'It's Bang Out Of Order!' Ten Hag's Turbulent Time EXPLAINED!
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- Just what did Erik ten Hag have to deal with in his first two seasons as Manchester United manager? Joe Smith, Jay Motty and Joe McGrath discuss the recent Athletic article by Laurie Whitwell which delves into the problems the manager faced.
Read the full article here: www.nytimes.com/athletic/5549...
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Chapters:
0:00 - Coming Up
0:20 - Intro
0:30 - Video Start
1:05 - Athletic Article
3:05 - ETH
4:15 - Ronaldo
5:45 - Sancho
6:50 - Casemiro
7:05 - Varane
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Hit LIKE if you think we need to get behind Ten Hag
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Good article or not, i dont think you should be giving whitwell a second of airtime. Absolutely toxic piece of ****
Watch on youtube ---> 'ajax tikitaka under tenhag, the philosophy of ajax'. It is crazy how some people think he isn't that good. We need players than can play his way.
I agree but like hunting like this doesnt make you look that great mate... Make a comment worth liking instead of asking for it like a begger...
@@warlorddk2070 Especially since TenHag has been totally unable to show any system whatso ever at United. We have zero tiki taka and our passing is atrocious. TenHag OUT!!!
Can you imagine the strength of the manager to put up a brave face and defend the team and management in spite of the immense pressure he was juggling. The only time he spoke for himself was when he was asked about his future AFTER he won the FA Cup. That shows remarkable strength of character. Kudos Erik!
While everyone calls him delusional, he's been papering over cracks all season, to get through
THANK YOU BOTH.
That's exactly why ten hag is the right man for the job, atleast short term. Imagine Jose at this point, he would have ripped into everyone, the players medical, media, everyone! Same with conte or tuchel.. Ole was completely out of his depth by then. Ten Hag, on the other hand, had character enough to maintain discipline on how he himself conducted thru the situation. He might need to learn to adapt or else get replaced, but short term, I 100% back him for it
@@abhishek9510 - 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I agree but it's passive. It needs immediate reaction rather than sitting back and letting it play out imo.
It's been 2 years since Ten Hag was appointed, and he's dealt with 10 years worth of drama without complaining. He's the most United manager I've seen since Fergie. Hope he gets to build properly.
This is incredibly revealing, thanks to Laurie for lifting the cover on these issues. No wonder last season was such a mess.
@@Charlie_Nicesee, that’s the problem right there mate. You and many others have been letting these underperforming players off for far too long now.
I could understand your logic in backing them without question, if we were being successful, winning leagues and that.
But the vast majority of these players have been awful for years, and getting away with it under the Glazers.
Maybe it’s time to actually get behind a manager for once. These players have been getting free passes for too long 🔰
That's why I'll never want a manager sacked until all the dead wood is gone. We never hear the true story until it's too late.
@Charlie_Nice you are clueless on football. Pathetic
@@Charlie_Nice Jog on. You're not paying attention.
@@Charlie_NiceYOU ARE A BIG F00L
I have always said that if Ineos walked into that change room and told the players that Erik will outlast all of them, abject performances would be gone in an instant. If we have a successful transfer window ESPECIALLY with the OUTS, watch these players perform like their lives depend on it next season. Erik staying (whether you like him or not) is the ONLY way to end player power.
Well said.
Well said bro
Martinez is absolutely integral to his system.
Need more players like him. Can't have one just one player who can do it.
Martinez is definitely this team's Roy Keane. Top performer, scares opposition, inspires teammates, we just need him to stay fit.
@@SethusDAlol some have potential but no one in current team can be compared to Roy keane let's not be silly😂
@@Jamiestanlee471can’t you just let someone be positive?
No system should fall apart when you lose just one player
Mirrors what Rangnick was saying...manager after manager can't be wrong! Player power is the main problem at United.
@@Charlie_Nice It wasn't luck. He out-tactic'ed Pep. Pep can't even win without Rodri, and Ten Hag beat him WITH Rodri.
English p overrated players like trashford fat clinic shaw tractor maguire
@@Charlie_Niceokay man. Believe what you want
@@Charlie_Nicewhat was peps record against ole again.
@@Charlie_Niceanybody who gives your message a cursory glance is deffo gonna know what you are.
A right Charlie!
The Athletic are elite man great to get these insights. Proves EtH was handling multiple situations like a boss. He’s rebooting the mentality at the club and I’m here for it
Pure pr for ten hag the continental tony Pulis . Never seen so many long balls played by a utd team.
@@neilthornton3544if you actually think that, then tactics aren't your thing, mate. It's for everyone
@@neilthornton3544 don’t embarrass yourself, son.
They used one example from one game and extrapolated it out across and entire season. It's nonsense.
No it's just Laurie Witwell who is an elite journalist. The other Journalists at the Athletics spent the whole season slagging Ten Hag on hearsay rumors.
And everyone wondered why he fell out with varane and blamed ten hag. may this be an eye opener for people
No, Sadly it will not be an eye opener for them😂 the ETH out movement is not based on logic
@@Charlie_Nice relegation? 😂 dream on mate. You going to out a adult comment down or?
@@Charlie_Nice The ETH movement is about people clinging to players who have experienced past glory and dont understand theyre old now, and people who somehow think we're just a manager away from being the united of old, and not a completey overhaul of the squad. We finished 8th and had a negative goal difference because players like Ronaldo, Varane, and Casemeiro constantly seeded desent, and on top of that played with like 15 different back 4s due to injury and bedding in new players on top of that. Its illogical to just look at the table and go 'THATS BAD' without looking at the myriad of circumstances around it.
@@nothing-to7iyhave fun next season lol it's going to be fun watching fans cry the board bout not sacking him sooner whilst we will standing there and telling you to stop being plastic and to back you ,manager
@@Charlie_Nice it literally says in the article the players aren't doing what ten hag tells them. Dropping too deep. Casimero obviously can't be arsed. So yeah if united signed one or two centre backs and a CDM who would cover the ground a lot of the defensive issues id expect would be resolved. On top of defence you also have lazy played like rashford who pretend press at best. So the team is defensively lacking from the front. And don't say it's the managers job to motivate them. This is the toxic culture at the club where player power has run wild
Ralf warned the club.. get players on 1st contracts and get rid of the prima donas..
Exactly the type of content we want from this channel. Questioning mainstream media narratives with actual detail. You guys been smashing it recently. Looking forward to Monday.
I remember at the start of the season when Varane and Casemiro were fit but not playing, people were saying ten Hag can't manage big players. But now reports are coming out that Varane and Casemiro were challenging his instructions. Here lies the problem, players who think they are too big to learn something new. They were great players and they were good for United to a point, but if you won't follow your manager's instruction, please feel free to walk out the door. And the worst part of it is that in front of the press, Ten Hag kept making himself look like a fool while defending these players. There is no greater disloyalty a player can show, that a manager backs you to the detriment of that manager's reputation, and the faith is never repaid.
If I fell into a pool Carragher is the type to tell me I'm wet and take credit for the observation
He's such a drag on Stick to Football. Keep Wazza and Jill.
😂😂😂
The "why isn't Varane playing if he's available" question from earlier this season has finally been answered
Jadon Sancho has been such a disappointment. Really liked the guy, then goes on with his prima donna attitude after winning that lottery contract. I think he really thought that he was a superstar and had reached those heights. A complete United failure. Poor attitude, can't follow instructions... even at Dortmund, he was just negligible, went missing in major games. Can't press, can't run... I am just disappointed.
He's a testament to how poor our transfer strategy has been. We've bought a player, with a bad attitude, who didn't want to play where we bought him to play, it's outrageous
Spot on.cannot have them types of players..id rather have effort over top top quality
flop
Sancho is the strangest case I've ever seen at manutd. Never seen such a talented player willing to throw away so much for so little. And he seems to truly believe his talent is worth the club risking it's principles for. Was disappointed when a story broke out a few weeks back that he'd only return to manutd if ETH is sacked. That right away tells his employers all they need to know about his team work ethic.
This is an expensive Ole mistake, who has the tendency to favor underperforming British passports.
Good on you guys for discussing this article and dispelling a ton of myths that Player FC have been using against Ten Hag.
One thing you missed though was Erik's rationale for not changing his system. In one interview a few months back (might have been with the Dutch newspaper), he explained that if he changed his system with so many players injured then the players who *have* been playing will need a new system coached into them, and then when the injured players return they will need to be coached to do the opposite again, while playing with returning players who have only known one system. In other words, you got half the current squad playing under one system and the returning players playing under a different one.
So I feel that context is important because it makes sense, ESPECIALLY when we now know that it wasn't player's who couldn't play the right system, they just didn't want to (Ronaldo, Sancho, Casemiro, Varane, and all the younger players they were influencing).
You really don’t want to let your bias go
@@ikemsocial9475Look who's talking 😂
Confirmation EtH is the man for the job! Under massive scrutiny he chose to not throw his players under the bus (even the ones that deserved it!)
I’ve never seen a supposedly top player play worse for such a long period as Casemiro this year only for him to pull a strop after getting dropped in the cup final then to find out he has been undermining the manager the whole time is so disappointing. Time for him to join Ronaldo in Saudi where he won’t have to worry about being a team player and can get everything his way. I hope he gets sunburnt.
PS - bit of a cheek for the Real boys to moan about how we should copy a Madrid team ETH’s much cheaper, younger and less experienced smashed 4 past at the Bernabau but I guess they also see themselves as not only top players but elite football minds.
Complete copium, he made the same mistakes time and time again. One match has saved him but I’ll be putting together a montage of these clowns backing someone so useless when he gets the sack next season. Journalists that only back the narrative they want because of this false tradition of backing the manager regardless of how shit he is unless it’s Moyes or LVH
@@CaughtColdBoxingIt's genuinely like you didn't listen to anything in the video at all.
@@CaughtColdBoxing Just go support another team if you don't want to back them
Why don’t united have a breach of contract clause? You refuse to follow the managers instructions or say you’re not playing in a position he wants you to play. Then you don’t get paid. They can keep it in house, but it’s a fuck about and find out. You don’t cross the boss. Then we can blame the manager when the tactics don’t work.
No mention of PR man Rashford and why he has been so lazy and jogging about the pitch all last season.
At least he was jogging. Did you see Casemiro walking back into defence while Coventry players were jogging past him in the semi final. Keep the critism equal, its not all on Rashford, he's an forward not a CDM. Plus I know Marcus is one of a few that had a bad season but I find it funny United fans miss all the runs he was making while the ball was never passed to him.
@@LeeTAZ-sl7de Comparing him to Casemiro is just Whataboutery. The fact is Rashford is United's highest earner and his workrate and body language absolutely stunk last season. He went out partying after United got thrashed by City and lied about partying in Belfast after he missed training. He then had the cheek to make a PR video where he played victim and complained about fans questioning his commitment. Rashford seems to be detached from reality in my opinion and his ability can't match his PR and media hype.
@@LeeTAZ-sl7deRashford had one good season in a man utd shirt. So yeah, keep defending average players. As a forward, if you can't score 30+ goals in a season as a United player while earning 300k+ a week, you also better be tracking back for every minute you play.
@@benedictjajo that's literally a complete lie, he's had multiple good seasons. also, what were the reasons of him not performing during those bad seasons?
This is why we need at least two new CB and have to get rid of Lindelof and Maguire. Also: with how slowly some of our players learn and adapt, I understand ETH's reasoning...
They've got to be quick. Makes me concerned about de ligt rumors. Slow turn as a battleship.
@@playedout148can’t possibly be slower than a fridge
@@playedout148hasn't De Ligt also has a lot of injuries? Given our recent injury record we really can't afford to be signing players who aren't avaliable.
@@l1nx258He hasn't, just the last season. His record is fine.
We can keep both, Varane is gone so we need depth. Maguire has played well last season.
My respect has grown 10X for him. I can't wait for next season, and he gets everyone back on board with a team of players getting after it for the badge!!
It will be glorious to see the FANBOYS of those players go livid 😂🍿
They will always find excuses
@@EnshroudedLadAnd here we got these FANBOYS all coming out with excuses. Enjoying their misery after reading their comments 😅
It shows the problem of buying " Galacticos" who've won the lot is a bad strategy. They are set in their ways because it has been incredibly successful. We need players that are hungry and are willing to be coached. That's not to say that the younger players;Rashford, Sancho, Antony etc are blameless. Their attitude has been wrong.
Ten Hag deserves respect just for having to deal with all this mess and doing it with dignity
And still won two trophies (three finals).
Don't forget ego
@@TheGrimmCommoner big trophies
Dude has no tactics
@@KamiKazeE9999the squad is a mid table squad tho.
Get real the clubs a mess
@@KamiKazeE9999respect your opinion 👌 but how many prem managers won trophies. Days of sir Alex have gone, just happy memories.
All fans calling for ETH should be embarrassed and ashamed about the call for him to be sacked when this shit was going on behind closed doors as well as injuries galore.
But 8th, negative goal difference! 😭 They'll still just make that argument, because they refuse to acknowledge there's been issues that aren't his fault
Listen bro, understand one thing. Most of these people behind those comments tune into the game to see the club win. For many, its a way to get some dopamine hit and forget the hardships of their life. Its a real psychological effect of being dependent on external factors to drive your mood. There is no point arguing with them, because they'll never accept the grey areas of truly managing man utd. If you see some of those comments, its always highlighting the negatives, because that's what their brain is wired to focus on unless the team wins. That's why these people (mostly kids i presume) keep coming back to every public forum and saying the same things. Add to it, you got the media like sun and dailymirror who survive of crisis clickbaits that further fuel this chaos. Also rival fans pose as utd fans for a bit of fun, and that's the fuel for it. Its the price to pay for being one of the biggest followed clubs. If you think about it, hater adored ignored is never been more relavant.. So, cheers! Tune out the noise. Its mostly not in our control, just enjoy the good stuff, live with the struggles.
@ste4392 honestly it's been a crazy season and we have look absolutely awful, but with senior players doing this and all them damn injuries. I know the cup was a 1 off win but 3 finals in 2 seasons and 2 trophies we can't just ignore that. He clearly knows how to win even with a squad like this. Can only hope the new backroom staff members make us better
It's worrying just how many United fans are acting like rivals, they either don't have patience or they are so scared of banter they just go along.
He didn't have to play those players. The standards at united now are in the bin
I have been saying it. ETG played miracles to achieve what he achieved in that S. Show.
I swear I’ve been defending ten Hag all season. I told people over and over he said United couldn’t play his style of play.
SERIOUSLY: asking players to play basic tactical football in the midfield and having them not even attempt to do so is solely on THE PLAYERS.
Look, if everyone holds their lines, moves in tandem according to the given structure and where the ball is -- it takes LESS EFFORT to carry out a basic press. For people who do not get this, if you watch basketball it’s literally the same thing when a team press their opposition in their opposition’s half. It only takes one player to fail to position themselves correctly for the entire press to fall apart. And for United, that player was -- Casemiro.
This was an EFFORT issue, not. ten Hag issue.
AND: the claim about lack of flexibility is bs. Obviously ten Jags was flexible… ask Cristiano Ronaldo. Oh, WAIT! Don’t because he’ll lie through his teeth and say it didn’t happen.
Let’s hope he gets rid of the dead wood in that side . Casemiro gotta go . Need two CB a striker and another midfielder. If we get two injuries we just struggling straight away we have to change this with depth
God it sounds like ETH from this has had a complete and utter shit storm to deal with behind the scenes. So disappointing to hear that these vets where undermining him.
The fans who actually pay attention knew this already
@dannysabbath2562 Give it a rest, I live for man united and I never suspected any of this garbage from seasoned professionals.
@@ReverZe83 sounds like a you issue. This wasn't/isn't a new thing under ETH.
@@ReverZe83you could clearly see it, Casemiro was walking around the pitch while Coventry players were jogging past him during the semi final. People's obsession with players pace has masked the fact that a player doesn't need to be quick, just intelligent.
casemiro tell ten hag ill solve his problem
now im the problem
Quality chat lads.
Every time the press and pundits will mention 8 th being the worst position in the EPL. Nobody wants to remind us that when SAF took over the club during the first division days the club was out of the top 10 THREE TIMES in 6 years. 13 th once and 11 th twice. Only in 1993/94 EPL season he won the title. But no one want to upset SAF, do they?
Are you forgetting the first premier League season in 92/93? That was our first league title in 26 years.
This is old news we have known this he told us in interviews . Plus he told us its a 3 year plan but if ur player get injured it slows it down. Get on board or feck off .
I believe The pressure he has experienced this season has made him tough and im hopeful he will do better next season (ten hag)
It's all part of the steps to greater things
Someone wrote an interesting analysis piece on Reddit about Man United playing a higher line when Maguire is in the team. They showed this with official stats from Opta, I think it was. Maguire, to me, comes across as the kind of player who listens to his manager and does what they ask. This backs up Laurie's claim that it was some of the defenders dropping too deep rather than the manager telling them to play deep. I'm looking at Varane and Lindelof mainly. And maybe Evans because of his age/lack of pace, not because I don't think he listens to TH.
More likely it's simply the Athletic taking one example and extrapolating it out for an entire season. It's awful journalism
The Ronaldo, Greenwood and Sancho issues were obviously a huge problem long before it was news stories.
The dressing room must've been diabolical.
So this journo had nothing to write about Rashford?
I would like to say something about this title ETH was right, it should be ETH is right! Thanks guys for covering this subject as it is sorely needed. I will always revel in the way Rolando. Casimero, Varane and the rest have played for United, but we are in a new dawn and to hear you heralding it gives me comfort and confidence for the road ahead.
I don't think we will ever truly know just how much damage Ronaldo did to ten Hag's position in the dressing room.. His attitude around the other players, on the pitch, the interview and then getting out of his contract.
He's retired now so thats that. Was a United legend from first go round but his leaving and return have damaged his legacy.
Careful mate, you'll get all the Ronaldo lunatics on your case
This is the problem with past it players. Still living on past glory
He's always been poison. Of course when he was in his prime his attitude problems would be ignored because of the goals he contributed.
@@creepingbrainyeah he was a means to an end first stint. Certainly not second time round
It doesn't help if nearly every week we have different players in defence. The defence is the foundation. Which is why I think England won't win the euros, and France will. I really hope we do well with Ten Hag next season. C'mon United!
The manager is being asked to play a certain way. he is then given players who do no want to play that way. The team puts up bad performances as a result. The manager is then expected to take on the blame, while the architects of the issue and players remain. If this does no change it does not matter who the manager is.
He specifically asked for those players. He's spent nearly half a billion. It's his squad and he delivered 8th with a negative goal difference.
@@inBODwetrust13 I think you're mistaken. Casimero was his signing, but Varane and Sancho were not.
@@inBODwetrust13He specifically asked for FDJ, Kim Min Jae, Pavard, Kane, instead got more loaned players thn Burnley
Said it all season about the line, he wanted it higher and the defence we had predominantly wants to drop, either through physical or mental decisions. Get some quicker, braver CBs in and see how we do next season
ETH didn’t buy Sancho if I remember correctly.
But he did buy Antony.
@@davidtuer5825It was a last resort since Sancho wouldn't play on the side that Ten Hag wanted him to play on.
Yes it was a bad choice but we have now a better understanding on why he was so desperate on having him and pressing for him to come at United.
Well done guys i had hoped this vid came out late last year because ETH had been saying in several post match interviews he wanted his backline to stay high up but they never did especially Lindelof and Maguire. thats why I've been saying since January united NEED to sell Lindelof and Maguire and sign TWO quick ball playing defenders that is the most important thing united need to do
Bit confusing this report, ETH has not been afraid of dropping or dealing with players look at Ronaldo and sancho, yet he was gonna let varane and Casemiro whinge and moan? He has been full of praise and support for both even when they both seemed tired and not performing. ETH would dropped them full stop and moved them on in January
The reason is that he actually had no fit players to take those positions. Now he can drop them but last season, he really had no choice
He did drop Varane for some games. He dropped Casemiro for the final as well ( to the bench and then Casemiro got “injured”) I mean if Casemiro is playing CB at times, you know that times are tough. Also you should listen to his post match interview on itv post the FA cup final. He said that due to injuries he was forced to pick some players even tho they weren’t performing cause he had no other options. You also have to remember that this board is incompetent. They have held onto Martial for ages cause one of the Glazers “liked him”. Expecting them to sell players well is like expecting a donkey to win the Kentucky derby
He did drop varane. You can’t move players on who have huge contracts no-one else would pay.
@@shaunakkulhalli nah Casemiro was actually injured and he wasn't fit as well but i agree with you.
Go back and watch the spurs v Ajax CL semi, same problem, 6 years earlier.
so incredibly glad you guys covered this, reading the article was shock to say the least. to think he was dealing with all this and he still never managed to throw the players bus is just crazy man. dissappointed as well because guys like Varane and Cas behaving like this when they're seniors is just insane
If they had actually sacked ten Hag, it would have been one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in football history.
Casemiro was GREAT in his first season.. his 2nd he played half the games due to injury.: played Centerback and had to carry a 19 year old with him
That 19 year old carried him, not the other way around
@@lucasvanwijngaarden670 What you said 👌👌👌🫡
A breathtakingly serious discussion by three lads who really know their footie! Masterful well done lads! ETH has been treated disgracefully by the vultures in the media and the rats in the dressing room!
Ronaldo never loved United the way us fans loved him. Then when he came back and realized it's not Fergie's United anymore he decided cutting ties with the club he "loves" in that fashion was worth it. I'll always love what he did for us in the past, but he completely f'd up our momentum. He caused issues for Ole, Ten Hag, Cavani, Rangnick and who knows what else. There was a window of opportunity for us to actually get back to competing sooner but his transfer made it impossible.
Can you please ask Laurie about other players such as Martial and Donny? What their issues were. Why did we send Pellistri, Alvarez and Mejbri out on loan? Why did we send Reguillon back when we needed a LB? I remember Reguillons first game and he was great. Showed heart! Laurie's article was fantastic. Gave so much insight and confirmed to me that it's been a player problem all along.
Reguillon was sent back because the medical staff told ETH that the LB situation was fixed because both Shaw and Malacia would be returning. That's from ETH in an interview. The 3 young guys, I don't know. Howson doesn't think Pellistri is up to snuff to displace other contenders for that position, so that might also be the ETH view.
Glazer decisions. Also, he was told he'd have two fit left backs and ended up with non..trying to blame ten hag just shows you don't understand football. You must be gutted he got a new 2 year contract 😂
in case you haven't noticed, Martial has left on a free. Donny is likely to be sold, Pellistri might be sold, Alvarez was loaned with a sell option which Benfica activated (we have a buy-back at a fixed rate, sell-on clause) so we'll be aight. Hannibal might be sold because of competition in midfield but I'll like to see him stay because he's a very talented player, just needs to cool it sometimes.
The players need time to get used to a new system and it's easier for new players to join that system if the team around them is already used to it. Deviating from the system because people are injured isn't going to help the team in the long run, and it worked out in the City game. United would've got more points, but at the cost of an FA Cup.
Now he's hopefully going to get players that want to perform and play for the club.
Excellent analysis today, boys.
Great show. Really good insight and a solid article to begin with.
Not surprised to hear all this ~ this notion that somehow ETH didn’t see the massive gaps in more than half of our games this season always cracked me up. It was obvious. Of course he saw it.
This makes a lot of sense. And is further proof that we need to stick with our club ethos of signing and developing young talent and not going for aged Madrid castoff~types, no matter how great they might appear to be.
We need young players to build a legacy at MUFC! We must stop buying the legacy of other clubs
Ten Hag Nov 4th in a sky sports article "I can't play like Ajax because I have different players," he's been saying this for a while
Can't wait to clear out these players, I always knew the players were against him, I didn't expect Casemiro or Varane tbh but it all makes sense.
Happy I never for a sec had any doubt in ETH
Absolute nonsense. Ten hag finished 8th with minus goal difference. Stop this nonsense. He made things hard for himself.
Go support another team you irrational child. Support the manager not these overpaid divas
Brilliant critical analysis. Well done.
I bet you feel you added something sensible 😂😂
Clear to see sancho signed for the money because how did he think he was gonna start on the left over rashford 😂
Says a lot about Sancho that he didn’t want to play on the right but used Antony as his excuse to play the victim.
How do we know any of this is even true though…
Laurie Whitwell is Ornstein when it comes to United. Been reporting and close to the club since Fergie's 1st days in charge. He is/was also Editor of the Man United Matchday magazine, United Review. So this is as Tier 1 as you can get so highly likely it's true
I don’t think ETH is a good communicator
this is why journalists are not experts in football and get things wrong. la liga is not slower or just worse than EPL therefore you can play with more 'liberal' tactics. La liga is based on player intelligence and concepts which are more appealing to world class mature players. some of the visible issues on the pitch show that the players dont know the concepts or ETH didnt teach them and that must be disheartening for players that have been exposed to high level tactics. EPL is not smart football, why 1 intelligent manager can cake walk it for almost a decade.
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@@einarsveinsson331 i coached in portugal and spain for 15 years. they laugh at us.
Ronny shouldn't be pressing alot at his age TBF when you sign that sort off player you make it work for them Ronny wouldn't be playing now if he pressed in the prem like a mad man just a clash off styles that's all
5:04
This, absolutely this. I’m EtH in, but he was part of the problem in a way as well. Idc what tactics or man-management skills were there or weren’t there, CR7 & Sancho departures meant he’s taking no prisoners, which hurts us now but good for future. Slippery slope
Nonsense any other manager would of said I'm done a long time ago
Remember how poor Liverpool were in Klopp's 1st season as he started to impose his style of football on the team. Changing the way players respond to situations on the pitch during a game takes time. The key will be to see whether or not the performance improves during next season.
Wow imagine that, I've beens saying all season that the gap in midfield is in large due to the lack of CBs capable of playing a high line.
It's not that a high press is tactically flawed, it's the fact the players he has at his disposal can't execute it properly.
Sure he could have abandoned the idea earlier, but with the available CBs all he could play was counter attacking football with a low defensive block and fans would hate him for doing that.
Yeah your eyes work like everyone else's lol
@@jonathanheywood5482 And yet people seemed confused why Ten Hag didn't "fix" the gap in midfield.
In Gary Neville's interview, he said exactly why he didn't want to abandon the idea. Also, abandoning the idea means he never gets to introduce his tactics because he's always pandering to players.
@@EnshroudedLad I know, and he got criticized for saying that too. I know the majority is in favor of Ten Hag, but those who are against him will paint everything in a bad light.
Any counting of the events around Sancho reveal a player who chose to not play for multiple managers. Commentators who have carried water for Sancho, & there are so many, can't be forgotten.
I don’t think TH has been faultless in his time here. However he has done a lot of good in this time also. Now ineos are in, hopefully provide the support needed in recruitment ins & out, improving the working environment. Confidence did waver a bit but I’m glad we are backing him into the next season. Couple cb’s & midfielders, another striker. Clear out the last 5,6,7 of players not needed we can have a bit of hope. GGMU
Faultless? What would you fault him for? I'm curious.
@@EnshroudedLad you think he's got nothing wrong? He didn't address to gap in the middle, there has been an issue with his signings, he didn't sort the problem with how low the passing to Hojlund was. There are things, but I'm firmly 10Hag in
@ste4392 The gap in the middle has been explained quite well in this video. I'll agree with you on the passing to hojlund.
@@EnshroudedLad I know and I agree with the reasoning, but also he didn't try to adapt and that is his fault. I do honestly agree with what he said to Neville though about changing the way you play. You have to start then trying to implement your style again, but a more pragmatic approach would probably have improved our league position. I just think it's balanced and a lot of people either think he's shite or perfect, suppose that's the Internet for you though haha
@ste4392 No one's perfect I guess. Adapting IMO would be introducing a player to match the quality of an opposition player like Wan Bissaka against Doku but not changing an entire style of play because players cannot run.
Joe saying that his master plan wasn’t coming off and maybe should of mixed it up or something but then you also said the style was laid out by the hierarchy so maybe he didn’t feel like he had the option to at that time..
A master plan also isn’t short term, and deviating in the short term prevents the master plan ever coming off.
A great show lads, joe is believe what i told him when he got on the train at Stockport to manni, i honestly think that un years to come we will all be happy that ETH wasn't sacked. This manager is one of the best and when he gets in the players he wants and the players with the right attitude we will see how ETH wants his team to play and fight for each other and the club, just like he did with go eagles and Ajax and take this club forward as fergie did after the club stuck by him after 89/90 season.... WIN LOSE Or DRAW ALWAYS UTD 💪💪 COME ON UTD 💪💪💯💯
Got outmost respect for ETH for believing in his way of leadership and wanting to win at old Trafford despite of all this.none of British coaches would have prevailed under these events. ETH❤
Defenders dropping deep lol with Maguire and lindersoft what do you expect there's roadkill quicker than both .
This is amazing insight into the internal mess that ETH was dealing with. How come it’s only being reported now and not earlier when it all happened?
Great insight
Ugh sounds like a fucking nightmare
Everything here boils down to ETH not being able to get buy in from bigger players. It’s actually a worry
Not really. Fergie had the same. The players are a mixture of not being up to it and not being hungry for it.
Some shocking insights. Good show!
It’s difficult to get a decent large number of this fanbase to understand. You will hear ‘it’s Ten Hags job to get control of these players’. It’s a valid point if this hasn’t already happened with 3/4 previous managers. There comes a point where you have to start putting the blame on the right people. For a very long time we haven’t been. And I would say it is probably the main issue as to why we have been so unsuccessful for so long.
The football philosophy of the likes of Ten Hag and Pep are similar where players are allowed to do 2 or 3 things on the pitch. This is means that players are never allowed to fully express themselves - unless they’re Messi of course. This is the case with most modern managers and in stark contrast to Real Madrid’s philosophy and Carlo Ancelotti in particular where players are encouraged to take more ownership on the tactics and own their position and make decisions before the game and during the game about how they should play there.
It’s easier for players to play for Pep / Eth as they’re told exactly what to do and they just need to stick that, while playing for Ancelotti requires higher footballing IQ from players and decision making skills. Players like
Ronaldo NEEDED his coaches to trust his football IQ and involve him in the tactics formulation which would never happen under Ten Hag and that’s why their relationship was doomed from the beginning.
Sancho didn't want to play on the right but played as a false 9? Meanwhile Rashford was asked to play center forward and move a bit to the right, he threw his tools down and went to party and yet he starts every game and plays shit in all?? There is no sense here
As always, thx guys for wonderfully honest content! Pls ponder this list of players......Pogba, Sancho, Antony, Ronaldo, Martial, Greenwood, Rashford, Shaw, Lukaku, Eriksen, Lingard, Varane, Casemiro, etc etc etc. How can players be termed Top Professionals or World Class if they lack Commitment to give sincere effort for the team and teammates, refuse to work within unfavored formations deemed beneficial for the team, fail to find the character necessary to graft out success, fail to understand that successful group endeavors require de-emphasis on personal brands, etc etc etc. We remark for years with shocked surprise that "at the moment" the attitudes and behaviors of the players is "shocking", yet the consistently displayed attitudes and behaviors of the players could be described as Self-consumed or Narcissistic? All these players...and others unnamed....must be ACCOMODATED by others, regarding field positioning and effort. How can players be World Class if they require special accomodation ? I left Fernandes off the list so i could address him here......hmmm, imagine being a midfielder required to "play with Bruno". Imagine that. Wandering around without Positional Responsibility, leaving massive holes in a midfield that has been overrun a thousand times, often unavailable as a source of potential distribution unless the distributor might be named Scholes or Pirlo. Lolol. When Bruno is playing above the #9, I would choose to kick the ball over the touchline and berate him publicly. This team of Overpraised, Overpaid, Overaccomodated Prats is not just unsuccessful but they are unlikeable, showing zero of the effort and graft that the United Fanbase put in every day of their lives. But we idolize these adolescents, demanding nothing....ultimately meaning that we will be disappointed as we Hope for everything. Surprise!....wasnt it obvious to anyone ever witnessing successful or unsuccessful families or workplaces, etc...that Ralf Rangnick was 100% correct? Open Heart Surgery!!
Sorry to add more but pls consider this unattactive idea.....that YOU play, as I do, on a self-respecting Over-50 Mens league team, and that the minimum requirements are Effort, Communication, Cooperation. Roll those together and it comprises Responsibility in service of team goals. None of us are Professionals paid quite highly by a team which can expect a professional commitment in return for a massive paycheck. Yet, those responsibilities are universally emitted by every player. No Coercive Elicitation is ever required. Win or lost, the team is fully satisfied with our internal state. Ronaldo condescendingly rolling his eyes at a physical miscue or pouting at players not doing his work for him? Pogba deliberately displaying a lack of concern, in hopes that someone may become concerned about His Internal Happiness? lolol. This group of Prats would find hard consequences, and certainly prior to halftime. Wake up, United Fans.....the lack of commitment and effort are not anomalies.....these have become Club Standards. Out With The Children!
Myself and others were saying theres no way the manager isn’t telling them to do things differently and if we can see at large points in the season that the players were not doing simple things like attacking 50/50 balls and second chance balls and closing down passing lanes and if they aren’t doing the simple things that everyone who has played at any competitive level knows to do and still gets told to do then they certainly aren’t doing other things they are being told that are harder or higher level things either.
The purchase of Ronaldo was a mistake that derailed all the progress that had been made by OGS in starting to build an exciting young squad that was feared by all the big teams and played very exciting football.
Thanks for the insight😮
And what's the story with Rashford
This makes the fact that we were looking for another manager disgraceful
Whoever set up the chapters did a terrible job, theyre all over the place. Liked the video though
10.40...joe looks like he just got caught having a line and someone walked in on him 😅
A tactician needs more young players with less ego than some of the experienced players like Ronaldo. That way he can mold players into his plan. He is looking to build and army. It needs to have decipline and ability to adjust. More importantly, needs players to fit the roles and not the other way.
the truth is from here in Uganda we dont rate English football thinkers highly.. we saw what he (Ten Hag)was all about but the English especially Jimmy and many of those stupid pundits preffer to put all there lack of knowledge and impartiality.
the truth is when he changes to dit the players he is blamed when he is trying his style they still blame him.
England will never be anything greater than their clubs even this English club will tank untill England changes
Shocking but not surprised . Actions speak louder than words .
smart fans would see this - some of the players we have dont listen or cant understand what is needed
Why so short guys😢
I still want to watch it longer
Having read the Athletic article it is clear Ten Hag has been a terrible man manager since day 1.
Wanting to change the way one of the best footballers ever, Ronaldo played, after he had just scored 18 goals in an awful United team/season was foolish.
Wanting to change the way big money signings, Varane and Casemiro played was equally foolish.
This is NOT player power, after all Cantona got away with so much more because of what he could do on the pitch. Ronaldo, Varane, Caemiro, that is an important part of the starting XI.
His bad man management is highlighted by how he handled Sancho.
Ten Hag chose Antony over Gapko, it seems, because United could not afford them both, same as they could not afford Kane, however could they? Keep De Gea, do not sign Mount or Onana and there is the money for Kane and his wages
It is annoying to read that Internally it was agreed that signing Hojlund meant United adjusted their expectations for last season
The Athletic article should be read as a lesson by Ten Hag.
Ten Haag clearly has struggled with man management, he has big name stars to handle, he never had that at Ajax
He changed his process before the cup final, but,
with some of the best ever man managers on his door step, Alex Ferguson, Jim Ratcliffe and Dave Brailsford, Ten Hag would be wise to seek their advice and learn from his mistakes.
No one can disagree with Brailsford when, the Athletic says, he feels athletes should be excited at getting to their place of work, that is the same in every place of employment.
Clicks is what they want. No content
Thank you gents
I think one of the main reasons he stuck with his game plan was to highlight the players that were incapable of adapting to it. 3D cheese move
Yes, it was a stress test. See who was up to it and who wasn’t, for whatever reason.
We knock casemiro n varane for questioning ten hag but they delivered when it mattered trophy time,the other squatters havent for 4/5 seasons under 5 different managers but for the help of these stars.
I can’t believe after all this revealing details and him winning 2 cups and people still think ETH is the problem and should go 🙄 they must really want Southgate as the new coach 🤣
But why did ten Hag allow this to happen ALL season!?
And please don’t give me injuries as an excuse. We lost FOUR of our opening SIX games with virtually a full strength team/ squad!
It happened in the very first game at home to Wolves and nothing changed thereafter!
Where was ten Hag’s coaching skills then!
He coached us once, THE CUP FINAL!
Nuff said!