Cho'Gath doesn't even exist... GIVE HIM A VGU || Casual Champion Review
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Cho'Gath is like that old dog you love so much but really i wonder how its still alive
That’s Shaco for me, expect he is a dog that bites and you are low-key waiting for him to die
Lmao, that is very well said, love it
Feel like that fits KogMaw a little more but yeah it still works.
@@khailils446 shaco needs to be put down
@@khailils446shaco is the 20 year old chihuahua that knaws at your leg but comes and cuddles with you
I think Cho’gath should be found in Bilgewater, so that eating the giant sea monsters there explains his size. Plus emerging from the sea would be reminiscent of Godzilla
Instead of that why don't we tie in his deep sea skin with bilgewater. that way we have both the original void cho gath and a dilgewater skin.
@@Deltastorm384canon skins are always nice
@@Deltastorm384 maybe. But some aquatic aspects now being part of his design would help tie the void to the lovecraftian aspect of unknowable horror. Plus I’m still imagining a primarily scaled Cho
I was thinking something like “he was the monster that consumed icathia” or something like that, simple and dangerous with a load of free baggage from years of lore
@@Deltastorm384 Okay but how about no, and instead Loch Ness Cho'gath becomes Giant Enemy Cho'gath and is a Kaiju. Crabgot is the only skin in that line and Cho is literally the perfect champ
i hope he gets a rework like fiddlesticks, make him more modern but dont change him so much, i think with just some more fluid animations he would feel amazing to play.
As if fiddlesticks isnt a completely different champion lmao
@@piginasuit6323he really isnt tho. They made him from a lightweight joke Character into one of the most menacing characters that wouldnt be out of place in say "dead by daylight" but somehow kept all of the character tropes except for the bouncing crow
@@piginasuit6323 i was thinking more about gameplay, do not change his abilities to much, just make them less clunky to play, forgot to mention that lol
@@piginasuit6323 What do you mean by that though. 3 of his abilities have kept their identity more or less. Its only his E that had the most significant changes
@@piginasuit6323fiddle is basically the same, just modernized. Q is still point and click and can fear, W is still a channeled drain, and ult is literally the same with the added bonus of sometimes fearing. His e is the ONLY major change and his passive (but his old passive barely existed, lets be honest).
Cho'gath getting mostly just updated bit mot completely altered? Yes please.
I love the IMMEDIATE cuts into death screen, when Nicky notices a gank. The one there with Pyke (4:42) was perfect cut, hilarious 😂
In regards to big champions in MOBAs, you can make it work, and Heroes of the Storm did that 3 times. There's Ragnaros who can take over a fort and have a new set of abilities, Alexstrasza who can turn into a big dragon temporarily and Deathwing, who is just a big dragon the entire time. Sure, they are still not as big as in their lore, but it still makes you feel like a huge, powerful monster on the battlefield. To be fair, it might be weirder for League to do something like that since there's actually quite a lot of champions who are huge in lore, so making just one or two of them bigger would feel out of place, but I would still love to see them implement a true growing mechanic with Cho'gath (but yeah, it's never gonna happen).
fuckin love playing dw in hots, big fuck off dragon, love just casually walking away as they throw a million cc at me and don't even get me half
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Death Wing is fun to play as and against, especially when I'm playing Quira. Pure dopamine bleeding the big boi.
@@CoolColton947 i assume you mean Qhira? But yea that bleed is a doozy, but personally I’m more scared of like, people with poison damage or whatever u call it, Nazeebo for example with the frogs. They do a lotta damage.
He needs a VGU on the scale of Fiddlesticks. Chogath has a solid concept so I would hope that whatever VGU he is destined to get doesn't change him too much.
tbh with the add of bel'veth i was happy to have a voiceline mentionning him.
After that i've heard a theory about the meaning of the number of letter with void champ.
More you get, more the creature is consider powerful with bel'veth being one of the 4 commander (or something like that) (and both cho and bel have 7 letters, could talk properly and is a treat that could dominate the world)
But yeah this might not be true and im sad because i love my big boi.
I’d feel an ASU would be better for Cho. His kit is fine but making just look better overall will definitely be nice to have
sadly thats the expensive and slow part. Think about how many skins they need to do for him.
@@exoticbreadstick8661 yea I know
a few days ago, i've seen a post on r/leagueoflegends that gave me an idea of a concept for a cho'gath rework.
basically it was a post about demons in league, particularly primal demons. the poster talked about the known demons and theorized about the other possible primal demons. one of which would be the demon of hunger.
Hunger is a feeling that everything living feel, and like fear it's one of the basest feeling anything feel. like the poster say : it's hunger that drives the predator to hunt and it's fear that drives the prey to run away. A demon of hunger would be very strong, maybe on par with fiddlestick, but where would it be? what would it be doing? Turns out there is one place in all of runeterra that is deeply linked to hunger, the void!
so what if there was a demon of hunger and it went to icathia because of the hunger it felt coming from the void? It then found a small voidling cho'gath and bound itself on it. that would explain how cho can grow at such disproportionate size, because he got a god-parasite inside of him eating him from within and driving him to eat more and more. it would be interesting to see a design revolving arround voidling + demon asthetic, add in character traits linked to hunger and im sold. moments like this makes me wish i could draw.
One thing that I like about Cho'gath is how well he embodies his power fantasy of being a giant monster that walks toward his prey and eats them. He's not fast so he slows down his target instead, and his roar means that they can't do anything but run. It's a simple design but it works.
Cho might look like a weird Violator lobster thing straight out of a PS1 game, and have no lore at all, but he's one of my favorites in the entire game: grows bigger and stronger, has a lot of builds, and it's a freaking kaiju from another dimension!
About his VGU, yeah, he's been high on the list for a long time, and they've talked about evolving with stacks, but at this point and speed I think his chances are super low. My hopium for a modern Cho VGU using Medaforcer's design and keeping a good part of his gameplay (like Fiddles or WW) will always live though 😢
If Riot calmed down on skins instead of making over 182 in a year maybe make 120 skins (10 skins a month) maybe their is a chance we can have 1 or 2 vgu's a year. I mean their are at least 7 different characters that need a vgu. I think if riot can manage their content a little the cho gath vgu can happen. Or at least do as many asu's as they can. I am hoping that maybe after they release the Painter and the vampire we can replace the champion releases with vgu's.
If they slowed down on skins and put their focus elsewhere, they could massively improve the game and launcher, and maybe get rid of some of the spaghetti code. But they won't do so, since skins bring them money. VGUs sadly don't.
I wonder if they’ll ever try monetise VGUs. You can use either old or new model but only if you pay to buy the new model as if it’s a new champion and that new version has skins to buy, that you have to pay for again if you want the updated version and future skins. It’s not nice but it is a way to monetise and hence prioritise it
Skin team and the amount of skins produced has nothing to do with VGU speed. Most skins are outsourced already so the impact on other things is minimal. It's also why during covid, when production slowed down, Skin production stayed the same.
@@myonionatemydog3916 if you have a good grasp of the business could I ask if the model could be outsourced too? Because the complaints about VGUs, are mostly about champions having too many skins.
Cho'gath is a raid boss and thus should be a raid boss in terms of gameplay when updated. Maybe take inspiration from HotS and let all of his basic abilities have a charge for enhanced effects, and a passive that helps him shrug off hard CC (like riot said they liked in the past). Hes a huge, unstoppable monster whos sluggish movements forces the Cho to predict foes and forces foes to predict him.
Man superslime always make the best memey fanarts
ayyo thanks I try my best to make low quality occassionally-memey fanarts
Cho is near and dear to my heart too, also my first champ all the way in S2 - those were the days
Your cho' gath vid is the video that got me into your content! Also, cho was the first character I unlocked in league. He has a special place in my heart, and I really hope he gets the rework he deserves
Playing cho'gath with his default skin after seeing and using broken covenant for a While, it's weird
But cho'gath is very fun to play imo, and I'm really hoping he gets a VGU or even a ASU
Also didn't belveth had a interaction with cho'gath?
@@Shabowdiadlo no it was an idea that floated around but didn't happen.
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I love Cho (I love monsters in general too). He was my first purchased champion and if he will eventually receive a VGU I gonna be in seventh heaven... but the Watchers only know when that will happen :^ (
I imagine sho being the futur ennemy of Aurelion, eating his stars away in space.
Making darkness in place where light was.
Wow people worked damn hard on those fan art.
I see you @Ratt
I just like cho,in game. I just feels like he can be a lot more scary,in dire need of a vgu,like corki and shyvanna
I think if Cho'Gath was similar to what nergigante is. In the sense of them being the balancing system could be interesting. So he'd keep the om nom nom world thing but he'd also be an unexpected enemy of the void. (Possibly leading to bel'veth making a deal with kai'sa and kassadin to seal Cho'gath away because he's kinda a big void oopsie that's somehow immune to bel'veth's void mind control.
Cho'gath longs to consume the world. But also to put a cap on the void, keeping it in check. Like an eco system balancer. It adds a level of grey area to a void champ rather than them being distinct good and evil while retaining most of his features and what little personality he has in game.
Perhaps growing in size is cho'gath's method of dealing with the void's rapid evolution but also adapting to what god level things are in runeterra. Cho is like "Gotta balance the scales" then finds out there are multiple gods in the freljord he gotta match that somehow.
That's my own take on what I would personally do with cho'gath
I cant wait for the corki video, I was a modekaiser OTP since s4 til rework and corki was my #2. once morde got reworked i became a full corki otp. I love to see people play him since he never gets much attention.
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I believe a nice rework idea for cho is to make his ult able to eat anything. Depending on what you eat you get an amount of stacks.
If you are behind you can focus on eating minions and slowly get stacks.
You can eat turrets similar to ziggs w and become way larger for some time like belveths ult.
This got me thinking on ways to make his size change a bit less of a problem late game. Maybe the more stacks he has the more tenacity he gains? Up to a cap of course, but I think that would be thematic in that it’s harder to stop a beast that size. Just a fun idea to throw into the internet. :)
The reason I also started playing league this year was because of Broken Covenant Cho'gath. And that's the only reason. I play literally no other champion (except when they pick cho'gath)
What if Cho'Gath was originally one of the creatures that came to be relatively early in creation alongside Aurelion Sol and, over time, became corrupted by the Void? His function could serve as a counterpart to Aurelion Sol's creation as a kinda intergalactic roomba, cleaning up the dead matter left floating in the cosmos
What if chogath is the void magnum opus? Like he is the first creation of the void but he is right now sleeping waiting for the void to consume all or IS the void itself which makes an interesting counterpart to belveth. Like belveth is trying to be life while chogath wants to devour it
@@tapgames3465 the watchers superweapon. Velkoz was a scout, kogmaw khazix and reksai are basically animals. But cho is a smart and extremely deadly weapon from the void.
@@exoticbreadstick8661 I like the idea of Cho'Gath as a "final form" type character for the Void.
-make it directly linked to the data collected by Vel'Koz(s?)
-add the evolutionary element from Kha'Xix, but simplified into an absorption of matter/biomass
-build off of Rek'Sai's matriarchal role in her horde to create a patriarch and leader
-Kog'Maw is a bit more tricky to incorporate. He could be seen as a botched attempt to create a focused weapon, a failure of intent? Hence, Cho is made with more direction, more diligently
*Unfortunately, this kind of character direction has historically been difficult to write for as a living thing instead of an object. At best, this could allow for a reflection of the Watchers' thoughts and beliefs through Cho'Gath, but it's not a great individual-minded approach like most of the other champions
It'll also be important, with this approach, to not overly belittle the meaning, strength, and character fantasies of the other void creature champions since it kinda sucks when you're told "yeah these guys are just chumps next to this guy, he's the coolest most strongest guy among them!"
To circumvent this, Cho's growing gimmick could come into play to balance out the amount of different powers he accumulates with the enormous effort and time required to get there
As a Cho’Gath one trick with almost a million points I have to sadly agree with the vgu argument, I think it’s eventually gonna happen but it sadly won’t in the foreseeable future. Will always love my big Cho boi
I think that if nothing else, when/ if he comes to Legends of Runeterra, that will be a cool look to him. They did a great job with Nidalee so I’m interested to see if they come up with a new design
Chogath should be the nemesis for Nilah. She's all about conquering big monsters for glory. and Chogath should be her ultimate trophy. From the sea style Kaiju in Bilgewater and boom Nilah shows up to screw up his day.
Genius
And then cho'gath eats Water Samira, and she just... dies. Like Gangplank, but she doesn't come back.
Cho'gath can have her happiness demon, and we can have a voidborn experiencing true emotions!
Tah-dah, an interesting narrative!
"And the ability to gain size" Thats when he knew he is into Inflation, Size Diff and Body growth
To me a Cho'Gath VGU/Rework would look like Dehaka, but from the void and of course with elements of a kaiju (even thought Dehakas lore is more or less like Kha'Zix lore, eat to survive and evolve). In the coop missions you can play as Dehaka and he also has a mechanic that collects essence and grows bigger, so big in fact that he becomes a one man army in an RTS and has godzilla music when he reaches thay size.
That is how I'd imagine a Cho'Gath VGU if they don't want to change his lore too much.
“Uh oh” *death screen*
Cho’Gath on rework or VGU should release with an Ultimate skin. He’s the perfect champion for it because you could make it so that at a certain threshold of ultimate stacks, he can change forms. Not just a bigger version of himself.
Where do you submit the fanart. I meant to do one for this video!
My boi needs it ❤
Cho'Gath was the first champion that i liked using and would regularly pick back when i started during s4. Just sad that he's so behind polygon count wise
Cho was my OG main, my friends told me he was a good Teemo counter with his E, and to max Q and E at the same time, go Rod first and that was it
Cho also had a minigame called Cho eats the world =)
Corki exists in universe. He was in one of the legends of runeterra cinematic shorts.
Honestly, he doesn’t need a FULL rework. He just need a VSU he plays just fine
I love the cut from 4:26 to 4:28
Vi goes from around half health to dead
I really wmhope one day he have a rework, and the only skill i will chaing for something more interactive maybe with is E, but overall stay most the same, just a visual upgrade
Cho'gath is literally just a Carnifex from Warhammer 40K with an evil "rah rah big monster" voice.
They'll eventually do him, but I doubt we'll see it next year or the year after.
i would want a fusion of kayn's hybrid shit an kha'zix evolution so that when cho'gath gained stacks by eating stuff he can transform all his abilities 1 by 1 to either a cc (for tank) or a dmg (with AP scaling) focus so he can we the adapting monster that he is
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Hey Nicky, if you wanna start doing the casual reviews in the 2v2v2v2 mode i don't think anyone would complain.
My first main (before Lewis the gator) and he has been almost the same for 13 years now. Please Riot just give him the tiniest bit of love 😢
iirc Cho’Gath’s foot appears at the end of one of the TFT promotional videos from a couple months ago. I think it’s one where Sion is in the thumbnail? I’ll try to find it.
Edit: the video is called “My Honeyfruit | Runeterra Reforged Launch Cinematic - Teamfight Tactics” and Cho’Gath’s feet show up at 1:35. His first appearance in years, and it’s just his feet 💀
Thoughts on the Cho'Gath redesign by Subjectively?
We needed more Warhammer references
I thinl cho gath should stay as a random void character in terms of lore, some kind of side boss you'd fight, however in terms of gameplay he's geniuenly getting outdated
i expect this to be very good and casual.
I love that when you edit the sentences vi dies
As a cho gath player, there would be nothing more disssapointing then for them to turn him into some generic monster like rek'sai. Whatever they do, I just pray they at least maintain some personality.
I miss playing my Omnistone Cho'gath.
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSS YOUR SOULS WILL FEED THE VOOOOOOIIIIDDDDDDDDDD
So, Cho'gath is responsible for the birth of Nickiboi.
Thanks Cho'dad
Cho'gath!!! My boi!!!
i mean if they put chogath in the next votes for VGU ppl ll vote for him
if skarner can get it (after 2 years) so also can cho
Cho needs some love
Chogath feels stuck between a warden and a juggernaut his his two really good CC moves and then a random ass garen ult which is best used to take objectives or in 1v1s
It's already Friday?
I feel like lore wise they can make Cho like the former empror of the Void. who was overtaken by Belveth and in deranged last resrot began a never ending feeding frenzy to surpass her power. of course, he long forgot his source of hatered reflected it on the universe, vowing that he alone will hold the universe, one bite at a time. so none could claim his kingdom.
I like to think chogath was what the ascended, malphite, and icathians fought against and he ended up eating so many people and became horrified by everything so he escaped back into the void wheres hes just eating constantly so he doesnt have to worry about being overpowered ever again which is why he doesnt have any lore because hes juts that old and also why one of his eternals is called quiet because he still hears everything that happened
I would make him a corrupt apesct or the first voidborn like the targons tell story's about him like he a myth like godzilla
Here's the thing, a VGU could still be in the works because as you said, three forms per skins and ten skins is a lot, especially if done right. And with the new hire and his contributions, it could still take a year or two for it to even be announced. Look at Skarner, he is still technically getting a rework, but it has been ages since it was announced. That doesn't mean it not coming, its just taking its time.
4:42 - oh oh
Would be cool if they made Cho just the void's runaway kaiju. Straight up too stupid to be controlled by the Watcher's or Bel'Veth, just consume and evolve, whether that's buildings, humans or voidborn. He could be the key to fighting back against the void is utilised by Kai'Sa or Malphite etc.
When i see a fed Cho´Gath i think the exact thing she said.
my man chom'garth
Riot baiting us so many times with the VGU was the worst part for me ;( someday it'll happen, I won't lose hope ;--;
Also the video cuts were hilarious lol
So.... Since Cho Gath is pretty shitty and I am bored and kinda interested in game design I am going to plan a rework for him:
-Passive. Endless hunger: Cho Gath gains "fed" stacks by defeating enemies (the stronger the enemy, the most stats he gets, as usual with most stacks). Whenever he gains stacks he regains a percentage of his maximum health and mana.
This stacks also increase his maximum health, size and the hitbox of his abilities (as they grow in size similar to Aurelion sol's E).
Additionally, whenever Cho Gath takes damage based on his maximum or current health, reduce it by 15/30/45/60% at levels 1/6/12/18.
-Q. Tendril rupture: Cho Gath roots to the ground launching tendrils underground to a position, when they reach the target, they erupt from the ground dealing magic damage, slowing and generating fed stacks if they are champions. Short after that Cho Gath pulls out the tendrils from the ground back to him dealing magic damage to any enemies still on the area and knocking them up. The tendrils also lash out when going back to Cho Gath applying the knock up and damage effects to any enemies on the path.
-W. Colossal scream: Passive: Cho Gath gains 5/10/15/20/25% tenacity
Active: Cho Gath starts channeling a scream (similar to Warwick), activate this again to release it around him, the longer it is prepared the greater the effect.
0.5sec: Small magic damage, weak slow
1sec: Small push back to the enemies, increased damage and slow
2sec: Silences for a short duration, bigger push back, increased damage and slow
3.sec: Fears enemies instead of silencing, even bigger push back, maximum damage and slow
*Note that even if this area gets bigger the more stacks Cho Gath gets, the current area of effect would be clearly visible through the animation so you can properly dodge it instead of guessing ranges*
-E.Devouring chitin: Passive: Cho Gath's chitin is a living being in itself and it is as hungry as he. Cho Gath passively generates stacks of "Devouring tendrils" (the rate and maximum stacks of this is dependant of the stacks of fed and the level of the ability). When Cho Gath attacks or is attacked, up to 2/4/6/8/10 tendrils will seek victims nearby (prioritizing targets recently hit by Cho Gath), consuming stacks of Devouring tendrils dealing a small amount of percentage max health magic damage to the target and healing Cho Gath a portion of the damage dealt. If the target is a champion it will increase the amount healed and will generate fed stacks. This ability has an internal CD of around 0.5 sec.
-R. Feast: Cho Gath, stands in place for a short while, charging a massive chomp, after which he will do massive true damage to all enemies in a "small" area in front of him. Any enemies killed this way give twice as many fed stacks.
It would be cool if Cho’Gath was like Tiny from DOTA 2, where he starts the game as this cute little creature, but grows as he levels up, until by the end of game he’s a massive monster
Nicky where's the Cho'Gath VGU, you promised
i remember back in the day cho' R lvl 6 take like 90-120s cd when you use on a champion(it reduce 50% if use on minion/monster).
so early game use it on a champion is quite not optimal for his gameplay.
if u play tank and got bodied by the leesin jungle. even only 1-2 death is fall of the fucking cliff because you lose alot of heath each death. cap 6 lose 50% each death.
It's been 14 years since Cho'gath's release and he still looks almost exactly like a Violator from Spawn comics.
With how shitty Blizzard was in recent years, I wouldn't be surprised if they made an attempt to sue Riot because of how much Cho looks like a Zerg. At least it would be somewhat funny and could make Riot prioritize Cho'gath as a VGU/ASU
@@mikonyx7712 It could be the case. But than again as Nicky said too much work required for remaking every single one of his skin to the point that Riot could only slightly tackle just few things in his design rather than a full scale rework. Despite that i am still being optimistic about one day finaly getting his rework.
I am pretty sure that his name is an homage to H.P.Lovecraft's creature, the Shoggoth.
This would explain the Cthulhu cho gath skin
23 champions before Nickyboi plays Ivern
Remember when we thought Jak'Sho's was a build up to Cho'gath rework, Sho'Jak, Cho Gath
4:40 is the best moment
Updating his lore is so tragically easy- just lean into his age and simplicity. Turn him into one of the primordial void-born, and one of the most powerful beneath the watchers. Bel'veth crosses the street to avoid him because while she might have intelligence on her side, he's just too strong for a head-on confrontation.
His kit is just too iconic to change, I reckon. It works as well as it needs to and he has a clear game plan.
I genuinely hope that riot doesn't lean into the Zerg nonsense people seem to associate with him. He's old, strong, just intelligent enough to be menacing and no other voidborn wants to be near him. Kha'zix might be an amazing hunter, but he doesn't want that smoke. Vel'koz just inherently knows better. Kog'maw is just a baby who cares. And as said, Bel is carrying an internal contradiction where she's happy to say that she's the strongest void creature ever but in the back of her mind she knows about the primal hunger that stalks the parts of the void even deeper than she wants to tread.
cant wait for my main to be covered on Friday 10 January 2025
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Is Chogath's concept of big cool playable monster in a game the same reason you like Skylanders too
i hope he becomes an ASU or even VGU character in the next 1-4 years
I am glad riot got to use the violater from spawn
I love big cho
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If Cho Gath ever gets a PROPER VGU we could be looking at a perfect champion. Like an updated Jurassic, Prehistoric or Loch Ness would be INSANE
I think cho gath should be a myth told by the tergons like pantheon and zoe or ali soul because it make him this end all be all character like he would be the destoryer of everything destiny to consume everything the ultimate zordborn but make it so he the endgame
Make him bayformers' Devastator from the Void, Riot. Simply big and stompy grinder.
Broken Covenant Cho'gath has the BEST splash art but in game is lacking polygons.
I said this earlier but I should have less skins and more vgu's again.
Believe it or not i thought Cho 'gath was the secret VGU riot was cooking before they announced that said secret vgu was Jax.
He's the only void monster without any subtantial lore (dare i say even Kog 'maw has more lore than him) and the only champion that acknowledges him in modern days is Bel 'veth. Riot pls give him some love, at least use medaforcer's design cause that one is fkin badass.
Also they need to give more money to the vgu team, cause it's INSANE they're taking THIS long for poor Skarner, imagine how long it would be for cho 'gath or shyvana to get reworked...
Finally cho ro..........
Cho'gath and Shaco are brothers when it comes to lore neglect.
I thought Corki exists because he was in a cinematic?
i kinda wish they made his e cost 0 mana
they should also remove stacking health from his ult and move it to his passive - along with making him heal for base +% of max health on unit kills and this would be increased on stronger units
his w need faster cast time, I would also consider him generating shield for % of his max health for each enemy champion/epic monster hit.
his ult should still have the true dmg component but now it will always trigger passive(both health gain and heal) increased on hitting champion, increased on killing unit, increased on killing champion
That’s too much
Cho is probably never getting reworked, especially if Skarner is anything to go by. It's been almost two years and all we have on him is "AOE Ult." I think Riot just doesn't like working on monster champions.
Lux players when their 60th skin isn’t up to their standards: “Absolutely disappointing Riot you clearly put zero effort into this one.”
Cho players when he gets kinda referenced in a TFT background: “LETS GOOOOOOO-“