I love the irony of Christians complaining about "atheists ganging up on them" when the entire show is hundreds of theists calling in week after week to attack the same 5 hosts.
If you think about it logically, the hosts have no idea what each caller is going to call in with. They are pretty much blind. If anyone has an unfair advantage, it's the caller. They get to spend as much time as they want researching their specific topic, while the hosts have to respond on the fly with whatever they can remember at the time.
Spaz Modicus Yup, this show included. If anyone's seen more than 1-2 episodes they should have noticed a reference to the call screener when referring to the topic of choice for the caller.
Spaz Modicus wrt IQ, atheists are more intelligent. Ofc, that's just one metric and it's completely understandable given atheists are more scientific on average and agnostic atheism is the default position. I can understand the struggle with basic logic. It's interesting to listen to, ofc, because we're all very illogical in general. Indoctrination and confirmation bias and followed by cognitive dissonance during the show is what makes them look like they struggle with logic.
ahahah i eat atheists for lunch.. yet even better.. for the novice...2 words wins every battle... CHRIST LIVES..you will surely die... case closed.. do not engage these liars and monsters in debate... they are trained judo ninjas of twisting words and statements..... you can not beat a cheater.. but GOD always wins thru you
+Moe Munny God in on their side? Well if there is one thing that rarely shows in any of the calls it is THAT one... Except if you assume that the oft repeated stuttering rebooting of the brain after their point was taken apart in midflight is a longterm version of the Tower of Babel speaking in tongues Stuff... THEN they definitely walk and talk with god on their side. Just why would you WANT that?
If a caller has a valid argument, the number of hosts isn't going to change that. This guy's criticism is essentially that callers have a lower chance of slipping flawed arguments past multiple hosts.
I disagree with this. Obviously it is harder to make your point when two highly experienced debaters are against you. The cards are stacked against the theists but that is also because they are simply deluded as well.
"Religious apologists complain bitterly that atheists and secularists are aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them. I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn't argue with us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we're doing is, we're presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions, and you complain." -- A.C. Grayling That is so True. Religious people are just Spoiled.
Spoiled? Not really, they are simply concerned that if you get an inch you will destroy society and turn it into a bloodbath and/or cesspool of debauchery. If atheism was the way to go it would have happened and stayed happened. So far it has only lead to collapse of societies and wars. Some claim atheism just means no belief in God but suddenly all the non-believers are joining forces against religions? Would that be because they are trying to allow even more sexual misconduct and improper relations to be recognized? How long will society go on in that direction before it implodes or collapses under the weight of all that sex?
@MusicMadMaurice What you do in your bedroom isn't important at all. What you teach your children to do in the bedroom either by example or by having it taught in schools as an "acceptable lifestyle alternative" is another story. Now that sexuality is exposed as the necessary function that humans have to reproduce other humans it should be plain that doing anything else with their various body parts is little more than nonsense. You'd think that people who claim to be rational and reasonable would at least recognize their acts as something that should be kept to themselves and not broadcast so that children might think it's worthy of their attention. it's not. _I'd like to see your evidence that any society has collapsed due to people having fun in the dark._ I'd like to see your evidence that a little fun in the dark is anything more than uncontrolled lust and not an indication that those out of control are able to actually lead a country anywhere but to the nearest bedroom. Rome fell for a few reasons, one of which was their value system was disrupted by Christianity. Christianity questioned their sexual perversions and other things they were doing and the Christians suffered for their pointing this out. They were relentlessly persecuted for several hundred years until Constantine converted and eventually made Christianity legal. Other things included not paying attention to what was going on around them because they were too busy in those dark bedrooms getting their jollies. Once Christianity started wagging fingers at them for being naughty things began to move forward. I'm surprised anyone would want to go back to the "dark bedroom ages". You can thank Christians any time you realize how important they were to creating things like education and the fields of study that lead to science being widely taught. Did you think maybe this came about by people in the dark having a bit of fun?
@MusicMadMaurice I can appreciate wanting to reduce the influence of religion like removing prayer in schools (done) adding non-religious holidays to the calendar (done or in progress) and reducing the fear of homosexuality so that there is less violence against them (done). I agree with civil unions for those who wish to marry someone of the same sex (done) but do not agree that it is anything to do with the church or God. The origin of Mosaic law was about purification to focus on the task at hand and not running off to some dark bedroom to find sexual relief. There was hostility all around them and in order to survive they simply had to be very disciplined and practice the utmost self control. There is nothing wrong with that in my mind. In fact, we could get rid of quite a few social programs with a bit of encouragement to stand up and be responsible for themselves. Think about the impact that would have on things like abortion. We could reduce the 50 million a year dead baby count by a few million every year in North America alone with a bit of old fashioned prudence and taking responsibility. If there is a God that would make him very happy. Nothing wrong with keeping the spirit of love and life happy. If it means we stop telling kids that having sex is OK in any format then it shouldn't be any question at all what we should be doing. Short of giving them information on who they are and why they have the body parts they have it should not be something we entertain them with various possible lifestyles that might interest them like some kiddie menu at a fast food joint. Like Mom and Dad serving you what they have in the fridge and if they don't like it...starve in your dark room. But today that is considered child abuse. Coddling them too much is a much worse form of child abuse because we are raising a bunch of tyrant wannabees who will destroy society if they don't get their own way. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Bwahahahaha!
@MusicMadMaurice Thank you also for the replies and civility. I agree that population growth and keeping the state (and church) in their proper place are critical to maintaining dominance or, at least, being able to resist the urge to open the doors to any and all who wish to come to this part of the world. We want to be able to pick and choose when possible as well as have room for any misplaced or displaced people should the need arise. Abstinence from sex to control births doesn't need to mean no sex, just limited access depending on the method used. The RCC doesn't like any form of BC but that doesn't mean that those who are trying to micromanage their overhead have to give in to the urges out of sync with their natural timing. Anyone who waited before getting married has adequate self control to roll over their desires to a more appropriate time. There are also many ways around that as anyone who breathes can attest. And that's without getting into the sticky details of the act. We do have a knack for finding pleasure when it is most needed to keep everyone happy. If nothing else. Sexual sins are expressed in terms of outside of marriage or those which do not have the potential for reproduction. More importantly this leads to the family that God considers a fruitful endeavor. Within those constraints it is quite possible to enjoy a very healthy sex life without expanding the family beyond the means of any couple. It all boils down to self control and focusing on the big picture. (says the guy who has never married and spent most of his life pursuing physical pressures and resisting the pleasures). I'm no saint, but I do have a reputation for at least trying to control myself...:) The urges are powerful and should not be left up to the weak minded to dabble with unattended. That wisdom, unfortunately, often comes too late for many and that is something we really need to try to improve so we don't have a weak society or weak nation. It has worked over the history of human society and I believe it was Johnathan Haidt that said religious influence is critical to successful societies. Finding the happy medium between atheists and theists can be a tricky navigation though. So persist we all must to keep everyone moving forward in harmony.
@MusicMadMaurice I've always been open minded about lifestyles as long as nobody is pushing their views on others. That's where I became involved in social issues decades ago but it wasn't about defending religion or condemning homosexuals. If a book is on a bookshelf for purchase by adults for their kids I don't mind at all because the market demand will determine the shelf life. If it is being used as part of a school curriculum that forces all children to accept it as part of a healthy approach to sexuality then it is not appropriate and I don't mind sounding like a hypocrite. I often think about what was available in my day growing up in that sexual revolution era and how mysterious and scary it all seemed. For me it was difficult to find information on anything of that nature so I feel the opening up of the information pipeline is an important step. It becomes a matter of reducing confusion and protecting children from becoming sex toys. Information at the right time when they start asking questions is not harmful as long as it is presented in a spirit of learning and appreciating what they may be feeling. Keeping them open and unafraid to ask questions is critical. The old "stone the homosexuals" may have been the only means available to demonstrate their proper sexual appreciation but today we have the internet where anyone can learn anything about sex they need to know and sometimes more than they really should be knowing. I really doubt that there was any need to actually stone anyone back in that time because their society was much more intensely monitored. Something we used to have in small towns and cities until the cities almost forced everyone to mind their own business because it wasn't such a tightly knit group.
I disagree with the caller for the following reasons 1) the Caller choses to call, The show does not call them 2) the Caller gets to pick what he/she wants to talk about and the hosts have to be prepared on whatever the caller wants to talk about 3) If the caller is not fully prepared to talk about what they call in then it is their fault not the show 4) This is the only Atheist show while there are dozens of christian shows that are 24/7. 5) This show accepts both Atheist & Theist callers while Christian shows don't accept Atheists or anyone that questions what they are saying.
You're first point is one I was pretty much yelling aty screen at almost everything the caller was saying. The caller knows, or at least should know, what they're calling into, and it's the caller who calls in expecting to be the first to have a gotcha. I'll just say that in addition to the caller knowinhg what they want to talk about, the caller also knows who they'll be talking to and how they typically handle calls while the hosts have no idea the kind of people who will call. For example the callers can know how each host handles bullshit but the hosts don't know what kind of bullshit they'll need to handle.
Poe or not, the caller has a point. 2 atheists vs. 1 theist isn't really fair, intellectually speaking. For a fair intellectual match-up, it should really be 2 atheists vs. 100 theists.
well, in most of the clips i've watched, it's mostly only one of the atheists doing most of the response anyway. Tracie Harris in particular always ends up dominating the convo while her cohost takes a backseat lol.
gspendlove if the idea was a good idea then it should stand against scrutiny, no matter how much is applied, understand however that in a scenario in which both ideas fail then , clear the idea it takes longer to break is the better idea
I'd think if god's got your back, there's no way anyone could argue against you. This god certainly doesn't seem very concerned at all that when arguing for it's existence, they end up looking like clowns, why would their god allow that?
Imploded/exploded... Doesn’t matter... Had he been a computer... Don’t even think taking him to the shop would’ve helped... Just discard... Get a brand new hard drive... Maybe monitor too...
The caller asserts that the hosts have an unfair advantage because there are two of them and they have the support of the staff. The caller also had an advantage in that the caller is the one with the question, so he knows in advance what the topic of discussion will be, and so can have done research, prepared notes and quotes ready on the subject. The hosts do not know what the caller will ask in advance.
Generally the callers are Christian by a majority. Many of these Christians believe that their god intervenes in this physical plane of existence. Ergo, the odds as far as numbers are concerned seem even: Two hosts VS a slavish thrall and a primitive blood-god.
Paul George they are not making excuses, they are asking for evidence to support the claims of a god before they believe. They openly welcome anyone to provide real proof, and no one has yet been able to provide any. Think of it like this, if I told you that there are purple skunks that spray out lilac oil as opposed to the regular foul stuff. Before you believe my claim, you are going to want some evidence to support it, correct? They are doing the exact same thing, just with god instead of lilac skunks.
Farrah Terrell The evidence is in the scriptures. When you read your history book in school did you trust it? Or assume as others that there were people who chronicled and wrote what they saw, and took it as truth. Bet you never questioned it at all! Yet when it comes to the Bible and it's history, prophecies, and wisdom we question it and God, vigorously. "Blessed are they that have not seen but do believe" was told to Thomas and the Apostles around him. Also; why do you think you need proof, when it's before your face daily and you deny it; and THEN you need proof from the writings? It'll never be enough for the atheist or agnostics that really don't want God in their lives. Be truthful for once! It's also funny how they want to judge God whom they don't believe in, to challenge them that do. Mostly to make themselves feel superior and as logic and reason minded. "A fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."
Paul George first, The reason I trust historical facts is because multiple sources corroborate the same thing, where as the Bible only has a single source for the vast majority. If only one history book said that George Washington hunted vampires I’m by no means going to believe that single source, but if it’s written about by multiple different people in multiple different areas then I’m more apt to believe it. My father has his masters in history and prided himself in teaching me how to find what is most likely true and most likely false. Second, I’m not agnostic or atheist, I absolutely believe in God. However I understand why they want proof and I do not fault them for it. My belief in God comes not from the scripture but from particular experiences in my life, including being medically dead for 10 minutes because of an anaphylactic reaction. My guess is that *you* didn’t even entertain that idea and just went strait to assuming I was some “godless heathen.”
William Allman - He has called back. Many times. He's a crank caller who has also called in as Pastor George. Every call he gets backed into a corner of stupid and it usually ends with a variation of what you just heard. Except for the one time he acted all cheerful and godly as he called the previous caller (who had a pronounced Indian/Pakistani accent) a "curry eater".
Ruprect44 Yeah, I've watched quite a few more atheist-experience videos since making that comment, and I've seen the two you reference. He, and people like him, always remind me of Einstein's remark about human stupidity, and in this case also reminds me of Einstein's definition of insanity.
Ruprect44 Good point, and one which I had not considered. Judging from the hosts' reactions I had assumed he was a racist Christian apologist, but the surety of your statement about Poe's Law leads me to think you may have information to which I am not privy. :-)
William Allman Not at all. It's precisely because I don't know whether he is a Christian bigot or an Atheist troll that I declare Poe's Law. (Of course, slightly modified to include kook Christians instead of just the traditional Creationists. You know, "spirit vs letter of the law" type thing) What I CAN say with absolute certainty is that the multiple names prove he is a liar and, therefore, not to be taken seriously either way.
BadgerUKvideo right. He sounded like an idiot and just because he stayed on the phone with him didn't mean he held his own because they were shooting down everything he was saying because he was completely ignorant and in his own box.
Most of the christians sound like this, "Well I....kind of...I just think....erm....I sort of....hmmm.....well....I guess I.....I believe in God" Very convincing.
@@T0mat0_S0up Not really. Christians say "I believe in God because the Bible says he's real / I just *feel* that he's real" and atheists are saying "I don't believe in God because he hasn't demonstrated that he exists and the Bible hasn't been demonstrated to be divinely inspired in any way." One of those positions is more rational than the other.
I still get theists telling me God is in me because I'm not a bad person .I have to keep reminding them that the only person within me is me.I dont need God's or religion to be a personable nice person. Being decent is not a christian value it's a human one.
Ethan, like so many theists try to demonize atheists. Rather than putting forth a coherent argument against atheism. It speaks volumes about their lack defense of theism.
Your that foolish, for real u dont know one thing about the Bible. It is obivious, what about The dozens of propheicies regarding the the first coming, of the Lord Jesus . Written Prophesied 100 s, of years before He came, if u dont even know one your crediability is shot. For your arrogant asertion that that the Bible is a myth. every nation ,country, can be verified, what about the prophieces regarding isreal being restablished in the last days. Titus roman general completly destroyed them in ad 70, leaving a sky high pile of carcases, but u knew this. The Bible predicted this last days satanic homo revelution, thousands of years ago. Mankind is a fallen creature, thats why were wicked and hate God.thats why theirs sickness ,disase, death, betrayal, injustice, Jesus Christ is the Saviour of The World. He came to redeem us of Sin, you dont want to face your wickedness. The Fear of The Lord is the begining of wisdom, but fools despise Knowledge and instruction. You need to get Humble before God. He is a consuming Fire. He will hold u acountible for your Sin. But will forgive if u repent change of mind change of Heart. And put your trust in The Lord Jesus.
+Paul Mayta hey bitch, so in other words you're telling me that we have to live in fear of our creator to be happy. Well how about FUCK YOU and your pitiful greedy god??? Yup. You're spreading dictatorship to us in such a manner that it makes me fuel with rage. I didn't ask to come here. I was born an that's that. What's all this bullshit about us being sinners at the time of birth??? Fuck you. All that crap sounds like a perfect setting for the next manga series. Haha. Pathetic bullshit fit for pathetic believers. How sad that the human race has allowed itself to devolve. Morons.
EXACTLY, THEY ALSO WORSHIP A MURDERER. In the bible he has killed around 5000 people throughout the story and Satan 7 which were actually done with god's permission. He was also okay with killing countless innocent kids in Egypt because they all believed in different gods in the story of Moses. To me god is a greedy serial killer that can't take criticism too well.
Why has God failed all the Christian callers? Why hasn't he given any of them a divinely inspired speech that instantly converts the whole Athiest Experience crew?
Especially funny when one consiters that their Huly Buk tells them to not worry about this kind of thing. It promised them that at the right time the Huly Spurit will give them the proper words for their argumentation. One also assumes this includes the eloquence to convince others. Yet another Gawd fail.
I can't really see the problem when there are two atheists and one theist, or it could be the other way around. It isn't like it's a wrestling tag-team match. These are discussions. They are presentations of ideas.
There's no problem. I think this guy was a poe, wasting time. I've rarely ever seen Russell hang up on anyone, but I was just waiting for it to happen this time.
DarkeTribute He's definitely the guys who made the "curry eater" slur at the end of his call back in episode 806. Check out the video "Theist Gets a Logic Enema - The Atheist Experience #806" if you haven't seen it.
***** They quite often become a contest :) But anyone who calls does so with the understanding that the hosts have resources to answer challenges, just as callers have resources with which to issue challenges. For this guy to insist that host gang up on callers is just a waste of time.
Nope. Not alone. Tracie is definitely hot. She's extremely smart and good looking. That being said, I'd rather spend an hour just having intellectual discussion with her rather than spending that hour in bed. Although, if I had two hours...
In case there's anyone out there like this caller who doubt the persecution some Atheists experience, I'd like to share a quick experience of my own. I almost got into a fist fight with my brother because of my Atheism. His daughter asked him if God really existed because my youngest brother told her he didn't, and he took that as an opportunity to attack the only Atheist he knew. Me. His younger brother. He called me a weirdo and a freak and told me to keep my mouth shut and keep my stupid beliefs to myself. The fear and anger brought about by the mere existence of Atheism brought him to a frothing rage and if it wasn't for our father stopping it, the assault would have turned physical. My father, by the way, agreed with my brother that I should keep my ideas to myself. Nobody is asking religious people to keep it to themselves. What we all want, every human, religious or not, is that the government does not enforce or endorse any stance on religion.
Of course the theist callers have the advantage of knowing what their argument is and having all the time they need to prepare before calling. Supposedly they also have an all-knowing deity on their side.
Your right but no matter how much the theist researches its all from a book they have faith in is a gods word. Human beings write books They may say the book or books are their gods work but in the end they always have to admit it is a matter of faith not evidence
@@paulconnor4185 If the theist has read the whole book before calling, they'd have an even bigger advantage. Their complaints that they're being picked on are baseless.
@@laydieelle7069 I agree with you totally. The bible is full of contradictions anyway. If a god or gods exist I want them to turn up, that would settle all debates.
@@paulconnor4185 Yes. If a god turned up and proved they were god, we'd all have to accept this. I would not worship the Abraham god though - maniacal sexist that he would be.
If you do not want to get ganged up on, don't call in with ignorant comments. Also, this is a freaking call-in show! Every call-in show has this format.
I thought that theists have god in their corner? God can't handle two atheist hosts, a physicist and a biologist? Edit: Oh, someone already made a comment like this..
Make the comment anyway, it's a fair point. They claim they're being ganged up on, persecuted even. But, in THEIR corner they're backed up by, allegedly, a universe-creating, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-singing, all-dancing god of everything, that can do anything or impart knowledge onto them with psychic powers (if they only clap their hands together and beg for it like good little serfs, without a hint of dignity). They ought to be able to FLATTEN the atheistic position with such a force, such a power on their side.... And yet, notice how few of them will actually pray for intervention? How few of them actually ask their god for help in that moment? Because even they're aware that their whiny little prayer wont be answered, even they know on some level that there's nobody up on high listening for their requests. The fact that they're not asking their primitive deity's favor is VERY telling of their own personal insecurities.
+Hooptie Hamburger Nah - he just doesn't think they should present their best arguments. If they don't the callers might not lose as often. That'd make the theists look better.
I would greatly appreciate it if she didn't talk so loudly at times, compared to the other speakers. I find it very distracting, even from what she herself is saying.
LOL! I am a 10th Dan Black Belt! in ninjutsu and 8 other arts a Black belt in Karate and a Russian martial art Systema instructor. I welcome all comers!
The funniest part of this call is that the Catholic caller calling his particular sect as the One True Church...just like each of the OTHER 1,000 sects thinks that THEY are the right one!
I lived in Nicaragua and Ecuador both times I had fights with American Missionaries. In Managua it was with Mormons trying to convert the locals. While I dislike religion I HATE!!!! the cultural-cide missionaries do. So I got on my laptop and pulled up all the stuff on Mormonism and gave to 2 local churches in the area that the Mormons where working on. I confronted them in and told them that back in the US talking about religion was considered rude, so why come here and act rudely?
Hellsong89 I gave the local churches information about the "holy underware" the Curse of Hamm, and some info on Joe Smith. What caused the "fight" was when I confronted them on the street. I look like Cholo so they were in shock when I spoke Nyer English and peppered it with salty language. One of the reason I was really pissed at them was because of their belief at one time that non whites could not go to Mormon heaven (curse of Hamm) yet they went to the 2nd poorest country in the Western Hemisphere to convert a bunch of mixed blood natives and take there money.
henry landivar Ou didnt get that far in my Mormon study! :D I had enough proof, when i read from Smiths past! :D Thing i dont get, why mormons would come scam money from (with all respect) some most poor back water countrys!? :D There is not much to scam from, i presume...
It's worth pointing out that this caller was doing the standard dance of ignoring every answer and moving quickly on. Matt is best at stopping this in it's tracks.
Why do christians have such a hard time understanding such simple things? How could you not believe in god? How could they not believe in Mohammad? What's the point of an atheist show? What's the point of a christian show? What if you're wrong? Well, what if they're wrong? Easy, simple, questions that seem so hard for a christian's mind to comprehend.
Educated BlackMan No? You do if another religion is right and you're wrong. You assume there are only two choices, your religion or atheism. Like I said, simple logic escapes you even though it was spelled out for you in part of the original post. You just proved my point. Thank you.
TruthHurts No I didn't, Christianity doesn't conflict with other religions *as far as them existing in the same world*. The bible acknowledges other Gods (false, idol, foreign, etc.). Nice try with that come back, but if I die rather there's a heaven or not, I will die with hope. I have nothing to lose.
Educated BlackMan If christianity turns out to be wrong then it makes the bible wrong by default. If the bible is wrong, who cares how many gods it says there are, it's wrong. Just because religions may "exist in the same world" does not make them all right or equal. If we're supposed to be sacrificing goats to god every other week you're just as fucked as any atheist. Also if you think "Christianity doesn't conflict with other religions as far as them existing in the same world" and you'll go to heaven even if the Muslims are correct then you must also believe Muslims will go to heaven if your god is the correct one and they were wrong. Once again you prove common sense is in short supply among christians.
TruthHurts First off do you know what common sense is? Common sense is the ability to perceive and judge thing common amongst all people. Its common sense not to jump off a cliff, its common sense not to hold your breathe under water too long. Common sense not to flirt with another man's wife. All of these are instinctive, its common sense. Common sense wouldn't be "common" if it was related or based off people religious belief, duh Religion is your belief or practice. This is where my issue come on...criticize Christianity for all its worth, but criticize Christians? Why can't you respect other people's belief? I haven't called you out or even try to "convert" you. I'm just stating I have nothing to lose which further proves that Christian aren't this picture you pain us as. And if you read your passage you said "If" six times total. So you're in the same boat as me, if Christianity is wrong you have nothing to lose, if its right or other religions well...that's your choice, I respect your beliefs.
I’m so glad I found this channel. I moved to the Bible Belt twenty years ago and for the first three years or so, all people who met me for the first time said was “so, which church do you attend?” They needed to pigeonhole me immediately. I lived in a neighborhood for seven years without incident until one day a neighbor said “I just heard you don’t go to church...how could we have even been friends?” I was so startled by that comment, I froze and had no retort...funny or otherwise.
beautiful in a most holistic sense.certainly looking gorgeous, but the icing of the cake is her brilliance, the same is true for jen (she would be the kind of "badass" friend i'd like to have to watch my back in a fight). check out their epidsode about "naturalistic fallacy". Brilliant and poetic. pulitzer suspicious.
Precisely. And, if as you suggest, that lone Christian were able to unequivocably prove the 'God claim', the ranks of the religious would instantly swell to virtually 100%. And, guess what? I'd be at the head of the queue to rejoin them.
The stutters, the long long pauses, the choking on their own idiocies as it begins to dawn, the blustering incredulity, and maybe, just maybe, the paradigm shift to come. At the end, there, the caller sounded like he was choking on something he didn't even realise he'd swallowed in the first place
Not really, it's individual callers. these callers arent all banning together to debate these guys. Not that them banning together would make their argument any better, it wouldn't
Ethan is against callers being used................... as he stays on the line as a caller himself.... Where is my thinking hat, I really need it right now.
I love how he can see the unfairness of this one hour show but can't acknowledge the unfairness of the rest of the world. Take the blinders off, buddie!
My fiance and I have had this same discussion often. She grew up non-religious in North Jersey (really a wealthy suburb of NYC), and never felt pressured by family or friends to be religious. I grew up atheist in the deep south and felt constant isolation and pressure from family, friends, and co-workers if I simply said, I'm not religious. There is a presumption by a large number of religious people in the south that if you don't go to church than you don't have a moral compass, you are evil, you have been lead astray by the actual devil incarnate, and it's their job to save you. She didn't really understand how pushy, and difficult religious people could be until she spent some time in the south.
I think he's called under the name Pastor George. There's one video of him complaining because his Sunday School class has found the AE show and all the little kiddies have started watching it.
Hal Wakka It is true that most atheists are not too good looking and many are also poorly educated as well. I do know some exceptions to the rule of course. Most people learn how to think and become Christians before they die.
Katherine Daniel There are many more Christians than "atheists," and yet you rarely hear of "threatening to axe their families." I believe "atheists" make up a lot of excuses so they do not have to attend church!
That caller is discovering the principle of a debate. The point is never to make the opponent debater change his/her mind, but to expose the audience to different points of view. A debate's target is the audience, not the opponent.
My dear Christian: If you had something intelligent to present, all would pay attention to you and if you could prove your God, there would no longer be a fuss. All intelligent people would just say.......gosh there is that God!! Yes I also use the mindset of belief in many public discussion forums, it is quite entertaining to watch the religious mind struggle and fail, time after time as they attempt to instill their proof of their God into others. So you get silly nonsense like this that yes is viewed by many in this world. And we do say.......gosh what a mess of ignorance. Cheers!
tman dunk Research on what? Is it not you who claims the great sky daddy? All we do is say we do not believe you and leave you struggling to prove what you say. Does not the reborn thing make you new and put the Holy Spirit into you, gives you great means and intelligence to explain all things. Gives you an entire book of magic to illustrate all that you say. So explain.
Yes we have but one life to live, we should laugh and enjoy all we can while we can. I do agree. Thank You, for the standard response that most Christians do have. It is for the most part quite entertaining. Cheers! Kit
The caller is acting as the spokesperson for a particular religion. The evidence refuting their claims comes from physics, cosmology, paleontology, archaeology, geology, history, linguistics, and a host of other disciplines. No it's not fair that they only have 2 people to speak against the theist... they should have at least 10 or 15.
I hate when people use the "ganging up" excuse. If you're in a room with 50 people who are all yelling about how the world is flat or how the sky is pink, it doesn't matter how many you're up against. If your argument had sound reasoning and is valid it will stand on it's own merit. If you can't stand multiple people questioning it it's probably a weak position.
I grew up in Utah as an atheist and I was the black sheep of the state, I had very few friends and I had lots of people in my school mock me or ridicule me because I was not a Mormon. What you guys do is amazing and I am proud to watch your show. It's not about religion so to speak it's about freedom to express yourself in a religious aspect. And it also ties into the First Amendment. Living in Utah with such a large majority of Mormons is difficult enough but on top of that I am a transgender transsexual widowed mother of a 7 year old so I'm frowned upon on many different levels however you guys keep my reality real and I applaud you for that and if I could I would hug you for that. Keep On Keepin On is all I can say.
As an atheist I have never ever knocked on someone's door trying to convert them. Never tried to convert somebody to atheism. I don't give a fuck if you are religeous. Go your own way. Just leave me alone.
I agree with the caller. Don't you think it's totally unfair that you atheists deal yourselves all the valid arguments and leave the idiotic ones for theists? Stop oppressing them.
No, absolutely not. First of all, Christianity is the ones consistently trying to push their belief system down everybody's throat, and also Islam too. The problem is theists come to the arena picking the fights. Then, theists get pissed off, when they start losing the battle, and they have to realize how delusional their imaginary friend and belief system sounds like. The point you don't get, is that Christianity and Islam is more than happy to preach to their own choir. But, are not open to other schools of thought. For me..I have had no problem having Christianity or Islam come around and impose their will around me. Because I have no problem about giving them the reality SmackDown when they keep invading people space. And that's what Christianity and Islam does not understand. For some reason, I don't think you understand..
+Boro Nut Peasant: "Help, help, I'm bein' repressed!" King Arthur: "Bloody peasant!" Peasant: "Oh, what a dead give away! Did you hear that? Did you hear that?" -Monty Python and the Holy Grail
I love the irony of Christians complaining about "atheists ganging up on them" when the entire show is hundreds of theists calling in week after week to attack the same 5 hosts.
With the 5 same arguments
If you think about it logically, the hosts have no idea what each caller is going to call in with. They are pretty much blind. If anyone has an unfair advantage, it's the caller. They get to spend as much time as they want researching their specific topic, while the hosts have to respond on the fly with whatever they can remember at the time.
Spaz Modicus Yup, this show included. If anyone's seen more than 1-2 episodes they should have noticed a reference to the call screener when referring to the topic of choice for the caller.
Spaz Modicus wrt IQ, atheists are more intelligent. Ofc, that's just one metric and it's completely understandable given atheists are more scientific on average and agnostic atheism is the default position.
I can understand the struggle with basic logic. It's interesting to listen to, ofc, because we're all very illogical in general. Indoctrination and confirmation bias and followed by cognitive dissonance during the show is what makes them look like they struggle with logic.
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You shouldn't write when your that high, man. lol
I agree he should have waited an hour or so to come down first lol
officerduh321
I love it when I have to re-read a post four or five times before coming to the conclusion... 'oh, wait, it's not me....'
Mean Atheists forcing Christians to listen to an Atheist show. The horror.
Michael T Christians don't have to call.
Ethan is offended when people use facts logic and reason.
How can they be ganging up on people when these people have a god in the corner?
***** Thank you. Guy is cool too.
***** "god doesn't help his followers."No, he uses his followers to fight his battles for him, defend his "honor," so to speak.
George Forsyth If you get your theological understanding from the back of a pizza box, I can understand how you would hold that sentiment
A Escoto I refute your implication; I am not William Lane Craig.
George Forsyth I did not think you were, nor is it necessary to be intellectually honest.
If God doesn't like it, he can call in and defend Himself.
I don't think his arguments would be any better.
She/He/ It won't. She/ he/it is too busy infecting millions with COVID 19.
Anyway, theists have GOD on their side... . . Can't He help them debunk a couple of mere mortal atheists?
He's too busy helping first world preachers with their sermons about don't masturbate or go to hell.
Haha, as soon as he is done helping Joel Osteen fleece the rubes, he will be all over that, believe me.
ahahah i eat atheists for lunch..
yet even better.. for the novice...2 words wins every battle...
CHRIST LIVES..you will surely die...
case closed..
do not engage these liars and monsters in debate... they are trained judo ninjas of twisting words and statements.....
you can not beat a cheater.. but GOD always wins thru you
+johnny llooddte
I don't know if anyone ever told you, but we all going to die..
+Moe Munny
God in on their side?
Well if there is one thing that rarely shows in any of the calls it is THAT one... Except if you assume that the oft repeated stuttering rebooting of the brain after their point was taken apart in midflight is a longterm version of the Tower of Babel speaking in tongues Stuff... THEN they definitely walk and talk with god on their side. Just why would you WANT that?
If a caller has a valid argument, the number of hosts isn't going to change that. This guy's criticism is essentially that callers have a lower chance of slipping flawed arguments past multiple hosts.
How dare you bring reason into this?!
@@pop9095 It is Un-fair to be reasonable ? ..................
I disagree with this. Obviously it is harder to make your point when two highly experienced debaters are against you. The cards are stacked against the theists but that is also because they are simply deluded as well.
@@irshviralvideo the theists should have the upper hand actually, they claim that the all powerful god is on their side!
"Religious apologists complain bitterly that atheists and secularists are
aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them.
I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn't argue with
us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we're doing is, we're
presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions,
and you complain." -- A.C. Grayling
That is so True. Religious people are just Spoiled.
Spoiled? Not really, they are simply concerned that if you get an inch you will destroy society and turn it into a bloodbath and/or cesspool of debauchery.
If atheism was the way to go it would have happened and stayed happened. So far it has only lead to collapse of societies and wars.
Some claim atheism just means no belief in God but suddenly all the non-believers are joining forces against religions? Would that be because they are trying to allow even more sexual misconduct and improper relations to be recognized?
How long will society go on in that direction before it implodes or collapses under the weight of all that sex?
@MusicMadMaurice
What you do in your bedroom isn't important at all. What you teach your children to do in the bedroom either by example or by having it taught in schools as an "acceptable lifestyle alternative" is another story.
Now that sexuality is exposed as the necessary function that humans have to reproduce other humans it should be plain that doing anything else with their various body parts is little more than nonsense.
You'd think that people who claim to be rational and reasonable would at least recognize their acts as something that should be kept to themselves and not broadcast so that children might think it's worthy of their attention.
it's not.
_I'd like to see your evidence that any society has collapsed due to people having fun in the dark._
I'd like to see your evidence that a little fun in the dark is anything more than uncontrolled lust and not an indication that those out of control are able to actually lead a country anywhere but to the nearest bedroom.
Rome fell for a few reasons, one of which was their value system was disrupted by Christianity. Christianity questioned their sexual perversions and other things they were doing and the Christians suffered for their pointing this out. They were relentlessly persecuted for several hundred years until Constantine converted and eventually made Christianity legal.
Other things included not paying attention to what was going on around them because they were too busy in those dark bedrooms getting their jollies.
Once Christianity started wagging fingers at them for being naughty things began to move forward. I'm surprised anyone would want to go back to the "dark bedroom ages".
You can thank Christians any time you realize how important they were to creating things like education and the fields of study that lead to science being widely taught.
Did you think maybe this came about by people in the dark having a bit of fun?
@MusicMadMaurice
I can appreciate wanting to reduce the influence of religion like removing prayer in schools (done) adding non-religious holidays to the calendar (done or in progress) and reducing the fear of homosexuality so that there is less violence against them (done).
I agree with civil unions for those who wish to marry someone of the same sex (done) but do not agree that it is anything to do with the church or God.
The origin of Mosaic law was about purification to focus on the task at hand and not running off to some dark bedroom to find sexual relief. There was hostility all around them and in order to survive they simply had to be very disciplined and practice the utmost self control.
There is nothing wrong with that in my mind. In fact, we could get rid of quite a few social programs with a bit of encouragement to stand up and be responsible for themselves.
Think about the impact that would have on things like abortion. We could reduce the 50 million a year dead baby count by a few million every year in North America alone with a bit of old fashioned prudence and taking responsibility.
If there is a God that would make him very happy.
Nothing wrong with keeping the spirit of love and life happy. If it means we stop telling kids that having sex is OK in any format then it shouldn't be any question at all what we should be doing. Short of giving them information on who they are and why they have the body parts they have it should not be something we entertain them with various possible lifestyles that might interest them like some kiddie menu at a fast food joint.
Like Mom and Dad serving you what they have in the fridge and if they don't like it...starve in your dark room.
But today that is considered child abuse.
Coddling them too much is a much worse form of child abuse because we are raising a bunch of tyrant wannabees who will destroy society if they don't get their own way.
Spare the rod and spoil the child.
Bwahahahaha!
@MusicMadMaurice
Thank you also for the replies and civility.
I agree that population growth and keeping the state (and church) in their proper place are critical to maintaining dominance or, at least, being able to resist the urge to open the doors to any and all who wish to come to this part of the world. We want to be able to pick and choose when possible as well as have room for any misplaced or displaced people should the need arise.
Abstinence from sex to control births doesn't need to mean no sex, just limited access depending on the method used. The RCC doesn't like any form of BC but that doesn't mean that those who are trying to micromanage their overhead have to give in to the urges out of sync with their natural timing. Anyone who waited before getting married has adequate self control to roll over their desires to a more appropriate time. There are also many ways around that as anyone who breathes can attest. And that's without getting into the sticky details of the act.
We do have a knack for finding pleasure when it is most needed to keep everyone happy. If nothing else. Sexual sins are expressed in terms of outside of marriage or those which do not have the potential for reproduction. More importantly this leads to the family that God considers a fruitful endeavor. Within those constraints it is quite possible to enjoy a very healthy sex life without expanding the family beyond the means of any couple.
It all boils down to self control and focusing on the big picture. (says the guy who has never married and spent most of his life pursuing physical pressures and resisting the pleasures).
I'm no saint, but I do have a reputation for at least trying to control myself...:) The urges are powerful and should not be left up to the weak minded to dabble with unattended. That wisdom, unfortunately, often comes too late for many and that is something we really need to try to improve so we don't have a weak society or weak nation.
It has worked over the history of human society and I believe it was Johnathan Haidt that said religious influence is critical to successful societies. Finding the happy medium between atheists and theists can be a tricky navigation though. So persist we all must to keep everyone moving forward in harmony.
@MusicMadMaurice
I've always been open minded about lifestyles as long as nobody is pushing their views on others. That's where I became involved in social issues decades ago but it wasn't about defending religion or condemning homosexuals.
If a book is on a bookshelf for purchase by adults for their kids I don't mind at all because the market demand will determine the shelf life. If it is being used as part of a school curriculum that forces all children to accept it as part of a healthy approach to sexuality then it is not appropriate and I don't mind sounding like a hypocrite.
I often think about what was available in my day growing up in that sexual revolution era and how mysterious and scary it all seemed. For me it was difficult to find information on anything of that nature so I feel the opening up of the information pipeline is an important step.
It becomes a matter of reducing confusion and protecting children from becoming sex toys. Information at the right time when they start asking questions is not harmful as long as it is presented in a spirit of learning and appreciating what they may be feeling. Keeping them open and unafraid to ask questions is critical.
The old "stone the homosexuals" may have been the only means available to demonstrate their proper sexual appreciation but today we have the internet where anyone can learn anything about sex they need to know and sometimes more than they really should be knowing.
I really doubt that there was any need to actually stone anyone back in that time because their society was much more intensely monitored. Something we used to have in small towns and cities until the cities almost forced everyone to mind their own business because it wasn't such a tightly knit group.
I disagree with the caller for the following reasons
1) the Caller choses to call, The show does not call them
2) the Caller gets to pick what he/she wants to talk about and the hosts have to be prepared on whatever the caller wants to talk about
3) If the caller is not fully prepared to talk about what they call in then it is their fault not the show
4) This is the only Atheist show while there are dozens of christian shows that are 24/7.
5) This show accepts both Atheist & Theist callers while Christian shows don't accept Atheists or anyone that questions what they are saying.
You're first point is one I was pretty much yelling aty screen at almost everything the caller was saying. The caller knows, or at least should know, what they're calling into, and it's the caller who calls in expecting to be the first to have a gotcha.
I'll just say that in addition to the caller knowinhg what they want to talk about, the caller also knows who they'll be talking to and how they typically handle calls while the hosts have no idea the kind of people who will call. For example the callers can know how each host handles bullshit but the hosts don't know what kind of bullshit they'll need to handle.
Poe or not, the caller has a point. 2 atheists vs. 1 theist isn't really fair, intellectually speaking. For a fair intellectual match-up, it should really be 2 atheists vs. 100 theists.
well, in most of the clips i've watched, it's mostly only one of the atheists doing most of the response anyway. Tracie Harris in particular always ends up dominating the convo while her cohost takes a backseat lol.
Sure, but, how could any scenario be unfair when the theist has Allmighty Gawd in their corner backing them up!
atheists vs the whole of Christendom and the atheists would still come out on top. You can't prove a lie.
Nothing is stopping callers from getting an army of people with them before calling either...
gspendlove if the idea was a good idea then it should stand against scrutiny, no matter how much is applied, understand however that in a scenario in which both ideas fail then , clear the idea it takes longer to break is the better idea
"National day of prayer". Why not a national day of thought?
Why not a national day of education. At least that is useful.
But the "religious" weren't taught to think for themselves. That'd be an unfair advantage for the atheists. ;)
National day of evidence!
christopher9000p ... love that idea!!
Lmao
He argues that religious people don't impose, yet he calls into the show to impose...
it's not 1 caller against a gang of atheists
it's one caller and GOD against a gang of atheist.
Right?
Or did they forget?
I'd think if god's got your back, there's no way anyone could argue against you. This god certainly doesn't seem very concerned at all that when arguing for it's existence, they end up looking like clowns, why would their god allow that?
davids11131113
maybe he was asleep on the job. you know how much god likes to "Rest"
ReachSkyla 'Works in mysterious ways' and whatnot.
davids11131113
those invisible and unverifiable ways. XD
ReachSkyla The only gang is christians. Atheists are free thinkers
Dude's brain popped at the end there.
"Bab debu dub bip doob..."
Wft😹
Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo
R2D2?
Wft😹 = what fuck the? :D
Imploded/exploded... Doesn’t matter...
Had he been a computer... Don’t even think taking him to the shop would’ve helped...
Just discard... Get a brand new hard drive... Maybe monitor too...
there are MORE denominations of christianity than there are sentences in the bible.....that can't be said often enough.....
"TENS of thousands." -- Saruman, _Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers_
The caller asserts that the hosts have an unfair advantage because there are two of them and they have the support of the staff.
The caller also had an advantage in that the caller is the one with the question, so he knows in advance what the topic of discussion will be, and so can have done research, prepared notes and quotes ready on the subject. The hosts do not know what the caller will ask in advance.
Generally the callers are Christian by a majority.
Many of these Christians believe that their god intervenes in this physical plane of existence.
Ergo, the odds as far as numbers are concerned seem even:
Two hosts VS a slavish thrall and a primitive blood-god.
Sandra Noneofyourbusiness.
Makes no difference! They'll just make excuses for their unbelief no matter the question anyone ask!
Paul George they are not making excuses, they are asking for evidence to support the claims of a god before they believe. They openly welcome anyone to provide real proof, and no one has yet been able to provide any. Think of it like this, if I told you that there are purple skunks that spray out lilac oil as opposed to the regular foul stuff. Before you believe my claim, you are going to want some evidence to support it, correct?
They are doing the exact same thing, just with god instead of lilac skunks.
Farrah Terrell The evidence is in the scriptures. When you read your history book in school did you trust it? Or assume as others that there were people who chronicled and wrote what they saw, and took it as truth. Bet you never questioned it at all! Yet when it comes to the Bible and it's history, prophecies, and wisdom we question it and God, vigorously.
"Blessed are they that have not seen but do believe" was told to Thomas and the Apostles around him.
Also; why do you think you need proof, when it's before your face daily and you deny it; and THEN you need proof from the writings?
It'll never be enough for the atheist or agnostics that really don't want God in their lives. Be truthful for once!
It's also funny how they want to judge God whom they don't believe in, to challenge them that do. Mostly to make themselves feel superior and as logic and reason minded.
"A fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."
Paul George first, The reason I trust historical facts is because multiple sources corroborate the same thing, where as the Bible only has a single source for the vast majority. If only one history book said that George Washington hunted vampires I’m by no means going to believe that single source, but if it’s written about by multiple different people in multiple different areas then I’m more apt to believe it. My father has his masters in history and prided himself in teaching me how to find what is most likely true and most likely false.
Second, I’m not agnostic or atheist, I absolutely believe in God. However I understand why they want proof and I do not fault them for it. My belief in God comes not from the scripture but from particular experiences in my life, including being medically dead for 10 minutes because of an anaphylactic reaction. My guess is that *you* didn’t even entertain that idea and just went strait to assuming I was some “godless heathen.”
The idea that "The Crapolic Church invites dissenting opinions" is massively delusional.
Its about as true as Islam and Muslims being accepting of homosexuals or apostasy.
They did. It was called Spanish Inquisition.
"but, but, but, but, but...uh" Yeah, exactly. When you learn to think clearly and can present your thoughts cogently, call us back.
William Allman - He has called back. Many times. He's a crank caller who has also called in as Pastor George. Every call he gets backed into a corner of stupid and it usually ends with a variation of what you just heard. Except for the one time he acted all cheerful and godly as he called the previous caller (who had a pronounced Indian/Pakistani accent) a "curry eater".
Ruprect44 Yeah, I've watched quite a few more atheist-experience videos since making that comment, and I've seen the two you reference. He, and people like him, always remind me of Einstein's remark about human stupidity, and in this case also reminds me of Einstein's definition of insanity.
William Allman Don't know if either of those apply, but he most definitely proves Poe's Law.
Ruprect44 Good point, and one which I had not considered. Judging from the hosts' reactions I had assumed he was a racist Christian apologist, but the surety of your statement about Poe's Law leads me to think you may have information to which I am not privy. :-)
William Allman Not at all. It's precisely because I don't know whether he is a Christian bigot or an Atheist troll that I declare Poe's Law. (Of course, slightly modified to include kook Christians instead of just the traditional Creationists. You know, "spirit vs letter of the law" type thing)
What I CAN say with absolute certainty is that the multiple names prove he is a liar and, therefore, not to be taken seriously either way.
But...but...b-b-b-b-bbut...but... but....
Fail.
SimplyReg hey stop it! Don't bully him because of his stuttering, bully him because he's dumb smh.
He handled himself very well. Taking the piss because he stuttered is weak as fuck.
BadgerUKvideo he was a bumbling fool
Charles Ferguson If he's your idea of a fool the world you live in must be terrifying.
BadgerUKvideo right. He sounded like an idiot and just because he stayed on the phone with him didn't mean he held his own because they were shooting down everything he was saying because he was completely ignorant and in his own box.
How unfair! They bring people who actually know stuff to the discussion! The HORROR!
taledarkside *Baitfail* *Baitfail* *Baitfail*
*Baitfail* *Baitfail* #NotBiting
*Baitfail* *Baitfail* #Can'ttouchDis
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Don't worry - this is my thread. post once in a while so that I am dragged back here, and I will restore anything that douche bag flags.
Every link is spam?.....Bahahahha.
Your fucking profile pic is a link, Where have you been for the past 5 minutes?
Most of the christians sound like this, "Well I....kind of...I just think....erm....I sort of....hmmm.....well....I guess I.....I believe in God"
Very convincing.
fiveredpears no..... it's the other way around 😑🙄
@@T0mat0_S0up wut?
+ fiveredpears
Agreed.
@@T0mat0_S0up
You are joking, right?
@@T0mat0_S0up Not really. Christians say "I believe in God because the Bible says he's real / I just *feel* that he's real" and atheists are saying "I don't believe in God because he hasn't demonstrated that he exists and the Bible hasn't been demonstrated to be divinely inspired in any way." One of those positions is more rational than the other.
I still get theists telling me God is in me because I'm not a bad person .I have to keep reminding them that the only person within me is me.I dont need God's or religion to be a personable nice person. Being decent is not a christian value it's a human one.
Ethan, like so many theists try to demonize atheists. Rather than putting forth a coherent argument against atheism. It speaks volumes about their lack defense of theism.
But theists have "gawwwd" on their side. We lose, how could we compete with gawwwd?
Your that foolish, for real u dont know one thing about the Bible. It is obivious, what about The dozens of propheicies regarding the the first coming, of the Lord Jesus . Written Prophesied 100 s, of years before He came, if u dont even know one your crediability is shot. For your arrogant asertion that that the Bible is a myth. every nation ,country, can be verified, what about the prophieces regarding isreal being restablished in the last days. Titus roman general completly destroyed them in ad 70, leaving a sky high pile of carcases, but u knew this. The Bible predicted this last days satanic homo revelution, thousands of years ago. Mankind is a fallen creature, thats why were wicked and hate God.thats why theirs sickness ,disase, death, betrayal, injustice, Jesus Christ is the Saviour of The World. He came to redeem us of Sin, you dont want to face your wickedness. The Fear of The Lord is the begining of wisdom, but fools despise Knowledge and instruction. You need to get Humble before God. He is a consuming Fire. He will hold u acountible for your Sin. But will forgive if u repent change of mind change of Heart. And put your trust in The Lord Jesus.
Paul Mayta Oh typical creatard, the first word is wrong, i won't bother to read the rest of your verbal diarrhea! You seem to lack intelligence.
+Paul Mayta hey bitch, so in other words you're telling me that we have to live in fear of our creator to be happy. Well how about FUCK YOU and your pitiful greedy god??? Yup. You're spreading dictatorship to us in such a manner that it makes me fuel with rage. I didn't ask to come here. I was born an that's that. What's all this bullshit about us being sinners at the time of birth??? Fuck you. All that crap sounds like a perfect setting for the next manga series. Haha. Pathetic bullshit fit for pathetic believers. How sad that the human race has allowed itself to devolve. Morons.
EXACTLY, THEY ALSO WORSHIP A MURDERER. In the bible he has killed around 5000 people throughout the story and Satan 7 which were actually done with god's permission. He was also okay with killing countless innocent kids in Egypt because they all believed in different gods in the story of Moses. To me god is a greedy serial killer that can't take criticism too well.
Jose Moya a murderer who condones rapes and slavery, What a sick god!
Why has God failed all the Christian callers? Why hasn't he given any of them a divinely inspired speech that instantly converts the whole Athiest Experience crew?
Especially funny when one consiters that their Huly Buk tells them to not worry about this kind of thing. It promised them that at the right time the Huly Spurit will give them the proper words for their argumentation. One also assumes this includes the eloquence to convince others.
Yet another Gawd fail.
@Syn Cloud I think Stephanie was being sarcastic.
....don't the callers know what they're getting into? If so, then there is no sense in which they are being treated unfairly.
+T Oadaly To call in they MUST have watched the show...yet they think to themselves, "Yah, I dun got Jeebus on my'alls side!"
I can't really see the problem when there are two atheists and one theist, or it could be the other way around. It isn't like it's a wrestling tag-team match. These are discussions. They are presentations of ideas.
Dead on.
There's no problem. I think this guy was a poe, wasting time. I've rarely ever seen Russell hang up on anyone, but I was just waiting for it to happen this time.
rob smith I think maybe he's probably just a little desperate, kind of backed into a corner.
DarkeTribute
He's definitely the guys who made the "curry eater" slur at the end of his call back in episode 806. Check out the video "Theist Gets a Logic Enema - The Atheist Experience #806" if you haven't seen it.
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They quite often become a contest :) But anyone who calls does so with the understanding that the hosts have resources to answer challenges, just as callers have resources with which to issue challenges. For this guy to insist that host gang up on callers is just a waste of time.
I love the phrase "The One True Church". LOL, that's some arrogance you got here.
The Theoritizer I’ve been to at least a dozen churches with different beliefs and they all claim they are “The One True Church”.
You know, even in the one true church's book, it says that there are 7 churches of God...and 7 spirits.
nope It's actually a fact. foh you pos
So this caller has radically rejected all other religions but Catholicism. He and I are almost identical. I just reject one more church than him.
Is it me or is Tracey kinda hot?
It's not just you---- she is not " kinda"---- she is irrefutably hot, on all fronts.
+LawoftheLandPA She has this wonderful simmering sexuality. Smart women are HOT!
+LawoftheLandPA No, it is not just you.
I wonder if she would say "oh god, oh god" jk she is super smart and smart is sexy.
Nope. Not alone. Tracie is definitely hot. She's extremely smart and good looking.
That being said, I'd rather spend an hour just having intellectual discussion with her rather than spending that hour in bed.
Although, if I had two hours...
In case there's anyone out there like this caller who doubt the persecution some Atheists experience, I'd like to share a quick experience of my own. I almost got into a fist fight with my brother because of my Atheism. His daughter asked him if God really existed because my youngest brother told her he didn't, and he took that as an opportunity to attack the only Atheist he knew. Me. His younger brother. He called me a weirdo and a freak and told me to keep my mouth shut and keep my stupid beliefs to myself. The fear and anger brought about by the mere existence of Atheism brought him to a frothing rage and if it wasn't for our father stopping it, the assault would have turned physical. My father, by the way, agreed with my brother that I should keep my ideas to myself. Nobody is asking religious people to keep it to themselves. What we all want, every human, religious or not, is that the government does not enforce or endorse any stance on religion.
This would be a very rough estimate, but about 18, I think.
I talk to my dad, but it's not a real open relationship. I feel sorrow for my brother, but also anger. We don't really talk.
"...bu..bu.but...but...but." Nice ending. It was painful listening to that guy. Passive aggressive, just like da lawd!
but, but, but, LOLZ!!!
B-b-b-but but but but!
Nice talking with you! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That's all folks!
Of course the theist callers have the advantage of knowing what their argument is and having all the time they need to prepare before calling. Supposedly they also have an all-knowing deity on their side.
Supposedly.
Your right but no matter how much the theist researches its all from a book they have faith in is a gods word. Human beings write books They may say the book or books are their gods work but in the end they always have to admit it is a matter of faith not evidence
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If the theist has read the whole book before calling, they'd have an even bigger advantage. Their complaints that they're being picked on are baseless.
@@laydieelle7069 I agree with you totally. The bible is full of contradictions anyway. If a god or gods exist I want them to turn up, that would settle all debates.
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Yes. If a god turned up and proved they were god, we'd all have to accept this.
I would not worship the Abraham god though - maniacal sexist that he would be.
If you do not want to get ganged up on, don't call in with ignorant comments. Also, this is a freaking call-in show! Every call-in show has this format.
I thought that theists have god in their corner? God can't handle two atheist hosts, a physicist and a biologist?
Edit: Oh, someone already made a comment like this..
Make the comment anyway, it's a fair point.
They claim they're being ganged up on, persecuted even.
But, in THEIR corner they're backed up by, allegedly, a universe-creating, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-singing, all-dancing god of everything, that can do anything or impart knowledge onto them with psychic powers (if they only clap their hands together and beg for it like good little serfs, without a hint of dignity).
They ought to be able to FLATTEN the atheistic position with such a force, such a power on their side....
And yet, notice how few of them will actually pray for intervention? How few of them actually ask their god for help in that moment?
Because even they're aware that their whiny little prayer wont be answered, even they know on some level that there's nobody up on high listening for their requests. The fact that they're not asking their primitive deity's favor is VERY telling of their own personal insecurities.
The caller didnt have 1 single point that wasn't mic-drop flat-out refuted and put down. haha
I have many times been ganged up on by Christians. Just announce your atheism at a dinner party and get ready to run the gauntlet.
This is one reason I love to listen and watch the Atheist Experience because of the open honesty.
Waaaahhhhh..... I'm encountering resistance to my dogma! Therefore you are ganging up on me!
:D The ending was sooooooo funny!!!! "B-b-b-bu-but-but-I-I-I" :D
You have too many smart people.
That's not fair?
What does he think should happen? They take two or three calls at a time?
+Hooptie Hamburger Nah - he just doesn't think they should present their best arguments. If they don't the callers might not lose as often. That'd make the theists look better.
The Catholic Church has so much money, they have their own bank.
This caller is a pain to listen to. I would have hung up on this theists a long time ago.
I am falling in love with Tracie O.O
I would greatly appreciate it if she didn't talk so loudly at times, compared to the other speakers. I find it very distracting, even from what she herself is saying.
Beautiful And Intelligent! what more do you want?
Gladiator match for Tracie. Taking bets now.
LOL! I am a 10th Dan Black Belt! in ninjutsu and 8 other arts a Black belt in Karate and a Russian martial art Systema instructor. I welcome all comers!
These odds suck. Haha
This caller's voice sounds familiar. He calls in a lot.
I'm glad someone else noticed that too. :)
ethan, frank, and ed? yeah
It's the same guy that called another caller a "Curry Eater", which pissed Matt off pretty bad.
George, 'Pastor' George......he once met a troll named 'Troll' in Norway ;)
He's a whiny little bitch
Tracie reminds me of Sigourney Weaver.
Haha, me too! She also reminds me of Mary McCormack. However, even though all three look alike, they are unique in their own ways. :)
YES THE YOUNGER VERSION OF SIGOURNEY BUT PRETTIER .YOU KNOW YOU BEAT ME TO THE POST ON THIS ONE
The funniest part of this call is that the Catholic caller calling his particular sect as the One True Church...just like each of the OTHER 1,000 sects thinks that THEY are the right one!
_"aww you have experts in the "audience", it's not fair!!!"_
LM-freaking-AO
This was one of the funniest episodes. 1:50 Caller: (appalled) "So... you're USING the callers?!!" Cohosts: "Yeah, exactly. To an extent, yeah."
Bu… bu… P… p…
uriituw That was the best part :D
uriituw Shit, I was watching that part as i read it>>>hahah
This is such an easy call to answer: "Yeah we gang up on people but you can always beat us if you're good enough". True too, so that's a bonus
Hey, lets get biblical shall we? DAVID is ganging up on Goliath and the whole Philistine army. YES, Tracie and Russell are just that BAD ASS!
This is the same guy who references “curry eater” in another call.
I lived in Nicaragua and Ecuador both times I had fights with American Missionaries. In Managua it was with Mormons trying to convert the locals. While I dislike religion I HATE!!!! the cultural-cide missionaries do. So I got on my laptop and pulled up all the stuff on Mormonism and gave to 2 local churches in the area that the Mormons where working on. I confronted them in and told them that back in the US talking about religion was considered rude, so why come here and act rudely?
Good job! What was the result of this?:) Did you remember mention how theyr beloved founder was just crooked sociopath and evidence for it?
Hellsong89 I gave the local churches information about the "holy underware" the Curse of Hamm, and some info on Joe Smith. What caused the "fight" was when I confronted them on the street. I look like Cholo so they were in shock when I spoke Nyer English and peppered it with salty language. One of the reason I was really pissed at them was because of their belief at one time that non whites could not go to Mormon heaven (curse of Hamm) yet they went to the 2nd poorest country in the Western Hemisphere to convert a bunch of mixed blood natives and take there money.
henry landivar Ou didnt get that far in my Mormon study! :D I had enough proof, when i read from Smiths past! :D
Thing i dont get, why mormons would come scam money from (with all respect) some most poor back water countrys!? :D There is not much to scam from, i presume...
Hellsong89 Yeah very little... I guess with some thing like that it would require mass conversion to make some scratch.
Hellsong89 They prey on gullibility & poorer countries lack the most critical thought in their education.
It is called the Atheist Experience, not call in and let's shoot the breeze. Of course it is biased. It is ridiculous to expect it to be otherwise.
7:51 the "SO DONE WITH THIS SHIT" look on Tracy's face when that dude said "MY CHURCH"
Thank you guys so much for representing athiests, educating athiests and theists, and having a public platform! Your work is very very important!
"But, but, but...." LOLOLOL
It's unbelievable to me how much prosecution atheists seem to have to endure in the States. Is it really this bad?
In some places, the south being the worst. The more liberal states are not quite so bad but it still exists there.
So, by this caller's logic, having more people on a call makes the irrational claims of religion more valid?
It is completely appropriate to gang up on crooks selling cons and lies.
It's worth pointing out that this caller was doing the standard dance of ignoring every answer and moving quickly on. Matt is best at stopping this in it's tracks.
David Johnson These guys never listen. They only hear some trigger words and respond accordingly by parroting stuff they've been told.
Why do christians have such a hard time understanding such simple things? How could you not believe in god? How could they not believe in Mohammad? What's the point of an atheist show? What's the point of a christian show? What if you're wrong? Well, what if they're wrong? Easy, simple, questions that seem so hard for a christian's mind to comprehend.
Having faith in a God? I have nothing to lose
Educated BlackMan No? You do if another religion is right and you're wrong. You assume there are only two choices, your religion or atheism. Like I said, simple logic escapes you even though it was spelled out for you in part of the original post. You just proved my point. Thank you.
TruthHurts No I didn't, Christianity doesn't conflict with other religions *as far as them existing in the same world*. The bible acknowledges other Gods (false, idol, foreign, etc.). Nice try with that come back, but if I die rather there's a heaven or not, I will die with hope. I have nothing to lose.
Educated BlackMan If christianity turns out to be wrong then it makes the bible wrong by default. If the bible is wrong, who cares how many gods it says there are, it's wrong. Just because religions may "exist in the same world" does not make them all right or equal. If we're supposed to be sacrificing goats to god every other week you're just as fucked as any atheist. Also if you think "Christianity doesn't conflict with other religions as far as them existing in the same world" and you'll go to heaven even if the Muslims are correct then you must also believe Muslims will go to heaven if your god is the correct one and they were wrong. Once again you prove common sense is in short supply among christians.
TruthHurts First off do you know what common sense is? Common sense is the ability to perceive and judge thing common amongst all people. Its common sense not to jump off a cliff, its common sense not to hold your breathe under water too long. Common sense not to flirt with another man's wife. All of these are instinctive, its common sense. Common sense wouldn't be "common" if it was related or based off people religious belief, duh
Religion is your belief or practice. This is where my issue come on...criticize Christianity for all its worth, but criticize Christians? Why can't you respect other people's belief? I haven't called you out or even try to "convert" you. I'm just stating I have nothing to lose which further proves that Christian aren't this picture you pain us as.
And if you read your passage you said "If" six times total. So you're in the same boat as me, if Christianity is wrong you have nothing to lose, if its right or other religions well...that's your choice, I respect your beliefs.
I’m so glad I found this channel. I moved to the Bible Belt twenty years ago and for the first three years or so, all people who met me for the first time said was “so, which church do you attend?” They needed to pigeonhole me immediately. I lived in a neighborhood for seven years without incident until one day a neighbor said “I just heard you don’t go to church...how could we have even been friends?” I was so startled by that comment, I froze and had no retort...funny or otherwise.
I am so inspired by this channel.
Thanks so much!
Tracie seems a lot healthier these days. Quite a beauty actually. Anyone agree?
....um, yeah.
I AGREE. She looks fantastic and it's so sexy when she's able to defend her position so articulately and with such confidence! Such a boss.
Debra Bigmessing Aye, she's a lass for sure.........smart is sexy.
beautiful in a most holistic sense.certainly looking gorgeous, but the icing of the cake is her brilliance, the same is true for jen (she would be the kind of "badass" friend i'd like to have to watch my back in a fight). check out their epidsode about "naturalistic fallacy". Brilliant and poetic. pulitzer suspicious.
Absolutely - I would.
Do you think she would be into dressing up as a nun for carnal purposes?
if they could prove their claim, what difference would it make if it was 1 against 2 or 1 against 1000 ?
Precisely. And, if as you suggest, that lone Christian were able to unequivocably prove the 'God claim', the ranks of the religious would instantly swell to virtually 100%. And, guess what? I'd be at the head of the queue to rejoin them.
HEY, !!!! no fair breaking in line , i was here first ..lol
illusion of freedom
Oi! Stand still and stop all that shoving in the queue! ;-)
Oh, you guys didn't get wristbands? It beats standing in line ;)
C Byington
Lol! ;-)
The stutters, the long long pauses, the choking on their own idiocies as it begins to dawn, the blustering incredulity, and maybe, just maybe, the paradigm shift to come. At the end, there, the caller sounded like he was choking on something he didn't even realise he'd swallowed in the first place
I know this is a little late, but it's not two against one, it's all the callers against them.
Agreed.
Not really, it's individual callers. these callers arent all banning together to debate these guys. Not that them banning together would make their argument any better, it wouldn't
So there is really no point.
Ethan is against callers being used................... as he stays on the line as a caller himself....
Where is my thinking hat, I really need it right now.
LogicalStatements3
Apparently Ethan has it, but is wearing it backwards.
soupalex ahhhhhhaha
Tracie is amazing
Tracy is an idiot and a fool.
cogen651
really? I thought she made some quite compelling and interesting points... a fact emphasized that the caller was left utterly speechless.
I love how he can see the unfairness of this one hour show but can't acknowledge the unfairness of the rest of the world. Take the blinders off, buddie!
You do know what it means when someone starts stuttering, right! Usually they ran out of lies, and they're trying to think up new ones!
Man does this voice sound familiar...this is definitely the guy who came up with the "Curry eater" comment.
Yeah, it's the same guy, pretty sure. He's called under several names and always whines like a whining whiner.
I've definitely noticed similarities every now and then within the tone of voice. Could just be the way it is communicated via the lines, though.
I knew I'd heard him call before!
P.G.Myers?
Is that the censored version of P.Z ?
Amazing.
Extremely entertaining. And so educational. Love these hosts. Big thanks
My fiance and I have had this same discussion often. She grew up non-religious in North Jersey (really a wealthy suburb of NYC), and never felt pressured by family or friends to be religious. I grew up atheist in the deep south and felt constant isolation and pressure from family, friends, and co-workers if I simply said, I'm not religious. There is a presumption by a large number of religious people in the south that if you don't go to church than you don't have a moral compass, you are evil, you have been lead astray by the actual devil incarnate, and it's their job to save you. She didn't really understand how pushy, and difficult religious people could be until she spent some time in the south.
Think I've heard Ethan before. Pretentious, I'm-so-reasonable, git.
I think he's called under the name Pastor George. There's one video of him complaining because his Sunday School class has found the AE show and all the little kiddies have started watching it.
John McKay Lol!
John McKay Well fucking said.
Tracy sure is some fine eye candy.
...and much more importantly, brain candy!
Both is good....
Hal Wakka It is true that most atheists are not too good looking and many are also poorly educated as well. I do know some exceptions to the rule of course.
Most people learn how to think and become Christians before they die.
Jed Clampett And Christians only ensure this of people by threatening to axe their families to death if they don't.
Katherine Daniel There are many more Christians than "atheists," and yet you rarely hear of "threatening to axe their families."
I believe "atheists" make up a lot of excuses so they do not have to attend church!
You are fighting fire with water!. I wish you had that analogy at hand the time. The ending was perfect though "But...but...but".
That caller is discovering the principle of a debate. The point is never to make the opponent debater change his/her mind, but to expose the audience to different points of view. A debate's target is the audience, not the opponent.
My dear Christian: If you had something intelligent to present, all would pay attention to you and if you could prove your God, there would no longer be a fuss. All intelligent people would just say.......gosh there is that God!!
Yes I also use the mindset of belief in many public discussion forums, it is quite entertaining to watch the religious mind struggle and fail, time after time as they attempt to instill their proof of their God into others. So you get silly nonsense like this that yes is viewed by many in this world.
And we do say.......gosh what a mess of ignorance.
Cheers!
You atheists should really do some research.
tman dunk
Research on what? Is it not you who claims the great sky daddy? All we do is say we do not believe you and leave you struggling to prove what you say.
Does not the reborn thing make you new and put the Holy Spirit into you, gives you great means and intelligence to explain all things. Gives you an entire book of magic to illustrate all that you say.
So explain.
Kit Carson . LOL I will continue to laugh at you.
Yes we have but one life to live, we should laugh and enjoy all we can while we can. I do agree.
Thank You, for the standard response that most Christians do have. It is for the most part quite entertaining.
Cheers!
Kit
Kit Carson . Yes I agree. We all should enjoy life and make peace with others. God Bless
The caller is acting as the spokesperson for a particular religion. The evidence refuting their claims comes from physics, cosmology, paleontology, archaeology, geology, history, linguistics, and a host of other disciplines. No it's not fair that they only have 2 people to speak against the theist... they should have at least 10 or 15.
SunPower Guru Bullshit. The problem that theists have NO basis in fact but the hosts have facts behind what they say is really tough SHIT
I hate when people use the "ganging up" excuse. If you're in a room with 50 people who are all yelling about how the world is flat or how the sky is pink, it doesn't matter how many you're up against. If your argument had sound reasoning and is valid it will stand on it's own merit. If you can't stand multiple people questioning it it's probably a weak position.
Ganging up usually denotes not allowing the point of view of the lesser to be heard
I grew up in Utah as an atheist and I was the black sheep of the state, I had very few friends and I had lots of people in my school mock me or ridicule me because I was not a Mormon. What you guys do is amazing and I am proud to watch your show. It's not about religion so to speak it's about freedom to express yourself in a religious aspect. And it also ties into the First Amendment. Living in Utah with such a large majority of Mormons is difficult enough but on top of that I am a transgender transsexual widowed mother of a 7 year old so I'm frowned upon on many different levels however you guys keep my reality real and I applaud you for that and if I could I would hug you for that. Keep On Keepin On is all I can say.
Tracy Harris is so dam stunning to me she looks like a younger sigourney weaver . she has brains and amazing looks a true woman in my eyes
But she really needs to catch up on her sleep!
HellBringer she's hotter than sigourney weaver ever was
HellBringer She would make you feel like a virgin in bed.
I was thinking the same thing. Her sex appeal, and her intelligence make her a perfect 10 in my book.
HellBringer +1
4:17 Tracy "oh my god" 😆
Tracy's explanation of it not being fighting with fire is spot on
Religion ruins everything.
Caller: "So you're using the callers?"
Tracy: "Yeah, exactly"😂😂😂😂
I love her so much😂😂😂😂
Just like bitches uses men.
"The Catholic Church invites dissenting opinions"
What. Buuuuuullshit!
@Pennpenn - there are not enough "thumbs-up" in the entire _universe_ for this comment! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
"The Catholic Church Invites dissenting opinion"
There is so much wrong with this
Please. Let's be fair. The Catholic Church does invite dissenting opinion ...... and then they burn you at the stake.
Caller: but...but....but.... I....
Host: We win. Goodbye.
When confronted with hard facts, a new language comes out their mouths: tap ti da the pk ik th bu tt kp j hj tk but tk tk...
It's called "speaking in tongues" in religious circles, or "frontal lobe stroke" in scientific terms.
I just looked up "simpleton" in the dictionary, and saw this guy's picture.
As an atheist I have never ever knocked on someone's door trying to convert them. Never tried to convert somebody to atheism. I don't give a fuck if you are religeous. Go your own way. Just leave me alone.
Atheist Experience do not fight fire with fire, they fight wooo with logic and common sense.
I agree with the caller. Don't you think it's totally unfair that you atheists deal yourselves all the valid arguments and leave the idiotic ones for theists? Stop oppressing them.
No, absolutely not. First of all, Christianity is the ones consistently trying to push their belief system down everybody's throat, and also Islam too. The problem is theists come to the arena picking the fights. Then, theists get pissed off, when they start losing the battle, and they have to realize how delusional their imaginary friend and belief system sounds like. The point you don't get, is that Christianity and Islam is more than happy to preach to their own choir. But, are not open to other schools of thought. For me..I have had no problem having Christianity or Islam come around and impose their will around me. Because I have no problem about giving them the reality SmackDown when they keep invading people space. And that's what Christianity and Islam does not understand. For some reason, I don't think you understand..
+Think Outsidethebox Yeah, I think you misunderstood the tone of the comment. It's obviously a joke.
+Think Outsidethebox it was a joke on theists and a defense for atheists, pretty obvious second degree
+Boro Nut
Peasant: "Help, help, I'm bein' repressed!"
King Arthur: "Bloody peasant!"
Peasant: "Oh, what a dead give away! Did you hear that? Did you hear that?"
-Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Lol this is a winning comment.