive been waiting for this podcast ever since you said Liz would have a show about her. I was very teary eyed seeing the appreciation, respect and love Justin and Jamey have for Liz, the love is palpable. I certainly know the effects of childhood neglect, it can be so deceiving if your need for food and shelter were met, emotional neglect has a HUGE impact, and as Liz said, you end up with a personality that is only coping mechanisms. And it's so easy to be attracted to love bombing narcissists.
I feel so connected to you, Liz, right now. Thank you for sharing your truth. It made me realize that we’ve been through very similar things. I’m learning through you guys that my experience matters and that I should trust myself more when something feels wrong… Love you guys so much! ❤️ A fellow french canadian
I’m always trying to throw this podcast on or watch these videos when my boyfriend is around-dropping subtle hints because I think he’d benefit a lot from “doing the work” (lol). And he got defensive when the conversation about broken men finding broken women and keeping them broken for their own power and benefit. And he said it before Jamie, “well not all men!!” Then Jamie added that disclaimer that we don’t generalize here and I saw a few walls come down. So thank you for keeping it real, is all.
Thank you for sharing and trying to get your boyfriend to open up to this. It's a process and we'll keep trying to make it accessible. We will always keep it real, for sure.
I found this podcast/channel recently through my girlfriend and have been BINGING episodes. Liz is such a superstar and I appreciate so much that most episodes she will sit quietly and just listen, then jump in with a really challenging question or two that give us a new perspective as men. What an amazing person and such a powerful asset to have on this show along with the 2 other brilliant co-hosts.
Through my journey into becoming a feminist, it made me care about and see men more than I did. Liz is a great reminder of "for the love of men", because it's not just focusing on the harms of men and trying to get them to stop, but also loving men so they can heal, too. The mindset of "I love you, too" in regards to men is important to keep in mind.
Yes, ultimately the goal is for us all to be able to love each other. The division, us vs them mentality, and oppression through structures of power and control only hurt us all.
As much as I respect anyone's capacity for Brilliance in the realm of Intellect..... It's only in witnessing authentic vulnerability, that I actually listen to what is being said. All due Love and Respect for the moments Liz showed and ever shows up in her Vulnerability. Power without Vulnerability is asymmetrical and disingenuous. I'm ever Grateful for the Compliment, Balance, and Vigilance Liz brings to the work of Healing and Liberating Men 💪🏼
First time watching man enough. Struggling the last 5 years with infertility issues, a thyroid cancer and the death of my dad, I can feel what Liz says about God. Spending hours wondering where is God now. Why He doesn't help me. But Justin said it all. I cried so much with the parable and now I can understand. And I feel relieved. Thank you. Keep up the good work. (sorry for my English)
Welcome! Thank you for your support and sharing your touching story with us. Our thoughts are with you, and grateful to have been able to give you some relief.
A student asked me, "How do you think the patriarchy affects arts education?" That question has led me on a fantastic journey of looking at gender roles and why subjects are chosen, to lead to making money, rather than nurturing their soul. This Podcast is really enlightening in that journey. Thank you.
Liz, I really appreciate the “present,” honest, vulnerable, answers that you gave. And I love your expressed humor. I learned so much & through what & how you shared, I found questions to ask myself & ways I can be more responsible for my own emotions & relationships. Really helpful. And fascinating! You shared a spectrum of emotions. And I love how the exuberance of your young self comes out so much! We need that! Definitely one of my fav episodes. Liz, I also appreciate you bringing up non-binary & I think suggesting that gender doesn’t have to be an either/or…it’s all connected. “Bi-nary” can become another way to make us believe we’re separate when we are all connected & a part of each other. Liz, Jamie & Justin…incredible collaboration. I love the love! Thank you ☀️♥️
This is for sure one of the best episodes you guys put out. So refreshing, some episodes I learn one or two things but this is one that was just lesson after lesson so many gems and so helpful
I never experienced the feeling of seeing myself reflected so closely like I did in this episode with Liz; you have a new follower. I feel like so many women have the same experience, and we are so conditioned to think that's how life is supposed to be, that we don't question it anymore. Being a single Mexican woman in my 30s, I understand and feel this podcast is very enlightening; you are doing an amazing job 👏 congratulations.
@ENDA_21 I see that you created this youtube account 14 days ago and you have been commenting on this episode, 9 times to be exact, I don't know what is your problem, but there are other ways to express your feelings if you are frustrated and have difficulties and/or don't agree with this podcast you don't need to waste your time we don't do negative in this community. Find your peace little human 💛
Hi, I am just a passerby went through your videos a couple of times. I did enjoy the talk and the rationale comes up with you guys talk every time. Fortunately, the man I love empowers me not taking my power, but boosting me up with positive stimulation all the time. I grew up a lot watching him grow. And I'm still growing . It's nice to see people are solving their internal issues more openly than before without any shame. Shame kills us , our personality and thought processes. Being shameless is good for health. People should accept themselves for who they are and with dignity. What you need is a good RO,and UV filtration process for the senses.
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Thank you, Liz for inspiring so many people but also thank you for inspiring me. This was a beautiful conversation and I am so grateful that I found this podcast. Sending love
Before the first Rapid Fire question was asked, I asked myself that very question. What do I need? I suddenly started crying and wrote, to feel wanted and needed. Your answer also made me cry as well. It meant the same thing to me as well. No one ever asked me that question. Thank you for that. I needed to ask and answer that question. I feel better seeing in writing ✍️🏾✍️🏾✍️🏾✍️🏾💜
Wow..... Liz is 100 percent how she talks to herself , myself also...... I hit all the boxes . My parents were present, married, happy but absent. Dad worked 24/7 , Mom was depressed deeply and there but miserable therefore making us miserable. I got critiqued if my bangs were out of place or eyeliner too thick, etc...... and now I'm as an adult undoing those voices . Also see the broken men as my type. I have to save them... I have to help them. Seeing now that I do not want someone broken. I'm whole. I want someone else who is whole too. THANK-YOU FOR THIS. You should have Shawn Mendes on again now after his breakup and healing. He was an amazing guest.
30:32 for me, the problem isn't men feeling small in my presence, because there's moments where I am the bigger person, the one more knowledgeable or the one making better decisions. the problem starts when they feel small not because of my presence or skillset as a person, but based on the sole fact that I am a woman with that presence or skillset. Love this episode btw. Thank you all always for the amazing experience.
Thank you. Glad you came to check it out. It's certainly not just for men. We want to call men in to help them to grow and feel safe being more vulnerable. This is for all humans to move towards a better future together. Welcome to our community.
Thank you so much Liz. We are all connected. By genuinely sharing your journey, what you've been missing in your childhood, how this has impacted you and your relationships, how you have been accompanying your inner child and yourself, basically how you have taken responsibility for yourself, you are helping us so much in our own healing path. It all makes sense. Am in awe as always about the quality of the content and of the interactions between the three of you. So uplifting!
Thank you for joining the conversation and being vulnerable with us. We're so glad we could share this with you and hope it helps on your journey towards healing.
This is my first time watching this podcast and I've got to say I'm very impressed, I tend to be hesitant with podcasts and especially ones that approach deep topics because they can feel super aggressive and it scares me off. Listening to you guys talk calmly about these things made it so much easier to take in and apply to myself. I'm putting in a lot of work to deal with some pretty severe childhood trauma right now and Liz's words really resonated with me. I also tend to fear men on podcasts a bit especially because of the other men I've seen do podcasts, you guys on the other hand really blew me away a bit. I'm not used to seeing such calm and respectful conversation and I'm grateful I got to see it. Definitely gained a new subscriber ☺️
We are so happy you found us! Thanks for your support, and grateful that we have been able to help on your journey in healing. We look forward to your insights on our other episodes. You are enough!
I love so much about this episode! The kindness and respect and love that you three clearly have for each other and the atmosphere of real intimacy that are hallmarks of this whole endeavor really shine through. By following this conversation I feel that I have come to know and love you all, too, and having this opportunity for Liz to share so much of herself was such a privilege. The part about how hard meditation is, and the wanting to punch people for whom it seems to come easily, really resonated with me, too. What a struggle! Yet the insight from the spirit guide, "I have always been here, you just have to slow down and listen," surely gets at one of the most profound truths that cuts across all forms of religious belief and spiritual striving. Thank you, thank you, for what you're doing to help raise the level of discourse in our society!
It's so important to have a space on safety and honesty, and glad that you responded to it! Thank you for joining us in these conversations and can't wait to share more with you.
Beautiful, inspiring conversation❤. It was lovely to learn of Liz's journey into her true self and her service for Humanity. What a Bounty to be on that straight and far reaching path. Thank you for sharing💗
Resonating so hard with neglect being as damaging if not more than abuse. My parents had a messy divorce and used my older brother and I as ammo in the courts. We dealt with it differently, he became naughty and I became withdrawn. He got a lot of attention but me and my terrible coping mechanisms slipped under the radar and I eventually "learned" I deserved abandonment. It's taken me years to undo this.
No better way to start the morning ❤️ I love Liz's strength and confidence, she's so inspiring. I was jotting down a few things in my journal when Jamey asked her the question about what she would say to her 9 year old self and she said "I would ask her what she needs" - I've literally drawn a sketch of my "inner child" and her emotions two days ago and one of the questions I "asked" her in my journal was "what does she need". I had chills all over my body when I went back a few seconds to hear Liz saying it again while simultaneously reading it in my notes 🥰 Thanks for this episode, it was so powerful (as always)!
I feel like Liz voiced all my pain that many women carry. Kind of weird Jamie wants her to end up with a man when she clearly said she’s open to both (what’s wrong with us women, Jamie! 😂) but I do hope Liz is with someone who acts as a prism as well. I loved this talk. 🌈
Two song quotes came to mind: "I came in as bright as a neon light and I left burned out right there before him" (Lesson In Survival, Joni Mitchell) and, "I'm looking for a hard-headed woman" (Thank you Yusuf/Cat Stevens) Liz... how to simplify all the thoughts.. Thank you. I hope you can feel that happy joy I feel, we feel when you walk in the room. It is moving to hear your tender heart, and, see those beautiful eyes soften. Justin, Jamey and Liz, what a trio that is helping me so deeply moving through the winter of my life.
35.29 Liz is so smart and quick with her answer. It´s all over the rest of this video and others that she does, but I am particularly impressed at 35.29.
My favorite thing about this podcast is that no one is yelling and arguing, it’s a legit conversation coming from a place of “I want to UNDERSTAND!” Not I want to respond.
Amen ! God is with us always , has always been and will always been . He just waits for us to call Him . His Divine Mercy has no limits .🙏 Beautiful podcast filled with love , truth and respect . 💙
Oh my Goodness what a conversation.Liz you are An Amazing Human.I wish I had the tools 40 years ago to Bend the Rules of the PATRIARCHY that the man should be the Provider and Stronger Person in a relationship or marriage. I basically declined career process because I was afraid to outshine my husband because he was not career focused.But then with my personality I also think I might have been responsible for neglecting my family because of the commitment I made toy family.Liz I am certain there are many women who watched this podcast who will feel the same as me But Im also sure your story and journey will be helping other women to Be Brave Enough to not settle for what the so called rule of the PATRIARCHY...Justin my favorite parables is the Footprint because at times when I feel God has abandoned me I try to remember that he is not walking beside me but carrying me.Jamey snd Liz always challenge eachbothet in such a positive way I Love that about you.....Liz may you find your person to complete you. MUCH LOVE Gwen
I feel so seen 💛 I really relate to what you had to say, Liz, especially around being a strong woman, feeling like you need to do and fix it all on your own. That's been me! And it's a journey to unravel it.
What an episode! I related to so many things Liz said, what a woman! I teared up when Justin and Jamey shared their hopes for her, it was just so damn beautiful. And i'm just so glad to see more men in the comment section with every new episode, that means the podcast is reaching more men yaay!
What a episode guys!! First, thank you Liz for sharing a bit part of your life. Seeing you answering some of the questions, i think it was a little painful for you and i really appreciate your honesty and courage. Thank you. I feel connected with some of the things Liz said. For some reason, i also feel that some of the charasteristica that we link to masculinity (like hiding the emotions, one of my particular problems), i learnt to copy them when i was a child, i hated feeling treat like "a girl" or people saying to me that "this is what girls do", i hated princess and all this stuff. I dont have logical reasons to why i emulated mens, but it feels that part of my childhood consisted of trying to build my particular armor with some of the things that mens usually, in this weird culture, represents (stronger, secure...) to feel more secure or strong, i dont know. The part when Liz talks about god also was sooo touching. I started to understand my relationship with god so late, maybe one or two years ago. Also when i was a child i felt that maybe god didnt want to talk with me, or i didnt understand how to talk with this divine power. Finally, i want to that i love jamey (i always love him) but in this podcast, i loved the question about why Liz was qualified to talk about masculinity. What a brilliant question! i was like: jamey, i love you for asking this. The liz's answer was also a mic drop. What a strong badass incredible beautiful answer. Thank you man enough team for sharing and creating this. Thank you for all of your work. You are beautiful people! Lots love!
Thanks for you always being with us and sharing your personal insights! There is so much to learn from each other and glad you felt a connection in this conversation.
I am curious what meditations Liz listens too. Especially the ones that help connect you to your spirit guides. Just discovered this podcast and Loving it so much! Thank you ❤️
Liz, I don't know if we come from the same "over-soul", but I can relate to your experience tenfold. And it's very rare for me to hear a woman's voice and be able to connect like this. The frequency that you beam is very authentic. Authenticity requires lots of work. Your guides protect you dearly. I would love to know how you experience your intuition? For instance, when you meet someone and it turns out that their just "the pattern", does you intuition light up, and if it does where and how? 🙏🏼 Thank you all, beautiful conversation!
This podcast always gives positive vibes and very informative ❤️❤️, I also read Justin's book and it was more than amazing, currently reading Liz's book
I like Liz’s answer that to be man enough is to have emotional responsibility. However, I think some men have trouble with emotions not only because they are not taking responsibility for their emotions but because they have learned that their emotions don’t matter. My boyfriend has expressed to me that he believes no one cares about how men feel. This makes me very sad and I hope we can create a safe space for everyone to express themselves fully/freely
Just finished listening again and it's such a great episode. While I'm not a spiritual person at all, it was nice to see the three of them connecting on that, as I don't think Liz has mentioned her spiritual journey at all up until this point. It seems to have brought her levels of peace she was looking for. It's also nice to see Liz with her guard down, since she's so often the one with the data or keeping the men honest. Just really great stuff. On a separate note, I took the plunge on Factor with the ME promo code. I've struggled with binge eating disorder all my life and it's been the worst its ever been with getting sober and finally dealing with my mental health issues this last hear. I'm unclear on what it is about the Factor meals that are working so well, but I'm in week 2 and haven't binged once. I've tried other meal services and, while they were good, they were nowhere near as good & consistent as Factor. I've liked every single meal so far. Just thought I'd share for those that might be on the fence. (And it's a seriously big discount, too.)
We appreciate all your support Ron and for bringing such great perspective to all of these conversations! Thank you for sharing with us, and we are so glad to hear that Factor has helped support you in your journey, it's such a balancing act in these times. You are enough!
Meditation is hard for me as well, at least the textbook standard is. Meditation is a state of consciousness rather than just something you do. I call it "Thinktation" Where I think and dive into a topic in silence in my head. And usually laying down in shavansana. It looks different for everyone, Liz! You are not alone here lol meditation can be hard!
I have a question for all three of you. That is because I was a latch key kid through my junior youth and youth. Can there be a blured line between the parents perception of sacrifice and the child's perception of neglect?
I rewatched and damn. If Liz and I aren't the same person lol ... so I wonder how much of this is true for others!?? How many other women try and fix the broken men or the unavailability status makes us think its8 temporary and we an change that. It's like that saying , when someone shows you them true colours, believe it . If someone says they're not ready to date or don't want anything serious, believe them. Don't try to change them. Go do you, love you first...which is hard.. "doing the work " f*cking sucks.. and it hurts.... but then you can heal.... after hurt, there's HEALING... and then , the right person I believe will happen, and be integrated with your life when meant to be. Love you all💜❤
As a man, I haven't heard anything here to help me. Where's the push to be strong with mental discipline and pursuit of truth and the bravery to fight for it?
This entire episode just makes my mind repeat "men written by women." And it made me realize that we find them attractive because the lead female role is always written equal to the male role. Because it's Men written by women for women, and from the women's perspective.
Can you please have Andrew Yang on the show? He talks about the importance of addressing men's issues in order to fix the world's problems, because when men struggle they take everyone down with them. For example, the latest episode of his podcast is called "The Boy Crisis".
I love spaces like this one where we can facilitate these conversations. That being said I had some reactions here. I thought there was a missed opportunity to acknowledge that neglect is on the spectrum of abuse. And even when making the distinction I felt it was unnecessary to validate the experience of neglect by saying it was "possibly even worse than abuse" which is not even true because a lot of times people are so habituated to the abuse they don't understand they're being abused. And yeah I would definitely say that neglect is a tool that abuse makes use of; it even feels to me like it constitutes a main aspect of it because even in actively abusing someone and giving them "attention" (another statement I had issues with- the idea that "at least being abused means you're getting attention" is something that is used against women of color and/or fat women to gaslight them about being raped for example. saying we should be happy we got any attention at all) that can make it even harder for the victim to identify it because the abuser will precisely use paying attention to them as a gaslighting opportunity. "what more do you want, I'm here aren't I?". But the point remains for me that I feel abuse and neglect aren't necessarily two distinct categories. Because you may be present, but by being "present" and being abusive, you're actually neglecting the person's wellbeing WHILE being present. If that makes sense. Also I would say for Liz that even had her parents been perfect, society surely isn't and I think no parenting unit can make up for the abuse systems of oppression inundate all of us with. So there doesn't have to be "outright abuse" for especially a woman in a childhood. Because society will take care of it for sure. I'm someone who has been r*ped as a child and had cancer by the time I was 22. But even without that I see that living in this society is stressful as hell for anyone even without obviously traumatizing "events" like mine. (Plus, neurotypes play into this too...as an autistic person for example for me all stimuli are multiplied). I’d also definitely like to see more multiply marginalized people here, especially in a consistent position. If we’re addressing systems of oppression it only makes sense to give us a voice when we’re most affected by it (which is like Liz says the reason why we’re so intimately familiar with those systems.), especially since we and by extension our knowledge are already being erased from those discussions a lot. I’d love to see more fat, Black&disabled women for example. I see there have been some guests but again considering the topic it makes sense (it could be especially enlightening to discuss some Black feminist texts. The Black feminist tradition has taught me a lot. I’d be happy to recommend books/authors etc if that’s useful to you at all at this stage) That being said again I appreciate these spaces more than anything else. And I see it’s a work of progress and I’m pleased to see there seems to be an awareness and grace about that here.
Thank you for sharing such important perspective, we really appreciate it! As you acknowledged, we are all learning in real time and are committed to doing better and will absolutely take this all into consideration. We think it's important to include a wide range of voices, and we will continue to do so as we look at our opportunities for these conversations. Thanks for joining the discussion and we look forward to sharing more with you.
@@WeAreManEnough Thank you, I love that you make it a point to hire someone to engage with so many comments here! Definitely speaks to your principles regarding whom you're doing this for (all of us). Thank you for hearing me
All my girl friends dont mind if we dont talk, write or see each other for a while... i couldnt handle someone who needs my attention all the time.. we all have a lifes. But that doesnt change the way we feel about each other.
"From coast, to coast, to coast -- we don't coast. We skate, as if there's no horizon." ~ Canada "An opus on life. Dance it out, to the full." ~ Paul Jung
So you don’t care if Amber heard is a liar . You don’t care if an innocent man loses his career and you don’t care if his children think that their dad has done this ? Or get bullied at school about what Amber heard put out there about their dad .?? You need a reality check
Yall should look into the author anne wilson shaef she wrote books on womens reality and the addictive system thought out the 1990-2018 so many years of insight into what your discussions are about
I think you should strongly think about your cohosts. As a woman of color sometimes it is very hard to listen to this podcast because I still feel left out of this conversation when the best people you can learn about the system from are the people at the bottom. I think Liz tries very hard to understand but always falls short and Jamie is very defensive and often feels like he hinders the conversation or Silences Liz.
Thank you for the feedback. The inclusion of necessary voices, especially those from women of color, is something we are absolutely dedicated to and acutely aware of the lack of in most media platforms, including ours. We have had many Black male voices on to date and have some incredible episodes with Black women and other women of color already recorded to release soon, yet there's still so much work to do. We will continue to have a majority of male-identifying voices, while also consistently inviting in female, non-binary, trans and other voices. We really appreciate you being here and challenging us in this way, as your perspective is valuable and necessary.
The relationship between Justin, Liz and Jamie is so beautiful to watch. And this podcast wouldn't be what it is without Liz. Great chemistry.
I got to release unexpressed pain around 2 things that I wasn't expecting.
1. When Liz mentioned asking God:"where have you been all the times that I needed you?" For her to be answered:"I've always been here, but you kept distracting yourself from me"
Justin then went on to quote something from his faith and that's when I broke.
I realised that I had never experienced God in religious practices and institutions but in moments when I connected to myself. Like on my walks to and from school, I would converse with God and feel the presence.
2. "When you have been abandoned you tend to re-abandon yourself". A couple weeks ago I was "doing the work"😂😂(inner child work/parts work as it were) and realised that I don't feel safe in the world coz I don't feel safe with myself. The unconditional love and presence I've longed for from others are things that I've been depriving myself.
Thank you for this episode.
Love y'all ♥️
We appreciate you sharing your reflections! Thanks for sticking with us on your journey. You are enough!
Damn.. I just came here from a Tik tok with "the epic Liz's line" and the whole interview didn't disappoint. I'm amazed with the podcast theme. Thank you for this memorable and valuable content.
Thank you so much for joining us. So much more here (or wherever you get podcasts: link.chtbl.com/ManEnough ), if you're interested.
this hit home for me. i was neglected as a child and resonated with liz’s experiences more than i would like to admit. the part where they mention how we feel abandoned, and through that we continue to abandon ourselves. at the end of the day, it’s all about self-love, care & respect. currently crying. thank you for this episode
Thanks for joining the conversation and being with us!
I am a woman of color listening all the way from France, and I never thought I’ll get hooked to a podcast called Man Enough. I am learning and reflecting on so much regarding myself, men, the society… I love watching you three have conversations with great guests, but this one with just the three of you I really enjoyed. Liz : I am in awe of you a little bit more each day. And I really appreciate the bond you guys have, it makes me think of my friendships with the men of my life that I am so grateful for.
I appreciate you all so much. Thank tou for sharing these conversations with us 🤍
Thank you so much for watching. and being apart of this community!
Liz, your answer to when Jamey asked what makes you qualified to be part of the man enough conversation was so badass. I was not expecting that answer and yet it was the perfect answer. You are definitely the best listener out of the 3 of you and I was so happy to learn more about you after this episode! As someone who also needs to show myself I can do life on my own before I enter a serious relationship I totally feel you.
This podcast is the most inspiring, informative platform that I've ever learned from it shifted my awareness and made me realize so many things. thank you liz for sharing your experiences and thank you jamey and justin for this wonderful podcast. all the people you hosted have so much to give and you all gave me alot.
I'm so grateful ❤️
Sarah
Wow! We're so happy to hear it's been helpful for you Sarah. Thanks for sticking with us, and so excited to share more with you.
“Where you never have to dim your light” made me so happy to hear. This is exactly it
Just the beginning when Liz says "I think not feeling enough is my baseline" Jesus🙌 I can't tell you how deep I felt that. When I heard that it was like putting a name to the lake I swim in and me realizing that I am fish for the very first time in my life. This whole episode is so familiar to my being and what I'm walking through in life right now. Episode after episode the first question always blows my mind. Because how is it that so many of us are walking around not feeling "enough" yet never really talking about it. I loved this episode and we need part 2 of anything Liz wants to talk about 🙌🥰 thank you for overcoming ur struggles and persist on putting this amazing work out there. It's healing so many 🥰❤🙌
Thank you for joining these conversations! We are so honored to have you with us sitting in your truth, and the nuggets of inspiration from Liz.
I relate a lot to Liz, I loved this episode. I feel like I finally found someone who has been through similar things and I feel comforted by that. I hope she continues to heal through her childhood trauma 💕 was a great episode!
This was such a good episode! I got emotional multiple times and learned/clarified things I hadn't known before.
Two big insights:
1. I haven't been letting myself feel safe in situations where I am, and I can give myself permission to change that
2. The part about other people needing you to feel broken to make them feel like they're not was something that I sort of knew but hadn't heard articulated like that. It made me see some people in my life a little differently than I had before.
Thanks for this!
Watched a clip from her Tik tok and knew I had to watch the whole thing. Thank you to all three of you, your voices demand to be heard.
Thanks for joining us! Your voice as well, we can't wait to hear your thoughts on some of the other episodes.
Awww, Ive been waiting for this podcast ever since you said Liz would have a show about her. I was very teary eyed seeing the appreciation, respect and love Justin and Jamey have for Liz, the love is palpable.
I certainly know the effects of childhood neglect, it can be so deceiving if your need for food and shelter were met, emotional neglect has a HUGE impact, and as Liz said, you end up with a personality that is only coping mechanisms. And it's so easy to be attracted to love bombing narcissists.
So glad we could share it with you Kate, and that you were able to find some personal insights that might be helpful on your journey. You are enough!
I feel so connected to you, Liz, right now. Thank you for sharing your truth. It made me realize that we’ve been through very similar things. I’m learning through you guys that my experience matters and that I should trust myself more when something feels wrong… Love you guys so much! ❤️ A fellow french canadian
I’m always trying to throw this podcast on or watch these videos when my boyfriend is around-dropping subtle hints because I think he’d benefit a lot from “doing the work” (lol). And he got defensive when the conversation about broken men finding broken women and keeping them broken for their own power and benefit. And he said it before Jamie, “well not all men!!” Then Jamie added that disclaimer that we don’t generalize here and I saw a few walls come down. So thank you for keeping it real, is all.
Thank you for sharing and trying to get your boyfriend to open up to this. It's a process and we'll keep trying to make it accessible. We will always keep it real, for sure.
Wow wow wow, Liz we love you. The three of you doing this was so profound for all of us! Thank you all !!
I found this podcast/channel recently through my girlfriend and have been BINGING episodes. Liz is such a superstar and I appreciate so much that most episodes she will sit quietly and just listen, then jump in with a really challenging question or two that give us a new perspective as men. What an amazing person and such a powerful asset to have on this show along with the 2 other brilliant co-hosts.
Oh my goodness you guys did it again ❤❤❤❤. The freedom I feel from listening to guys is priceless.
Thank you! So kind of you to say.
Liz giving me anxiety right at the top as I absolutely say "I'm doing the work." 🤣
Love hearing Jamie and Justin support, encourage and love Liz. It’s so beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
We agree! It's so important to have people like that in our lives, and love how they model it. Thanks for listening in and joining the conversation!
OMG what a peaceful and comfortable environment, where I see, they feel safe to say whatever comes to mind, amazing!
I don't know how to express the feelings I have listening to this podcast but I want just to say THANK YOU 😢😢❤❤
Thank YOU! So happy to hear that.
Through my journey into becoming a feminist, it made me care about and see men more than I did. Liz is a great reminder of "for the love of men", because it's not just focusing on the harms of men and trying to get them to stop, but also loving men so they can heal, too. The mindset of "I love you, too" in regards to men is important to keep in mind.
Yes, ultimately the goal is for us all to be able to love each other. The division, us vs them mentality, and oppression through structures of power and control only hurt us all.
As much as I respect anyone's capacity for Brilliance in the realm of Intellect..... It's only in witnessing authentic vulnerability, that I actually listen to what is being said. All due Love and Respect for the moments Liz showed and ever shows up in her Vulnerability. Power without Vulnerability is asymmetrical and disingenuous. I'm ever Grateful for the Compliment, Balance, and Vigilance Liz brings to the work of Healing and Liberating Men 💪🏼
First time watching man enough. Struggling the last 5 years with infertility issues, a thyroid cancer and the death of my dad, I can feel what Liz says about God. Spending hours wondering where is God now. Why He doesn't help me. But Justin said it all. I cried so much with the parable and now I can understand. And I feel relieved. Thank you. Keep up the good work. (sorry for my English)
Welcome! Thank you for your support and sharing your touching story with us. Our thoughts are with you, and grateful to have been able to give you some relief.
A student asked me, "How do you think the patriarchy affects arts education?" That question has led me on a fantastic journey of looking at gender roles and why subjects are chosen, to lead to making money, rather than nurturing their soul. This Podcast is really enlightening in that journey. Thank you.
Wonderful, so glad this is helping you on that journey.
"That's when I was carrying you" , I felt that. HE is always here. So happy I found this podcast ❤️
So happy you found us too!
Liz, I really appreciate the “present,” honest, vulnerable, answers that you gave. And I love your expressed humor. I learned so much & through what & how you shared, I found questions to ask myself & ways I can be more responsible for my own emotions & relationships. Really helpful. And fascinating! You shared a spectrum of emotions. And I love how the exuberance of your young self comes out so much! We need that! Definitely one of my fav episodes. Liz, I also appreciate you bringing up non-binary & I think suggesting that gender doesn’t have to be an either/or…it’s all connected. “Bi-nary” can become another way to make us believe we’re separate when we are all connected & a part of each other. Liz, Jamie & Justin…incredible collaboration. I love the love! Thank you ☀️♥️
We appreciate your support Kathleen! Thanks for joining in on the conversation and sharing your valuable insights.
This is for sure one of the best episodes you guys put out. So refreshing, some episodes I learn one or two things but this is one that was just lesson after lesson so many gems and so helpful
Liz brings so much food for thought. Thanks for your support!
I never experienced the feeling of seeing myself reflected so closely like I did in this episode with Liz; you have a new follower. I feel like so many women have the same experience, and we are so conditioned to think that's how life is supposed to be, that we don't question it anymore. Being a single Mexican woman in my 30s, I understand and feel this podcast is very enlightening; you are doing an amazing job 👏 congratulations.
Thanks for being here with us!
@ENDA_21 I see that you created this youtube account 14 days ago and you have been commenting on this episode, 9 times to be exact, I don't know what is your problem, but there are other ways to express your feelings if you are frustrated and have difficulties and/or don't agree with this podcast you don't need to waste your time we don't do negative in this community. Find your peace little human 💛
Hi, I am just a passerby went through your videos a couple of times. I did enjoy the talk and the rationale comes up with you guys talk every time. Fortunately, the man I love empowers me not taking my power, but boosting me up with positive stimulation all the time. I grew up a lot watching him grow. And I'm still growing . It's nice to see people are solving their internal issues more openly than before without any shame. Shame kills us , our personality and thought processes. Being shameless is good for health. People should accept themselves for who they are and with dignity. What you need is a good RO,and UV filtration process for the senses.
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Thank you, Liz for inspiring so many people but also thank you for inspiring me. This was a beautiful conversation and I am so grateful that I found this podcast. Sending love
Before the first Rapid Fire question was asked, I asked myself that very question. What do I need? I suddenly started crying and wrote, to feel wanted and needed. Your answer also made me cry as well. It meant the same thing to me as well. No one ever asked me that question. Thank you for that. I needed to ask and answer that question. I feel better seeing in writing ✍️🏾✍️🏾✍️🏾✍️🏾💜
Wow, thank you for sharing your powerful revelations and for sticking with us in these conversations. You are enough!
Thank you all for your great content. I am enough most times, amen 🙏🏾 💜
Wow..... Liz is 100 percent how she talks to herself , myself also...... I hit all the boxes . My parents were present, married, happy but absent. Dad worked 24/7 , Mom was depressed deeply and there but miserable therefore making us miserable. I got critiqued if my bangs were out of place or eyeliner too thick, etc...... and now I'm as an adult undoing those voices . Also see the broken men as my type. I have to save them... I have to help them. Seeing now that I do not want someone broken. I'm whole. I want someone else who is whole too. THANK-YOU FOR THIS. You should have Shawn Mendes on again now after his breakup and healing. He was an amazing guest.
Amazing onee! Unfiltered and raw!So happy for you Liz..Wonderful work from all you guys Jamey, Justin, Liz and the whole crew.
So glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for being here with us.
30:32 for me, the problem isn't men feeling small in my presence, because there's moments where I am the bigger person, the one more knowledgeable or the one making better decisions. the problem starts when they feel small not because of my presence or skillset as a person, but based on the sole fact that I am a woman with that presence or skillset.
Love this episode btw. Thank you all always for the amazing experience.
I saw a few tik toks and FB reels about this podcast. I thought it was just for men. I feel like im learning so much. Yall keep this up.
Thank you. Glad you came to check it out. It's certainly not just for men. We want to call men in to help them to grow and feel safe being more vulnerable. This is for all humans to move towards a better future together. Welcome to our community.
Liz, thank you for being so vulnerable. I learned a lot from this discussion.
We're so happy to hear that.
"99% of my personality is coping mechanisms.."
"and you are really funny now.."
yes...
I relate to that so hard...
Thank you for sharing. Glad it resonated.
Thank you so much Liz. We are all connected. By genuinely sharing your journey, what you've been missing in your childhood, how this has impacted you and your relationships, how you have been accompanying your inner child and yourself, basically how you have taken responsibility for yourself, you are helping us so much in our own healing path. It all makes sense. Am in awe as always about the quality of the content and of the interactions between the three of you. So uplifting!
wow! That touched me so much, I cried a couple times while watching because I was also neglected growing up. Thank you for sharing
Thank you for joining the conversation and being vulnerable with us. We're so glad we could share this with you and hope it helps on your journey towards healing.
This is my first time watching this podcast and I've got to say I'm very impressed, I tend to be hesitant with podcasts and especially ones that approach deep topics because they can feel super aggressive and it scares me off.
Listening to you guys talk calmly about these things made it so much easier to take in and apply to myself. I'm putting in a lot of work to deal with some pretty severe childhood trauma right now and Liz's words really resonated with me.
I also tend to fear men on podcasts a bit especially because of the other men I've seen do podcasts, you guys on the other hand really blew me away a bit. I'm not used to seeing such calm and respectful conversation and I'm grateful I got to see it. Definitely gained a new subscriber ☺️
We are so happy you found us! Thanks for your support, and grateful that we have been able to help on your journey in healing. We look forward to your insights on our other episodes. You are enough!
I love so much about this episode! The kindness and respect and love that you three clearly have for each other and the atmosphere of real intimacy that are hallmarks of this whole endeavor really shine through. By following this conversation I feel that I have come to know and love you all, too, and having this opportunity for Liz to share so much of herself was such a privilege. The part about how hard meditation is, and the wanting to punch people for whom it seems to come easily, really resonated with me, too. What a struggle! Yet the insight from the spirit guide, "I have always been here, you just have to slow down and listen," surely gets at one of the most profound truths that cuts across all forms of religious belief and spiritual striving. Thank you, thank you, for what you're doing to help raise the level of discourse in our society!
It's so important to have a space on safety and honesty, and glad that you responded to it! Thank you for joining us in these conversations and can't wait to share more with you.
I am in tears! So beautiful ❤🥹
So glad this touched you.
Beautiful, inspiring conversation❤. It was lovely to learn of Liz's journey into her true self and her service for Humanity. What a Bounty to be on that straight and far reaching path. Thank you for sharing💗
Thanks for always being with us, and sharing your insights! We appreciate you.
Resonating so hard with neglect being as damaging if not more than abuse. My parents had a messy divorce and used my older brother and I as ammo in the courts. We dealt with it differently, he became naughty and I became withdrawn. He got a lot of attention but me and my terrible coping mechanisms slipped under the radar and I eventually "learned" I deserved abandonment. It's taken me years to undo this.
Thank you for sharing. We're so happy to hear you're undoing it. It's a process. Sending love.
No better way to start the morning ❤️ I love Liz's strength and confidence, she's so inspiring. I was jotting down a few things in my journal when Jamey asked her the question about what she would say to her 9 year old self and she said "I would ask her what she needs" - I've literally drawn a sketch of my "inner child" and her emotions two days ago and one of the questions I "asked" her in my journal was "what does she need". I had chills all over my body when I went back a few seconds to hear Liz saying it again while simultaneously reading it in my notes 🥰 Thanks for this episode, it was so powerful (as always)!
Thank you very much to everyone, what an interesting episode.
I feel like Liz voiced all my pain that many women carry. Kind of weird Jamie wants her to end up with a man when she clearly said she’s open to both (what’s wrong with us women, Jamie! 😂) but I do hope Liz is with someone who acts as a prism as well. I loved this talk. 🌈
Two song quotes came to mind: "I came in as bright as a neon light and I left burned out right there before him" (Lesson In Survival, Joni Mitchell) and, "I'm looking for a hard-headed woman" (Thank you Yusuf/Cat Stevens) Liz... how to simplify all the thoughts.. Thank you. I hope you can feel that happy joy I feel, we feel when you walk in the room. It is moving to hear your tender heart, and, see those beautiful eyes soften. Justin, Jamey and Liz, what a trio that is helping me so deeply moving through the winter of my life.
Great songs for the Man Enough album! Thank you for reflecting this joy, and it is received. We appreciate all your support.
Been waiting for this episode. What you guys wish for Liz in a relationship was just amazing. I hope she finds all that and so much more.
35.29 Liz is so smart and quick with her answer. It´s all over the rest of this video and others that she does, but I am particularly impressed at 35.29.
I can relate to this beautiful story of healing and moving forward. This podcast nourish my soul in the deepest regions. Thanks!
I found this podcast because of Liz
Thanks for being here! We hope this conversation resonated with you.
I relate to Liz so much! I love this episode with all my heart!!! ❤️✨
My favorite thing about this podcast is that no one is yelling and arguing, it’s a legit conversation coming from a place of “I want to UNDERSTAND!” Not I want to respond.
Exactly. We don't need to agree. We just want to understand each other a little better.
Amen ! God is with us always , has always been and will always been . He just waits for us to call Him . His Divine Mercy has no limits .🙏 Beautiful podcast filled with love , truth and respect . 💙
Oh my Goodness what a conversation.Liz you are An Amazing Human.I wish I had the tools 40 years ago to Bend the Rules of the PATRIARCHY that the man should be the Provider and Stronger Person in a relationship or marriage. I basically declined career process because I was afraid to outshine my husband because he was not career focused.But then with my personality I also think I might have been responsible for neglecting my family because of the commitment I made toy family.Liz I am certain there are many women who watched this podcast who will feel the same as me But Im also sure your story and journey will be helping other women to Be Brave Enough to not settle for what the so called rule of the PATRIARCHY...Justin my favorite parables is the Footprint because at times when I feel God has abandoned me I try to remember that he is not walking beside me but carrying me.Jamey snd Liz always challenge eachbothet in such a positive way I Love that about you.....Liz may you find your person to complete you. MUCH LOVE Gwen
Patriarchy started dying after the tender years doctrine. The nail in the coffin was when education shifted to prioritizing girls.
I feel so seen 💛 I really relate to what you had to say, Liz, especially around being a strong woman, feeling like you need to do and fix it all on your own. That's been me! And it's a journey to unravel it.
What an episode!
I related to so many things Liz said, what a woman!
I teared up when Justin and Jamey shared their hopes for her, it was just so damn beautiful.
And i'm just so glad to see more men in the comment section with every new episode, that means the podcast is reaching more men yaay!
So glad you enjoyed it Cindy, thanks for being here with us!
What a episode guys!! First, thank you Liz for sharing a bit part of your life. Seeing you answering some of the questions, i think it was a little painful for you and i really appreciate your honesty and courage. Thank you.
I feel connected with some of the things Liz said. For some reason, i also feel that some of the charasteristica that we link to masculinity (like hiding the emotions, one of my particular problems), i learnt to copy them when i was a child, i hated feeling treat like "a girl" or people saying to me that "this is what girls do", i hated princess and all this stuff. I dont have logical reasons to why i emulated mens, but it feels that part of my childhood consisted of trying to build my particular armor with some of the things that mens usually, in this weird culture, represents (stronger, secure...) to feel more secure or strong, i dont know.
The part when Liz talks about god also was sooo touching. I started to understand my relationship with god so late, maybe one or two years ago. Also when i was a child i felt that maybe god didnt want to talk with me, or i didnt understand how to talk with this divine power.
Finally, i want to that i love jamey (i always love him) but in this podcast, i loved the question about why Liz was qualified to talk about masculinity. What a brilliant question! i was like: jamey, i love you for asking this. The liz's answer was also a mic drop. What a strong badass incredible beautiful answer.
Thank you man enough team for sharing and creating this. Thank you for all of your work. You are beautiful people! Lots love!
Thanks for you always being with us and sharing your personal insights! There is so much to learn from each other and glad you felt a connection in this conversation.
Thank you so much for this Episode!
So relatable Liz ❣️
Thank you! She is such an important voice in this space.
I am curious what meditations Liz listens too. Especially the ones that help connect you to your spirit guides. Just discovered this podcast and Loving it so much! Thank you ❤️
Thank you! Glad you found us. Liz uses Headspace a lot, so consider trying that out.
One of y’all’s best!
Thank you for listening
Liz, I don't know if we come from the same "over-soul", but I can relate to your experience tenfold. And it's very rare for me to hear a woman's voice and be able to connect like this. The frequency that you beam is very authentic. Authenticity requires lots of work. Your guides protect you dearly.
I would love to know how you experience your intuition? For instance, when you meet someone and it turns out that their just "the pattern", does you intuition light up, and if it does where and how?
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Thank you all, beautiful conversation!
Thank you, Liz.
This podcast always gives positive vibes and very informative ❤️❤️, I also read Justin's book and it was more than amazing, currently reading Liz's book
Thank you!
All i can say is my expectations were met. Thank you guys 🙏🏾
What a great podcast 🔥🔥👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I like Liz’s answer that to be man enough is to have emotional responsibility. However, I think some men have trouble with emotions not only because they are not taking responsibility for their emotions but because they have learned that their emotions don’t matter. My boyfriend has expressed to me that he believes no one cares about how men feel. This makes me very sad and I hope we can create a safe space for everyone to express themselves fully/freely
Completely agree!
16:45 loved this short story and looked it up: "Footprints in the Sand"
32:15 such a genius
We agree!
I love this people
Just finished listening again and it's such a great episode. While I'm not a spiritual person at all, it was nice to see the three of them connecting on that, as I don't think Liz has mentioned her spiritual journey at all up until this point. It seems to have brought her levels of peace she was looking for.
It's also nice to see Liz with her guard down, since she's so often the one with the data or keeping the men honest. Just really great stuff.
On a separate note, I took the plunge on Factor with the ME promo code. I've struggled with binge eating disorder all my life and it's been the worst its ever been with getting sober and finally dealing with my mental health issues this last hear. I'm unclear on what it is about the Factor meals that are working so well, but I'm in week 2 and haven't binged once. I've tried other meal services and, while they were good, they were nowhere near as good & consistent as Factor. I've liked every single meal so far. Just thought I'd share for those that might be on the fence. (And it's a seriously big discount, too.)
We appreciate all your support Ron and for bringing such great perspective to all of these conversations! Thank you for sharing with us, and we are so glad to hear that Factor has helped support you in your journey, it's such a balancing act in these times. You are enough!
Liz is so inspiring and super cool ahhh!! what a special episode
Thanks for being here with us!
such a sweet and tender hearted episode
35:17 this clip from TikTok brought me here
Thanks for joining us! Feel free to check out our other episodes and tell us your thoughts.
8.5 minutes in and I’m crying 😅
Meditation is hard for me as well, at least the textbook standard is. Meditation is a state of consciousness rather than just something you do. I call it "Thinktation" Where I think and dive into a topic in silence in my head. And usually laying down in shavansana. It looks different for everyone, Liz! You are not alone here lol meditation can be hard!
💗LOVE
I have a question for all three of you. That is because I was a latch key kid through my junior youth and youth. Can there be a blured line between the parents perception of sacrifice and the child's perception of neglect?
What a great question! We will take this thought into consideration with some of our experts. Thanks for joining us.
So good!! 🙌🏼 I need to know the meditation she referenced
Love this content
Appreciate you being here with us!
What an episode wooosh 😮💨
I rewatched and damn. If Liz and I aren't the same person lol ... so I wonder how much of this is true for others!?? How many other women try and fix the broken men or the unavailability status makes us think its8 temporary and we an change that. It's like that saying , when someone shows you them true colours, believe it . If someone says they're not ready to date or don't want anything serious, believe them. Don't try to change them. Go do you, love you first...which is hard.. "doing the work " f*cking sucks.. and it hurts.... but then you can heal.... after hurt, there's HEALING... and then , the right person I believe will happen, and be integrated with your life when meant to be. Love you all💜❤
Thank you so much for sharing. We're grateful that you're here with us. So much work to be done.
@@WeAreManEnough I'm grateful to be blessed enough to be able to hopefully, listen, learn , and practice the knowledge.
As a man, I haven't heard anything here to help me. Where's the push to be strong with mental discipline and pursuit of truth and the bravery to fight for it?
This entire episode just makes my mind repeat "men written by women." And it made me realize that we find them attractive because the lead female role is always written equal to the male role. Because it's Men written by women for women, and from the women's perspective.
Lol I relate with liz soooo much!
Love Liiiiiz 💜🌌🙏🎈❤
Can you please have Andrew Yang on the show? He talks about the importance of addressing men's issues in order to fix the world's problems, because when men struggle they take everyone down with them. For example, the latest episode of his podcast is called "The Boy Crisis".
Thanks for the recommendation and for being here with us. Sounds like a great opportunity! We will definitely take him into consideration.
I love spaces like this one where we can facilitate these conversations. That being said I had some reactions here. I thought there was a missed opportunity to acknowledge that neglect is on the spectrum of abuse. And even when making the distinction I felt it was unnecessary to validate the experience of neglect by saying it was "possibly even worse than abuse" which is not even true because a lot of times people are so habituated to the abuse they don't understand they're being abused. And yeah I would definitely say that neglect is a tool that abuse makes use of; it even feels to me like it constitutes a main aspect of it because even in actively abusing someone and giving them "attention" (another statement I had issues with- the idea that "at least being abused means you're getting attention" is something that is used against women of color and/or fat women to gaslight them about being raped for example. saying we should be happy we got any attention at all) that can make it even harder for the victim to identify it because the abuser will precisely use paying attention to them as a gaslighting opportunity. "what more do you want, I'm here aren't I?". But the point remains for me that I feel abuse and neglect aren't necessarily two distinct categories. Because you may be present, but by being "present" and being abusive, you're actually neglecting the person's wellbeing WHILE being present. If that makes sense.
Also I would say for Liz that even had her parents been perfect, society surely isn't and I think no parenting unit can make up for the abuse systems of oppression inundate all of us with. So there doesn't have to be "outright abuse" for especially a woman in a childhood. Because society will take care of it for sure. I'm someone who has been r*ped as a child and had cancer by the time I was 22. But even without that I see that living in this society is stressful as hell for anyone even without obviously traumatizing "events" like mine.
(Plus, neurotypes play into this too...as an autistic person for example for me all stimuli are multiplied).
I’d also definitely like to see more multiply marginalized people here, especially in a consistent position. If we’re addressing systems of oppression it only makes sense to give us a voice when we’re most affected by it (which is like Liz says the reason why we’re so intimately familiar with those systems.), especially since we and by extension our knowledge are already being erased from those discussions a lot. I’d love to see more fat, Black&disabled women for example. I see there have been some guests but again considering the topic it makes sense (it could be especially enlightening to discuss some Black feminist texts. The Black feminist tradition has taught me a lot. I’d be happy to recommend books/authors etc if that’s useful to you at all at this stage)
That being said again I appreciate these spaces more than anything else. And I see it’s a work of progress and I’m pleased to see there seems to be an awareness and grace about that here.
Thank you for sharing such important perspective, we really appreciate it! As you acknowledged, we are all learning in real time and are committed to doing better and will absolutely take this all into consideration. We think it's important to include a wide range of voices, and we will continue to do so as we look at our opportunities for these conversations. Thanks for joining the discussion and we look forward to sharing more with you.
@@WeAreManEnough Thank you, I love that you make it a point to hire someone to engage with so many comments here! Definitely speaks to your principles regarding whom you're doing this for (all of us). Thank you for hearing me
@@niamhheron5587 It's all about the community! Doing this in a void certainly won't accomplish the mission here. You are heard and you are enough!
Amazing ❤️
Todah rabah! So glad you're here.
35:12 Is the TikTok moment you are looking for.
All my girl friends dont mind if we dont talk, write or see each other for a while... i couldnt handle someone who needs my attention all the time.. we all have a lifes. But that doesnt change the way we feel about each other.
Thank you for your perspective. We appreciate it.
"From coast, to coast, to coast -- we don't coast. We skate, as if there's no horizon." ~ Canada
"An opus on life. Dance it out, to the full." ~ Paul Jung
So you don’t care if Amber heard is a liar . You don’t care if an innocent man loses his career and you don’t care if his children think that their dad has done this ? Or get bullied at school about what Amber heard put out there about their dad .?? You need a reality check
Yall should look into the author anne wilson shaef she wrote books on womens reality and the addictive system thought out the 1990-2018 so many years of insight into what your discussions are about
Thank you for the suggestion.
I just fucking loved it❤️
Thank you!
I think you should strongly think about your cohosts. As a woman of color sometimes it is very hard to listen to this podcast because I still feel left out of this conversation when the best people you can learn about the system from are the people at the bottom. I think Liz tries very hard to understand but always falls short and Jamie is very defensive and often feels like he hinders the conversation or Silences Liz.
The idea is there but the result is a very two dimensional conversation. It’s just not quite reaching where it needs to
Thank you for the feedback. The inclusion of necessary voices, especially those from women of color, is something we are absolutely dedicated to and acutely aware of the lack of in most media platforms, including ours. We have had many Black male voices on to date and have some incredible episodes with Black women and other women of color already recorded to release soon, yet there's still so much work to do. We will continue to have a majority of male-identifying voices, while also consistently inviting in female, non-binary, trans and other voices. We really appreciate you being here and challenging us in this way, as your perspective is valuable and necessary.
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