As someone who played Lego Batman as a kid, the soundtrack was legendary, and it got me to watch this movie for the first time last year, and it was amazing.
I first saw this movie, before I played Lego Batman the 🎮 as I overheard the same composer as Danny Elfman and Batman the ride at six flags magic mountain.
I always wondered if he recognized him at Axis Chemicals. I just assumed that's why he dropped him into the chemicals. in a strange way, Bruce Wayne, the billionaire playboy/ generous philanthropist is for the world to see. Batman is who he really is at heart. when Batman showed up taking away Joker's poisonous ballons and fighting his men, that night was all about vengeance, not being the protector of Gotham. I don't care what anyone says. Michael Keaton is the best Batman. this film is a masterpiece.
During the Ace Chemicals scene Batman only knows that Jack Napier is Carl Grissom’s right hand man. He drops him simply because he lost his grip. If his intention was to kill him he wouldn’t have tried to grab for him in the first place. Another intriguing thing is The Joker knew who Batman was the whole time. In their final confrontation on the cathedral rooftop Batman says “You killed my parents I made you, you made me first” and Joker says “What? …I was a kid when I killed your parents”meaning that He knew Batman was Bruce Wayne.
@@BuzbyGaming it could be seen that way but I always assumed that was just Joker stalling for time; think of how many people hes killed over the years, you think hes gonna remember some family even one as wealthy as the Waynes? or that their son survived? earlier in the film hes shown on two occasions to not even really know who bruce is at all; when Bob brings him up as Vickis date (some guy named Wayne) and when they come into contact at Vickis apartment (Bruce... Wayne nes pas??)
For all the "But they changed everything in the comics" crowd Jack Napier = Joe Chill Carl Grisome = Rupert Thorn Axis Chemicals = Ace Chemicals Michael Keaton = BATMAN (🎤drop)
That is what I loved about Tim Burton, his version was different enough but you can clearly see the parallels if you’re a fan of the character and the world. Personally I seen Grisons as more of a Carmine Falcone but I can see Thorn in his as well. Joe Chill was a two bit nobody mixing his character into the joker did him nothing but a favor imo.
I always thought it was creepy, but also being a dumb child I thought they would find a way to bring him back in a later movie. Like it was a coma and he'd wake up to terrorize Gotham again one day. lol
Michael Keaton is my Batman. He's the bar on which i rate every other Batman. I try to watch Batman and Batman Returns at least once a year. Batman returns was the first one I got to see in theaters.
this is the moment where Bruce Wayne snaps; before this point he hadn't killed anyone but that second that Bruce knew who Joker really is... from that moment onwards all bets are off and Batman starts killing goons and the Joker in cold blood
I think deep down he knew who the guy was after he heard the name 'Jack Napier'. Joker seems to remember the mugging during their final battle. It just took those few words to bring out that suppressed memory.
@@seijakarjalainen if he knew his parents killer was Jack Napier he would've killed him at Axis Chemicals; you see it in Bruces face when Joker utters that "dance with the Devil" line to him... all the pieces clicked in that moment for him which is also why we get the flashback to his parents murder while hes staring at video of the Joker
I don't know if this scene telegraphs that Bruce Wayne has decided to *kill* Joker/Jack Napier. At the end of the film, he holds onto the flailing Joker's arm for more than just a passing second. His initial or usual instinct would be to pull him up per his "no kill" rule (In Nolan's Batman, Joker literally is left (alive) flailing from a building). In Burton's ending, I'd say Bruce Wayne/Batman truly does ponder for a moment or two whether he should save him or not. Regardless, it's a great scene because its so unique in the whole "Batman universe" because it involves Bruce--not as Batman--actually face-to-face quarreling with the bad guys. The public distinction between Bruce & Batman is *usually* black & white. The closest other episode I could think of would also be from Nolan's TDK at the cocktail party for Harvey Dent. However, Bruce intentionally avoids confronting Joker--albeit acting out of (public) character for Bruce when disarms one of the henchmen with a quick move of his hands.
@@petersmithyy4556 The Nerves that got severed were in his face from the ricocheting bullet he bounced off Batman’s gauntlet. However taking a swim in a vat of chemicals can’t be good for a 3 piece set either…
But when Batman confronted Joker at the cathedral about his parents Joker didn't know what he was talking about and Batman didn't reveal his identity to him.
The Joker playing dumb Or was legit confused the dude was just gut punched and thrown through a wall. But Just before getting punched off the ledge he says. “I was a kid when I killed your parents… You wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses would ya?”
He wanted the Joker to know why Batman, not Bruce Wayne existed. The Joker wasn't surprised by the truth because he knows he did kill alot of innocent people prior to becoming the Joker.
It's awesome and sets the bar for Batman imo. I hope maybe since DC now has a multiverse after beetlejuice we can get the two of them to make a 3rd movie in the Burtonverse.
In my opinion, what bruce wayne was doing here was that he realized that he would be fighting the joker as batman and had to portray himself in such a way that the joker could never connect that they were the same person. All his actions here are for the future.
Later at the cathedral when Batman says “You killed my parents” the joker said “I was a kid when I killed your parents” so The Joker likely knew he was Batman for sometime before hand or realize it then and there at the Cathedral rooftop. Either way Joker didn’t seem to care and Batman didn’t seem too worried about it at that point either. But I like your idea. Bruce has always been a strategist.
I like how in this Michael Keaton does his Beetlejuice voice when he yells and breaks that thing it’s nice looking forward to the new Beetlejuice and like I keep saying I keep praying that Warner Brothers will let Michael Keaton play Batman one more time but at least if not, he will be iconic for the room, but we’ll see what happens
Yeah Keaton was the best part of the movie. Him coming back was the only reason I bought a ticket... Just sucks that the only parts worth watching was the parts he was in.
I was always pretty sure he was telling the truth about Alicia. He disfigured her deliberately and she couldn't live with herself not being beautiful any more. That was a classic Joker move.
Agreed, But also a big Joker move would be to kill her and tell people she did it to herself… and giggle because only you know the truth. Mine was just an opinion. Thats what I love about Tim Burton he gives you enough to assume what you want… but both outcomes are true to the character.
Ah. Technically, Batman isn’t normal. Imagine if Batman did away with his morality and became a violent psychotic vigilante. Wait. Has he ever been push to that. 😮
No he’s Batman but if you bought a movie ticket and it was just 2 hours of Bruce Wayne you’d be disappointed if he was never in the actual Batman suit right? I know they are 1 in the same but “Batman” ain’t in the scene Bruce Wayne is.
Yeah that is true but in this Universe Jack Napier is the killer. Making the final showdown more personal. Honestly though I am a fan of the comics Napier killing the Wayne’s and creating Batman then Batman accidentally dropped Napier and created the Joker. It was poetic for them to have created each other then be destined to destroy each other. However I always prefer The Joker to not have a “Real Name” and just be that opposite force to Batman.
Vale finally realized he was Batman after he tried to tell her, as well as, how he faked his death and ninja'd his way out of her apartment. That was important.
This scene sets up all the pieces to push into the ending of the movie. Jokers obsession with Vicky, Bruce about to tell Vicky (a reporter) that he’s Batman because he likes her a lot and wants to be honest. Joker saying the line that makes Bruce remember that he killed his parents. This scene is the literal turning point of the movie that sets to two biggest characters on a collision course with each other. If this scene isn’t the most important and pivotal moment, I’m interested to hear what is.
The subtle nuances of the Batman 89' is lost on a lot of people, comic book fans especially at the time because everything wasn't explained to them like it was in the comics. Later history repeats itself with The Dark Knight trilogy where the exposition is telling you everything and fans are bias because the subtle nuances were completely lost when you compare Batman 1989 to The Dark Knight.
Well the best thing to do is Separate the movie versions and the comic versions, they play off each other but as much as every run of the character is alike, they all have awesome difference's. That is why I TRY to give movie vs comics a chance because you never know how it might work in favor of the overall character...BUT... But like The newer version of the crow, it strays too far IMO... it is to the detriment of the character. I back away.
There are also more than one Batman narrative in the comics, too. The Batman "origin story" (I've grown to hate the term) was rehashed multiple times in the comics. Didn't get stale, especially as new characters were added . . . but added in a way that they changed anything fundamental. Batman existed long before Carmine Falcone appeared, for example. The whole "Dark Knight" comic series, of course, is just one of many series in the overall franchise. I can tell you realize--like me--that 1989 Batman is solely underappreciated.
I had a really really bad cold, I just wanted to get the video out. sorry but yeah, You are correct it is an AI voice. Believe Me though.... This very free AI voice was much more bearable then my raspy cracking voice that week. I use AI very sparingly only when I can't do the Voice over myself. I am a 1 man crew here. Nobody can stand in and if you miss a week making content at my numbers it's a fight to get back. Sorry it wasn't to your standards . I hope you'll give the channel another try in the future. have a great weekend.
@@ThePeachtree69 and that’s your opinion. Just like the video it’s an opinion but quick question… if the movie sucked and the scene sucked… why did you click on the video? Why leave a comment? Is it for the attention? Does people disagreeing or arguing with you get your rocks off? Because factually you’re wrong. Every Batman actor and movie since has been compared to Batman 89. The entire reason Batman even wears black or is in Armor in modern movies is because of 89. Not just Batman is compared, The Joker, Penguin as well as Catwoman. 89 and returns are the benchmark for which all modern Batman movies and measured. Basically I guess what I’m telling you is Robert Pattinson, which I am assuming is your favorite is nothing more than a pale imitation. Everything movie wise was ripped from Tim Burtons Batman movies. My Opinion is try to develop better taste because the only other Batman that is close is Ben Affleck and the only reason that is…is because he’s the closest to comic book accurate. Hope you have a better day and thanks for checking out the channel.
It was meant to be, He wasn’t actually angry he playing an actor playing a character that can’t act. ( He’s the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude )
@@BuzbyGaming Actually Bruce Wayne's acting skills should be much better than this cause he constantly pretends to being someone he's not when he's in public.
Jack becoming the Joker really saved this film. I did not like the pre-transformation Jack Napier in this or cartoons. I don't think a creative genius would work for someone like Carl or Sal. Museum scene was pretty mid too. I know people disliked the town hall scene but creativity of it was great. I know people also wondered how police reacted to gun shots so quickly during the Wayne mugging. Jack could have pretty easily dropped a young Bruce but was talked out of it by a Bob like figure. There were a lot of issues but Jack Nicholson did justice to Mr J we all know and love.
Yeah it’s normal while on the internet to seek out and watch scenes from movies you don’t like. Then negativity comment about them to the people that do.
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As someone who played Lego Batman as a kid, the soundtrack was legendary, and it got me to watch this movie for the first time last year, and it was amazing.
I first saw this movie, before I played Lego Batman the 🎮 as I overheard the same composer as Danny Elfman and Batman the ride at six flags magic mountain.
I always wondered if he recognized him at Axis Chemicals. I just assumed that's why he dropped him into the chemicals. in a strange way, Bruce Wayne, the billionaire playboy/ generous philanthropist is for the world to see. Batman is who he really is at heart. when Batman showed up taking away Joker's poisonous ballons and fighting his men, that night was all about vengeance, not being the protector of Gotham. I don't care what anyone says. Michael Keaton is the best Batman. this film is a masterpiece.
During the Ace Chemicals scene Batman only knows that Jack Napier is Carl Grissom’s right hand man. He drops him simply because he lost his grip. If his intention was to kill him he wouldn’t have tried to grab for him in the first place.
Another intriguing thing is The Joker knew who Batman was the whole time. In their final confrontation on the cathedral rooftop Batman says “You killed my parents I made you, you made me first” and Joker says “What? …I was a kid when I killed your parents”meaning that He knew Batman was Bruce Wayne.
he didn't drop him into the chemicals on purpose though, you can see him struggling to keep ahold of Jack before he slips his grip
@@BuzbyGaming it could be seen that way but I always assumed that was just Joker stalling for time; think of how many people hes killed over the years, you think hes gonna remember some family even one as wealthy as the Waynes? or that their son survived? earlier in the film hes shown on two occasions to not even really know who bruce is at all; when Bob brings him up as Vickis date (some guy named Wayne) and when they come into contact at Vickis apartment (Bruce... Wayne nes pas??)
Keep up the hard work. You deserve more subs.
@@blackswanrevelations thank you, I appreciate it.
For all the "But they changed everything in the comics" crowd
Jack Napier = Joe Chill
Carl Grisome = Rupert Thorn
Axis Chemicals = Ace Chemicals
Michael Keaton = BATMAN
(🎤drop)
That is what I loved about Tim Burton, his version was different enough but you can clearly see the parallels if you’re a fan of the character and the world. Personally I seen Grisons as more of a Carmine Falcone but I can see Thorn in his as well. Joe Chill was a two bit nobody mixing his character into the joker did him nothing but a favor imo.
When I was a kid, my siblings and I would always joke about the way he was a pancake on the ground at the end, but still laughing. 😂😂😂
I always thought it was creepy, but also being a dumb child I thought they would find a way to bring him back in a later movie. Like it was a coma and he'd wake up to terrorize Gotham again one day. lol
LET's GET NUTS!!!!
It's so Iconic.
Both men made each other. Joker made Batman, Batman made the Joker.
Has anyone edited the joker inti the shinning yet?
2:00 full Beetlejuice voice👍
2:06
2:05 😂
@@danielwilliamson6180now, you want to get 🥜!? 2:08 come on, let’s get 🔩!
I always felt that way until I saw this video. He really is doing that to draw The Jokers attention away from Vicki
This movie was beyond amazing when I saw it in the theater the first time, I watch all of the the original movies every December
Michael Keaton is my Batman. He's the bar on which i rate every other Batman. I try to watch Batman and Batman Returns at least once a year. Batman returns was the first one I got to see in theaters.
this is the moment where Bruce Wayne snaps; before this point he hadn't killed anyone but that second that Bruce knew who Joker really is... from that moment onwards all bets are off and Batman starts killing goons and the Joker in cold blood
I think deep down he knew who the guy was after he heard the name 'Jack Napier'. Joker seems to remember the mugging during their final battle. It just took those few words to bring out that suppressed memory.
@@seijakarjalainen if he knew his parents killer was Jack Napier he would've killed him at Axis Chemicals; you see it in Bruces face when Joker utters that "dance with the Devil" line to him... all the pieces clicked in that moment for him which is also why we get the flashback to his parents murder while hes staring at video of the Joker
I don't know if this scene telegraphs that Bruce Wayne has decided to *kill* Joker/Jack Napier. At the end of the film, he holds onto the flailing Joker's arm for more than just a passing second. His initial or usual instinct would be to pull him up per his "no kill" rule (In Nolan's Batman, Joker literally is left (alive) flailing from a building). In Burton's ending, I'd say Bruce Wayne/Batman truly does ponder for a moment or two whether he should save him or not.
Regardless, it's a great scene because its so unique in the whole "Batman universe" because it involves Bruce--not as Batman--actually face-to-face quarreling with the bad guys. The public distinction between Bruce & Batman is *usually* black & white. The closest other episode I could think of would also be from Nolan's TDK at the cocktail party for Harvey Dent. However, Bruce intentionally avoids confronting Joker--albeit acting out of (public) character for Bruce when disarms one of the henchmen with a quick move of his hands.
Yes it does. He’s just in disguise as Bruce Wayne
Vicky's scream was really annoying. Chill girl, you're dating Bruce, and you see Batman regularly.
80’s 90’s screaming in movies was mandatory I think. It was the era of scream queens after all.
@BuzbyGaming it is jarring listing to it today.
Quite the contrary. She's a wonderful screamer. Her screaming performance is impeccable. She certainly delivers on that department.
That constant and incessant screaming annoyed a LOT of people!
I think falling from the sky and being confronted by the Joker would make any women scream.😂😂😂😂😂
I always wondered if joker could still "function" down there since the nerves were severed
@@petersmithyy4556 The Nerves that got severed were in his face from the ricocheting bullet he bounced off Batman’s gauntlet. However taking a swim in a vat of chemicals can’t be good for a 3 piece set either…
But when Batman confronted Joker at the cathedral about his parents Joker didn't know what he was talking about and Batman didn't reveal his identity to him.
The Joker playing dumb Or was legit confused the dude was just gut punched and thrown through a wall. But Just before getting punched off the ledge he says.
“I was a kid when I killed your parents… You wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses would ya?”
Joker was playing stupid honestly trying to get out of it because he knew he fucked up good when Batman mentions it to him
He wanted the Joker to know why Batman, not Bruce Wayne existed. The Joker wasn't surprised by the truth because he knows he did kill alot of innocent people prior to becoming the Joker.
💯💯💯💯💯💯
2:06 I think it’s the same shouting as Beetlejuice.
This movie is one of my favorite tim burton films because of the story and lore.
It's awesome and sets the bar for Batman imo. I hope maybe since DC now has a multiverse after beetlejuice we can get the two of them to make a 3rd movie in the Burtonverse.
0:54 me too
Technically Bruce Wayne is always Batman
If You went and seen a Batman movie and it was 2 hours of Bruce Wayne wouldn’t you be disappointed even if just a little? I know I would.
prince had a song for this movie
More than one. He wrote the soundtrack for the film.
He was out for blood after realizing the joker offed his parents.
My all time favorites batman movie
Mine too, Keaton was my Batman growing up. The first movie i ever seen in theaters was Batman Returns.
In my opinion, what bruce wayne was doing here was that he realized that he would be fighting the joker as batman and had to portray himself in such a way that the joker could never connect that they were the same person. All his actions here are for the future.
Later at the cathedral when Batman says “You killed my parents” the joker said “I was a kid when I killed your parents” so The Joker likely knew he was Batman for sometime before hand or realize it then and there at the Cathedral rooftop. Either way Joker didn’t seem to care and Batman didn’t seem too worried about it at that point either. But I like your idea. Bruce has always been a strategist.
I like how in this Michael Keaton does his Beetlejuice voice when he yells and breaks that thing it’s nice looking forward to the new Beetlejuice and like I keep saying I keep praying that Warner Brothers will let Michael Keaton play Batman one more time but at least if not, he will be iconic for the room, but we’ll see what happens
They did let him play Batman one more time in the Flash movie. It was pretty cool.
Yeah Keaton was the best part of the movie. Him coming back was the only reason I bought a ticket... Just sucks that the only parts worth watching was the parts he was in.
Actually Batman was in the scene.
Outside of his suit. BATMAN without his Bat suit is….. Bruce Wayne.
YOU WANNA GET NUTS????
COME ON... LET'S GET NUTS!!!
I was always pretty sure he was telling the truth about Alicia. He disfigured her deliberately and she couldn't live with herself not being beautiful any more. That was a classic Joker move.
Agreed, But also a big Joker move would be to kill her and tell people she did it to herself… and giggle because only you know the truth. Mine was just an opinion. Thats what I love about Tim Burton he gives you enough to assume what you want… but both outcomes are true to the character.
@@BuzbyGamingcorrect joker is a practical joker he lives to make himself laugh and no one else.
Apparently there is a deleted scene of this but they would of got an R/18 rating.
Ah. Technically, Batman isn’t normal.
Imagine if Batman did away with his morality and became a violent psychotic vigilante.
Wait. Has he ever been push to that. 😮
but, Bruce Wayne IS Batman
Yeah But.... But... He wasn't in the suit. I mean ... He was in a suit... But Not THE Suit.
The single worst scene in this movie. You probably liked the Acolyte as well.
Grow up.
Le plus ouf au final,c bruce!
Bruce wayne is actually HULK
Is my name porky in cinema 🎥
No he’s Batman but if you bought a movie ticket and it was just 2 hours of Bruce Wayne you’d be disappointed if he was never in the actual Batman suit right? I know they are 1 in the same but “Batman” ain’t in the scene Bruce Wayne is.
Everyone knows Joe Chill took the Waynes not Napier/Joker.
Yeah that is true but in this Universe Jack Napier is the killer. Making the final showdown more personal. Honestly though I am a fan of the comics Napier killing the Wayne’s and creating Batman then Batman accidentally dropped Napier and created the Joker. It was poetic for them to have created each other then be destined to destroy each other. However I always prefer The Joker to not have a “Real Name” and just be that opposite force to Batman.
@@BuzbyGamingme too.
3:20 this younger version of Jack Napier sinister 😈 is even more scary than Jack Nicholson.
They replaced Joe Chill & Rupert Thorn with Jack Napier and Carl Grisome. You need to think of it like that.
this isn't the most important scene.
Vale finally realized he was Batman after he tried to tell her, as well as, how he faked his death and ninja'd his way out of her apartment. That was important.
This scene sets up all the pieces to push into the ending of the movie. Jokers obsession with Vicky, Bruce about to tell Vicky (a reporter) that he’s Batman because he likes her a lot and wants to be honest. Joker saying the line that makes Bruce remember that he killed his parents.
This scene is the literal turning point of the movie that sets to two biggest characters on a collision course with each other. If this scene isn’t the most important and pivotal moment, I’m interested to hear what is.
@@BuzbyGaming it also helps Vicky, realize who is Batman.
The subtle nuances of the Batman 89' is lost on a lot of people, comic book fans especially at the time because everything wasn't explained to them like it was in the comics. Later history repeats itself with The Dark Knight trilogy where the exposition is telling you everything and fans are bias because the subtle nuances were completely lost when you compare Batman 1989 to The Dark Knight.
Well the best thing to do is Separate the movie versions and the comic versions, they play off each other but as much as every run of the character is alike, they all have awesome difference's. That is why I TRY to give movie vs comics a chance because you never know how it might work in favor of the overall character...BUT... But like The newer version of the crow, it strays too far IMO... it is to the detriment of the character. I back away.
There are also more than one Batman narrative in the comics, too. The Batman "origin story" (I've grown to hate the term) was rehashed multiple times in the comics. Didn't get stale, especially as new characters were added . . . but added in a way that they changed anything fundamental.
Batman existed long before Carmine Falcone appeared, for example. The whole "Dark Knight" comic series, of course, is just one of many series in the overall franchise.
I can tell you realize--like me--that 1989 Batman is solely underappreciated.
Ugh. AI narrations. Clicked off immediately. No more of this channel. I'll get my bat-goodness elsewhere.
I had a really really bad cold, I just wanted to get the video out. sorry but yeah, You are correct it is an AI voice. Believe Me though.... This very free AI voice was much more bearable then my raspy cracking voice that week. I use AI very sparingly only when I can't do the Voice over myself. I am a 1 man crew here. Nobody can stand in and if you miss a week making content at my numbers it's a fight to get back. Sorry it wasn't to your standards . I hope you'll give the channel another try in the future. have a great weekend.
If only he didn't kill Joker at the end
if only what?
@@plasticweapon It just felt wrong to see him tie a rope around Joker's foot and let him fall
Batman ‘89 sucked and this scene really sucked. It was the suckiest suck that ever sucked.
@@ThePeachtree69 and that’s your opinion. Just like the video it’s an opinion but quick question… if the movie sucked and the scene sucked… why did you click on the video? Why leave a comment? Is it for the attention? Does people disagreeing or arguing with you get your rocks off? Because factually you’re wrong.
Every Batman actor and movie since has been compared to Batman 89. The entire reason Batman even wears black or is in Armor in modern movies is because of 89. Not just Batman is compared, The Joker, Penguin as well as Catwoman. 89 and returns are the benchmark for which all modern Batman movies and measured. Basically I guess what I’m telling you is Robert Pattinson, which I am assuming is your favorite is nothing more than a pale imitation.
Everything movie wise was ripped from Tim Burtons Batman movies. My Opinion is try to develop better taste because the only other Batman that is close is Ben Affleck and the only reason that is…is because he’s the closest to comic book accurate. Hope you have a better day and thanks for checking out the channel.
Damn, Keaton's acting was so cringe in this.
It was meant to be, He wasn’t actually angry he playing an actor playing a character that can’t act. ( He’s the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude )
@@BuzbyGaming Actually Bruce Wayne's acting skills should be much better than this cause he constantly pretends to being someone he's not when he's in public.
Jack becoming the Joker really saved this film. I did not like the pre-transformation Jack Napier in this or cartoons. I don't think a creative genius would work for someone like Carl or Sal. Museum scene was pretty mid too. I know people disliked the town hall scene but creativity of it was great. I know people also wondered how police reacted to gun shots so quickly during the Wayne mugging. Jack could have pretty easily dropped a young Bruce but was talked out of it by a Bob like figure. There were a lot of issues but Jack Nicholson did justice to Mr J we all know and love.
The worst scene in this overrated film...
Cap
Yeah it’s normal while on the internet to seek out and watch scenes from movies you don’t like. Then negativity comment about them to the people that do.
@@BuzbyGaming What can I say,vim a glutton for punishment. Still a terrible movie, though.
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@@RickyNuggets More like a joker, actually.