Why NO ONE Plays: Cho'Gath (League of Legends)
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- This episode of Why No One Plays features Cho'Gath! DA HYOOGE BOI
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#ChoGath #LoL #WhyNoOnePlays - Hry
I used to play Cho'Gath top and I didn't play him because he's an amazing niche pick or that I was a savant with him, but because getting HUGE is possibly one of the most gratifying things in this game, and honestly don't we all want to enjoy the simpler things in life?
Nothing like being as big as their Nexus or looking Baron eye to eye with 10+ stacks
@@LabrnMystic damn straight
@@LabrnMystic That’s why I used to play him till my PC broke, got a new one now tho
@@LabrnMystic you mean 20+
gotta love all ad teams too,i just love tanking a full team for like 10 sec,then realize i dont have a team and eat someone
Chogath's size caps at the width of the mouth of the baron cave. I demand the ability to become large enough to consume the rift.
Lore Master
there are seperate amount of stacks possible of size/health/range/damage its not all the same
@@nalorakk7924 so cho gath has a lore now?
@@SevenRedSuns420 i wish he did
Everyone is saying chogath is brain dead but idc he gives me joy
Same it's just nice being huge
Chonk
I just got my 10 th gemstone from this event so I finally bought dark star Cho😁
If cho gath is barin dead tryndamere and garen are vegetables
I just want his Q radius scales with his ult stacks, also make his Q animation slower with ult stacks. It's super weird that he is so big late game but his Q piercing area is so small.
Vars: Why play Cho'gath? He is huge!!!
Me who plays Cho'gath: YEEES
Maximum B I G
I play him cus i get to nomnomnomnom
agree
Its true
Nomnomnomnom voice line is the best voice line in league :D
Approach Velocity turns every ability into a speed boost.
Damn I totally forgot about that rune. I will try it out sooner or later.
Yep. It's a must for cho
well you just made me a Cho Gath support
@@emisolis4977 well chogath support is viable and can still carry with the new devient wardstone which +12% bonus health
@@luutuankiet9941 what mythic would you go? still frostfire or something like imperial mandate?
Thinking about it, Cho'gath plays more like a Juggernaut more than a pure tank. Maybe he needs a rework but not such a massive one, as his giant zoning and execute abilities can become pretty reliable with some tweaks.
yes. All cho'gath mains know he is more quasi juggernaut in the same vain that Dr. Mundo is. You run people down and keep them glued to you with your abilities (q catch, w keeps them helpless, e keeps them slowed)
@@Vasses935 I’m going to agree he isn’t like any of the other tanks and fits in a box along with dr mundo and maplhite.
@@jomsies Glue in this context is comparative to other juggernauts. Q>W>E is comparable to the likes of Mundo's chain Qs or even Darius' W-E. Cho is good at "gluing" combo champs like yasuo riven or zed. Obviously Cho falls short of catcher supports like naut, morgona or leona. But then again, they don't have the same kill potential as Cho.
Maybe just give him a dash? Everyone has a dash now anyways.
give him some form of (true) max HP % damage resistance, if its through items, runes, or small rework. like vars said, all new champions/reworks got some form of HP scaling damage. its retarded to be honest.
Riot probably: "So, we make his R a point and click dash execute?"
COUGH AKALI
Point and click aoe dash execute that resets and stuns.
@@VarsVerum Except Akali's is a skillshot, it feels more fair to play against than Cho'Gath looking at you and saying "your free trial of League of Legends has expired".
@@100organicfreshmemes5 at least he has to walk up to you lol. Camille has cho R built into her Q
@@VarsVerum Late response because I didn't get the notification until now somehow, but yeah, Camille Q is dumb.
Honestly, as long as Cho'gath can still become huge, he will always be my main and always have a special place in my heart
“Ok, little guy is big now.” New player facing cho gath
Them:"Who fed the Cho' Gath?!"
Me: *Been eating minions the whole game*
I remember the first time I saw Cho'Gat it was on my team, I played Malphite and was surprised by BIG boy being bigger than living mountain lad, plus seeing how them one-nommed-killed every champion he went against and carrying the Baron kill sold me. Since then he became one of my mains.
I dont main him,but,he is like my top 5 champs i play well with and being honest he is actually really fun,i think he is just underappreciated.
Yeah he can be quite enjoyable to play especially every time you nom nom on someone x3
@@VarsVerum and is fun when you get fed and watch 5 ppl hit on you for 30 seconds and then walk away like nothing happened heal with warmoge's and get back in the fight i have made some ppl quit like that is soul crushing watching using your ultimates on someone in 1v5 he escaping and be back to full
lol same. I try so hard to be a LeBlanc main, but sometimes I just have to accept my calling is with Cho and Annie
@@LandelRey Low ELO... I really felt that hahahahahaha :(
me with aurelion sol, NOBODY plays him but hes so overpowered and when you master him he can win 1v5s really easily
Can't wait for Kog'Maw and Cho'Gath to finally get reworked together in 2046
Same
Cho'gath is probably one of the most fair champions in the game. He is waaaay too fair. No one is ever like "Damn, there is nothing I couldve done about cho'gaths [insert anything about him here]". Especially since they changed Gargoyle's.
I love cho. Getting to his huge size is so satisfying and I’ve done things like just sit at a turret and take it down while the entire enemy team tries to throw everything they got at me, and I still take it down and just walk away. He’s the perfect “I’m so tanky I don’t give a fuck” champion.
I'm a Cho'Gath main and honestly I think that if his q and w cast time was just shortened and maybe if their area of effect was a bit larger, he would be main line tank/tanky mage champ.
Make his abilities get bigger as he gets stacks. Boom done.
@@reliusornez1448 I was thinking the same doesn’t his e already have that?
Edit: that would also make his scaling feel pretty crazy to be for real though I think that he would become kinda broken with that though. My guess would be if they do that his ap scaling would be nerfed since a lategame aoe ability that big, which has more cc and damage than an Orianna ult and a 3-4 second cooldown would basically mean the enemy team will die to perma cc and even if you dive him he will just eat you instantly.
@@tomwanders6022 yes, e is the only one that scales with his size.
I've been playing him since season one. Still love nomnoming people but I think your right. That q is very difficult to hit and you basically need to stand on someone's toes to have a good chance of hitting w.
He's an old champ and it shows. The pace of the game was very different in 2010. The skill of the player was very different than. Now even bronze and iron players know to watch out for a cast animation and kite and know where it's likely to land.
why do i love to play Cho'Gath? he's the embodiment on how i think the Void works: survive, evolve, overcome.
how do you enjoy kha'zix then? now i think cho (and kog) should have evolutive abilities too...
@@sacha9957 I love Kha thematically but im afraid im not too much into assassins but yeah, i wish more Voidlings had evolution in their kit.
I believe cho’gath is a warden in the sense that he’s just a big target that’s just...in the way. He’s similar to a pillar that blocks a path
Cho gath really really needs a rework, I just want his ult to be the same, his passive is the one that needs the rework the most, it’s way too underwhelming especially for a champ who can get 6000 permanent max hp easily, perhaps change it to a percentage of max hp and mana making him scale more or have the amount that he regens increase based upon how many stacks he has allowing the passive to at the very least stay relevant
Hmm, I think he's in an alright place for his role. Once you play him a lot you learn when to hold your Q. His best role is to basically sit on the friendly ADC and zone enemies off of them with the threat of silence->Q->Feast.
His passive is boring but it's actually kind of insane the amount of longterm sustain it gives, he'd be probably the worst laner in the game without it or some comparable sustain. (it's telling though that it was originally there to help him jungle)
As boring as his passive is, its what allows him to actually live and win lane to get to late game big health. You can basically out sustain anyone if you play a good cho and CS well early
Tbh he should keep rupture too, it's iconic
Cho is already and still op tho with ap and tank options
He does not need a rework, it will be aatrox all over again.
yes as a cho'gath main this video hurts me. his mobility is his biggest weakness, and ive been finding success with approach velocity, relentless hunter, and predator recently (not necessarily all of those in the same build), as well as spellbinder as an ap righteous glory. chilling smite with nimbus cloak is also effective, but it requires you to be in smite range which is kinda short. and it is true that ap cho'gath isnt a proper tank with only tons of hp and no resistances, but thats irrelevant as ap cho never tries to be a tank, he is more of a cc heavy mage thats not as easy to one shot. as for tank cho'gath, idk, i just play ap jungle cho'gath.
if riot reworks cho'gath, as a cho'gath main i demand that his high ap ratios stay, his execute stay, feast stacks stay in some form, and his potential build diversity stays (how all of his features in one champion make it really fun optimizing builds for him and theorycrafting new playstyles with him)
theres probably stuff i didnt mention here thats relevant, but im not gonna sit here and pour out every detail and thought and comment i have about cho'gath into this comment section
i could understand his 100% ap ratio which is on a 4 second cooldown being nerfed, but if it is not fundamentally the same, i will riot. i could accept lowering the ratio in exchange for lowering the delay. that would help him engage much better and help his mobility issues a bit. having his only ranged cc be so kite-able is his second biggest weakness id say
Wait. So when you say the video hurts you do you mean as in you feel offended? Or you relate to it in a painful way XD I don't see the part where you say my video is trash.
Predator works too
AP cho mod is really fun
Camille has his Ult on a 5 second cooldown and on top of that she has a screen long dash that stuns, 2 auto attack resets, a heal that slows in an area and an unescapable jarvan ultimate that makes her invulnerable long enough to dodge attacks, spells and even turret shots. And even with all that I still would rather play Cho'gath than her just because he's Voidzilla and I have loved him ever since I started to play this game all those years ago.
Just play Darius and go 2-0 in first 5 minutes
kinda funny that cho counters her
Can’t believe people need to have a disclaimers in order to prevent people’s feelings from being hurt because they have no common sense.
That’s social media for you xD
Best thing about Cho is even if you don't get fed or pop off, you can still walk around looking like a Raid boss.
You popped into my recommendation Vars so that mean you're getting traction! Keep up the work I've been binging your vids :) they're so good and relatively unique.
Wooo algorithm go brrrr! XD Glad you're enjoying them!
I've mained Cho'Gath since Open Beta and after 12 years you get very good at hitting Qs. If they ever reworked him I'd 100% quit the game
I do think he could at the very least use a visual update, maybe not a gameplay update. The dude looks like such a mess, and not in a good way.
I would say his passive also needs some tweaking but other than that he is fine
@@ventu7907 his passive is very underrated in laning phase is the strongest ability he has his passive is more valuable than his ult in laning phase
he was already reworked
You'd be in the minority. Cho is my favourite champion but his kit is really trash, they need to change his q, w and passive.
Just off the top of my head, without watching the video yet:
-Dated visual design, both in his model and his abilities.
-Similarly dated gameplay design, a lot of champs really show their age nowadays and Cho is no exception.
-Extremely reliant on killing things with R, which is both a) kind of awkward and b) high risk/meh reward in terms of scaling, requires either getting kills or clearing the jungle.
-He’s a monstrous champion, which will on its own will knock his popularity way down compared to humanoid characters.
-Generally not very strong/meta.
-The scariest part about Cho’Gath is when he gets big, he’s *really big*. But a lot of other champions do the same thing with stronger and less “feast or famine” kits.
I hope Cho’Gath gets a VGU soon enough; given his age, I don’t doubt he’s on Riot’s list for VGU candidates, but given the states of various other dated champions, he’s probably nowhere near the top.
They’ve already publicly stated that they have issues with Mundo & Nocturne, and Shyvana and Udyr are notorious for aging very poorly; Shyvana’s issue being her kit and Udyr his visuals. So Cho likely isn’t getting touched any time soon. Womp womp.
Lol yeah Cho'gath is pretty ugly and as you know, only sexy champions can be popular (RIP urgot T^T)
@@VarsVerum And my mains are Cho'Gath, Zac, Maokai, Urgot, and Tahm Kench :)
@@VarsVerumik this was wrong a while ago but why do you think cho was meta for a while? tbh i have no idea why they were meta
Tbh I really hope Shyvana gets her vgu sooner than say... 2022-2023? Because if we are only getting Mundo this year and Udyr is the first of 2022, assuming she is the first next vgu, it's still like a year and 2 thirds until she gets a vgu at minimum :(
This video didnt age well...
Cho op now in top.
ikr?
LoL is constantly rotating so duh
Bruh I main chogath and I love him ppl missing out a great champ
I really like Cho just because for me he enbodies perfectly the concept of a "meat shield". He does not have any habilities that work specifically towards protecting his allies, but still does so by simply being in front of them. He's so huge that even if the enemy aims at someone else, they still end up hitting Cho. His "protective ability" is literally just his hitbox size.
Very roadhog
@@LordSeth-hf8ew Precisely!
About being able to land Q: as a top player his Q usually requires mobility skills to dodge, and has a low cooldown (so unless he's laying against Gwen or Fiora, he gets his Qs in during enemy cooldowns). If he freezes he can spam Q, walk up during knockup and E for quite a lot of damage. His high health is more to be used against towers in the sense where when he gets good stacks he can dive rather reliably (when I play chogath after laning phrase I just get to ignore towers).
BTW really cool that u answer the comments if u can! I really respect that Vars! Bless u.
As someone who played Cho'Gath a lot and as to how the game is now, I can say that his problem might not be the lack of "gap closer" but rather the lack of disengage/get-off-me/escape-tool. I totally agree with the problems you stated in Cho's kit, but giving him a gap-closer kinda ruins his identity as the godzilla of League and in-game it removes the only thing that effectively counters him "distance" (Imagine godzilla being so mobile or just dashing around). I also agree that his passive is lackluster, and I would also like to add that his w is the weakest-link in his actives. A solution I can think of is a mini-rework on his passive and w,.Maybe give his passive something that scales from his R stacks (maybe tenacity or resistance/damage-reduction (cause it's so funny how some champions just melts a 5k HP Cho'Gath faster than other tanks). As for his W, what I can think of is to change it to the old Volibear E (except remove the knockback and slow but it applies fear even to champions), this way he will have a "get-off-me" tool that can also make landing his Q quite-easier and reliable since you have another cc in a form of fear. It also makes much more sense for Cho'Gath to inflict fear than to silence enemies, they can also give it the "E" treatment where its AOE increases in proportion to Cho'Gath's size.
i played cho, 50 games back to back to get him to level 7 and max eternals.
i played against every kind of toplaner. but i could never say whats wrong. and why it doesnt feel so good. you hit the nail on the head. this is so true. cho gath is somehow kindy squishy, i mean he is big in size so he gets hit with everything. but he has nothing against it. nothing. you can just run and hope you live trough it. sion can r away and shield himself. an ornn has a w that makes him unstoppable. but have you ever played cho against vayne thresh? you get with every cc spell, while vayne just stack true dmg on you. if you try to get to her she uses q, e or r nothing you can do.
back to the point i mostly won my lane like even darius and teemo, only adcs and aatrox can lanebully you so hard that it is unplayable (tank shred champs aside). so im like 3/0/0 with first tower, most farm. but if i get engaged i can do shit. even if im tankiest mf alive. true dmg and cc will wear you down. but you have no counter against that. so a resistance or tenacity buff to disengage would be great. all in all i think cho shows the drastic difference between old league and new league.
Hail of Blades/Titanic Hydra. Ghost/smite and run people down from the jungle. Probably some of the most fun you can have on a champion while still being effective 😉
Just imagine to see Ekko try to come and invade you JG but he found out that a giant faking dinosaurs say nope and that faking eat him.
This is one of the more funny stories of mine about how people fail to think that Cho have the ability to 1v1 all champs pretty ez. Like hi don't have many counters. Only Fiore is a problem but like a good cho can anticipate the dash of the enemy
@Sorry, i dont Get it that's why you jungle. You can literally drag them kicking and screaming to victory
When I first started playing midseason 6, Cho was the only interesting character to me. I saw his ult, and it looked like the only thing in this game that did big damage. His jungling was safe, his cc helped me catch people, and that ulti felt very good.
You keep covering my favourite champs :)
I have an idea for what they can do to bring his consuming concept into a bigger role. Cho'Gath should adapt to what type of champ he'd last consumed, meaning that wich type of champ he'd eaten last his abilities will adapt to it, eat a tank, become buff, eat a slayer, become sleaker and mobile, eat a ranger gain one or more ranged abilities.
That sounds interesting
I love Cho'gath since he grews when i feed him ... its like a mini game with LoL .
Seeing him grow tankier and bigger its very rewarding
I remember using him to nom the dragons, good times
One of my favourite champs. (Yeah getting as huge as possible is the funniest part plus i love the laning phase with the E and the passive it's fun)
You forgot the hp scaling on his E which is an important part of his kit when dueling
Cho'gath (AP or Tank) is ironically a pretty decent low elo champ. No one else on your team will play a tank, people can't dodge his q, they don't respect feast damage, and most importantly, it lets you be a second jungler for your team in the midgame in case yours is crap.
I love chogath but i would love for him to feel more like a huge void monster, a built in approach velocity / mini dash on a cc'd target for passive (with an all fours running animation) , and his silence to be like a rumble q but obviously not as long, where enemies are silenced as long as they're in the cone whilst he is screaming. That way he could consistently lock and dps a target down if they try to dive his carries and extend his ability to protect them, whilst also allowing for enemy teams to counter it by ccing him from outside the cone.
He's a tank with insane burst potential at the tradeoff of super tankiness and i think thats kind of a nice niche, they just need to modernise him a little bit to help him deal with mobility creep and make him not look so goofy.
Just one thing if u play him like an burst mage/assassin u just need to buy oracle lens and stay in bushes and then q and the enemy don't expect and u can 100/0
I actually played that I chilled at recently and I found him quite effective. I built take and got to 6k hp. I was a big boi. The main issue I had was limited range and very slow movement. Those are his biggest issues. He's actually on the right radar for champions riot wants to rework and has been there for quite a long time. Another champion that's also been on the list for a long time is rammus. Is gameplay is roll up to them and just stand there when they slowly die.
Same. But it's sad that the 2021 rework voting list just shows up. Rammus and Cho'Gath not even on the list so maybe they aren't getting any rework in a short time.
Cho'gath was my first top laner I really learned, and I mained him for a while before moving on to other top laners like Urgot, and Malphite (although recently, I have been learning Irelia as a pocket pick.) Ultimately, I like being big, and being a sort of landmark focus of a team fight that everyone else fights around, as well as being a high damage threat. That being said, not having a dash or a shield really hurts, and his sustain is so situational that it barely matters outside of laning phase. Compare that to someone like Warwick who I main in the jungle. He has a similar life steal idea to cho's passive, but it WORKS so much better for him because he can go into a fight, get to low health, and run off, Q a scuttle, and get right back into the fight, or even regen health while in a fight by just turning on whoever is hurting him.
Cho could really do with something even as simple as a heal on his Q or E, just to sustain through those longer teamfights.
Since Q is hard to land, maybe he can gain just a bit of MS towards the targets he actually lands them on as a tiny buff.
But that's just Approach velocity :o
Wait true XD
Maybe a built-in one for Cho? Or his E could have a very tiny dash effect like Udyr's Bear stun and Garen's Q
This is why aproach velocity is a rune.
You made a really good point chill gas is a predator themed champion but has no moves that actually get him close to his prey they could totally just add a little bit of movement speed on his q after you land it and I think that would make him pretty solid. Extra style if they make him look like the T-Rex running in Jurassic Park when he's doing it. Alternatively they could go to the wack ass option and have him run really fast and leave ruptures behind him.
This video made me think more about Cho'Gath nad what made him good both as a tank and a mage, so i got inspired and i'm going for a takny mage with everfrost as first complete item
Enough resistance for duels and fights, enough damage on all skills to handle various situations and mix/max -ing both E and R damage
Somehow it's working well
I know this is a super old video at this point, but I wanted to say that I have come back to League of Legends and jungling choke ass has been absolutely amazing.ghost smite With the new items you can rush chemtank and warmogs with lucidity boot on predator with the item cool down rune in inspiration and futures market to make sure you get boots and a kindlegem early. Rush all of the cdr components of the items and start eating epic monsters like dragons or buffs as they stack infinitely. You can run into the enemy jg and eat their buff from them at over 1k hp left. And use your movespeed to get out. You can essentially take over the game with even half decent ganks starting very early and with an amazing health pool after clearing.
i have the same relationship with cho. was my first champ, learned the game with him, and now hes an affectionate pocket pick
I miss chogath's old E where you could just have permanent hyperfarm power
Good old times
Personally I think building tank+ a demonics is a pretty good middle ground. Insanely tanky with do much HP, your R can almost one shot squishies (And it's VERY fun having both jungles fight over an objective, trying to calculate a perfect smite once it reaches 900 HP, then just walking in with your R and killing it when it still has 1500 HP) and with demonics and the tank items+your R stacks, you can easily get 100-150 extra AP from its passive, letting you get around 200 AP with one item while being extremely tanky.
As long as the enemy doesn't have something like a Vayne, Cho'gath is a really good pick
Cho'gath will always have a special place in my heart, together with Kayle and Kha'zigs, in that I dont play him often, nor do I like to play them normally given that they are so easily screwed in early game and made absolute useless because of it, but they give a sorta of feel of acomplishment with the transformations. It goes bad more often then not, but when it goes good it is amazing and that is why at least once for season I play them and only them for about a month.
Didn’t touch cho gath until I got a skin for him and while him being really slow and unable to close distances is definitely an issue slowly growing larger and eating people with his ult is the most satisfying thing to me
I really REALLY enjoy playing cho but I just think his q is incredibly hard to hit unless u can get a silence or slow off but that requires you to get close to the enemy which unless you flash isnt gonna happen often. so maybe finding a way close the gap as you said would be good without the need for an item or specicific rune set. Because if his q is too easy to land then that becomes a problem too I think.
Deadman's plate, Force of nature, Predator, Relentless hunter, water walking, celerity.
FAST AF BOIIIII
When i started playing i got stomped by an insane cho gath and ever since i am an cho otp i play him even if i get hard counterd he makes me so happy an his size scaling is beautiful i just rlly love him
I see cho way more than any other champ on the "why no one plays" series
Cho, in my maining him as AP mid, played far more like an AP Assassin as opposed to Warden.
I would say that, even with tank cho being insanely good this season, they should give him some minor rework.
One thing I had thought of is to make his q similar to nocturnes path where he gains movement toward people hit by it. Maybe make it a faster wave skillshot with the same range but less damage?
Also they should make his passive scale off max hp and mana as opposed to a flat amount. It kinda falls flat right now.
Nice to see so many fellow cho’gath mains
If I were to rework Cho'gath, I'd move his E active to his passive, the spikes covering a wider area every few levels. Old passive stays though. Q can stay but maybe with some changes like instantly popping out when done point blank and a variable delay based on the distance cast from him. W can and ult can stay. His new E though... maybe he use his tail to deal damage in a cone at the target direction or a point-and-click stun that looks like Ridley's down B.
I think why people dont play Cho'Gath is because they are having problems getting stacks and thats where Cho'Gath is good so you need to get stacks as much as possible.
With the new items cho is in a really good spot rn.
If you build nightharvester into zhonyas into tank you have a Lot of dmg and the abillity to gapclose After hitting Q.
Personally Cho' gath is my flag ship with Elise as my secondary.
2 reasons sett and Botrk
Me and my friend played Cho'gath and Yasuo back in 2015 ish?. Me as Cho Jungle and him as Yasuo mid. We won 8/10 games even with a leaver on our team in 4/10 of those games yet we still crushed them every single game. Our combined KDA was probably around 30/4/15 each game. We got placed in Silver 1 I think after provisional games which pissed us off because we thought we would get higher, lol. And we never played ranked again. Was a blast tho.
Cho is still great in the jungle, take udyrs build w/ chemtank and such, using your ult as a second smite to secure objectives
I think you're right that the big hurt for Cho is how many health % attacks there are now. Those used to be rare, so pure health was good.
The KISS fix for Cho would just be to cut the health gained from Feast in half and give him 3-5 armor/resist per stack instead.
The hardest thing about being a One Trick Cho like I am is matchups, there is a sea of champions that utterly counter Cho’Gath, despite him being an easy champ to play, he’s not easy to one trick, especially when you get up past mid Gold in ranks
I have been enjoying your content dude, these why no one plays are pretty cool and high standard. Only things that sometimes are a bit meh is the why no one plays poppy video there was stats that blocked the view from the sick plays in the back ground haha, the only other thing i that i noticed was Hurt Box, iv never heard someone call a hit box a hurt box but other than that, love the videos man ggwp +1 subscriber
Hurtbox is the model on the character that can receive damage if hit. Hitbox is the size of the thing doing the hitting. So the “hitbox” on your champion is the hurtbox
@@VarsVerum ahhhh I had no fuckin idea thought. They were the same thing 🤣🤣 cheers for takin the time to reply man keep it up, been bingin this series learned alot, should do one for vladimir maybe 🤔
Here from March 2022, Still No Rework!, though he does AMAZING as a mage nowdays
I will say you missed his primary utility as a tank. It sounds silly, but with proper positioning, you can force them to engage on you because skill shots that stop on champion hit can’t get past you, and even targeted abilities are difficult with how much Cho there is
Cho main here. You pretty much nailed it. Only thing is that in situations where the enemy doesn’t have a good shredder (think Yi, Vayne, Brand, etc) you can build AP + resistances and you’re kind of OP. Your high amount of HP allows you to invest more effectively and become tankier for way cheaper. So in those situations I still think that Cho can be very very good (and even if there is a Yi, if you just kill him with ult it works)
What I mean is that he can work. But as you said he has a lot of weaknesses that keep him from being actually viable
He definitely has very high highs, but just as many low lows.
A pretty stacked cho + lulu ult + that item that makes you bigger and gives shield (i dont know the name in english) is one of the funniest things I've ever been a part of in league, and I play since 2013
Love the emblem music
I like him built armor/mr/haste. Frozen Heart is great.
This is what I learned the game with in season 1 on twisted tree line. Yes his kit is extremely old now but it’s still very effective. I blind pick Cho a lot because you can build him mage or tank depending on the matchup but he’s a much better mage certainly.
As a Cho'Gath main, Cho is very fun when he gets big but it's hard to do that consistently because in teamfights half the time he just gets shreded and the other half he can't finish off the last ones because he's just too slow to
I would be willing to give up my vorpal e, if he could have a stomp or quake ability that would stun an area for a half second.
That way you could just long play his abilities one into the other to try to wreck the enemy team if they stay bunched up.
Quake them into place, to land your rupture, and silence them when they fall back down. Juggling the enemy champions and then eating one of them.
I would say that the main reasons he's less popular are that he has trouble dealing with all the different forms of mobility that have crept their way into league and his ability a zone of control tank is tied so heavily on a slow skillshot that locks you into place that it effectively doesn't exist for more mobile champions. I'm not saying that he doesn't come with gratification when you do occasionally hit the rupture, but that it's far more scary to check if nunu is in the bush ulting or orianna's ball is sitting between you and your intended destination than it is to say "nah man, i'll just use if cho aims perfectly and otherwise will just sidestep it.
from watching the footage i never thoughtt of Qing right under myself when i play him to counter divers, the more you know huh
Q is quite hard to land given that it also causes a brief pause on cast for the stomp animation. And I noticed this even only playing in the early days of mobility creep.
OTOH once Feast is up you not only have an incredible execute but also effectively have an additional smite, which is excellent for objective control.
Thematically, I would love it if they leaned into how his personality differs from the other void champs. Rek'sai is a mother and an animal. Vel'koz is an emotionless scientist. Kog'maw is a curious baby who doesn't comprehend the damage he does, which I think could make for a great blind idiot god style cosmic horror. Kha'zix wants to hunt and become strong. But Cho'gath is fully in tune with the Void's desire for all that is to Not Be, and to silence the voices of sapience.
i highly reccomend the streamer balori, he plays cho'gath a lot, and does a AP/magic pen build. i played the usual tank build before, but once i tried the AP cho'gath i knew i found my main. imo not many people pick him because he can fall into both a mage and a tank category, with a lot of arrows pointing into tank, where theres other options that perform better. as a mage tho he does a lot of damage, can easily overpower a lot of champs early game, and he isnt squishy because of his R scaling his hp. its actually kinda op, with the right build you can deal ~3k true damage while also being tanky if you play it right. i reccomend cho'gath to a lot of players, simple but fun, while also being viable!
It would be so lit if they just buffed cho such that enemies hit by his q where counted as within ulti range while they were in the air. They could have an animation where they fall down into his waiting maw, thru like a void portal or something.
No that would be op
IMO Cho is built for Protobelt to fix mobility, and then Banshee's Veil and Zhonya's because they give AP + armor. For most mages the armor isn't very effective because you have such low HP, but Cho gets pure HP with his ult so it's very effective. Item haste lets you use the active of these very often and scale well
Needs visual update and his q,w and passive reworked or buffed (or just needs some extra effect on his passive, mr/armor or health with each minion kill).
They could probably do something like his ability aoes get bigger with each ult stack up to a cap?
his e aoe does increase with stacks and i think maybe the cone width on his w increases with size
As Cho' Gath main this is good to see
Hope he get his w buffed (feels to useless taking into account all the types of silences there are with the new champions)
Or that at least give it a visual improvement in its skins
Lmfao at the 3 wards on 10:21
You have just inspired me to use Cho'Gath's R in a different way...
I mained Cho'Gath Top up until I stopped playing League, right around the time Rek'Sai was introduced. I love him _because_ he's slow, he gets big, and he can hit hard if built right.
I came back late 2020 to find so many things had changed... Now I main Cho and Vel'koz XD
My 91,600 cho'gath point are happy some one know him
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1.1M mastery points on him^^
Unless he has changed considerably since 2012 his role isn't really to fight. It's more to disrupt and herd. Basically using rupture to stagger the enemy and feral scream to stop them from using their abilities.
Since he gains so much natural hp you can build more armor and mr to make him tanky and just eat a lot of skillshots with your face, your (hopefully)very big face. His true damage R is fucking devastating as well!
What was the backgroud music for this video? I recognize it but I can't figure it out
His ult should be a true execute, it shows execution range but can be saved through a shield.
New items definitely make him better but yeah i think his q w and e need reworks or minor tweaks he use to be so much better when you q wasn't straight up telegraphed to the enemy team now you can just side step it instead of looking out for the spikes. maybe making his q a line skillshot instead and maybe his e is like a ms or dash or shield add some % damage to his feral scream to make up for the lack of damage, buff also increase his feral scream to hit most adc autoattack ranges. i think this is the best way to keep his feeling and niche while giving some love then he isnt reliant on autoattacks for damage when his kit is all burst. they definetly some better tank mage items for chogath and leona also.
And when should i play Cho? Which champs or teams does he counter?
Little late here but what if he could lose a stack for a considerable heal? For example lvl6 stack absorption grants him hp that is equal (hp that 1 stack gives) + a % of missing hp over some deconds
Higher ult level means higher base heal and its affected by hp regen bonuses although halved or smth
I'm a cho'gath main and I'd say the biggest drop off in the effectiveness of his kit is his passive. It is amazing in the laning phase, gives you much needed pieces of sustain, however like it was pointed out in the video; it just isn't useful anywhere else. I also want to say that this video pretty much entirely excluded mention of cho gath's E, the spikes! the spikes are faaaantastic and will likely become your main source of battlefield control when fighting against flighty teams which can dodge your Q. The percent health damage is nothing to sneeze at either, gaining more % damage for the number of Feast stacks you have, this really helps cho gath handle other more standard tanks, often out preforming your standard warden with the quick hits of % damage.
I'd say that it's absolutely fair that Cho is an A tier champ fighting for a place against S tier champs. The mechanics for Cho are fairly simple, and thanks to his most recent major update, he becomes a fairly straightforward champion to pick up, play and find some fun satisfaction when he gets VERY big. It's fun! primarily, I think playing cho is just fun and rewarding. Does he need some quality of life updates to his kit? absolutely. But I think his most admirable quality is the satisfaction and fun that comes from playing Cho.
tldr: this video is very on point! give cho a small rework pls riot
this video: why nobody plays cho gath
me who mains cho gath: ;-;
chogath can kill and tank. he just has enough hp (also gargoyle stoneplate existes) to tank and if he faces a squishy or is fed than a q to w (you can always reach them in time to w unless you are slowed or don't have boots or something) to e combo slows them a bunch maybe you can fit in another e if they aren't next to tower, then you ult and get even bigger. He also just scales amazingly to late game which makes playing him early game feel fun and chill because all you HAVE to do is not feed and if you do well early game you become a carry late game. you can even keep getting stronger after level 18 and full build which means the game is never hopeless.
I love playing Cho: 10+Stack, Frostfire Gauntlet, Iron Elixir and Stoneplate Active. BIG BOI COMING FOR YOU.