Thank you for this, past Mormon, I am on my way to get baptized!!, This was a great subject, and it is so well needed, so many cults out there where people have been deceived and need direction, God Bless You all.
I’m so glad you’ve become a Christian after Mormonism ❤️ I always see so many Mormons who’ve left to become atheists, or who never leave. I was never a Mormon myself but I have a big heart for the Mormon and jehovas church members who are being deceived
Praise God for Steve Lawson - “I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you. Praise be to you, LORD; teach me your decrees.” Psalm 119:11-12
I love these Q&As. I learn so much from you super guys and am so amused how you guys work out your differences. Even the banter is enlightening. How blessed we are to have you saints in our midst. God bless you all
Reeves has it correct Biblically in regards to Baptism. I had a friend who was raised Roman Catholic was at18 born again and was Baptized the first time again which was a great testimony to her family who cried with a fuller understanding of the Gospel
When Calvin was asked if it was necessary to be rebaptised. He asked 3 questions: was water used? was the intent to baptise? Was it done in the name of the Father, Son. Holly Spirit? If you answer "no" you need to be baptised, not rebaptised. For Christians to not baptise their children is to declare them outside the covenant. Just as it was a for a jew not to circumcise their son. Baptist start in the wrong place in the New Testment they need to start with 1 Corinthians 10: and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
What is one piece of advice to a lead pastor to reaching the next generation? Steven Lawson nailed it. Preach the Word of God... and I would add, with confidence and unashamedly. I'm early in my walk and the Lord led me to a Gospel preaching and teaching Church which is small, strong and growing. A few other things I appreciate from our Church is that we go through entire books. When I first started attending, we were half way through Hebrews. Our Pastor wrapped up that book in 40 weeks. Then we covered Habakkuk, line by line. Now, in my second year attending my Church, we're in the Book of John, Chapter 19. In addition to the expository approach, which I love, we also open and close with worship in hymns and songs that are biblically sound, with singers and musicians who know and understand that our goal in our roles is not to put on a show to entertain, but to help our fellowship glorify our Lord. I'm in the Worship group and it is so glorious to look upon our fellowship, energized and enthusiastically glorifying the Lord right along with us. And last but not least, we're strong on prayer to our Lord and one another.
What an era to hear a panel of Presbyterians talk about how they would rebaptize someone coming out of Catholicism. I see the divide between Presbyterians, Baptists, and non-denominationalists slowing disintegrating. I'm so grateful for these guys.
Oh you’re the very precious gifts from generously God for Gus tough time to reveal the beauty of God that expressed through Christ !! Be blessed more and more to be a blessings to your remaining lives
I LIKE MANY BORN-AGAIN, CHRISTIANS, WANTED TO BE BAPTIZED COMPLETE IMMERSION, DOWN INTO THE WAYERS, COMPLETE, IMMERSION, DOWN UNDER, AND UP INTO NEW-LIFE IN JESUS THE LORD. SPRINKLE'N DOESN'T REPRESENT SUCH AN EXAMPLE,... DOWN INTO WATER, INTO DARKNESS, THEN UP INTO NEW-LIFE !!!
@@ThomasCranmer1959 , there is a great divide. Those that are "open brethren" are often, but not exclusively, Arminian. Those of us along the line that some call "exclusive" are not. Here is an excerpt from something that John Darby wrote which shows clearly where he stood on the issue. It is Victorian English so bear with it when you read. "This fresh breaking out of the doctrine of free-will helps on the doctrine of the natural man's pretension not to be entirely lost, for that is really what it amounts to. All men who have never been deeply convinced of sin, all persons with whom this conviction is based upon gross and outward sins, believe more or less in free-will. You know that it is the dogma of the Wesleyans, of all reasoners, of all philosophers. But this idea completely changes all the idea of Christianity and entirely perverts it." I stand with Mr. Darby. 😊
@@ThomasCranmer1959, certainly not. If you google Plymouth Brethren you will find our history both the good and bad. There is no church merging. Christians do join us from other denominations but only person by person. There is no hierarchy to join. There is nothing above the local assembly body except the Lord Himself Who is Head over all blessed forever.
Galatians 3:13-14 NKJV Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"), [14] that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hodge was opposed by Thornwell. Thornwell rightly opposed Roman Catholic baptism and wrote a lengthy book against its sacerdotal basis, including the fact that papists mix holy oil with the consecrated water. Hodge was obviously wrong. 26:58 minute mark.
God would that all man be saved, But that having been said, God does not sit around "desiring to be the God of my children" . He either is or is not their father. He either has or has not elected them. God is not bound to a covenant with my children simply because he has saved me.
Hi, I have heard from a Presbyterian friend that the reason we don’t see infant baptism is because it is the first generation. For example if missionaries went to an unreached place the first generation both Presbyterians and Baptists would look the same it wouldn’t be until children were born from the believers you see a difference. But I would agree with you, that baptism is not for infants but for professing believers. My belief for that rests on the new covenant, I do not believe the new covenant is a covenant of the flesh like the old ones were where the covenant is made with everyone in the church I believe the new covenant is a covenant of the spirit a greater covenant where the covenant is made only with those who have been born again which faith is the sign of. (Jer 31:31-34, Ezek 36:26-27)
....I too only believe in a Believers Baptism. But, that said, l've been searching for a great Reformed Church. The best l've found is an OPC... Orthodox Presbyterian Church...and Reformers are mixed on Baby Baptism. This church believes in Covenant Theology. They believe babies are brought into the Covenant by Baptism...but saved by the New Birth. The Pastor told me they go off of Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your household shall be saved." I am still confused by it. This weekend starts 3 classes after church for 3 weeks, explaining everything...and also preparatory if you are interested in joining the church. I am open to understanding because it's wonderful to finally find a church that doesn't hate the Reformed doctrines of Grace. Plus Creeds and Confessions...Canons of Dort and they sing Hymns and Psalms, not secular worldly music. They are there to worship God, not entertain. Them baptizing babies is not a deal breaker because it's not for Salvation. Hope this helps....📖🌷
Know the difference between the tradition of men and Sola Scripture. Show me a single verse in scripture where one man can elevate and proclaim another man is how a “pastor”. Some people shout Titus 1:5, Titus 1:5. But please read the verse. God instructed Titus to appoint elders in Crete. Nowhere in the verse are there instructions to the newly appointed elders in a local congregation to continue appointing others in their congregation. Let us not add to God’s Word. Stay with Sola Scripture and reject the traditions of men.
@@1Whipperin I’m glad you recognize the connection between the word shepherd and the word pastor. If you can see that much, why don’t you recognize the gifts in Ephesians 4 as offices within the Body of Christ? And if you’re honestly asking where the title of pastor comes from, I’d say Ephesians 4. But it’s also the simple fact that the language that early church fathers spoke and wrote in has an impact historically. The word “pastor” has a strong root in Latin, not necessarily “Rome”.
@@MrAntiOrdinary Thank you for your question. Regarding 1 Pet. 5 :1-4 the word shepherd is used once in v4 and it is referring to Christ. He is our only shepherd, not men. Regarding your second question, please watch the teaching series I recommended. It talks about church history and explains where and when titles such as reverend originated, starting as soon as the second century. Lastly you mentioned Matthew 23:8-12, these are verses people us to prove the false church system we have today. Regards,
@@1Whipperin Respectfully, that’s a strange question from where I sit. I believe that the Apostles and Prophets have already preceded us, that is, we meet them in the Scriptures and generally, it is through them that we receive the same as they (the prophets and apostles) were carried along by the Holy Spirit. I think most churches will recognize persons who may never preach in a pulpit but will teach because they are gifted to be teachers in a seminar or a Sunday school or other Christian education arm of the the church. But some traditions hold the office of “pastor” as “teaching elder” so, sometimes people fill two offices. An evangelist is not hard to envision and I know some denominations (primarily Baptist context) where an evangelist is someone who is not a pastor, but does preach the gospel, hence, an evangelist. In my experience, apart from Apostle and Prophet, I think most churches see their pastor as shepherd, but also evangelist, and as teacher. In some churches, those three roles are more clearly delineated. It’s not complicated at all.
Christ said baptize not in water but in the name of Father and son and holy spirit. Apostle Paul stopped baptizing in water as deeper revelation came to him. He understood that the meaning of baptism which is to immerse believers in all TRUTH about the Father about the Son and about the Holy Spirit through the word like newborns desiring pure milk of God's word. 1pet...
Hey Exia, from the looks of your other comments on CZcams, you're obviously an extreme anti Calvinist. If you think we will all be "saved in hell" as you've stated before on a John Macarthur video, then I have an idea for you, go away and stop wasting your time commenting on a REFORMED Christian account. Those who truly understand the doctrines of grace are not convinced by your nonsense. 👍
The first guy with glasses on the panel is incorrect with what u Baptist believe about Baptism. I have never seen a true baptist get baptized and baptized and baptized again.
So disappointed that from question one, the gentlemen got it wrong. The time of the end which was soon, shortly, at the door, quickly, did not begin at Pentecost and stretch 2,000 years. Jesus returned in His generation as predicted. No wonder these fellows have such a defeated point of view. What would our world be like if we were ruling with Christ right now!
Contrary to Derek Thomas, God does not desire to save children who are foreordained to reprobation. Derek Thomas is espousing an Arminian view of reprobation.
@@HearGodsWord Oh, yes. God never desires to save anyone who is eternally decreed to reprobation. Derek Thomas believes in outright contradictions. Romans 9:11-13 (NKJV): 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” Romans 9:22 (NKJV): What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
@Hear God's Word The contradiction is when Thomas said that the number of the elect and the number of the reprobates cannot be increased or decreased and then immediately after that he said that God changes when He enters space and time and now God suddenly desires to save the reprobate knowing that He has already decreed their destruction prior to their doing good or evil. If God has predestined everything it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO DESIRE SOMETHING THAT HE HAS NOT ETERNALLY DECREED. God has only ONE eternal, immutable, and decretal will. The moral law of God is PRECEPTIVE AND PRESCRIPTIVE and not necessarily how things will go in providence.
@@HearGodsWord My comment above clearly expressed the "apparent" contradiction. A desire is a volition. God never desires anything other than what He wills. His predestination of everything is immutable. There are no possibilities in God's eternal mind. He knows the exact future because He has predetermined all of it.
No man can see Gods face and live does not mean in Christ we can see God face to face because we are now Gods children but what we will be has not yet appeared or been revealed but when we see Him ( Him referring to Jesus In His glorified body) we will be like Him for we will see Him as He truly is. When we see Christ we will be transformed into our own glorified body because our sinful nature can not see God in all His fullness and live
Thank you for this, past Mormon, I am on my way to get baptized!!, This was a great subject, and it is so well needed, so many cults out there where people have been deceived and need direction, God Bless You all.
I’m so glad you’ve become a Christian after Mormonism ❤️ I always see so many Mormons who’ve left to become atheists, or who never leave.
I was never a Mormon myself but I have a big heart for the Mormon and jehovas church members who are being deceived
20:04 Praise God for all these Gentle men in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Praise God for Steve Lawson - “I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you. Praise be to you, LORD; teach me your decrees.” Psalm 119:11-12
Love these men ! Thank you.
I love these Q&As. I learn so much from you super guys and am so amused how you guys work out your differences. Even the banter is enlightening. How blessed we are to have you saints in our midst. God bless you all
Reeves has it correct Biblically in regards to Baptism. I had a friend who was raised Roman Catholic was at18 born again and was Baptized the first time again which was a great testimony to her family who cried with a fuller understanding of the Gospel
Amen
When Calvin was asked if it was necessary to be rebaptised. He asked 3 questions: was water used? was the intent to baptise? Was it done in the name of the Father, Son. Holly Spirit? If you answer "no" you need to be baptised, not rebaptised.
For Christians to not baptise their children is to declare them outside the covenant. Just as it was a for a jew not to circumcise their son.
Baptist start in the wrong place in the New Testment they need to start with 1 Corinthians 10: and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
What is one piece of advice to a lead pastor to reaching the next generation? Steven Lawson nailed it. Preach the Word of God... and I would add, with confidence and unashamedly. I'm early in my walk and the Lord led me to a Gospel preaching and teaching Church which is small, strong and growing. A few other things I appreciate from our Church is that we go through entire books. When I first started attending, we were half way through Hebrews. Our Pastor wrapped up that book in 40 weeks. Then we covered Habakkuk, line by line. Now, in my second year attending my Church, we're in the Book of John, Chapter 19. In addition to the expository approach, which I love, we also open and close with worship in hymns and songs that are biblically sound, with singers and musicians who know and understand that our goal in our roles is not to put on a show to entertain, but to help our fellowship glorify our Lord. I'm in the Worship group and it is so glorious to look upon our fellowship, energized and enthusiastically glorifying the Lord right along with us. And last but not least, we're strong on prayer to our Lord and one another.
....You are Blessed, Praise God...📖✝️🌷
I love the teachings of all these wonderful men of God
Excellent. Thank You, Sirs. Well Done.
What an era to hear a panel of Presbyterians talk about how they would rebaptize someone coming out of Catholicism. I see the divide between Presbyterians, Baptists, and non-denominationalists slowing disintegrating. I'm so grateful for these guys.
“Preach the Bible” -Lawson
*mic drop*
Thank you brothers for your wisdom
Thank you that was a great and informative panel.
Jones was amazing the entire conference.
This was great!! Thank You for Posting!!!!!
Lawson is correct on baptism
Oh you’re the very precious gifts from generously God for Gus tough time to reveal the beauty of God that expressed through Christ !!
Be blessed more and more to be a blessings to your remaining lives
I LIKE MANY BORN-AGAIN, CHRISTIANS,
WANTED TO BE BAPTIZED COMPLETE IMMERSION, DOWN INTO THE WAYERS, COMPLETE, IMMERSION, DOWN UNDER, AND UP INTO NEW-LIFE IN JESUS THE LORD.
SPRINKLE'N DOESN'T REPRESENT SUCH AN EXAMPLE,...
DOWN INTO WATER,
INTO DARKNESS,
THEN UP INTO NEW-LIFE !!!
I am one of those Plymouth Brethren folks you were talking about. We got it right! 😉
Aren't the Plymouth Brethren Arminians?
@@ThomasCranmer1959 , there is a great divide. Those that are "open brethren" are often, but not exclusively, Arminian. Those of us along the line that some call "exclusive" are not. Here is an excerpt from something that John Darby wrote which shows clearly where he stood on the issue. It is Victorian English so bear with it when you read. "This fresh breaking out of the doctrine of free-will helps on the doctrine of the natural man's pretension not to be entirely lost, for that is really what it amounts to. All men who have never been deeply convinced of sin, all persons with whom this conviction is based upon gross and outward sins, believe more or less in free-will. You know that it is the dogma of the Wesleyans, of all reasoners, of all philosophers. But this idea completely changes all the idea of Christianity and entirely perverts it." I stand with Mr. Darby. 😊
@@Saratogan Which Brethren group merged with the United Methodists? I'm thinking it isn't the Plymouth Brethren?
@@ThomasCranmer1959, certainly not. If you google Plymouth Brethren you will find our history both the good and bad. There is no church merging. Christians do join us from other denominations but only person by person. There is no hierarchy to join. There is nothing above the local assembly body except the Lord Himself Who is Head over all blessed forever.
@@Saratogan OK. Thanks for the clarification.
Is baptism actually necessary? The thief on the cross wasn’t baptized but Christ told him “You will be with me in paradise.
Galatians 3:13-14 NKJV
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"), [14] that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hodge was opposed by Thornwell. Thornwell rightly opposed Roman Catholic baptism and wrote a lengthy book against its sacerdotal basis, including the fact that papists mix holy oil with the consecrated water. Hodge was obviously wrong. 26:58 minute mark.
It will be helpful to have the name when the speaker speaks.
Church should be all about Christ.
In what sense does baptism in water bring anything to fruition?
Does baptism in water add anything at all to salvation?
God would that all man be saved, But that having been said, God does not sit around "desiring to be the God of my children" . He either is or is not their father. He either has or has not elected them. God is not bound to a covenant with my children simply because he has saved me.
Truth 4:46
Baptism of true believers is so clear in the Bible! Why are there differing views?
Hi, I have heard from a Presbyterian friend that the reason we don’t see infant baptism is because it is the first generation. For example if missionaries went to an unreached place the first generation both Presbyterians and Baptists would look the same it wouldn’t be until children were born from the believers you see a difference.
But I would agree with you, that baptism is not for infants but for professing believers. My belief for that rests on the new covenant, I do not believe the new covenant is a covenant of the flesh like the old ones were where the covenant is made with everyone in the church I believe the new covenant is a covenant of the spirit a greater covenant where the covenant is made only with those who have been born again which faith is the sign of. (Jer 31:31-34, Ezek 36:26-27)
....I too only believe in a Believers Baptism. But, that said, l've been searching for a great Reformed Church. The best l've found is an OPC... Orthodox Presbyterian Church...and Reformers are mixed on Baby Baptism. This church believes in Covenant Theology. They believe babies are brought into the Covenant by Baptism...but saved by the New Birth. The Pastor told me they go off of Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your household shall be saved." I am still confused by it. This weekend starts 3 classes after church for 3 weeks, explaining everything...and also preparatory if you are interested in joining the church. I am open to understanding because it's wonderful to finally find a church that doesn't hate the Reformed doctrines of Grace. Plus Creeds and Confessions...Canons of Dort and they sing Hymns and Psalms, not secular worldly music. They are there to worship God, not entertain. Them baptizing babies is not a deal breaker because it's not for Salvation. Hope this helps....📖🌷
Know the difference between the tradition of men and Sola Scripture. Show me a single verse in scripture where one man can elevate and proclaim another man is how a “pastor”. Some people shout Titus 1:5, Titus 1:5. But please read the verse. God instructed Titus to appoint elders in Crete. Nowhere in the verse are there instructions to the newly appointed elders in a local congregation to continue appointing others in their congregation. Let us not add to God’s Word. Stay with Sola Scripture and reject the traditions of men.
My pastor is a teaching elder in the PCA
@@1Whipperin How do you understand the word “shepherd”? Especially in the way that Peter uses it in 1st Peter 5:1-4
@@1Whipperin I’m glad you recognize the connection between the word shepherd and the word pastor. If you can see that much, why don’t you recognize the gifts in Ephesians 4 as offices within the Body of Christ? And if you’re honestly asking where the title of pastor comes from, I’d say Ephesians 4. But it’s also the simple fact that the language that early church fathers spoke and wrote in has an impact historically. The word “pastor” has a strong root in Latin, not necessarily “Rome”.
@@MrAntiOrdinary Thank you for your question. Regarding 1 Pet. 5 :1-4 the word shepherd is used once in v4 and it is referring to Christ. He is our only shepherd, not men. Regarding your second question, please watch the teaching series I recommended. It talks about church history and explains where and when titles such as reverend originated, starting as soon as the second century.
Lastly you mentioned Matthew 23:8-12, these are verses people us to prove the false church system we have today.
Regards,
@@1Whipperin Respectfully, that’s a strange question from where I sit. I believe that the Apostles and Prophets have already preceded us, that is, we meet them in the Scriptures and generally, it is through them that we receive the same as they (the prophets and apostles) were carried along by the Holy Spirit. I think most churches will recognize persons who may never preach in a pulpit but will teach because they are gifted to be teachers in a seminar or a Sunday school or other Christian education arm of the the church. But some traditions hold the office of “pastor” as “teaching elder” so, sometimes people fill two offices. An evangelist is not hard to envision and I know some denominations (primarily Baptist context) where an evangelist is someone who is not a pastor, but does preach the gospel, hence, an evangelist. In my experience, apart from Apostle and Prophet, I think most churches see their pastor as shepherd, but also evangelist, and as teacher. In some churches, those three roles are more clearly delineated. It’s not complicated at all.
Christ said baptize not in water but in the name of Father and son and holy spirit. Apostle Paul stopped baptizing in water as deeper revelation came to him. He understood that the meaning of baptism which is to immerse believers in all TRUTH about the Father about the Son and about the Holy Spirit through the word like newborns desiring pure milk of God's word. 1pet...
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Hey Exia, from the looks of your other comments on CZcams, you're obviously an extreme anti Calvinist. If you think we will all be "saved in hell" as you've stated before on a John Macarthur video, then I have an idea for you, go away and stop wasting your time commenting on a REFORMED Christian account. Those who truly understand the doctrines of grace are not convinced by your nonsense. 👍
The first guy with glasses on the panel is incorrect with what u Baptist believe about Baptism. I have never seen a true baptist get baptized and baptized and baptized again.
So disappointed that from question one, the gentlemen got it wrong. The time of the end which was soon, shortly, at the door, quickly, did not begin at Pentecost and stretch 2,000 years. Jesus returned in His generation as predicted. No wonder these fellows have such a defeated point of view. What would our world be like if we were ruling with Christ right now!
Contrary to Derek Thomas, God does not desire to save children who are foreordained to reprobation. Derek Thomas is espousing an Arminian view of reprobation.
Nothing he said was counter to Reformed theology
@@HearGodsWord Oh, yes. God never desires to save anyone who is eternally decreed to reprobation. Derek Thomas believes in outright contradictions.
Romans 9:11-13 (NKJV): 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Romans 9:22 (NKJV): What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
@Charlie J. Ray when you find a contradiction then show it.
@Hear God's Word The contradiction is when Thomas said that the number of the elect and the number of the reprobates cannot be increased or decreased and then immediately after that he said that God changes when He enters space and time and now God suddenly desires to save the reprobate knowing that He has already decreed their destruction prior to their doing good or evil.
If God has predestined everything it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO DESIRE SOMETHING THAT HE HAS NOT ETERNALLY DECREED. God has only ONE eternal, immutable, and decretal will. The moral law of God is PRECEPTIVE AND PRESCRIPTIVE and not necessarily how things will go in providence.
@@HearGodsWord My comment above clearly expressed the "apparent" contradiction. A desire is a volition. God never desires anything other than what He wills. His predestination of everything is immutable. There are no possibilities in God's eternal mind. He knows the exact future because He has predetermined all of it.
The Marx Brothers of theology meet The Three Stooges of Theology, no Truth here just mumbo jumbo rhetoric.
We cannot see Christ in His current form ever since His ascension when we do we will be like Him 1 John 3:2 Changed in the twinkling of an eye.
No man can see Gods face and live does not mean in Christ we can see God face to face because we are now Gods children but what we will be has not yet appeared or been revealed but when we see Him ( Him referring to Jesus In His glorified body) we will be like Him for we will see Him as He truly is. When we see Christ we will be transformed into our own glorified body because our sinful nature can not see God in all His fullness and live