The Worst of Classic World of Warcraft
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Hey just wanted to give a few words about the video. Obviously I get into some pretty nasty stuff here. Toxicity isn't something I generally like to hang around because it usually just breeds and festers even more toxicity. That being said, I have about 300ish videos(at least) about classic so far, most of them sharing what I like about the game and what it does well. Over the past year some of these things were reinforced, and others....not so much. The community in particular, while it can be great, can also be REALLY bad - it's something I've been wanting to talk about for a while but took me about 10 months to be able to put it together in a way I wanted to. My past 3 months ranking also really opened up my eyes to how bad it can really get. I'm pretty proud of the channel overall not only for the (generally) positive community who follows it, but also because I share honestly what I think are the game's highlights and lowlights, and I'd be remiss if I only talk about the good and ignore the bad.
All that being said, as I said in the video I made lots of great friends in the game. I still think the community is one of its best aspects - but it's just like real life. For every great person you meet, there are many more you want nothing to do with - it's just amplified 10x due to the anonymity of it all. I tried to make the video mostly constructive, but also a bit entertaining(hopefully) so if nothing else you can walk away with a few laughs at the craziness that can go on.
That's about it - just wanted to include this little write-up since it's probably the most spicy video I've ever posted on here(or maybe it was my "Most Disappointing Moments" video? idk). Hope you enjoy regardless.
Thank you for being honest about the good, bad and ugly about this game. Love your content dude
I don't agree with your statement on bracket breakers and ninja looters.
1) Bracket Breakers. There are 2 aspects to this. 1, is that in my experience, the pvp stacking systems that servers create are inherently fair, because all it takes is 1 person to break brackets for the whole system to collapse. Therefore, the breakers usually have some kind of agenda or motive or even just plain paranoia which I believe justifies actions. 2, that is getting to rank 14 is a huge time investment for many people especially in more highly populated servers. If you spend 14 hours a day ranking, only to find out that it has to be extended by 2 weeks because someone broke, it's entirely understandable if you freak out IMO. Not to the extent of doxxing someone, but everything in game is IMO fair play.
2) Ninja looters. Similar to the above, the looting system in classic is fair. If you can't be trusted to play fair, then yes, why shouldn't people announce that you're an asshole?
All in all, I don't think the "its just a game bro" argument cuts it. How much time, energy and emotion you invest into an activity plays a part on how mad you will get if things go wrong, and plenty of people freak out over other real life activities too like sports. That doesn't justify RL actions like doxxing, yes, but anything in game is fair play to me. If you're an asshole in game, then you deserve to be shunned like one, like in real life.
@@jenniferkeates it's just a game bro
It's sad that the fact that you have to add this extra information is just a prove that what you said in the video is true
I agree 100 PERCENT. You get the best of the best, AND the worst of the worst in the WoW community with the online anonymous nature of communication. Most things people say online would never be said in person, for fear of being throat punched IRL. They’re mainly mouth breathers living in Moma’s basement eating hot pockets.
You know a community is pathetic when madseason cant keep monotone when discussing them
I lost it at this comment, too true 😂
Ah yes the community, the best and worst part of every game
Funny how community is something nobody remembers anymore. WoW got too single-player-y
the most fun I ever had in wow was provoking mediocre pvp'ers into raging in /2.
... never had to try very hard... they'd swallow that bait faster than your mom!
And the best
@@fathersimon3787 and when the non single player-y version came out (almost 1 year ago btw), its filled with neckbeards doxxing, threatening and trivializing the game to its fullest
i woudnt say everygame tho... worst of them all is Wow, dota. lol. every other gameing community can get toxic if ur begging for it... in clasic or retail, people pick on you just bc of ur gear or achivment points...
Story time!
When I started playing WoW in TBC I leveled mostly solo until I met an undead Warrior named Grim who was leveling in Hellfire. We instantly became friends and he asked me if I wanted to join this guild he was a part of called The Broken. Real life was not going well at that point in time for me so I decided what the hell why not. To this day I do not regret that decision. I found a family in that guild that I have never experienced online since. Eli and her Husband ran the guild. They had children in RL but to me it seemed like they genuinely cared for everyone like we were part of their family as well. I became friends with a druid name Dia and bonded with many others. None of us really knew anything but we enjoyed questing and leveling and helping one another out. I was one of the first to hit 70 in that guild and many would soon follow me. Everyone worked together to get everyone to 70 so we could all be 70 together. I got the feeling that, while no one really talked about it, some of us were playing WoW as a way to dodge things in real life that we didn't want to deal with or were not happy with. WoW was our escape and the guild was a social environment we could all lean on.
About 4 months later we had enough people at level 70 to step into raiding and a Hunter in the guild named Max was very keen to attempt Kara. So everyone discussed it and decided we would give it a try for Max and to see what it was like. Our first raid night came and went and all we succeeded at doing was clearing trash to Maiden and wiping on her quite a bit. I think that night it was made apparent to Max that our guild was not destined to be a raid clearing one. We were not raid clearing god gamers. A lot of us were not good at WoW or games in general. We were just a handful of nerds who bonded by having fun experiencing and screwing around in a fantasy video game online together. I'm not really sure why but if I had to guess a raid night was never setup again because of our poor performance and because most of us didn't have any interest in doing it ever again.
A few months later Eli and her Husband announced to the guild that they were going to stop playing WoW. They had children to raise and couldn't justify spending the time or money they had on the game anymore. We all understood but it was still sad to see them go. A few days before they were to stop playing I remember a guild meeting was held between all the officers to decide who would take over leadership. I was not an officer so I did not attend it. I logged on after the meeting had been held and was standing in Org when Dia immediately invited me to a group and him and a few others who I was close with in the guild rushed to me. A decision had been made and some core members had chimed in and it was decided that I should take over as the GM if I wanted to otherwise Max would become our leader. This was a huge shock to me and I was deeply humbled by it. I was very young though and I did not want the responsibility of this role in the guild at the time as I was running from responsibilities in real life. I did not feel prepared for it and ultimately in the end I turned it down.
You see I dont think I fully realized it at the time but Max and I represented two different futures for the guild. Max had continued to advocate for progression and raiding after our failed Kara run. He had plans to recruit more people who could play better and progress while most of us wanted nothing to do with progression. All we wanted was a chill place to hangout, have fun and help one another. This chill environment is what I represented. From day one I had helped with every group quest and dungeon that people in guild had asked for help with. I enjoyed helping guild mates with stuff and I enjoyed spending time talking to them.
After Max assumed lead and Eli and her husband stopped playing it didnt take long for the guild to start under going changes. No one was forced to raid but Max recruited other people who did want to and it became clear that The Broken was no longer a place to just chill and hang out. Most of our core members left the guild within a month, myself included. The Broken we knew was no more. I dont blame Max for this and I still think the decision I made was the right one at the time. I do sometimes wonder about what could have been if I had decided to accept leadership for the guild though. One thing I never understood though was why Max decided that remaking The Broken from within was a better idea then just starting his own guild. It was clear that most of us were happy just having fun doing whatever we wanted. He was a minority to the point that only him and one maybe two others in our original guild wanted to raid and progress and yet he still chose to use The Broken as his raiding guild. One thing I know for sure though is that to this day I have yet to find that same sense of community on the scale that The Broken had under Eli and her husbands leadership. I played WoW for a few years after that but mostly found myself playing only with Dia or by myself as friends who left The Broken slowly began to leave the game. Dia found a new guild in Wrath and I eventually joined it and we made some new friends but ultimately it fell apart and not long after I wound up leaving WoW behind before Cata launched.
I'm not really sure if there is a point or lesson to be learned from this story but this video stirred my memory of it up for some reason and I felt the need to share.
If anything maybe it highlights the fact that not everyone plays games for the same reasons and our actions in online communities might impact others we know nothing about in ways we can't even begin to comprehend. I think the gaming community as a whole from low to high skill levels and across every genre of game can do a lot better at respecting others in the communities we play in and trying to think about how we are interacting with others online from other peoples perspectives.
Thank you for sharing your story! Glad to hear you found equal minded people to enjoy the game with :)
Nice to hear a story about not getting wrapped up in gear/item level. Very similar experiences for me too, including the guild disenbandenment. Only in late/end game that I joined a guild and started to dabble in raiding. Other than that it was awesome to explore and quest everything else, pretty much on my own. Felt like such a vast game! Good times!
This was a chill read, thank you for sharing a piece of your story 😊
tldr
Man bro you and I have almost the same experience with wow. I never had the same community feel I had with my BC guild back in the day, you just cant replicate something like that. I cant recall his name anymore but I will always remember my old Raid Leader pulling me out of a pug and was literally the only guy to tell me in a nice way that I could be better at the game, the dude brought me under his wing taught me how to raid, how to hea,l the works man. Reading your story made me just thing about that great guy and all the great interactions I had in Warcraft. King's Honor friend
Lok'tar Ogar!
It's sad. This happened to me in retail. I have a job. I had to work one night a little later than norm and I ended up showing up late. I got chewed out and was told that "I'm not committed enough to the raid group because I have a job" and my GM basically told me after that I had to choose my real life job over wow. Mind you this "man" has kids and a wife...
Find a new guild. Im a core raider in my guild and was 30 mins late for our second aq40 they saved my spot and we still downed c'thun that night. I left my first guild cause they were just like you described.
so many reasons i dont play wow,big one,majorly toxic community.
I mean that's the sad reality, anyone who has ran a guild that has gotten into tough times (or just ever-looming decline) will know that intimately. You gotta make things work or they'll just fall apart, even if it means making hard calls.
Anyway, can't really tell much about your case, it seems the GM has gone too far but in my experience these situations are just the final straw, the devil is in the details and the attitude and usually these feelings build up over a long time. Most problematic people don't see themselves as a (big) problem since in their mind their aproach is the ideal one.
#doctorbendovah well what did you choose? Wow or your job?
Back before I had my own credit card and my parents didnt want to use theirs for my sub, I needed to use prepaids. I was told that playing games and buying a sub was a waste of money. Even for a kid that didnt do drugs, smoke, or party, but I didn't care. So whenever I'd go out on my bike/parent's car for a "trip to the mall", I'd go to the bank, then game stop, get a prepaid card with the cash, then go to the place I said I'd go. Give it an hour, come back, put the code in, and play. I knew tossing the cards in the trash that they would eventually notice, so I used one of those metal containers that looks like a book and stuffed the cards inside. I did this for years for multiple games (WoW, Runescape, Wizard101) and I still have the damn cards.
thats awesome dude!
Oh man, that's awesome!
Too bad Wow is the only gane that still has those 60 day prepaid cards in stores, I try to find ones for Final Fantasy XIV but only digital (FF14 and Wow are the only mmos in my life now)
How did you get the money in the first place?
I paid for my addiction by using FAFSA money that I got for going to the local community college and also from selling textbooks back to the student store when I didn't need them anymore. One time I was like a dollar short for a game card at the mall. I solicited some random middle-aged guy for a buck and he seemed really suspicious about why I wanted it. I said that I needed to make a phone call... in 2008 or 2009, maybe. He kind of reluctantly parted with his dollar and I went off somewhere to disappear for a bit before buying a game card at Game Stop. I was scared he might see me!
i think i saved alot of money with the abo considering how many games i would have had to play to fill the same time
Random thought - I kinda pity the guy whose picture is used for the "stock neckbeard" filler.
I was thinking the same thing, "What if that's actually a really nice guy with a put together life and a wife and kids?" then I remember I'm on the internet
Yea :/ Imagine if your face will be used as meme :/
There are legit stock photos of "nerds" and "angry" people, but they are too presentable to generate real cringe. Certain unlucky souls are just destined to be immortalized as memes.
I was just thinking that. I hope he's having a good day
He's a 4chan user, last seen: 5 years ago. He's looking even worse than before, looking more like small and dirty Hagrid from Harry Potter.
I didn't play Classic when it came out, I played BC. I remember in my guild and community raiding and all that was secondary to just hanging out, doing fun stuff together in the world for no benefit but fun. I was excited to relive that when Classic came out but all I found were gate keeping min-maxing try hards. I got really sick of how awful the community was and how it felt more like I was playing keep up with everyone else or be shunned rather than just enjoying playing with one another.
It put me off Classic entirely and I don't think I'll be coming back to it. I'll try BC when it comes out because that was peak for me, but my excitement is more worry now for what trying to relive my old experience will actually feel like.
im not goin back either.
I can relate to your comment after 2 months of its release all people were worried about was world buffs and only spamming xp dungeon runs. Only thing that keeps me going is that I found a great guild that wants to do more than just raid log
When raiding becomes a job, it's time to reassess.
And play ff14. Played wow 12 years and that 1 month. It’s amazing.
Correct. I miss the times when i could cap my conquest weekly and get the item i wanted
Ian Gordon the amount of shameless weebs and weeb pandering puts me off a bit tbh.
Schmidt Hendrix you’re not wrong, it’s heavy on the weeb... but the game really is pretty damn great.
@@Revaks nah it's not that good at all.
I just starting playing classic for about a week now and this person nerd raged cuz i was doing a lvl 10 quest as a lvl 15 lol
Little does he know that that's how you progress in classic, quest the greens and yellows
How dare you not play in the way that they do!
@Killing Myself For real. I'm actively working on completing the Loremaster Achievement which takes forever and doing zones to completion.
lol
@Maskedup 8 shit, as a dungeon spamming aoe farming mage I probably failed you. :( (I did manage to compleet the ony attunement!)
The concept of minmaxxing is so insane to me. Coming from OG classic. How some players had different builds which worked for them, made it all a little more “real”. I knew a melee hunter who outdps:ed most guys in a party. Characters like that made the game feel alive in a sense.
Joined a raid the other day and showed up (MC). Immediately kicked and removed - when asked why, it was because I didn’t have DM and flower buff. Lol.
@@anthonybarrington2562 they are super easy to get and ppl summon you right to them to be fair lol
@@justinperry8445 found the tryhard minmaxer
@@justinperry8445 That is not being fair, that is justifying the unjustifiable.
Same. I feel like a grandpa when I say I cleared raids with low level gear and half the raid standing in lava and had nothing but a hope and a prayer. Kids today with their world buffs. Sad really
Reminds me of one of the main reasons I quit before the Panda's got introduced. Started feeling too much like a job. I did jump back on for classic, but I guess I filtered out the bad stuff because while I enjoyed leveling like I remembered the end game wasnt nearly as much fun as I thought it would be or remembered it to be.. Like losing every AV for an entire day because the server is so imbalanced, the hours spent prepping for a raid, the infighting. So I quit again, only to decide to start up a subscription for the long weekend. Picked the lowest pop server and rolled a new character. And I'm enjoying the heck out of it. Sure zones are ghost towns, but as more of a solo gamer I'm enjoying the exploring, atmosphere, quest lines and complete lack of pressure to "be the best" or rush to any accomplishment. And I get it, that isnt for everyone. But isnt that the point of playing a game? To enjoy yourself? Ah well, it's easy to see how people can get a little too invested in the game.
Thats right, i got that to. More fun now, no dramas ;)
I just quest, and find groups of other people who actually want to run dungeons. Endgame is fucked. If I get something to 60 I'll try to gear it but I'm just reliving the good parts I can
yeah that's the same reason I quit just before MoP. I was 16, too.
Looking back, a part of me wishes I had continued playing. I may jump back if WotLK servers are introduced.
100% agree with you. Granted, Acti/blizz didn't help keeping people interested in the game but the community didn't help at all either. Though I did find a special server that scales dungeons and raids depending on how many people enter it. I forgot how much fun it is to grab a couple of friends and just screw around the world and doing said dungeons and raids.
I can remember when i bought the game. Came back to house. Installed it. But couldnt bloody play it because my parents didnt want to put their credit card for the subscription
EXACT same thing happened... got it for xmas, but didnt realize it needed a sub
FPScanada i spent i dont know how many hours trying to convince them. Had to get a prepaid card 😭
yeah i got the burning crusade to realize it was an xpansion. got the original game and it was too expensive
omg same :D Then i had to wait for a while to buy a prepaid card :(
i got wrath of the lich king for my birthday and i lost the activation code x.x
In guild chat last week, a guy who didn't have a 60 in the guild got into an argument with the raid leader about whether or not to use dynamite on Viscidius. He argued that casting dynamite cost .3 more seconds than using a GCD and that if everyone would just attack or use a spell that it would be more optimal. But he wouldn't let it go. A guy not even involved in the raid was unwilling to tolerate anyone in his periphery not playing in what he believed to be the optimal way. That kind of attitude is exactly why Classic is so toxic: people believe that the optimal way to play the game is the ONLY way to play the game.
Great video, as usual Madseason :)
This kind of attitude is why the world is so toxic.
You're toxic
Sounds like you guys require dynamite and he was explaining the futility of it, it also sounds like you didn't do the math at all and just continued to do it your way without looking at the math or testing it yourself (would have cost you 1 pull tops) If you demand your raiders use dynamite and someone told you there's a better way that costs nothing and doesn't require an entire profession. I can see how, if these things are true, the guy would have been upset. Not at you refusing to change your play style, but rather for your attitude about people needing to do it specifically your way, weather your way is wrong or not.
My point is you sap the fun out of it as much as anyone by requiring dynamite and not entertaining the discussion that could result in you not doing it your way. It genuinely makes it sound like the dynamite is about you not wanting to hurt your ego.
@@jorymayer707 or they just wanted to use dynamite because they felt like it not because it was "optimal" screw you and the meta
Damn that's pretty crazy. I have to admit that I didn't expect the level of min maxing being so insane when the content was so easy. AOTC Jaina was rougher than anything I experienced in Classic. I actually found the most difficult parts of raiding not being....raiding, but preparing for raiding. The community aspect of it is the only enjoyable experience that I took away from it. It's a shame that retail will never have that part back.
To get back the great feel of early WoW, you would literally have to turn back time. We and the world were very different back then.
I cherish the memories I made with my guild back then. But you can't get it back.
The problem is that Vanilla WoW was exactly like this back in the day too, it's just that you don't remember the bad times. I remember it, because I played on a high pop server in Vanilla, and the amount of toxicity was rampant even then.
True, but you can create new memories in this new envirnonment! :)
Very true. Playing as a 30 year old it is just simply different than when I was 14. You grow up, have played a variety of games, had more experiences etc. Even my nephews who are 10 and 14 approach the game different as they are young. Nothing wrong with that but playing a game you once did 16 years ago will feel different in many ways.
It just a wet dream and explodes in pieces when you play it. It isnt the same like years ago and many people will end Classic very fast.
The main problem, imo, is that vanilla wow hit during a time when information was still scarcely shared through the internet. Few people knew about Thotbot for instance. If they released a "new" first expandion, aka tbc replacement ontop of vanilla, did not include any data registration of it prior to release, and kept it a secret, finally fillled the content with tons of secrets that dont appear in data mining, we would experience how the content would feel when it is unknown to everyone. This is imo the essence of vanilla wow; information came through word of mouth, and the world itself felt dangerous and unexplored to most people :-)
This video made me all the more appreciative of the fact that I actually am one of those filthy casuals who just levels characters to cap and then start a new one. I don't even do dungeons, just playing like a chill open world RPG.
I’m new to the game and I think this is how ima play. I just enjoy leveling with a chill podcast/video in the background while I mindlessly grind
@@imprintedlamb2 Hell yeah man. During all the time I've played, WoW has been a perfect game to play while watching CZcams or Netflix or listening to a podcast. Just the right amount of focus needed to keep you stimulated, with enough spare focus left over to follow along in whatever media you're consuming.
I've played for 13 years by the way, glad to see people still get exposed to this fantastic game despite it's age. Hope you get as much enjoyment out of it as I have :)
@@BFDudes not to sound like an ass but to me it just looks like you're a textbook example of the worker sheep gamer that clocks in to 'the thing he likes' without broadening his horizons to any capacity. i mean shit, enjoy what you want to enjoy, but that's a long fucking time. never really understood it honestly
that's the best way to play WoW. Once you hit level cap it's inevitably nothing but a timesink and rep/gear/consumables farm. The world, NPCs, quest, lore, with some world PvP thrown in here and there is where the actual core game is
Felk Jabberjook bruh its just a game, its not that deep
Madseason, you just made the two best wow-related videos in all youtube one after the other. I'm loving this 90% chill, 10% fed up with your nerd drama vibe
Glad you liked it! Not really a subject I'd like to return to though - I've said my piece.
@@madseasonshow You deserve your hard earned rest, Mr. Season
It's not the same this time around. I hardly ever hear "the Crossroads are under attack!"
That's because you now hear "Silithus is under attack"
In vanilla this "late" in the game xroads attacks were way less common.
That is because I dont play classic ;)
crossroads was a popular pvp spot back in WOTLK
thats because in 1.13 classic guards spawn like crazy
World buff meta is literally the stupidest shit ever. Spend hours collecting all the various buffs and not being able to log onto the character to save them for the raid purely to clear it 20 minutes faster than you would with no world buffs. Makes absolutely zero sense and people get so spergy about it. You spend less time on the raid if you JUST RAID. All those hours spent collecting buffs is literally counter productive. YES the raid time will be faster, but overall you've spend hours of extra time just to brag about your clear time on reddit.
the best part is the purge wars ;p
Its pointless tryna get all these buffs I agree, wont let me raid because I dont want to spend hours for it? Then they arent a decent guild
Warcraft logs push the world buff meta. I would discourage people from joining Chad guilds who want 40 raid logger zombies to pump big numbers for ego and a clear time only minutes faster than if people were given the choice to get their world buffs or not.
Agreed. But for Naxx world buffs are basically necessary
i have to agree notpoop.
I stopped raiding because of world buffs - if u cant clear naxx without it - then you should probally have stayed longer in BWL/MC/AQ40 to gear the people up.
I was on my dwarf hunter, in Lakeshire, and just got the Bellgrub quest. I saw some guys standing around waiting and asked to group, but one guy kept treating me like I had stolen his Bellygrub kill, because another dwarf had tagged it before this guy a few minutes earlier. I tried to explain that I was not that person, and I just got there, but he kept talking shit, and calling me names. So I finally said, "okay, cry baby, I will do the quest later.", and walked off. Maybe I should not have called him a cry baby, but that is how he was acting. A few minutes later, he whispered me and said "I finished the quest, so you can do it in about 15 minutes, you cry baby. You should chill out and learn this is just a game." I was speechless at the absolute hypocrisy of his own statement. Yep, you gotta love the toxic gaming community.
This is why mainstream popular games like league and wow will always have the worst, disgustingly low iq people you can find. Unironically. I think I still keep some SoD chat logs from 6 months ago, some random mage malding that I fairly won the Feline Mantle as the group Priest, which gives 10 intelligence and 3 spirit. To the mage, that was completely unacceptable, as the item clearly was designed for dps casters, and not healers, because the shoulders have way more intellect than spirit. I calmly tell him it's literally phase 1, the shoulders are literally on my pre-BFD bis list and I've been standing here for an entire day farming it just like every other caster that did. Actually it was my 3rd consecutive day of running SFK because nothing I needed dropped, and I needed like 3-4 items from that dungeon, but that's besides the point.
He went on a tantrum spiral about how I was manipulating the whole thing with false bis lists, how he has been playing wow for years and he KNOWS spirit is for healers and intellect is for dps casters (completely untrue, healers use intellect a lot, especially in classic where mana pools are small), and how I was a filthy newbie casual to wow not knowing how the stats work and how I should've just "played retail as my first wow experience, it's made for brainless kids like you anyway". I was just curious how would a noob know to manipulate people with false bis lists when they would have no clue what a BiS list even is, or what items to put in there? Oh, the mage was also the worst DPS we had in the group by far, we just tolerated them up to that point where he just sat in the corner like a child, sulking about losing the roll and how the whole party was scamming him. Threatening to report everyone and write our names in the server discord. I don't think he ever did, must've felt huge shame after he left.
It's definitely a bad place. I was running around in Silithus on my level 60 Balance Druid. I was swarmed by the Horde, but instead of killing me, they followed me and /laughed at me.
PepeLaugh
That was cool, they just escorted you then.
lol that's savage
Omegalul
@@Iggypox But would you dare use AoE skills then?
I had some people on the remulo server complain about me offering free boost runs for low level players because “I’m stealing their customers” I laughed so hard at them for saying that. I offer to help other people for free because I love to help those who need it most.
Jesus. That makes me wanna do free runs now lol
@@st33nb3an4 DO IT
@@st33nb3an4 Honestly, if you have a spare time, do it. It's quite rewarding helping new players.
Thank you.
This is what should be done.
For the horde
For the alliance
Back up your people!!!!!!!
you shouldnt even boost new players. let them learn how to play the game on their own instead of giving them easy mode
"you install it"
- some of us had to wait two full days for it to be downloaded too
Big true bro
This is the most animated I've heard Madseason, and I love it lol You've developed a great channel and have grown a lot. Always happy to see a new video from Madseason :) Keep up the good work! Excellent video. Community is always the best and worst of gaming, especially in WoW and LoL.
Really wish people would just chill with the optimization and relax. I get trying to get the most out of your performance, but this is just ridiculous.
I agree 100%. I’ve noticed with online games, those that really lose themselves in their addiction are the ones who take it to such extreme lengths. Their “accomplishments” in game compensate for their lack of achievements in real life. In that regard, mad season hits the nail on the head.
Yeah and it’s so ironic that it happens to such a degree in Classic where the endgame content is so easy that it isn’t needed at all. I guess clearing Blackwing lair 2 seconds faster is more important than having fun for some people
It goes both ways. I'm on a pretty sweaty server but a pretty dad guild (though some would consider my guild still fairly sweaty--two scarab lords, two raid groups, killed C'Thun week 1, but by my server's standards we're definitely on the more casual side), and we don't require world buffs but I always get them because I think it makes this trivial content more fun to have the fear of dying and to just get to delete shit and see big numbers... but then on the flip side I have a guildmate who for some reason is very upset about people getting them and really is annoyed that we 'allow' people to get them. Then most of the sweaty guilds on my server will do cringey stuff like link people's parses to make fun of them. In my opinion, the game is inherently casual so you should just play it the way you want, but if you're trying to insult or mock or just be a degenerate about the way other people play the game it's really asinine and cringey.
It really is funny how classic has been proven time and time again to be a pretty easy experience and, yet, the level of “required” optimization is off the charts. Classic is already a pretty major time sink as compared to retail (not that retail is a problem-free product, it isn’t) ... chasing world buffs we don’t need on top of other things we could be doing is just goofy imo.
Brumfield85 true. I used to be like that, glad I’m not anymore haha although it’s nice to be a “casual” and be able to do well enough
"Its only game, why you have to be mad?"
Then they just get madder when you say that, because how dare you not take it as seriously as they do
@@Whydoesthissitesuck And thats the moment you should split their skull to look for a brain. *CHAOS REIGNS!*
@@Bartoc1988 Why bother? There's nothing there.
@@ShadowZeroFlame People who think of a game that seriously, dont miss a brain. Their life is probably shallow, worthless and suffer from depression or other mental issues. They usually need help, not an axe in the brain. Of course, through a computer you cant do much about it, best ignore and/or advice them to go to a psychiatrist or smt. Some are just complete utter dickbags though, but you cant tell that through a computer again.
@@Grivehn Lol, not all of them are mentally ill, bro, besides, 80% of people's lives ARE shallow and worthless, doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and cry myself to sleep about how my name won't be in books. These people are just dumb, besides, I know a few who just do stupid shit for fun, ganking, making people angry, it's just how they have fun. Chill with your "Higher Understanding".
Casually leveling up and doing dungeons is my FAVORITE part about classic! Once I hit max level and needed to start raiding is when it felt like a job/chore which included getting world buffs all the time. I enjoy the journey more than anything else!
Wholesome
I actually enjoyed leveling alts more than endgame originally and have been doing the same yet again
as a veteran wow player who just started playing FFXIV, its crazy how friendly everyone its there, getting a greetings on every dungeon instead of a insult and no one raging at wipes it feels so alien.
Because the NA gms tend to be overzealous with their warnings and a certain amount of warnings means a suspension/ban. No one wants to lose their account because you said "Hey ____, you need to do X for Y mechanic." and _____ was offended by how you impeded how they play.
@@PriestessofGenbu oh shut up a lot of people in XIV are genuinely nice. The most toxic players are the green parsers who spend all day complaining on r/talesfromdf or r/shitpostxiv acting like they need to be rude to people to teach them how to do something because God forbid someone doesn't play like a gold parser in a fucking dungeon
FFXIV has the most mentally ill people of any game ive ever played. the friendliness is trivial. great community btw
Once killed a quest mob while levelling, only to have a shaman whisper me a million insults and shit on how i stole the mob kill from him etc, just wish people would chill out, i’m here for fun.
Try ffxiv been playing for almost 2 years and have had maybe 3 or 4 hugely toxic people in any content
or he had camped the mob for 30 minutes hoping it would spawn and then you accidently just fall over it "stealing" the only thing he had been there for 30 mins for. - but yeah i dont play classic anymore.
Yep WAY too many players have completely lost perspective! Its a fun and silly game!
Was in a BRD run several months ago with random puggers and we actually had a Edgemaster's Handguards drop on the trash near the start.
We all just agreed to roll need and let fate decide, we then congratulated the winner (A very lucky forsaken mage) and finished the dungeon.
Imagine tearing each other apart like rabid animals over a purple plum lol.
Well mages shouldnt be allowed they get gold so easy anyways
We had the Staff of Jordan drop in one of my pug groups. We did the same as you all, I dont understand why people get so bent out of shape over virtual money and purple letters.
@@paulbuchanan7781 classic is far easier to grind for gold compared to original vanilla, there's so many easy ways to farm
@@lovebattleforge There it is!
@@lovebattleforge Thats stupid logic
I actually play WoW single player hahah, hit me right in the feels. All my mates left, i turned 30 years old and have a somewhat busy life now, so i cant really play with a guild or something, its so sad and annoying sometimes though, but mostly i really enjoy it singleplayer when you dont have to much time.
@Scarface =/
I started playing the Single Player Project so I can experience some of the stuff I couldn't without a group. I AM loving it so far. I do miss having others around, but the game does have that Single Player aspect to it.
@Scarface LMAOOOOO
Me in 2004: mom can I buy wow to play with my friends from school and explore an expansive universe of fun and mystery?
Me in 2020: PARSESSSSSSSS PARSESSSSSSSSSSS
precisely why it's now shite
You know it's going to be a good day when Madseason uploads a new video.
Anyone remember when MMO’s back in the day was all about communicating and getting to know eachother & just hanging out/occasionally doing quests?
It’s strange how it went from that to everyone never speaking to eachother & got 100% of their attention on being the best at the game rather than having fun and making friends
Some part of it is a consequence of what this video showed. Douchebags take advantage of friendlier people, to vent out, ninja loot them, steal their gathering nodes after killing mobs, and more. We have lost social aspects because there are too many anti-social players.
See I disagree, there’s always been arrogant & toxic players like that (from what I remember in my runescape days and Gaia in like 2010) I personally think it’s streamers and overly competitive youtubers fault, people watch those videos and think “okay that’s how a game should be played” especially the way streamers tend to flex their stats so people kinda idolise them in that way thus completely cutting out the aspect of communicating with other players :/ so essentially MMO’s overtime have become a “single player” open world game
@@PsionicDiamond Part of it is generational too. Gen Xers seemed pretty laid back. Millennials played with Gen Xers and for the most part got along I felt ( I was a young millennial playing with Gen X). Now it's Zoomers and Millennials. Half the Millenials are bitter fucks, and the zoomers are the most entitled spoiled fucks I've ever had to deal with. Throwing tantrums every time they lost a roll, screaming about how its not fair. Jesus, I'm glad I stopped playing classic.
So the game is now less cringe? Great. I play games to win not to fucking make friends. Wow is already filled with so many weird people the less you communicate with them the best. Gear is the game not retard people. I rather raid with 39 bots for instance
@@vitorsantos3971 You just made Dutchman's point abundantly clear. xD The thing that made MMORPG's stand out from the standard game is the fact you can communicate with other players and actually enjoy the game socially. Judging by your comment I'm assuming you're used to everyone being dead silent, but I'm not. I always used to stand around in MMO's just chatting & actually making friends and THEN going on quests/adventures. Making friends is not cringe, taking the game too seriously & thinking you're above everyone because you "ride solo" is cringe.
the same people that get banned and says "I did nothing!"
Don’t you hate it when those idiots say that?
I love when people send me death threats or insulting messages.I am having fun playing the game and pissing you off at the same time,win win
Rent free 🧠
Oh my god that slight laugh you gave around 6:30 filled me with so much joy. I personally love your monotone voice and could listen to it for hours, but hearing that little bit of emotion was truly a worthwhile experience.
I've been getting cyber stalked by one of my guildies for over a month because I am a feral druid that got a DFT. (He's a warrior) I don't use that term lightly either, he's been legit creep about it. The amount that people care about pixels in this game is truly insane.
im not stalking you what do you mean
The mere fact that you got a DFT as feral is enough .
Dawg, making a build, not looking up guides, reading quests and being friendly to people looking for cooperation and the willingness to beat content is all I ask for.
Yooooo, that epic gquit trash talking at 13:36 was my guild! Even to this day, we still remember this guy, and it lives on in our guild forums :D I feel somehow honored that this made it into the video, hahaha
when you get insulted for killing or griefing, it's not really an insult.
It's more like a reward.
Exactly the reasson why i didn't make char on pvp server even tho i was multi glad pvping for over 10+ years.(Since 2006-2018 roughly)...Since idiots like u would kill lvl 20 with lvl 60 and call it pvp...
well it doesn't feel like a reward tbh.. it's funny yes but.. meh.
A reward is when people are calling u cheater in CSGO for example.. now that's a reward.
But someone wishing ur family to die is just.. meh..
@HostileEnvironment yea sure as i said, they are funny but they don't feel like a reward.. it's just funny as hell sometimes.
This guy gets it.
Said like a true ganking scumbag rogue. Salute.
"I identify as a lvl 60" lmaooo
What happens if you identify as lvl 70?
Alex Park Official or an 80
Glad you're back Madseason! Missed your vids and grats on your rank!
I've always played rogue. I remember all the "If I was at full hp and ready for you I'd destroy you!" whispers. I beat probably 90% of them in 1v1 duels after the fact. They were always so salty, especially after a fair 1v1 fight lol Like, you actually stopped what you were doing, wrote down my name, logged out of your horde character, created a new alliance character, then logged in just to talk trash, and then still lost?
lmao that's amazing
That's some dedication to trashtalk right there. And some signs of mental disorders.
There's no fair world pvp with rogues. If you got 2200+ rating as Rogue that's respectable but if i get ganked by some 1500 loser and he emotes laugh at me ofc i'll whisper you and call you out for being trash at the game. Kill but as lower rated you can't trash talk anyone and get away. That's why Vanilla PvP sucks no rating. World PvP is stupid anyway 90% of time it's completely unfair as someone either has no cooldowns or gear. Majority of people that gank are those who can't climb in rating. Yeah some gladiator may kill you if you get close to him but all rogues that gank qesting zones or camp portal in MaW and Zerath Mortis all day are below 1800. I look Armory of every single Rogue that ever ganks me and emotes then call them out i never seen high rated Rogue gank anyone they are all in Oribos spamming Arena all day and climbing.
Love your content
Ela re file, edw stirizoume Mad
Thanks for watching it!
@@pixelin a⁰
Madseason palikaros
The anger is relative to how alone some players are.
underrated comment
@alpatr0s if that was true you would know who Randal Keith Orton is
alpatr0s you’re always cheerful and nice because of that big ol ashbringer in your shorts
alpatr0s you score a legendary parse in my heart
What a true statement. I don't think a lot of people with fulfilling relationships in their lives act like that.
Love your content man! Are you planning on making the WotLK evolution video? I’m sorry if it’s asked to death or if i shouldn’t be asking. I really enjoyed the series very much. Thanks for taking your time of day if you do somehow read this
I love your narritive style, selection of background music. The contect flows like you aree writing pros, not talking at us. Good production, and thank you for posting.
Don’t forget: boosters pretty much devauling and defeating the whole purpose of classic leveling, along with people that don’t group up for whatever reason
Honestly, it’s hard to get into classic for now beacuse of all of this, and it made me actually apreciate retail for it’s simplicity and accessibility (however trivialized it made the game)
just play with a a hardcore community. they dont boost and crap like that. i think bloodsail buccanneers is the server although it is pve ugh.
Mark Blaze yeah, pvp servers are more engaging in classic
Classic with retail mentality min maxing the fun out of the game
I like TBC5man for the same reason. Instant lvl 70, no LFR but everything is scaled to be 5 man content, so you don't have to pug 24 people and hope 15 of them will click on Magtheridon, or dedicate yourself die hard to some raiding guild. You also gear up faster because there is less people to roll with. It does take away some of the pride you had in each consecutive tier of gear, but at the same time more people are getting to experience all of the content, you got time to experience more than one class, and you can do it all on your schedule, like a real game is supposed to be played.
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the servers are down"
worst feeling ever....waking up early on a Tuesday during the summer
first time waked up early in YEARS to play and i catched a maintenance, felt nostalgic lmao
BUT on the plus side, the forums would fill the void with infinite entertainment. It was guaranteed that at least one person would threaten to sue.
The solution I found was to stop playing the game xD
Frames P3rSecond why?
Happy Classicversary! It seems crazy that an entire year has gone by already. I hope everyone is enjoying their classic experience!
Meh. I played the original wow. Nowadays I play regular wow. There are private servers that emulate the original 🤩
I'm already shunned irl, why would I want to be shunned in game too?
Last time I was this early you were still making a video on how to obtain mounts in legion
Last time i was this early, MadSeason said he would make videos on the evolution of vanilla patch by patch, but he stop at 1.2 :(
@@josejuanandrade4439 last time i was this early macseason said he would get to 60 only killing boars.
Last time I was this early I was watching Oxhorn’s short shorts!
This is so spot on true. Every sentence. Beautiful musical background. I feel sorry that I didn't have the chance to play with you. What you said is exactly how I feel.
In other words, what many(not all) people missed about Vanilla was how you could be a gatekeeping elitist special snowflake. Not through any kind of mechanical awareness or skill like a current raider, but by simply grinding a lot and knowing how to search Thottbot. I've encountered people who hate casuals so much that they unironically idolized the nolifer existence and wish the game was inaccessible to anyone who couldn't dedicate all their time to it. The people who think time spent=skill and that anyone who doesn't play the game the nolifer way doesn't "deserve" anything.
so true... meanwhile i just missed having to travel to my dungeons/raids...
I really enjoyed Classic when I started playing it last year. I leveled with my buddies but sadly we didn't get into raiding, maybe that was for the good.
Love your videos man, keep the great work!
Gz on the PvP rank fyi and glad you back making vids :)
Meanwhile back when I first played in vanilla I remember doing BGs and seeing the same night elf hunter every few games (I played horde) and always losing every game with him.
I remember making an alliance alt to ask him how to get good at hunter.
Don't remember him ever responding tho /shrug
yes i was the same a few years ago when playing as a rank 1 mage.
3 things happen:
1. you are spoiled since thats your whole identity
2. you get bombarded with messages and they are always the same
3. everyone in this position behaved the same so you thought that it is appropriate behavior since you are the king of the universe.
good thing wow got this bad so i could realize though
sometimes i really wanna get into classic again (only got up to 55 as a warrior)
but then i see how people run their raids, and how people "pvp" and i just remember even though retail has its flaws, its at least bearable in comparison to what classic has. at least imo
classic is an incredibly better fame than retail. it's just not the same game at all.
IHS not to mention, the minmaxing culture has completely destroyed what made classic unique and better than retail in the first place, the fucking leveling
Classic was fun again at launch, but after playing this version of it. I know its way more toxic than retail is. Starting to feel IF i resub again haven't played since march to go to retail instead. It's nice not having to search hours upon hours for a group to try and get gloves of power from LBRS and all that min/max bull shit!
@IHS I think the community is LEAGUES better than retail. "oh you need to do a dungeon? here is your free teleport to the dungeon and your random group of people you will probably never see again!" In classic I met some of my best friends in the game hours into my experience, and I saw them in the later zones i was leveling in! I was reconnected with the people I had memories with, in retail questing is boring, its super easy, quick and mind numbing. in classic I actually had fun while leveling because i made unique and interesting connections in the game that i will cherish for the rest of my wow career! Hell i kept a wool bag someone I met in the wetlands made for me as a gift for helping him, even though it is useless to me now. The game is more community driven, and while that community can be very toxic, it can also be a very welcoming and fun community to be a part of.
Briciod Crv I should have said Vanilla, as i havent played classic, but i saw all of vanilla
MadSeason: "The classes....(Warrior)"
Me: Haha YES.
What instrument is this at the beginning of your videos? Has me addicted
I love the music in the into so much what's the name of the clip?
Here before baldmongold pauses the video to laugh and say "doood" every 30 seconds.
For every time he pauses, another hair falls out.
**eyebrows twitching**
"Hello and welcome to my video, today we wi-"
OKAAAYYY DOOOOOOOD OOOOOOOOOOOOKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
"...will talk about ho-"
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
@@gronizherz3603 u ok?
@@ToTheGAMES HE'S OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
I wanna learn to pvp but im terrified of anger lmao
If you want to learn to pvp, I recently grinded R11 with a Friend who got to R14 and his Girlfriend, also R14. The most important thing is finding a group of players you enjoy talking to, it´s way more important than player skill to be honest. I was an absolute noob in the beginning but once you start playing pvp multiple hours a day everyday and have people that are capable of constructive criticism you get better fast.
Man you have the best intro of any youtuber. It instils me with such a strong sense of nostalgia. Lovely videos mate, thanks for doing what you do.
I'm almost getting gear enough to pvp at lv 60, so I'm kinda worried...
Will I always get screwed by world buff accumulators? Consumables I can farm if they are "must-have", but waiting for buffs srsly sucks...
If u don't rely on these, can u still have fair pvp?
Honestly that anti streamer addon sounds kinda nice. They ruin servers.
You're def one of, if not my favorite WoW Channel. It's totally fair and informative, you take no sides (horde or alliance), you're voice sounds great and you don't yell or whimper. This is the blueprint that should be followed honestly. Keep it up dude!
Joey Leach true
Wow, that is wild. I had no idea this was going on in Classic! I play on a super casual RP realm, in a very casual guild and don't really PVP. Everything and everyone has been sunshine and rainbows so far. But I do read Reddit sometimes and hear about the drama, but didn't really know the true extent of it.
13:29 Where is that dancing part from again? It looks so familiar. An old trailer I guess?
Can't wait for Big Dick Baldmongold to react to this.
You do know Asmon and Madseason are friends right.
@@aomforever you do know Mccuck lives in a cage in asmon's basement right.
*Clean Dick Baldmongold
@@Ar1AnX1x a cage under baldmons bed more like
Oh man I can't wait till insert streamer reacts to this new thing.
Calling cellar-dwelling neckbeards "nerds" is kind of insulting to the nerds. Nerds are supposed to be smart at least
@hi there nerds can be social too I would say I'm pretty nerdy (I like wow and star wars etc) but I also work out and go out with friends. Idk, a lot of people I know who are super into games also go out and we talk about them
rly great video bro, but i still waiting more episodes of Azeroth arsenal, like val'anyr, anothr legendary weapon , or story of one of epic raids dungeons in Wtlk "Ulduar". Thank you and best wishes ! :)
I remember those pre-order event nights. Waiting in line for a game.
Well I'll add my story for all to see. I first started playing right when WotLk was in beta. I picked a Troll Warrior and had fun for quite awhile. I still remember loving that I had a kendo sword I found as a rare drop. I stopped playing though after my first dungeon. I rolled as a Tank and got insulted and kicked on the first boss. It turned me off from the game so bad that I just didn't want to play. I tried again during Cata because Blizzard sent me an email offering a month free and WotLK expansion for free. I tried it out again and this time played a Troll Druid. I played the entire game avoiding dungeons because of my experience. I did do some PVP and that was fun. I tried dungeons again because of the positive experience. I got insulted and kicked out because i had PVP gear. Haven't played since then. I'm too casual for rank PVP and unrank was getting boring. Dungeons proved to be too toxic and the guild I was apart of was having a power struggle so only people who picked a side played together.
It happens a lot, just a few hours earlier I did a raid in lfr (looking for raid) as a healer. They had a few attempts already, and when we tried the boss after I joined we died pretty early because of people being unaware of the mechanics. As I died early I got blamed for it, getting ganged up on for joining as healer but "going afk"
In those cases it's really tempting to leave, but I stuck with it knowing I did nothing wrong (and luckly not getting vote kicked). When we finished after some more people left and got replaced, I was second on healing.
They will complain and just straight up attack anyone for anything
I will assume you are kidding because of the topic of the video; however, I will still respond. Younger me was indeed much more sensitive. I still haven't gotten back into it though because I have no urge to play with PUGs because I don't want to deal with any toxicity that is still around. The friends I made then have all moved on or we have gone our separate ways. So WoW will remain the game I'll watch an occasional CZcams video on.
Edited spelling errors.
Pugging is almost always toxic. The best thing about WoW is finding a group of friends to run with. But it's also the worst thing because you have to wade through the quagmire of angry nerds for quite a while before you find some friends.
Dont pick tank as your first character. Holding threat is not easy even as a vet sometimes.
Honestly that's why I don't do raids in retail because people are way to serious.
Vanilla Wow Community was gold the days that will never come back.
It was toxic then. It’s toxic now.
We were young and it was an adventure. But they were toxic back then too, we just didn't notice/care. Or at least I didn't lol
Agree - At that time in life, it was completely different; the randoms that were toxic were very few in between, (1/100) because they also needed help and knowledge from the community - Now unfortunately, people knowing every aspect of the game and not needing to ask questions or help; toxicity rose to (1/6) as we had created gods that believed they were the higher power. I rejoined for classic and instantly was out within the month as there is no community like the old days; there never will be.
This is a classic video, i'll be coming back over and over for years.
Great video sir! Also is this the first time you’ve broken the monotone ?
When my friends ask if they should play classic, I have to say no. Not unless you want to play with some of the most intolerable people in the world.
the night elf who identifies as a level 60. absolute legend.
My post is at 11:46 and 11:57. It's on the WoW Classic forums and is titled "Blackballed on Deviate Delight. What would you have done?". Great video by the way. Thumb up.
What happened? Sounds like you were in a very toxic guild.
Nice sum up! I totally agree with the points you make in the video!
I was expecting a mention about the scarab lord drama that unraveled but maybe in another video i guess
Classic tryhards really be spamming "go back to retail" macros while getting hypercompetitve over RNG parses on raid content that's easier than LFR. It's my favorite part of looking at classic from an outside perspective.
Classic is pathetecly easy, yet they all pretend its hard and super serious. Why world buffs if u can clear it with green gear? Its super fake and not competitive at all.
@@filipefranca5866 The only hard part of classic is the community made hoops you have to jump through to do content.
I hate parses and always will. on another note I didn't even join classic for it to be hard, I only joined it because i don't like the direction retail has been heading for the past couple of years and i never played the original wow. But yeah classic is extremely easy.
Classic is sooo hard,that recently a guild Three-manned Onyxia
@@Evencane The worst part about parsing is that it's literally RNG. Crits, Hit Chance, and procs are how you get good parses, and yet people think it's some demonstration of skill to press 1 singular button for 2 minutes, while getting lucky and wasting time in your life getting consumes and world buffs.
"Leaderboard for professional turd polishing" *weeeeez* XD
I dont remember if this was in classic or not, but ill always remember the moment I finally got the headless horseman's mount, I was ecstatic, I told my friends how happy I was that it dropped for me and one of them threw a gigantic hissy fit over it. called me names simply because they had been trying to get it slightly longer then me and they hadnt gotten it yet. needless to say they are not my friend anymore.
where can i find that no streamer post about blacklisting, kind of want to read it
I LOVE the throwback to the Vent Harassment music LMAO
hahaha man this takes me back! i had been considering re-starting classic, i lost track somehow at around level 40 something, though given my location nowadays, playing with 150+ms doesn't sound like a great time in PvP or PvE really. Fantastic video as always!
Will you be playing shadowlands?
Didn’t expect to see one of the best ASMR CZcamsrs here.
150 ms? Boy that's a blessing. In south america it's common to play at 250 ms. 150 ms is like, only for rich people.
@@doomguy5410 why the f SA doesn't have its own server baffles me to this day, diablo 3 has it, why not wow?
@@Brunn0121 We are not "important" to devs in a general term.
Bro ever since u came back from ur rank 14 farm i looked at ur channel everyday to see if there is a new video. Love your content
10:13 I think it just becomes a question of, Do they REALLY like getting buffs then raid logging?
I'm sure there's a tiny tiny amount of people who do, but I think it's fair to point out how massively flawed a game is when a key component of it is.... No playing? And any defense of it basically amounts to stubbornness more than anything.
And it's a bit of a disingenuous comparison saying in retail you just "maybe need some flasks or potions". If we're talking actual min-maxing, the sheer grind for min-maxing azerite armor traits alone, each patch, is quite excessive as well. Although casually raiding in Classic definitely requires more commitment than casually raiding in retail, just comparing a top end to a low end is a bruh moment.
classic is a joke bruh, u can clear molten core with green gear, the world buff thing is totally useless
@@filipefranca5866 the world buffs aren't useless they just arent needed, but I dont mind grabbing the ony buff just for some extra dps, and when my guild does progression we grab DM tribute and Hakkar buff aswell, it only takes like 30 minutes so i dont mind, it always helps. When we wipe i don't see a massive decrease in dps,. we dont raid log we just grab the buffs then go.
A guild just killed Onyxia with THREE people only,buffs aren't needed at all
@@Evencane sounds more resonable like this.
I never experienced the toxicity of classic but definitely have some stories from BC to current about how nuts people can be. Coming from the PvP community especially it can be insane. I remember back when people used skype a lot more that DDoS attacks were pretty common, people would check to see if you were in an arena match and if they ever shared a call with you they could really mess you up. Crazy times man...
Yeah, pvp is fun but not fun when people get mad over it
Says "I've dabbled in world buffs."
*Literally has a horde priest for buffing himself*
Lel
I miss Barrens chat.
I heard that Chuck Norris already beat WoW Shadowlands.
The community is why I quit Classic, I guess I'm a care bear, but I just couldn't take it any more. People are just flat out mean.
It's not just mean, they chase everyone away and then say it's the game or the game is mean't for hardcore players. Anyone can play classic, they just don't want us to.
i remember having a good time adding ppl on my ignore list ...back in vanilla
People hide behind their fake names and behave like assholes.
The thing I don't like about the community is that you have to play the best spec of your class, or they don't take you to a raid. So I'm now at a point where I want to respec, but because I can't get raid gear anymore I'm stuck in my other spec.
6:42 I watched this about 3 weeks ago and I still can’t wrap my head around this
at 5:41 he talks about how the smallest dog barks the loudest which is undeniably true in every game I have ever played. However I am the quiet one and also suck so theres that. But yeah true skill isn't based on performance in a single match/BG so I don't give people a hard time about doing bad because it might be their first game on or they are having a rough day ect.