Rock 'n' Roll Mania! (w/Martin Popoff)
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- Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff for a discussion of artists who created, either for a short time or a longer period, a true feeling of 'rock 'n' roll mania'!
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The fact that Kiss wasn't even mentioned in this show is jaw dropping - they were the second band I thought of after The Beatles.
But it was nice to have Bon Jovi make a rare appearance on SoT, lol. I was definitely part of the 80s Bon Jovi mania - and it was mania! Screaming girls, millions upon millions of albums sold all over the world, massive tours - even going to the old Soviet Union as one of the first Western bands ever - and on the cover of pop AND rock magazines on a weekly basis. MTV couldn't get enough of them, a new video coming out was always an event. They were huuuuge. And they survived the grunge movement too with flying colors.
Yea surprised Kiss wasn't mentioned.
No KISS mentioned was shocking
In Australia, Kiss caused the sort of mania that only the Beatles had achieved before. No other band has had a public reception at the Sydney Town Hall, with surrounding streets closed, and given the ‘keys to the city’.
@@kevinlewis1248 right. I never understood KISS mania tbh.
The general public never liked Kiss, 70s kiss was confined to grade schoolers and older stoners
Pete's poker-face when Martin is discussing The Clash lasts a few seconds, before he just has to mouth "Except me". Classic!
Great topic today. As usual/ every Friday. Thanks. Martin/ Pete 👍💯
The first one to come to mind is Peter Frampton with "Frampton Comes Alive" For a while it got constant air play and was all anyone was talking about. You couldn`t avoid it.
It was HUGE in its day, like the first Boston album
Frampton Comes Alive and Fleetwood Mac's Rumours are the 2 albums that redefined the music market in terms of how many units it was possible to sell. Before that, albums were selling a lot of copies, but there was generally a ceiling to how many they would sell (even Beatles albums). But after Frampton and F. Mac there wasn't really a ceiling anymore.... which led to the runaway success of Back in Black and Thriller.
"I don't know what the truth of this is, or if I'm making stuff up, BUT...." hehe. I'm gonna use that from now on
A version of Bill Maher's bit "I Don't Know It For a Fact... I Just Know It's True"
I think the reason young kids latch onto the Doors or at least a majority of them is because the words are hypnotic and for some there is a message. I believe the same can be said for Kurt kobain, Chris Cornell (solo stuff), Chester Bennington (Linkin Park). The lyrics are dark and almost mysterious. I’m glad John Mellencamp was mentioned. I saw him in high school and was completely surprised how good he was.
Kurt Cobain sucks
So sick of him being compared to Morrison and being some sort of "poet." Enough already. Grunge sucks. And they made two crappy albums. Unplugged was a joke. All heroined out and catatonic. The guy blew his own head off. What a hero
Man what a good point Martin made about the Stones creating classic rock. Have never thought of it that way. Guy is so insightful
KISS of The 1970s should have been mentioned. Absolute sensation, mania, mystery & power.
So much iconic imagery as well. The Album covers, posters, magazine covers, billboards. The classic lunchbox, the Kiss comic book, ferchrissakes!
Lived through that era, so I well know that KISS was very much like a "70s Beatles" for a whole lotta kids teens and young adults.
As we know, a lot of the great bands feature distinct members of the group, where "each one" is indelible and highly charismatic (eg, The Who, The Beatles, Zep, Rush, Queen, etc.) Theres no doubt that Kiss had that in spades, but then you must add in the "mystery" factor with them as well, which, in the 70s was palpable, intriguing, and unlike anything else.
The tour of Japan in '77 was absolutely off the charts too. Total Beatles-like insanity.
I do think that Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Bowie, early VH and maybe even Blondie are good choices for this as well.
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Marc
19:00 I think the exposition on The Beatles was pretty good, and happy to hear mention of the psychology of the JFK assassination. Though it is nearly impossible to summarize their impact in 10 minutes. They didn't just start the British invasion, as Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band helped launch psychedelic rock (the Summer of Love) and prog rock. "All You Need Is Love" was their message for the first live global TV link, and the list goes on endlessly.... fun show!
First band I thought of was GNR. Did I think Pete would mention them though? To my surprise he does! Kudos.
People forget how absolutely massive they were.
Why shouldn‘t he. Perfect example!
The Doors have world wide appeal. They are a very American band with Indigenous influence/themes; American blues, but there’s European gypsy, Middle Eastern droning, African rhythms, Eastern European cathedral and orchestral production qualities.
Martin mentioning The Smiths made me think about The Stone Roses,from what I read I think there definitely was a big mania in the UK for this band (around when their debut album came out), but for quite a short time.
Then also came the mania around Blur and Oasis.
I actually asked this question for the q&a last week but i posted it too late. But im glad they just happened to have addressed that topic here. They kinda went off on a different path , with picking some low level mainas or some interesting revivals like the early 80s doors revival. Which was really odd because jim was long gone by then. My version of a "maina" is , selling obscene amounts of records, massive, critical acclaim, huge huge tour, and having a major influence not just on music but things outside music. With Jacksons thriller album , madonna circa 1989, Beatlemania, elvis mid 50s, these artists did all that plus broke down boundaries. Musically, culturally, sexually, racially, .etc. They did stuff no one had seen before. Jackson also took mtv and music videos to a unthinkable level too. Swift isnt necessarily breaking down borders, but she has managed to have this convergence of factors that all peaked at the sane time. Already mega popular , her masters re-recordings, hasnt toured since pre COVID, shes in stadiums,. She put out 2 slbums during 2020 when she was supposed to be touring for her 2019 album. Then she put out abother one in 2022. So she basically was gonna tour for 4 albums . But then it became this greatest hits tour. But shes not a 60 year past her prime artist, shes a mega superstar doing a best of tour while shes still in her prime. And her new music and re recordings are selling. Add in shes doing 3 hour show, put it all together, and u got a maina. She got everyone who ever liked her a little bit to absolutely running in the streets hysterical love her to come together at this moment in time . And when u been around 17 years and 10 plus albums of material thats all been highly successful, and u do that , you have hit god tier level popularity.
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Even though I'm not a fan of Kiss, they're a band that I've known my entire life. Their music is featured in movies and TV shows, the makeup is iconic, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are always in the public eye, and there's tons of Kiss merchandise. Plus, Kiss videos manage to pop up on my CZcams feed for some strange reason. The mania surrounding Kiss is insane!
Yea, I'm surprised Kiss wasn't mentioned with their outburst in the mid-late 70's.
Martin's picks are crazy :D
He always picks these obscure artists no one has ever heard of. Here he had to pick big bands but still goes for the not so big ones!
Martin improves the show by having a different perspective. If everyone shared Pete’s preferences, it would be boring. Pete admits this by saying he was a Metal Head in the 80s. “Metal Head” implies the rejection of punk, new wave, punk/post punk, pop…everything except Me’al 🤘
You're right, though.
Husker Dü a mania band? You gotta to be kidding me.
1940s - Frank Sinatra
1950s - Elvis
1960s - The Beatles
1970s - Elton John
1980s - Michael Jackson
Correction
1970s. Led Zeppelin
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Gotta go with E. J.
@@winstonsyme5899 Elton had fans of all age groups and was also a critics choice.
@@ilj1259 All time great 70's act but I like VERY little he's done since (unfortunately - he's one of my very first album purchases)
90s - Backstreet Boys/ N'sync
I'm hopping the upcoming Rolling Stones album does well. It would be great to see a big selling album of new rock music make an impact.
It will sell. The first single is doing great, The Stones albums always do well.
When I was working at a record store in the late 80s-90's the mania with Metallica's Black Album was immense. We had a line in front of our store on release day. That was the only time our store had a line for a release. The Cure may have had a mania about them from about 87-92. 10,000 Maniacs is my Popoff REM of the late 80's/early 90's. Natalie Merchant's lyrics for songs like Don't Talk, Like the Weather, Trouble Me and Noah's Dove were important to my young self.
I remember being an 18 year old taking summer college classes. On August 12, 1991 I bought the Black Album at the record store that was only two blocks from the school.
Eddy Vedder was a great replacement for Jim Morrison at the Rock Hall of Fame concert. Talk about a mania event😮.
Please. Vedders a clown
Popoff and Pardo are at it again to discuss their views of fan and band mania and some interesting choices here. The primary three of my youth in the 60s - Elvis, the Beatles and the Stones - got some discussion along with a variety of others. Another fascinating discussion show, gents, so offering the usual thanks. There ya go!
It might get funnier for all of us gents when we reach post #237, let‘s see.
Do u feel the stones had that fever pitch the Beatles did ? . If I'm looking at it on paper , i see the stones as a band that ranged from popular to really really popular for a 30 + year period . When I considered them a full time band as far as consistent releases go. The debut album through bridges to Babylon. But they don't seem to have reached the going nuts in the streets peak at one moment in time like some of the others. Since u were there , is that the case ? Of course maintaining that level of popularity for over 30 years of releases is one of the greatest achievements in the history of music so. The Beatles nor Elvis lasted 30 years . Michael Jackson, at least as a adult solo artist , did not make it make 30 years with anywhere near the same amount of releases. Madonna, does have 30 years of hits , but again, not as many releases.
@@matg5760 Thanks for the questions. When the Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan, I was a few days from becoming 8 and I was just a teenager when the 60s ended. So my recollections are likely tainted some as can happen to 60 year old memories. For a lot of us "kids", the Stones quickly became more identified with the rebellious part of the counterculture of those early years of rock and roll. Though the Beatles moved more past their initial mostly pop sound with Rubber Soul, they always seemed to be considered the "clean cut guys" (despite the original complaints about their "long" hair) in the ongoing competition of the two bands in the hearts and minds of the fans. The Stones were viewed as the bad boys of the time. Album released from each here in the U.S. were awaited anxiously and arguments endless about which band was better. It could be argued that they were the two most popular bands of the 60s. The Rolling Stones were a touring juggernaut even after the Beatles quit touring so the live performance further enhanced the band. Both caused either riots or mobs. Never saw the Beatles but saw the Stones on tour in November '94 where they managed to fill our local college football stadium [somewhere between 60k 75k fans]. Even then, tickets were a challenge to get. So for awhile, both bands seemed to engender the same type of mania in the rock and roll fans of the time. It will be interesting how the legacy of the Stones goes on in the future when they no longer tour. Need to stop rambling now. Hope this answers your question and thanks again.
Late 1998 to 2001 nu-metal was a definite kind of rock mania. Lyrics about the pain inside, crawling and getting away. All those bands went a gazillion times platinum in the states. Videos played ad nauseam on channels that weren’t even playing grunge. Every band dressing up in baggy jeans, backwards caps, and standing around looking like tough guys in photo shoots surrounded by supermodels on every magazine cover in every grocery store on the planet.
White guys in matching tracksuits always made me ignore a band.
There definitely was a big hype around System of a Down in the late 1990s, early 2000s.
If you watch old shows from the 90s on CZcams you can tell by the crowds attending that this band built themselves a big fanbase very quickly.
Greetings from Wales. Here in the UK obviously we had The Beatles and Ziggy era Bowie and T.Rex mania. Also The Bay City Rollers but they probably won’t be on your radar.
The "tartan teen sensations from Edinburgh" & the "biggest group since the Beatles". I still clearly recall lunging for the radio dial (yes this was way before the interweb) when S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y Night came on, desperate to put on something (anything) else. Just sayin'. Sold something like 120 million records worldwide, what do I know...? T Rex is one of my earliest "favorite" bands (in Germany) along with The Beatles, before I knew anything about Bowie
I would add Queen as long term mania. Who else could have a documentary made about just one song!? There are of course many other documentaries made about the band and until Oppenheimer Bohemian Rhapsody was the biggest grossing biopic ever
Absolutely and the fact they are still playing to big arenas and stadiums around the world. Adam lambert in the band should’ve be queen at all, but the masses don’t care as long as the name is out there people will go. Amazing they are still big worldwide
Queen is so much more than one song and the movie wasn’t about that song at all.
@@janpoelkamp4229 I was just citing a couple of things that still makes them so popular even today. As I said what other song has a whole documentary dedicated to it? It seems there is a mania about the band and especially Freddie since he died.
Also, where did I say the movie was about the song? I was making the point that it was the biggest box office biopic (there’s a clue) in film history.
Yeah, 'Bohemian Rhapsody' did big business for Queen and introduced the band to younger generations of fans.
@@lateramae yes, still the movie has a very bad screenplay. Everything else incl. acting and most of the cast were great.
Agree 100% with Martin on R.E.M. I had the same experience when I was in college. I still do love those first 5 albums, especially "Fables of the Reconstruction" and "Life's Rich Pageant." Even though I'm more into metal and prog, like Pete.
In college 83-88 I was a total fusion head and had no clue about Indie Rock! REM bleh! almost 40 years later I appreciate that type of music as much as Return to Forever.
Being from the UK I was around in the mid 1990s when Oasis mania hit which saw their first three albums selling combined sales of just under ten million copies in the UK but by the time of the release of their fourth album in the early 00s that mania had died away
They were bigger then the Beatles....🤮
An album and a half and enough arrogance to prolongue the hype for 3 albums.
Be Here Now sucks and What’s The Story… truthfully isn’t nearly as good as the debut. Most of the best songs back then were b-sides.
By the time Be Here Now got released the world was tired of them and despite the predictably overcooked, hyped-up reviews the album was a careershattering disappointment.
Oasis tried to recreate what the Beatles were with Xer snarkiness. They were a commercial success but a cultural failure. The Beatles were catchy, melodic, experimental, diverse, and are timeless. Oasis was unoriginal, cocky, arrogant, repetitive, whiny, and are dated.
Beatles ripoff. Crappy pop nonsense
The first album was a very cool indie rock band. Sure I can hear the Beatles influence but I can in a number of other bands. I thought there was a cool Beatles/Clash/Jam/Sex Pistols blend right at the start. I thought Oasis had their own sound regardless and initially I liked their swagger.
The problem was that eventually they became every ‘Lad’s favourite band, the favourite of every meathead and football yob that you might encounter at the pub.
They played up to- and overplayed- the Beatles comparisons.
Spot on comments about The Doors. My son is 33 (born in 1990) and he doesn't like most classic rock...he likes hip hop, modern extreme, doom metal, dub...but he loves The Doors. I can't figure it out either! I have asked him what it is about them that he likes...and he says he's not really sure it's just the overall sound of their music.
Love the mention of R.E.M. and The Smiths and how important both bands were to indie and alternative music from the early '80s to now. While Stipe & Co. have retired the name, the individual members remain busy and Morrissey is still pissing people off haha. Don't care. Love both bands.
I got my orange crush
R.E.M. is a great inclusion. The ‘college circuit’ in the ‘80 though wasn’t about campus shows. In the US it was about the dominance of college radio, the emerging underground bands and the amazing local scenes that sprung up amongst all that. This is where REM made their bones
Trash band
I was working at a record store in Worcester, MA - early '80s. We sold t-shirts, including a Doors one, with a picture of Jim Morrison. Teenage girls loved that particular shirt.
Elton John! Elton John! Elton John! Elton John! Elton John! (Unbelievable no mention of him?)
Nice to see REM get some attention. Not the usual SoT fare, but I've loved them since my college years too. Those first four albums were the best. You guys were right about them not quite having a classification, at least early on. The term "alternative" was starting to get some traction around that time.
For Doors mania, you can include the story that Jim is still alive, just like Elvis
Yeah, and it's hard to believe that those guys even lived as long as they did!
@@gwts1171 yep, if Morrison did fake his death I don’t think he would clean up, definitely would off OD eventually.
Hüsker Du, The Replacements (Mats), Minutemen/fIREHOSE, R.E.M. Very important bands.
The Clash - Give em Enough Rope is an often overlooked rekkid. It's mostly a hard rock album and produced by Sandy Pearlman.
i remember in hs/college the mania around Nirvana & Kurt Cobain in 91 - 94
Kiss in the seventies. Talk about mania.
They had an Army!
Maybe for fourth graders and stoned teenagers, the general public was correct in their assumption
Wow! This episode is full of great bands metal heads are supposed to hate. 😁
Hahahaha!
On REM, The Smiths, Husker Du, The Replacements, and many other bands which began in the '80s, and were not easily classified-- in the '80s, I remember them being described, variously, as "modern rock," "postmodern rock," "college rock," and "cutting edge." Especially in their early days, Husker Du and The Replacements were musically influenced by punk, but REM and The Smiths were much softer. What unites them all? I'm not sure! 🙂
Metallica when the black album came out. The mainstream went nuts.
Totally, I hated it back then.
Great to hear John Mellencamp get some praise on SOT. Even now he’s making good interesting albums.
We had a sign on that particular shirt that said, "I'm Jim, and I'm dead, but I can live on you for only $6.99 (I can't remember the price)." Many kids asked what that meant. They had no clue that Morrison was dead.
1. The Beatles
2. The Rolling Stones
3. Kiss
4. Metallica
5. Iron Maiden...maybe not in the US, but in most of the world.
yes, the boys are back in our rock n roll hearts😃
T. Rex with the T. Rexstasia from 1971 to 1973. Great Teenage years then.
"T. Rexstasia" - sounds like a disease...
English publicist BP Fallon coined the term "T. Rextasy" as a parallel to Beatlemania to describe the group's popularity.(source: Wikipedia)
Falls come to florida , it's a high of 87 today! Feels better than 97 to 105
Loved this episode and can't argue against any of the pics.
The conversation today brings up.. maybe... an interesting topic of bands that were huge elsewhere but not in the States...Blue Rodeo, Biffy Clyro, Manic Street Preachers...
Nick Cave is a rock star. And a mania. 🤩
Im 46 always heard the name , where should i start for his best stuff?
@@bubbadaggerMaybe start with Murder Ballads or The Boatman's Call. My take on Nick Cave's music is that it's consistently very good but hardly ever gets into truly exceptional territory.
The Cougar had excellent music videos. Really well done.
Clash is an interesting one. Seems being too British wasn't too much of an issue, not sure where Martin is with that - they wouldn't be playing stadiums if so. They imploded about the time they really cracked the US so it probably seems like it was a quick fad or mania but the inter-band problems with Joe and Mick with them having severe issues with management (and owing a shedload of cash with the flop of Sandanista) ended them before it needed to. I think there was a lot more to be done with them.
" being too British" - maybe affected The Kinks at some points, especially with their concept albums, and definitely The Jam
The Clash are a borderline-at-best case to me. Perhaps they were on the verge of becoming a true worldwide "mania" band when they broke up, but I'm not convinced they got all the way there.
R.E.M. was such an awesome band. There may have been greater bands before but none since.
YES mania ! Mid 70s.
Martin, I’m a huge fan of your Album By Album series and I’ve done a video about it. Would you ever consider doing one on The Beatles? It would do record breaking sales.
There was definitely a college circuit for RnR bands starting in the 60's through the 90's particularly. The college venues were volunteer efforts, often led by the campus radio station. It was normally a not for -profit venture where tickets just floated the next potential concert. Depending on the College density, some bands could play 3-4 times a week within a 50 mile radius. When I was playing college DJ 84'-87ish; there were Non-Aor or non Pop bands ,Metal/Hard-Rock , Punk/Hardcore or just generically College. College was such a catch-all because Bands/Management would inundate College stations with new releases; hoping to get some traction before hitting up the big players.
I really miss the "college rock" years. I only got to witness it firsthand for a few years, since Nirvana hit when I was 14 and kind of ruined the whole scene. I love Nirvana, but college rock was a catchall, which made it so great. Everybody from Devo to The Cure to R.E.M. to Los Lobos to Jane's Addiction was under the umbrella and everybody loved it.
i teach hs & i remember about ten years ago one of my sophomore students pulling a cd copy of “LA Woman” by the Doors out of her bag
A very interesting and well-treated topic. When I think about a "-mania!" I think of a cultural that extended beyond the music. That's why very important and influential bands don't make it to this list. There's no doubt that Elvis and The Beatles were the prototype for the mania phenomenon. I literally had goosebumps when the Doors were discussed, and I agree with everything that was said. Bands I would also put in that list would be Queen's resurrection after the Bohemian Rhapsody movie which made them bigger than they ever were. I would also put Metallica/ACDC as a mania phenomenon, which was a cultural thing with kids in the early 90s. I think I would call Nirvana-mania a bigger mania than the Pearl Jam mania, especially since it was bigger world-wide and broke way beyond the music business. Sex Pistols were more culturally impactful than The Clash. Can't see how you chose them over the Pistols. REM, U2, GnR are valid selections too, IMO.
If you talk about the last 20 years, all pop phenomena artists (too many to mention them all here) are no longer in the rock'n roll mindset and other genres have taken over like hip-hop, latin pop, electro-pop, k-pop and stuff like that.
Yes Prince was extremely huge! He is my favorite musician of all time!
Overrated
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Seriously, I have never understood the interest in Prince! Extremely overrated.
Right on, Pete! I’m also a fall/winter guy. 👍
BEATles -pronounced with a sharp T- like Beat. Not beadles! Few Americans seem know how to pronounce their name. But Pete is right. They are the ultimate example of this topic. Martin's previous admission that he has never bothered to learn which Beatles songs come from which albums amazes me. Of all the bands to neglect appreciating their musical development he picks the greatest of all!
...Huge Topic Indeed for a. AWSOME volley and Deep Dive for Memories and as usual Many New additions to my Arsenal of Rock Info ....SOT Rocks ....All the Damn Time 😎! Thanx Guys
Great topic gentlemen
For a time in the mid 80's there was a segment of media and fans that called Duran Duran the Fab 5
Great stuff about The Doors and Jim Morrison guys
these 2 so good
REM was my fave band and still is. They were big in Europe and influenced bands like Radiohead and Coldplay.
Great episode, at first I was thinking, did Martin get the assignment (REM/Clash)? Anyways Duran Duran had their 15 minutes. I still see lots of high school kids with Zeppelin shirts but not as much the doors. The doors were a band i thought would last forever like the Beatles. I was surprised to see Iron Maiden transition to the next generation of kids (good surprise).
I think Martin was going for the whole , some bands had a maina going on , but within a certain demographic or genre or group of people. I get those guys are not gonna break down the careers of pop artists . Because this is a Rock channel. Hell it's a jazz channel before it's a pop channel.. lol. It's a very very tricky question.
"Destroyer" by the Kinks is such a great song!
Bay City Rollers mania in Europe in the mid-70s. And oh, didn't the Ramones also mention them as an influence? In Finland, there was a big rockabilly mania in the late '70s/early '80s; obscure British bands like Matchbox and Crazy Cavan became fairly big here.
You should Meet the Beagles!
They are England's No 1 pup combo!
Only artists, that I can think of, that would have the mania tag attached to them would be: Elvis, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones (maybe). In more recent times, sort of, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Taylor Swift, and Metallica; but to me, all of these are maybes. Plenty of very successful artists out there but to be huge enough to generate a mania-like frenzy, I'd say, it's pretty rare.
I would like to put fourth Metallica when the Black album was released. They were a phenomenon from 91 to 94 during that tour and album run. They were on the cover of the Rolling Stone 3 times. They were everywhere.
Another band I thought of was Def Leppard during the Pyromania era. They were massive and then with Hysteria even got bigger.
Yea, Metallica can be easily mentioned. Obviously still huge to this day.
Awesome show again. Look forward to next week's Led Zeppelin challenge!!
Great as always.
Guns And Roses mania 90-93
This video inspired me to look up the top selling albums of all time in the USA. Hootie and the Blowfish sold 21 million “Cracked Rearview Mirror” units. This is unbelievable. How is this possible? I thought they were a bar band with one hit…maybe 100,000 albums sold tops…but 21 million???!!
They were on the radio constantly from 1994 to 1997.
Though never a huge fan, I remember four tunes from Cracked Rear View being in heavy rotation on the radio back in the mid-'90s, and the music videos received quite a bit of play on MTV. Hootie & The Blowfish's songs were decent; they definitely had more than one hit.
That fact has baffled me too. Lol.
This makes Hootie’s “Rearview” the number seven top selling album of all time in the USA. More than any Garth Brooks album ever sold. No overly handsome band member, no choreography or good dancing, no dynamic vocal range….it’s mind blowing
I am sort of understanding this phenomenon as their songs were very simple….Garth simple. They were lowest common denominator in many ways….weren’t too slow, not too fast, not too high, not too low. Nothing offensive or introspective. Mindlessness mid tempo you could play over the Walmart PA to stimulate people to buy things….but not too up tempo as to overstimulate/make people hurry.
Hi all.
Love the show to death. Long time viewer, fifth time commentator.
Great that the Kinks were included in this topic. Practically God-like to many of a certain age over here in the UK. When anybody asks you who do you prefer; The Beatles or The Stones? The answer should invariably be The Kinks.
Worth remembering that, at the height of the British Invasion, the band were subject to a four-year touring ban in the States sanctioned by the American Federation of Musicians. OK, The Kinks may have brought some of this on themselves with their antics etc, but a clear example of the punishment not befitting the crime. Who knows, perhaps some of the other 60s British bands wouldn’t have been as successful Stateside competing with the might of a fully functioning Kinks on the scene as well?
A little surprised KISS wasn't mentioned in this episode
Martin , if you back in 1980 . and choose 12. songs for "Sandinista " ( or 14. songs ) what songs do you choose ? 🙂 It is hard , i try so many times .
As I recall, you never discussed Kerry Livgren’s extremely serious stroke. He couldn’t speak, walk, or play any instruments. But. He recovered to write & play music for Proto-Kaw and for solo albums. You need to do a show on this fabulous songwriter & musician.
G N' R = the last giant rock act.
Pearl Jam never fell off a cliff, they are a amazing rock band. Their first four albums are amazing. From 1998 to 2002 their albums are a bit disappointing. But from 2006 and onward I think their albums are really good. I think Pete should give Pearl Jam a second chance, and then do a ranking the albums Pearl Jam show with Martin😉
I didn’t agree with Martin on the Nirvana/Pearl Jam thing. Nirvana was undoubtedly the ‘mania’ band. I could go around and ask people now, people still know who Kurt Cobain was. There would be a lot more vagueness about Eddie Vedder. Thats not a Pearl Jam criticism, I like them. But there was more hype and mania for Nirvana here in the UK, than there was for Pearl Jam.
@@jimmycampbell78Agreed. At the time, it did feel like they were both mania bands. But looking back now, I think it's clear that Nirvana was more of a mania band than Pearl Jam.
@@jimmycampbell78"I didn't agree with Martin on the Nirvana/Pearl Jam thing."
Same. That take left me scratching my head.
@@jimmycampbell78 Pearl Jam was huge in the US after Ten blew up. They were on the cover of Time magazine. All of the attention freaked Vedder out and they stopped doing music videos and avoided talking to the media. Nirvana started it all with Smells like Teen Spirtit and Cobain was mythologized when he died which really separated them from the other Seattle bands but there was defintely a mania around Pearl Jam from 1992-94. They were just as popular in those years as Nirvana until Cobain died.
By February 1993, American sales of Ten surpassed those of Nevermind, the breakthrough album by fellow grunge band Nirvana.
REM was labeled as Indie, for sure - mid-80's college boy speaking. College Rock as well. I heard the term College Radio Band as well..The minute the drummer left, game over
Rush?😀❤️
Haaa! Pete's face at 7:36. He should dog REM like Martin bagged on Child in Time. Definitely got Pete's back on that one. Child in Time (especially Made in Japan version) badass. REM s-u-x.
You seem butthurt that Martin is mentioning REM.
11:48 I believe the college circuit was _absolutely_ a thing in various parts of North America, at least around 1988-1993 and likely far before that.
In the mid 80s im Milwaukee REM played on a street corner in our at the time the hip part of time. We had no idea who they wore. Most of us just walked on by
Staying on rock only;
U2, Bruce Springsteen, Beatles, GN'R, Nirvana (def not my cup of tea), Bon Jovi, kiss, Rolling Stones, Queen. to me these would be the Mania rock artists over the years.
I experienced 3 manias.
Nirvana mania
Oasis mania in the UK
And Korn mania
I like all 3 .
A theme I seem to hear is marketing. These manias are craftily created via marketing. Pete so expertly demonstrated this with his examples of The Beatles and The Doors. Can there really be a “mania” without some type of marketing campaign to create it? As far as Mellencamp, his “marketing” is maybe the Farm Aide concerts.
Not sure if mentioned but perhaps Guns 'n' Roses. I remember reading an irate fan's letter to Rolling Stone, asking why Axl or the band was "mentioned in every issue" of the magazine. Rightly or wrongly, it seemed that RS had anointed GnR as the next "big thing" (around the time of the Use Your Illusions albums).
Yeah,the Doors/Morrison lyrics are really deep- "hello I love you won't you tell me you name". "C'mon baby light my fire try to set the night on fire". etc etc. The epitome of overrated. Now Springsteen...those are lyrics.
I was waiting for G'n'R to be picked. Wasn't disappointed. 😂
Stryper made a huge impact in the Christian Rock genre in the mid 80s, esp. thanks to videos on MTV.
Two band I thought of were Kiss & Metallica.
Bruce Springsteen is the first that springs to mind. "The future of rock n roll", the Time/Newsweek simultaneous covers, the epic live shows, a lot of subject matter about rock n roll mythology, definitely a 'messiah' element whether he sought that or not...
Nirvana. A lot of people suggest that it's only because of Cobain's suicide that they are regarded as so legendary, but they just took over everything completely for a while, and changed the heavy rock music scene, practically overnight.
Oasis. I cant think of another band from the UK that had quite so much of an impact (mainly but not solely contained WITHIN the UK to be fair) since possibly...The Beatles? I was never a fan, but you couldn't escape them. The records just kept selling and selling...they were on every magazine AND tabloid cover. From about 94 to 97 ish really. But the ongoing family drama, insults and speculations still make headlines.
To clarify, there are/were other far better or maybe actually 'bigger' selling bands overall, but that sustained mania (and I'm talking critical acclaim from 'credible' music journos as well as superpopstardom) for Oasis was like nothing I'd experienced before - and certainly nothing like it since.
c'mon where's The Monkees? not only huge in the 60s but a huge revival in 1986 and biggest tour of that year.
When it comes to Bruce Springsteen and John Cougar it was MTV-another guy who was all over the radio way more than them before that was Bob Seger. The first ever was Al Jolson. Bing Crosby. Frank Sinatra. Elvis. Led Zeppelin. John Denver. Eagles. Bob Dylan-early-mid '60's. Bay City Rollers. Michael Jackson. Donna Summer. Olivia Newton John. The Bee Gees. Madonna. Nirvana. Garth Brooks. Oasis. Fleetwood Mac. Whitney Houston. Boy George. Pat Benatar. Quiet Riot. Steve Martin. Eddie Murphy.
The lithmus test of whether a group ignited a mania is a wide age group. Pink Floyd The Wall, loved by both children and adults.