Kaidan & Bishop

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  • čas přidán 22. 09. 2018
  • 一個跟你討論政治還會教你武藝,一個只想把你脫光上床....Well, 精神派與肉體派的對決....

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  • @itsclemtime2357
    @itsclemtime2357 Před 3 lety +454

    Bishop: “calls the Dovahkiin a Princess.”
    Jarl Barlgruuf: *”I’M THE ONLY PRETTY PRINCESS IN THIS CASTLE.”*

  • @jojol.2630
    @jojol.2630 Před 3 lety +460

    I like to imagine Kaidan and Bishop would just absolutely hate each other

    • @pinpinchen
      @pinpinchen  Před 3 lety +120

      It's pity that they cannot have party banter like DA series. I imagine they could be barking each other all day.

    • @turquesa_8056
      @turquesa_8056 Před 3 lety +37

      That would have been entertaining I am sure.

    • @medallionvaliance5349
      @medallionvaliance5349 Před 3 lety +85

      For good reason too X)
      Bishop is pretty selfish and manipulative and there’s no way your other companions wouldn’t call him out on his shit

    • @turquesa_8056
      @turquesa_8056 Před 3 lety +60

      @@medallionvaliance5349 Kaidan would have definitely called him out on all that. Especially the way Bishop sometimes snaps at your character.

    • @pinpinchen
      @pinpinchen  Před 3 lety +38

      @@medallionvaliance5349 I don't understand in the end how does Bishop become a mild house man abruptly, it's awkward, how does his ladyship tame him. It might be reasonable and more interesting that he betrays her in some way or under some condition. XD

  • @TheSpazKaz
    @TheSpazKaz Před 3 lety +528

    Well that just about sums it up. Kaidan's brain: thoughtful, intelligent conversation like a normal human being. Bishop's brain: sexsexsexsexsexsex

    • @lavishlyvice
      @lavishlyvice Před 2 lety +55

      Bishop is honestly so disgusting

    • @user-hx8tb7hc3e
      @user-hx8tb7hc3e Před 2 lety +7

      You mean the opposite...human brain is like "sexsexsexsexsex", Kaidan passed that stage when he was still a child and grew up learning new things, traveled and fought to achieve his goals

    • @spicysalad3013
      @spicysalad3013 Před rokem

      @@user-hx8tb7hc3e human brain is not like that lmfao

    • @mayalewis2956
      @mayalewis2956 Před rokem +8

      pretty much lol, bishop believes he is owed sex simply because he finds a woman attractive ,he cant even be bothered to talk to them like a person,every minute of him is him belittling the literal demi god that we are playing "I protect you,you hide behind me" like they could of picked any other game

  • @TDN-kz9bc
    @TDN-kz9bc Před rokem +83

    "An I stirring something inside you?"
    "Regret."

    • @pinpinchen
      @pinpinchen  Před rokem +7

      lmao

    • @ameliasellers6396
      @ameliasellers6396 Před rokem +20

      "The desire...to sacrifice you to Boethia."

    • @ReverieNightengale
      @ReverieNightengale Před rokem +10

      ​@@ameliasellers6396 Imagining Boethiah eating Bishop and then getting indigestion from his toxicity. Not that you'd be able to tell the difference between Daedric sh*t and the character.

    • @yep1486
      @yep1486 Před rokem +3

      @@ReverieNightengale bet the difference is that Daedric shit could blow up a city

    • @ReverieNightengale
      @ReverieNightengale Před rokem +3

      @@yep1486 Blowing up the city with Daedric farts.

  • @samanthagolding3876
    @samanthagolding3876 Před 5 lety +142

    *Finishes a good conversation with one of the nicest guys to treat you right*
    Bishop: Princess, a word if you please
    Me: Fuck -_-

  • @PeanutButterZombie00
    @PeanutButterZombie00 Před 3 lety +332

    I should have seen it coming, but the sudden switch from Kaidan's extremely thoughtful and insightful dialogue to Bishop's aggressive propositioning was so sudden, it made me laugh. This video makes a great point, illustrating the difference between these two. I wish Bishop had been written better, although he has another writer now working on some DLC content for his mod, and she seems to be doing a much better job. Still, Kaidan is written so well, he even outclasses a lot of the vanilla characters.

    • @lavishlyvice
      @lavishlyvice Před 2 lety +40

      Couldn't have said it better myself. I also like that Kaidan has a romance option the player can initiate on their own or just remain friends with him, it's not forced at all and entirely up to the player. He's a great companion but also a lovely male romance character. With the painful abundance of custom female followers, Kaidan is one of the few male ones that are really, really good.
      Bishop is kind of a wattpad-fanfiction-come-to-life-disaster, which is a bummer because *so much* work clearly went into the mod. Everyone in the team is so talented but the writing is so awful. The fact he's so manipulative, has extreme anger managment issues, is terrifyingly obsessive and doesn't take "no" for an answer is not something I could pass off as a "It's just fantasy/entertainment" type of thing. It's just plain bad imo.
      I'm very interested to see how they'll handle the new Cael romance mod though. So far seems like they'll be polar opposites.

    • @leonaeckert4318
      @leonaeckert4318 Před rokem +5

      @Donner I know this is from like a year ago. But the response Mara had over some of the genuine criticisms she received over the mod was really telling. Personally, I enjoy the potential that it has, had he not been written so icky. As much as I had fun with the mod, you can't say that it's an example of a healthy relationship. He's possessive, condescending, incredibly vain, misogynistic, and doesn't seem to grasp the concept of consent. And that just barely scratches the surface of the problems with the mod. I will say, as a writer, it is fun to rewrite the story and see it play it out in a healthier manner. It had the potential, but Mara dropped the ball big time.

    • @tut28Angel
      @tut28Angel Před rokem +2

      Sadly they caneled bishop's dlc stuff. I feel like he would have improved with it.

    • @leonaeckert4318
      @leonaeckert4318 Před rokem +3

      They did cancel it but they have the finished script available on the site if you know where to look.

    • @thatperson278
      @thatperson278 Před rokem +3

      Wym a lot of? The only one who is even on the same playing field is Serana 😭

  • @Raven-yv6di
    @Raven-yv6di Před rokem +43

    Bishop: *Mysteriously disappears*
    DB: Have you guys seen Bishop? He's been missing for awhile.
    Lucien: *sweating nervously* Nope!
    Kaiden: No idea. Maybe you should check the bottom of Lake Ilinalta. On an unrelated note, we're out of rope by the way.

    • @rokkfel4999
      @rokkfel4999 Před 8 měsíci +7

      Then we see inigo just dripping with water and a bit of seaweed on his head
      Inigo: maybe he went on a fishing trip?

  • @kat_eternity_family
    @kat_eternity_family Před rokem +70

    Bishop: *makes love with the dragonborn*
    Kaidan: *kills him*

    • @mayalewis2956
      @mayalewis2956 Před rokem +15

      Don't think it counts as making love with Bishop as every time he basically screams at the dB and coerces them

  • @laconchadetuhermana426
    @laconchadetuhermana426 Před 3 lety +154

    Lmao the gentle Kaidan and BOOM Bishop

  • @ryanwatt6706
    @ryanwatt6706 Před 3 lety +198

    I legit cringed at Bishop especially when you said you weren’t in the mood like wtf dude!?
    I feel like you and Kai would be traveling together and suddenly Bishop shows up demanding help. Then has the nerve to be shit talking your character. Kai would definitely not put up with that shit, nobody should it’s toxic.

  • @vikiv.1352
    @vikiv.1352 Před 3 lety +72

    Two types of barbarians here:) one is a barbarian from old books, another one is from pop culture

  • @samanthagolding3876
    @samanthagolding3876 Před 5 lety +158

    Can you please make more videos of where you compare the two? Like where Bishop freaks out for you leaving to slay Alduin and Kaidan tells you he believes in you. Then when you get back to their different reactions X-D all up to you of course

    • @pinpinchen
      @pinpinchen  Před 5 lety +41

      Thanks for comment, I will consider replay Skyrim soon (Actually already 1200+ hours XD). I have to say, the most unbelievable thing is...Kaidan will follow you to Soverngard!

    • @samanthagolding3876
      @samanthagolding3876 Před 5 lety +9

      @@pinpinchen He will.

    • @Mio21008
      @Mio21008 Před 2 lety

      @@pinpinchen Do you still plan to post comparisons of them?

    • @mayalewis2956
      @mayalewis2956 Před rokem +7

      Bishop screaming and shouting(nothing unusual) Kaidan back in skyrim with pom poms cheering for you

  • @jojooffaraway2675
    @jojooffaraway2675 Před 3 lety +58

    Lol, if that doesn't sum it up nicely. I half expected Bishop to shout about his opinion on the Civil War in headless anger (can't remember what version of the mod he did that in, like one sentence). And then there's Kaidan, who has a really nice and polite reaction when you tell him you aren't in the mood by the way.

    • @spicysalad3013
      @spicysalad3013 Před rokem

      And Kaidan has an entire conversation with you about consent while Bishop just screams at you about how irresistibly horny he is

  • @WITCHXIMAGEEZ
    @WITCHXIMAGEEZ Před rokem +11

    So what I’m learning from play throughs: Kai is a gentle king who deserves so much love

    • @wind-born2581
      @wind-born2581 Před rokem +1

      That's totally unfair. A mutt actually has a personality.

  • @amaguni_pikore
    @amaguni_pikore Před 3 lety +36

    i've heard conflicting things about the romance mod
    i guess i'm glad i only installed kaidan

  • @corvuselizabeth9747
    @corvuselizabeth9747 Před rokem +12

    Bishop forcing Dragonborn to make love with him as he throws a fit when you say no, which ends up leading towards Kaidan with a murderous glare just so pissed off he's seething furious and irate just saying *"I'm coming to blood eagle you"* 🤣😂

    • @yep1486
      @yep1486 Před rokem +4

      Bishop=those wolf who randomly appear and annoy us
      Kaidan=our sword that smacks those wolfs

    • @corvuselizabeth9747
      @corvuselizabeth9747 Před rokem +4

      @@yep1486 Pfft hehah I love that 🤣

    • @corvuselizabeth9747
      @corvuselizabeth9747 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @thinn_chickenn2492 If they don't make a single noise or sound while in the act of being blood eagled, then yeah they are allowed into Valhalla. But if they even make so much as a small miniscule noise then they don't get into Valhalla.

  • @dreamsrealitytxc7839
    @dreamsrealitytxc7839 Před 2 lety +24

    Extremely good summary of Kaiden and Bishop. I hope one day they get salty banter between the two .
    Also i like how most of this comment section is peoples insight and observance on the two

    • @mayalewis2956
      @mayalewis2956 Před rokem

      Bishop tries to run his mouth , Kaidan "you do realise I could just kill you with my hands"

  • @sugawolves7938
    @sugawolves7938 Před 4 lety +58

    Kaiden sounds almost like Kit Harrington as he played Jon Snow

    • @mythalon2999
      @mythalon2999 Před 4 lety

      Suga Wolves Yeah right i also tought so 😀

    • @erinlacy3522
      @erinlacy3522 Před 3 lety +3

      I noticed it too! I think its the northern accent

    • @madkiki1379
      @madkiki1379 Před 3 lety +8

      Well there is also mod that make Kaidan look like Jon Snow.

  • @bruttyc7072
    @bruttyc7072 Před 2 lety +26

    Tempted to download bishop if only to sic kaidan on him …

  • @leenawayne2051
    @leenawayne2051 Před 2 lety +13

    Kaidans voice is nicce

  • @angelalycos2.076
    @angelalycos2.076 Před 3 lety +17

    .....He is so spot on it's scary

  • @justmonika3552
    @justmonika3552 Před rokem +32

    I thought I would like the Skyrim Romance mod, so I went to look into some play throughs to get a better idea of what it was... so glad I did. None of the reviews mentioned how non-con and toxic bishop was or even that you couldn't date any of the other "potential suitors" in the mod. Just watching some of the dialogue had me revving up a panic attack. Then I saw guys will harass you now in every town cuz uwu so pretty and Bishop needs someone to edgy growl at too?? If you're trying to give people a way to itch a degradation and/or cnc kink, WARN them. Make that clear in descriptions and reviews. Not divulging this from the start takes away a person's ability to consent just like bishop tries to do. It can and HAS triggered flashbacks to s.a. UGH this mod makes me so upset. Kaidan looks like a godsdamn saint in comparison but like how accurate is that when bishop has the bar so low it's under a sublayer of the earth's crust? Just... no. absolutely not.

    • @pinpinchen
      @pinpinchen  Před rokem +11

      That's the most terrible thing I see in that MOD. It courages a state of inability or incapablity, you can't even refuse him or deny his action. You will marry him and have a child eventually. If player is a fan of Bishop of original work, I would say it's fine because player would dream to have such story. But a lot players like me who never know where he came from or on which character he is based on will just feel WTF why can't I choose another guys.

    • @ashlynnwolf7564
      @ashlynnwolf7564 Před rokem +4

      I honestly hope the Cael mod, if it does end up coming out (since I can’t seem to play it), is 1000x better than Bishop’s romance. Because Bishop’s romance is indeed toxic.

    • @mayalewis2956
      @mayalewis2956 Před rokem +2

      The old version was even worse believe it or not

  • @fjotrathegodless
    @fjotrathegodless Před rokem +12

    Bishop makes me feel sick. I’d take Kaidan over him any day

    • @Aredel
      @Aredel Před rokem +6

      You'd take Kaidan any day regardless.
      Can't really blame you. He's a snack and a half.

    • @fjotrathegodless
      @fjotrathegodless Před rokem +2

      @@Aredel absolutely I would

  • @vshiki4872
    @vshiki4872 Před rokem +12

    My GOD Bishop is so fucking Obnoxious. I used to want to download the romance mod,then I discovered no matter my taste I would've always have to put up with him in the end. I'm happy Kaidan's got my back, the big sweetheart deserves my heart. A question, is Bishop essential? Or is he protected like Lucien is? If the mod ever comes on xbox one I'd LOVE to download it just to beat him to death with my bare fists. And my character is a small breton MAGE specialized in restoration and illusion, she's not violent, you can only immagine how irritating it feels to hear him speak.
    Edit: I retract my statement, you DO know how irritating he is- but lore-wise you have to be a real nuisance to make a pacifist punch you

    • @idkname420
      @idkname420 Před rokem +4

      I know it's a late reply but unfortunately he is essential. Not just him but almost every character the mod adds. Like those catcallers and the other suitors.

    • @vshiki4872
      @vshiki4872 Před rokem +1

      @@idkname420 aye don't worry about being late. Aww,t's a shame dammit....

    • @spookydonutghosthouse8483
      @spookydonutghosthouse8483 Před rokem +4

      You can use the console commands to make him unessential tho
      Just press the ~ key and type "help bishop" and than type "setessential (bishops base code) 0" (minus the quotations and than he will be killable

  • @sifibuckle
    @sifibuckle Před rokem +1

    what version of Kaidan are you useing, and what other mods?

  • @corvuselizabeth9747
    @corvuselizabeth9747 Před rokem +6

    I really don't like the rapey vibes from Bishop & Kaidan actually doesn't give me loads of anxiety so I'll stick with Kaidan Inigo Lucian Farkas and Vilkas

  • @ThievingWizard
    @ThievingWizard Před rokem +1

    I still like both xD

  • @evelynjolly9375
    @evelynjolly9375 Před 3 lety +6

    Haha too bad they arent the reverse harem

  • @guilhermemartins1424
    @guilhermemartins1424 Před 4 lety +26

    Man, I really like Kaidan's mod, but the author made some really dumb points about the civil war. Someone needs to read a little about war, security and strategic studies

    • @nimbinkwe3555
      @nimbinkwe3555 Před 4 lety +57

      Kaidan the character isn't necessarily a reflection of his author lol

    • @guilhermemartins1424
      @guilhermemartins1424 Před 4 lety +4

      @@nimbinkwe3555 and yet he decides every single one of Kaidan's words. Besides, any character is always a reflection of his author, but not necessarily the author's personality. If the author did know a little bit more about the geopolitics of Tamriel, he or she would probably have made more insightful points regarding Skyrim's Civil War through Kaidan's dialogue. Cheers

    • @nimbinkwe3555
      @nimbinkwe3555 Před 4 lety +81

      @@guilhermemartins1424 I'm pretty sure she wrote him that way intentionally. Kaidan's character IS uneducated, it's part of his story. He's a lone survivalist, not a soldier, and knows little of politics. His view of things is pretty cut and dry because of his severe upbringing. And of course there's always a piece of the author in what they write, but it's a little short sighted to assume that the author is lacking knowledge just because they created a character who possesses little knowledge about a subject. Characters offer the chance to explore perspectives and challenge lines of thought, whether they are simple or complex. The choice to create a character with a simpler view on warefare and politics is definitely a nuance of said character, but not NECESSARILY an implication of the views of the author. In my opinion, if Kaidan's writing does imply anything, it's that most people feel entitled to opinions on matters that they don't understand. At least that's what I took from his comments.
      I am curious as to what kinds of insight you would have liked to see. It would be really interesting to have a Skyrim follower that's written to give the civil war plot more depth, if there isn't already one that I don't know about.

    • @guilhermemartins1424
      @guilhermemartins1424 Před 4 lety +22

      ​@@nimbinkwe3555 Very good reply. Point taken. But you have to understand that there's still a small problem of bad writing within the mod, unless the author really intended Kaidan to be incoherent. You see, the rebellion is far from "brainless". Actually, it's a one-time opportunity for Skyrim to become a sovereign nation in the short term, and an effective nation-state in the long. Just like Kaidan points out, the Empire has recently become unable to "take care of his own" (see 00:56), or, in other words, has recently lost its ability to maintain and expand its military and economic commitments abroad, which is key for the survival of any empire whatsoever (see "imperial overstretch"). What is weird is how Kaidan acknowledges this in such a simple (albeit intelligent) way, but then fails to realize that the rebellion IS A COROLLARY to the political hiatus that this phenomenon of "imperial overstretching" has left on the international system of Tamriel. You see, everytime a prevalent political presence, internal or external, becomes somewhat absent or weak in the political scene - and\or fails to fulfill the expectations and the needs of the weaker political entities bellow -, it creates this "opening" which can, and most undoubtedly will be, strategically seized by the opponents of said presence. In the case of TES V: Skyrim, Ulfric Stormcloack revealed to be a true war veteran and a brilliant strategist by challenging the High King in Solitude - in accordance with old nord traditions - and then by killing him with his Thu'um, at the best possible moment. He did this before the Thalmor could acquire significant influence over Skyrim and the other provinces under the administration of the Empire. He also did this at a time where the weakness of the Empire was most evident to the nords. He recognized that by killing Torygg with his Thu'um, and by resurrecting one of the oldest nord traditions, he would (re)awaken a national identity within the people of Skyrim, which could be deepened further once the worship of Talos was restored and through later political reform. Unlike what Kaidan said (namely that Ulfric was too shortsighted to rule; see 01:06), the "bear of Markarth" showed everyone how competent he was and also revealed his mastery in matters of symbolism and nord custom, which were always discouraged and ignored throughout the Empire’s rule, but were determinant during the civil war to further Ulfric’s ends in terms of legitimizing his claim to the throne.
      Moroever, Kaidan also asked “What’ll happen when all this is over?” and said that “Most of Skyrim’s fighting men and women will be dead or injured, there’ll be no so support from the Empire” (see 01:15), which, according to his view, is “Not a good way to be if the Thalmor decide to attack” (see 01:26). This is a very bad insight. Firstly, having “no support from the Empire” is kind of the point of being independent and autonomous, isn’t it? Secondly, just because Skyrim suffered significant losses from the civil war, it doesn’t mean that the Aldmeri Dominion will invade the province immediately after said war (doesn’t matter which side wins; there’s such a thing as geography and logistics), and the nords won’t be allowed any recovery time to “lick their wounds” and regain some military capacity. Even in that unfortunate outcome, a damaged Skyrim could still adopt guerilla tactics and make the best possible usage of the province’s mountainous topography against an invading, larger and less mobile army, in a way similar to that of the early natives of Asturias against the Romans.
      He makes a very good point about the Empire, though, and regarding the idea of a “domino effect” in the aftermath of Skyrim becoming independent. It reinforces this idea that the Empire is indeed going to crumble eventually and every single province in Tamriel will probably become the birthplace of independent nations. I’ll give credit to the author.

    • @madkiki1379
      @madkiki1379 Před 3 lety +1

      @@guilhermemartins1424 I agree.👍

  • @leenawayne2051
    @leenawayne2051 Před 2 lety +1

    I like bishop