American Reacts to European Pick-up Trucks
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In Europe the van takes over the role the pickup truck has in the US: any spec you can choose on a pickup truck is available on a van as well, and it's bought both as private vehicle and work vehicle with trim lines which fit the one or other purpose
Right, "Van"s as Flatbed, Cover n. Frame or Boxed with more space as Pick-Ups are the more common work-trucks, transporters and campers in europe.
Like VW Transporter/Crafter, MAN TGE, Mercedes Sprinter, Renault Master, Fiat Ducato, Ford Transit, IVECO Daily and such..
Pick-Ups are mostly lifestyle, thats why mercedes stopped the model x back in 2020, not enough sells/margin.
Beside the difference of driver license and the higher weight plays a mayor in this too.
As example i can transport with a Ford Transit 1.3 ton more Cargo comapred to a Ford F150, as a Driver License B holder.
So to play out the full load capacity of a Pick Up truck well you need a Driver License C.
But in what case you can drive trucks and well, Pick Ups making in what case no sense at all.
@@asokawhite the max payload on a Ford Transit is 1.296 kg, but that's only on the specific model "350 L3 Front", compared to the Transit's lowest payload of 843 kg on the "290 L2 Front" model.
You can't transport 1.3 ton more, you can transport 1.3t, that's it.
I have a C1 and still my pickup is limited to a GVW of 3,5t, it doesn't change depending on which driver's license I have. Max GVW I, having a class B and C1 drivers license, is 4.250 kg.
@@EnjoyFirefighting So the actual registeration of the vehicle dictates which class is belongs to (total GVW plays a role, as do seating arrangements and country specific laws to an extent... but what is true in whole of europe is the GVW, that happens to play a critical role).
So in order to drive a vehicle with GVW greater than 3500 kg, you need the C-class drivers license (C1, which allows you to drive vehicles up to 7500 kg GVW I recall). If the GVW is 3500 or less, the regular B-license is enough (country specific "sub classifications" are mostly for taxation... so generally work vehicles, like delivery vans, sit in a lower tax bracket than family cars).
@@hematula1 well aware of that ...
There are some exceptions though, but well, those are exceptions
Look at the profiles - the X Class and Renault are badge engineered versions of the same basic truck - the up kick in the rear window gives it away. A lot of that happens in Europe because the sales volume here cannot support the cost of individual development costs
Yeah the third in the bunch is the Nissan Navara. The VW Amarok and the Ford Ranger are also the same car with different badges
Yeah it's sad but people need to realize this:
It's all the same shit underneath because we simply don't have the sales volumes of the North American or Global Market so a vehicle primarily designed to be sold in Europe will make compromises.
Both based on the Nissan Navara.
@@timamoll is the FIAT a rebadged Mitsubishi?
@@darrenwilson8042 yes, a direct rebadge of the L200
For example here in Finland, there is a 3500kg (car+passengers+max permitted load) limit on B driving license (normal cars). Therefore quite many of those euro pickups are below that limit to be able to driven without truck card (C). Some of pickups are registered as an truck here, purely due taxes (car, vat, etc...). So with B-license you cannot drive heavier than 3500kg cars (or car+trailer combo). 3500kg limit is thru EU are, if I'm not entirely wrong.
Same in Norway, we have a C1 license also for up to 7500 kg total for car + trailer + load.
The full C license is up to the national limits for a truck.
Thats right, i am a C1E Truck Driver, that mean i can drive a 7,5to "truck" single or a 7,5to Semi/traktor with a Trailer to a total weight of 12to inclusive load. (old car plus trailer licence "3" in germany)
Another reason is it's easier to tow a trailer behind "lighter" vehicles in Europe. So a van or a regular car extended with a trailer when you might need one , is much more economic.
Same here in Norway. Also only got B license so I can only drive vhicles under 3500kg 7716IBS), in total. That even includes trailer. So I can't haul a car trailer for example behind a Ford Transit. Even without a car on it as those trailers exeed the max payload combined.
@@MrCaprinut I have a BE-licence (Netherlands before 2013) so I can drive any vehicle up to 3.500 kg with any trailer it is legally able to tow. Even when the weight of it is exceeding 3.500 kg.
If you want a proper laugh, look up the Piaggio Ape 50 pick-up - it's the world's smallest pickup truck (using the term truck very loosely here), and they are everywhere in Italy! I used to own one, and it's extremely capable for what it is, happily carrying more than it's own weight in the bed. It's also ridiculously slow. (and it's body on frame!)
They are also quite popular in my country, though mostly as a 25km/h variant
@@danishghostrider Portugal 90 km 120km top speed max but he have some with turbo 😂😂
SsangYong is Korean, and has existed for a long time as a company. Originally very close cooperation with Mercedes, in fact had Mercedes engines.
In Australia was sold by Mercedes dealerships.
In most recent times a bit more separated from Mercedes, but I am not sure how complete the separation is now.
Completely separate now.
Ssangyong was actually being sold in parts or as a total back and forth in the last years. Right now it is chinese owners. They do struggle a lot in europe, bad quality and most important, they really struggle to pass the safety tests, if they do, they usually are graded really low in all safety standards. They also use to be pretty heavy and quite thirsty in consumption. But maybe we get some totally different models in europe than in Australia.
@@urgigrull4013 The Chinese car maker SAIC and Indian car maker Mahindra both have previously owned stakes in Ssangyong but both have sold their shares years ago. It is now 100% owned by KG Group, a Korean industrial company with plenty of capital to invest.
they’re just rubbish…
Keeps stupid people from good trucks
Except for the Fiat and the the Renault, the rest of those "pick-up" trucks were available in Australia.
- The Mercedes-Benz X class was based on a Nissan Navara platform, as is that Renault.
- The Mazda BT-50 you saw is based on the Isuzu D-Max platform, (colloquially known in Oz as the She-Max)
- That Fiat Fullback is a re-badge of the Chevvy Colorado (as was the Holden Colorado in Oz)
- The SSangYong's never seem to sell well in Oz (I don;t know enough about them to know why)
And yes they are all body on ladder frame
Mate I think the Fiat was an earlier Triton model.....🤔
No no... The Fiat Fullback is a rebrand of the Mitsubishi L-200, that's why it's sold in Europe... The Chevrolet didn't do any kind of join operation with Fiat
The SsangYong had a nasty habit if your driving down the road and you accidentally knocked the auto shift leaver of dropping from drive straight into reverse. Something that shouldn't have been possible. But have seen the aftermath of one that did, not pretty 😂
ssaynyong in australia has always been like mahindra big sales pitch, shit quality disappear for 5yrs or so come back and repeat because people don't learn.
Isuzu D Max is based on Colorado. Fiat Fullback is Mitsubishi L200
German here, I see some Doge RAM and Ford F150, I know one guy who has a F350 dually Diesel for hauling boats/yachts all over Europe. The Doge RAMs mostly have been worked on so they can use LPG as well, because of the insane gas prices here. I know one is used by a local construction company, another one is hauling his big trailers which are modded to be food trailer, like a food truck, but he put the trailer with staff in a place, drives off and takes another trailer next place...
The previous model AMAROK came to Australia, South Africa etc from VW Mexico where it was built and was on the market for about 10 years.A basic but excellent 4 wheel drive.
They were built in Argentina
Depending on model first gen Australian Amaroks came from Hanover, Germany or Pacheco. Argentina. Mine is from Argentina, has been trouble-free & I love it.
It is quite rare in Czechia to see a pickup trucks. But if you find one its mostly ford f150, Mitsubishi or Toyota Hilux.
edit: And I forgot the Dodge RAM 1500.
In Czechia instead of pickup trucks you can much more often see a van. Its much more practical and fuel economy is also better. Considering fuel prices are higher thats why people here drive smaller cars rather than pickup trucks. Many cars here have very good fuel economy and with some cheap hyundai (for example i30) you can easily manage 6l/100km (39.2 mpg or 47 imperial mpg).
We have a good selection of pickup trucks here in Norway. But as me, most sees them useless as you can haul more in a van. Even a old VW Transporter (Vanagon in US for the T3 family) have more payload than a pickup. My father had one and it could have a 1000kg payload. Most pickup trucks has less than that.
@@MrCaprinut the Mercedes Sprinter at my job can take a payload of about 2000kg
@@flopjul3022 Yep van is much better for us in europe.
Sales in Czechia in 2019: Fiat Fullback 2, Renault Alaskan 15, Isuzu D-Max 26, Nissan Navara 58, Mercedes Benz X 65, Mitsubishi L200 125, Ford Ranger 142, VW Amarok 167, Toyota Hilux 301
Mitsubishi l200 is exactly what Mercedes X class is. Most of those cars are just the badge.
In my opinion, the most German pick-up might be the VW Typ 2 T2 Pritschenwagen. The Doppelkabine version was also available with 4x4 drive.
Mercedes-Benz X-class and Renault Alaskan are a rebadged Nissan Navara, both built in Spain. Volkswagen Amarok 2 is a rebadged Ford Ranger, built in South Africa. Mazda BT50 is a rebadged Isuzu D-Max, both built in Thailand. Fiat Fullback was a rebadged Mitsubishi L200, both built in Thailand. Ssangyong is the only unibody. All of these trucks are what Americans would consider mid-size, a market segment that has almost disappeared in the US, so they rarely come to the US.
In Europe, pickup trucks are extremely impractical because it always rains and the open bed offers no protection for the load. The pickup trucks that are sold are pure lifestyle objects, almost none are used as commercial vehicles. The new Amarok, for example, is only available as a luxury version.
Mercedes is the single most widespread company! They make almost everything. From all kind of cars ( from smart to Maybach), cargo vans, campers, public buses, Unimogs, semi trucks as well as small trucks and garbage trucks, ambulances, they used to make tractors…no other company in the world is doing all that!
No motorcycles though. The only thing they're lacking
The Fiat Fullback is actually based on the body on frame japanese Mitsubishi L-200... They just rebranded the front and all of the badges with Fiat logos, and it was a joint operation between Fiat and Mitsubishi, just like it was with the new Fiat 124 Spider, which was a redesigned and rebranded Mazda MX-5 Miata
I have an x-class it’s pretty good, I wasn’t sure about it until I sat in it. I’m glad I got it, it’s not perfect but it surprised me with how good it is!
Most of the pick up trucks I seen here were used by electricity grid operators to reach some remote places to fix broken lines, forest patrols, border guards. But mostly vans are used for any other type of work or personal needs.
Hi Ian...In Germany, an average of 25k pick-ups are approved each year. The most popular for years is the Ranger from Ford (as well as the identical VW Amarok). Isuzu Dmax and Toyota Hilux are also well represented with us. New are the Maxus T90 Ev and one from Tesla, both electric. Personally, I like the Jeep (Gladiator) pickup the best. By far the most beautiful. Unfortunately, like the Ranger, it is very expensive. In addition, the Ford (like the RAM 1500) consumes 50% more fuel on average.
Except in the Kaiserslautern area, I don't see any pickups a la RAM 1500. These are really only for fans. High purchase price, very high maintenance, not efficient and with a length of almost 6m simply too big. The used car market for these models is large in Germany.
Tip: If you want to save money and buy a pick-up, you are guaranteed to find something in the KL area (Airbase/Ramstein/Kaiserslautern/Germany)!
....by far the oldest, smallest and weakest pick-up with us is one street down...a 1983 TALBOT pick-up...a Frenchman ;-)
I myself also drive a pick-up, albeit a rather smarter type of it... A Mk1 VW Caddy Rabbit... For me the most beautiful and definitely unique. In the USA and Canada (in the 80s) it should still be known
You need to cover Icelandic modified trucks and "jeeps". Especially made by Arctic Trucks (who modified the Toyotas for Top Gear North Pole trip and modifies trucks for Antartica).
Also interestingly are Icelandic modified Mercedes-Benz Sprinters as 4x4 all terrain cars.
czcams.com/video/jpA6bRCDNGM/video.html
In Denmark back in the 80’s when pickup trucks like the Toyota Hi-Lux became slightly more ordinaire in the traffic they quickly got the nickname “bricklayer Jeeps” meaning that they were mostly used as a company vehicle and not something the private buyer would get. Small vans was, and still is the thing if you don’t need the passenger seats in the back and want to save some money.
Only one reason why we dont have many of these Pickups in the country i live in (Denmark). Politicians dont want us to drive them.
Due to our tax-system, they cost from 65 - 85.000 $, and 2500-3000$ a year in Green-tax.
Dbl.cabs are the most taxed vehicle type in Denmark.
On top of that, Europe can only have the smaller pickups, due to EU regulative of total weight (Car+cargo+people+fuel) of 3500kg (7800 pounds).
The Mercedes, Renault and Nissan are the same. The Volkswagen it's a Ranger. The Mazda it's an Izusu.
Mercedes Renault and Nissan share the same Chassis.thats it.engines gearbox and interior exterior is different
I don’t know about the Renault but the xclass, though offered with a v6, ran the same engine and drive line as the navara. But it has a wider track, revised suspension tune and better noise insulation it is pretty similar.
The X-Class and Alaskan are both rebadged Nissan Navarra, all three built at a Nissan factory in Barcelona, Spain.
Amarok II just means it’s second generation (VW uses Roman numerals to denote model generations).
And yes, the Amarok II is indeed based on a Ford Ranger. Just like the Amarok I was based on a Toyota Hilux, although the Amarok have always used VW’s own engines and interiors, making it a bit more than just a rebadge.
Ssangyong is Korean. Nowhere near as big as Hyundai or Samsung, but then again, Samsungs’s cars aren’t available many places here in Europe.
I would have liked to see your reaction to the Dacia Duster pick-up trucks :)
For the culture, it is indeed very different. Vans are much more prevalent. I think the reason is that taxes and insurances are different, in Europe (well at least in France) pick-up trucks are classified as utility vehicles like vans, so they are more expensive, insurance is more expensive, and you need to have them inspected every year instead of every 2 years for cars.
And OFC unlike a van you cannot leave stuff in a pick-up truck or have a mobile workshop like some people do.
Also pick-up trucks are gonna be limited in towing capacity unless you have a specific, much more expensive truck licence. Thus in Europe pick-up trucks offers little advantage over a van.
Of the ones in the video, I would go for the Benz, purely on looks.
Here in Norway we have some the American trucks. But they are very expansive (a 2022 Silverado RST Duramax 3.0 Diesel costs almost 123 000 dollars), and in rural areas they are a bit big for the roads
RAMs are probably the ones I see most here in Sweden (of the American trucks, at least); Toyotas and Amaroks are probably more common, though, going purely by my experience. They tend to be either personal vehicles for people who just really like the look or kitted vehicles for very specific tasks - ambulances, police dog units, arborists and so on - in which case they almost always have the load bed covered.
You might be interested to have a look at the (distinct but related) pick-up truck cultures in South Africa (“bakkies”) and aust4alia (“utes”). Bakkies are *everywhere* in SA, and as often used for transporting people as kit.
The muso is actually a body on frame.
Most of those pickups are partly or fully fake. That is, just a rebatched something else. Some of them use there own drivetrain and interior from the manufactures, making it more brand like.
The Mercedes is a Nissan with some different panels and badges and a lot of extra $$$. Pretty sure the Renault is the same. Pretty sure the Amorok 11 is a Ranger. Pretty sure the new BT50 and Isuzu are the same truck reskinned. Nearly all made in Thailand.
The Fiat looks like a Mitsubishi Triton we have here in Aus.
@@Tomoslb1 Think that's also a Nissan? but same group of companies now.
@@Tomoslb1 the Fiat is indeed a rebadged Mitsubishi Triton / L200.
So many false claims in so few sentences.
@@christianiffland3729 Like?
In the netherlands, there is this "exploit" where you can register a pickup truck as a regluar van, like a delivery van type of car, for your company. I know many people who live in the more rural areas that use this trick to be able to drive a nice pickup, and pay less taxes on it. Its like a win-win. Though most pickups are converted to using LPG gas instead of regular fuel because fuel is like 8 dollars per gallon here. But i have to say, those pickups look rediculous on our small roads lol.
Same in Norway. Those have green plates instead of regular white ones. Clueprint is only 2 seater so the backseat needs to be taken out. You get a hefty fine if you get cought with the rear seat installed. Can be reinstalled after 10 after paying a fee and get it inspected. Many do so since the new price is about half with green plates vs a 5 seater.
Haha I would imagine a big shiny American truck would look kinda silly on a small Dutch road 😆🎉🎉
You guys would cry if you know what the Dutch pay in road tax for a heavy diesel pickup. The Dutch tax on cars really is redicilous!
When I lived in Australia (back in the 1980's) the 'UTE', or utility vehicle, was massively popular with farmers and city folk alike ! I know the States love their big pick up trucks too as I was fortunate enough to spend most of 1995 in California. I do like the look of those Renault Euro trucks ! Great video ! ..great channel ! I was sent over to you by Al's Collectables.
Very cool!! Welcome to a great community 🎉
@@IWrocker Fanguverymuch !!
In our rainy climate a pick-up is not that practicle. We have ourselves a van, a Mercedes Vito. For private use (wheelchair). Adapted to our needs, good riding vehicle, 9 speed automatic. Enjoying it a lot.
Looking at maps of hours of sunshine per year for North America and Europe shows a significant difference. Part of this is due to the higher latitudes most of Europe is in, but part is also about having more cloud coverage (which then correlates with hours of rain).
In the sunny Spain you rarely will see Pick Up Trucks.
I do not think it is related to climate but to other reasons.
For instance fuel consumption, emissions laws, smaller streets and roads and parking lots, good road maintenance...
@@enriquegonzaga3865 There obviously are multiple reason why pickups aren’t popular in Europe. However, I am not alone in my impression that rain is one of those factors (quick searches found multiple posts on for example Quora mentioning this reason).
And SUVs have taken off big time in Europe, but pickups have not (of course the average SUV, in particular those purchased in Europe, is also smaller than the average pickup).
@@aphextwin5712 Well in that case there should not be any Trucks in Seattle WA, Portland OR, Vancouver BC and all of those places in the Pacific coast and it is not the case. The USA weather is not homogenous throughout the country. There are a lot of places in the USA with heavy rains, wet, and cloudy like in Europe. There are freezing temperatures and snowy weather much more than in Western Europe.
@@enriquegonzaga3865 I think the only thing remaining I can do is to encourage you to look up the meaning of the word ‘multiple’ in a dictionary. Once you think you have a firm grasp of what it means, I’d like to invite you to continue this discussion.
I have a neighbor with that has one of those Raptor Rangers! Needless to say I've gotten to recognize when this man goes to and returns from work just from the sound of that beast xD
As I recall the previous model of Mazda BT-50 was basically a contemporary Ford Ranger under the bodywork, so it was pretty capable. At some point though the Mazda Ford partnership ended and the current generation of BT-50 is based on an Isuzu, presumably the D-MAX. So car-ish looks are possibly still hiding more ability than you’d expect. I’ve never heard of the Fiat Fullback either, we certainly don’t have them in Australia, but something about the shapes and lines of it look like a Mitsubishi Triton (or L200 in the UK and maybe elsewhere in Europe) to me. Like really really like a Triton.
To add to the confusion, the NEW Ranger will be the base for the new Amarok.
It really is shameful how cross-badged the current trucks are getting.
The Fiat Fullback is a Mitsu Triton with a different badge.
On the same theme of badge engineering; A Jeep Renegade is on a Fiat platform😮
@@donkiejarretjie3338Yeah, I googled the Fiat after I posted and sure enough…
@@donkiejarretjie3338It’s not just trucks/4x4 utes and it’s been going on for ages. I think either the Ford Ka or Fiesta was also a slightly different looking Mazda. Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat all sold the same people carrier with different light clusters and interiors. Early Ssang Yongs were very nearly previous gen Mercs (E classes, I think). Jaguar X-Types were Ford Mondeos with different bodies to look like baby Jag XJs. Then there were all kinds of Opels that could also leave the factory with Vauxhall or Holden badges on. So much platform sharing, though I suppose the upside is sometimes we can get a different version of the exact same car if we hate the looks.
@@Dasyurid Vauxhall is/was the right hand drive Opel, so that's normal.
The Isuzu D-Max seem to be leading the market here in Ireland, they have an enviable reliability record.
We also get the Great Wall Chinese trucks, but sales seem very small.
While both Isuzu and Toyota enjoy great sales, their chassis rust-proofing is sadly lacking.
Same in Shetland bro there are literally hundreds of them on the roads and sites 24/7. Hilux, rangers, navarros etc seem way behind in hires/sales. L200's are the D-Maxs' only comp up here.
Seemed to be a lot of GWs appear around the Welsh border when they were first launched... All disappeared within a few years 😅
Isuzu in Sweden used to have a terrible record on rust in the 80's (Bedfords branded as Isuzu over here) so the present importer since 2007 make a great effort to coat them in rust protection as they arrive from Thailand and it's working very well. However I went to see a 2022 Toyota, it had no rust protection at all as it stood at the dealer. Note to self, never buy a used Toyota Hilux because of this.
X class/ Renault/ Nissan Navara all the same platform.
Amarok gen 1 was it’s own, the gen 2 and the new Ranger are the same platform.
That bt50 and the new Isuzu dmax are the same platform with the same engine.
The Fiat fullback is a re badged Mitsubishi Triton.
ahahah the chicken tax! I learned about that through a podcast from NPR - Episode 632: The Chicken Tax ; fascinating stuff!
We have a few problems in the UK with the type/size of pick-ups, the main ones are our garages and parking spots are too small for them and thats not taking into consideration how narrow and congestive our roads are.
We have plenty here in Eastern England, mainly Ford, Isuzu. Mitsubishi and Nissan ones. Farmers etc, love them along side their Land Rovers and Range Rovers of course.
The Ranger Raptor is coming to the US in the next few years when the next generation comes out. Ford said it a while back, I think shortly after the current gen started selling.
Great info, that’s cool.
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Two is the second Generation
Production and distribution of the Amarok 1 in Europe started 2010 and ended in May 2020, while production in South America will continue.
Over 830,000 units were made.
Amorak 2 since January 2023
You answered your own question: All these pickup trucks are built in Europe, including the FORD (their plant is in Koeln), which means if they are sent to the USA they are all subject to Lindon Johnson's 25% Chicken Tax. The Chicken Tax was aimed directly at VW (delivery van / pickup truck / bus / camper) but also affects all the other European manufacturers pickup truck and delivery vans.
Basically every ute you covered is actually another ute underneath with the exception of a few like the Dmax and the raptor ( shit.. even my 2010 Holden Colorado came off the same manufacturer line as the 2010 Isuzu Dmax, mine just received a different front clip 😂 )
Dmax is paired with Mazda BT 50
@@flattyback He's talking about the previous generation Isuzu Dmax, which did share the same platform with the Holden Colorado.
ive always wondered, what would it look like, if SAAB made a pickup? mayby like the Sport-Combi but with a pickup bed?
There are loads of SAAB homenbuilt pickups, most of them in Sweden. Pickup is pickup in Swedish. So just make a image search for "Saab pickup" and you get like 100 results.
The reason why there are so many is that in Sweden if you have only 2 seats and a open cargo area, it can be registered as a tractor. And if its registered as a tractor a 15 (or 16) year old can drive it. So people take typically 15 year old car, chop them up and register them as a tractor .
You can also search for "SAAB epa traktor" for more builds.
Google saab pickup. There's people out there who have built them.
I would love a Scania branded D-max, I would lose all common sense to have one. But it will never happen as Scania is owned by VAG. A VW Amarok branded as a M.A.N which I think I've seen will never do it for me.
- The Merc X Class and Renault Alaskan (and Nissan Navara/Frontier) are sister trucks.
- The II in the VW Amarok means second generation. It is built by Ford in South Africa (a country that loves pick up trucks)
- The Mazda BT-50 was developed from the 3rd gen Isuzu D-Max.
- The Fiat Fullback is the sister truck to the Mitsubishi Triton/L200
Pick ups are mostly seen as work/farm vehicles in the UK. Plus, with the wet weather, people just go out and buy normal vans to keep their load secured and dry, or van derived pick up truck if they really need a pick up truck. These van derived trucks tend to be larger than your typical pick up trucks
I live in the Netherlands. I had a van, Renault Master L2H2, i sold it and bought a Toyota Tundra. The Tundra is a way better veichle, yes it's big but so is a L2 L3 L4 van.
trucks are getting more popular in the united kingdom. but i dont think they will out sell the transit style van simply because of price and space. awesome video didnt know there was so many Navara variations. the price of these trucks are close to extortion.
I've never seen the appeal of a vehicle with unsecured load space. You would need to keep removing stuff in case it got nicked.
all pickup trucks are show ponys now unfortunately,
aussie here i love my 2010 isuzu the grill is how it is hahathe 3.0l we get here (4jj1) as two other engines that are 3.0 made by toyota and nissan can make around 400hp with stock internals and regularly get built up to 1000hp over in Thailand
the new dmax has the 4jj3 sorry but still a great engine
This type of truck is not a common thing anywhere in Europe. However out of all of these listed here Ranger is definitely the most common here in Poland. You can actually see the Rangers in traffic or parked. Including Raptor and Wildtrack versions. All the other ones like X-class, BT-50, Musso I have only seen at car expos or shows. Fiat Fullback, I didn't know even existed until now. It is easier to find or spot a new RAM 1500 imported from US than any of them. I think the most common vehicle in this category would something like a Mitsubishi L200 or a Nissan Navara, but these weren't mentioned.
The Mercedes is a Nissan Navarra with a facelift, most of the trucks that were shown have their chassis made in Thailand and are mostly assembled in either Japan or India.
X-class is a rebadged Nissan Navara. Mercedes has started attaching their badges to a few things recently. A small renault van is also rebadged as merc.
The Mercedes X-Class was a Nissan/Renault built in Spain, which is one of the reasons it was discontinued en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_X-Class . Some German hunters, foresters, and farmers (who mostly drive Land Rovers, G-Wagens, Suzukis, and Subarus) drive Ford Ranger/VW Amorak pickups) have started also looking at Chinese pickups en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAC_Group . I have never seen a Mazdo, Isuzu, Ssangyong, nor Fiat pickup in Germany. Regardless of make/model, the dimensions are generally impractical for street parking.
I've been living in an EU city all my life, and honestly, the only truck from this list that I have seen is _ironically_ the Raptor. Most of trucks on this list are luxury trucks. Same as SUVs- they try to be 2 things in one, but fail at both. They are driven by people with small genitals and big egos.
Here in Norway there is a lot of pickuptrucks, mostly Ford Ranger and VW Amarock. I have a Ranger 3,2l with a 6 manual gearboks.
Why have a pickup in Europe? Drawbacks: no cargo space, you can put a load of plywood in a old Volvo V70 but not in those pickups. Rear wheel drive with no weight for traction in snow/ice. Anything in the small bed is open to the elements and unsecure.
A front wheel drive van is the smart choice here, especially in ❄️
I wouldn't agree to this. I drive a pick-up, it can carry up to 1 ton on an EUR pallet on it's bed, I would need a station wagon like a Chevrolet Suburban that costs more than twice as much to carry as much. My pickup takes 0.7 liter per 10 kilometers, that's what any "normal european car" would take and I get four wheel drive that actually can handle some terrain or really bad roads, not just slippery roads, and the capability to haul 3500 kilos as well. For european conditions, a midsize pick-up is the car that fills out the difference between a Volvo V70 and a van, with the perks of proper 4WD and heavy hauling. Some do find this useful.
The Ford Ranger is now sold in Canada, but has been sold in the Philippines for at least the last 15 years.
In Germany, besides the Vans, "Pritschenwagen", small flatbed trucks, are more common in a similar role like pickups in the USA. Don't know what they called in other countries. They are much more purpose built as utility vehicle than most pickups, without much consideration for looks. Therefore they are more common in commercial use and very rare in private use. They have big, flat loading beds, you can usally load/unload them from the sides, if the bed is damaged it's relativly easy to replace, some come as hydraulic tipper, some having even a small loading crane. Mostly they are based on common Vans like VW Transporter, VW Crafter, Fiat Ducato, Mercedes Sprinter, Mercedes Vito, Fiat Talento, Fiat Doblo, Citroen Jumpy, Ford Transit ... etc.
Also in Germany hauling trailers with your regular car is more common, so if you need something moved which does not fit inside your car, just use a trailer. Renting trailer is mostly dead cheap to, sometimes you can even just lend it for some hours for free at your local hardware store.
Mercedes X & R Alaskan are both Nissan Navara 3rd gen
VW Amarok is Ford Ranger
Mazda BT-50 is Isuzu D-max
Fiat Fullback is Mitsubishi L200
Roman numerals on British or European vehicles usually denote the model's mark. Basically the generation/iteration of said particular model.
SsanYoung is the oldest car producer in South Korea, they only made 4x4 or SUV (lately) partnering a lot with Mercedes for engines. They had just one sedan for only 2 years I think. Very reliable and even the new models with lots of tech will give you 5 years warranty on the whole and 10 on the engine, gearbox and turbo.
Musso is body on frame.
I'm South African and as for the Amarok II it's just the second model from VW. Fun fact the Amarok and Ranger share the same platform, meaning they are basically the same car.
small info bundle: The mercedes X-class is a failed model. It was produced together with the fiat fullback, both are built on Mitsubishi L200 basis. The Renault alaskan is a nissan navara, and your guess is right the Ssangyong is korean.
Ian, the Ranger Raptor ist available with either 3l V6 Twin Turbo Gas (Benzin/Petrol) 215 kW (292 PS) or 2l I4 Turbo Diesel 154KW (210PS).
In Europe vans are like pick ups in the US. Mostly Iveco/Fiat, Mercedes,Mitsubishi, or even small KIAs. IVECO Daily is the most used van ,4x4 version is as capable as the Unimog.
There are some US pickup vehicles here in Germany, but the problem is not that the streets or parking lots are too narrow, but the tax and gas costs. In Germany you have to pay motor vehicle tax once a year and this is calculated on the cubic size of the engine and which pollutant class that
Vehicle has, i.e. whether reductions are installed, the vehicle has to be driven with an add-on, catalytic converter or diesel particulate filter, etc... A certain amount is calculated per 100 ccm. For my 2.2 liter Opel Signum diesel it was €343.00 with a particle filter. Convert that to the large US engines. In addition, fuel is very expensive in Germany, around €1.60 for diesel and around €1.85 for petrol per liter! So actually only tradespeople who have a discount on maintenance can afford such vehicles.
Thank you for this video.
The Volkswagen Amarok (I) was produced since 2010, first in Argentina, later also in Germany. Production in Germany ended 2020, while they still produce it in Argentina.
The Amarok II was developed together with the Ford Ranger, they have the same chassis, but slightly different bodies.
They all come with small Diesel engines. I drive an 2014 Amarok with the 2-Litre-TwinTurbo with 4-wheel-drive as my work horse.
I'm a big van man, 4x4 Merc sprinter, I like my stuff on the inside of my vehicle and a lower loading height for motorcycles and stuff, I don't want everyone in my town knowing what I've got and what I'm upto...you become a target. Besides all your tools would get wet or stolen in a pickup here in England. We do have loads of pickup trucks here in England but the workies have vans and only the twat with a clipboard and hi-viz that do nothing for three times what everyone gets drive trucks.. Usually got a nice gaff in the country and kids in private schools. Real men drive shitbox vans here 😂👍
More or less, as enjoy mentioned for us we don’t use pickup trucks simply because they’re too large for most European roads and what a truck can do a van can do just as well if not better for carrying cargo or as a utility vehicle, not to mention that unlike a pickup truck people aren’t as likely to steal something by simply reaching into the back and running off with it vs having to pick a lock, but again we do have pick up trucks but they’re more for utility or heavy goods such as say on a building sight where you need something to throw on the back and go anywhere, other than that most people who use pickup trucks mostly use them for camping excursions like in the alps of France off the road and more for wildernesses but then again we do use convertible pickup trucks in which much like say the landrover defender where you can either cut open the top for a tent roof which pops up to allow you to sleep up stairs, or a foldable roof tent, but as a Brit we simply prefer to use a camper van or a caravan which we simply tow behind our cars.
We have all these trucks here in New Zealand, except the Renault Alaskan is marketed as the Nissan Navara and the Fiat Fullback is marketed as the Mitsubishi Triton. Same truck, different brand and slightly different look. The Mercedes truck is also based on the Renault/Nissan truck platform. The Isuzu and Mazda trucks share the same platform. The Volkswagen and Ford also share the same platform. One truck that was left off the list is the Toyota Hilux, which would be the equivalent to the Toyota Tacoma in the U.S. Speaking of the States, New Zealand/Australia also addtionally have some of the large full size American trucks available. The Ram and Silverado 1500/2500. The Tundra and F-150 will soon be arriving to Australia as well, and possibly here in New Zealand later on.
Wow the tundra is going down under? That’s interesting, they don’t sell too well here in the USA (although the smaller Tacoma Does sell well)
Meanwhile the F150 sells millions it seems like haha so I wonder how it could do in Aus/NZ. It’s spacious, somewhat luxurious, and “decent” on gas mileage being turbo v6s or diesel rather than a big V8
@@IWrocker Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how well it does down here. There's been sightings of the new Tundra testing in Australia and there's articles mentioning the F-150 is near approaching. American full-size pickups are slowly becoming more and more popular and recognized in Aus/NZ in recent times, and I'm not complaining at all! I've noticed a dozen or so Silverado's and as many, if not more Rams roaming around in just my area alone.
My guess is Toyota, just like Ford, saw the opportunity to gain more Tundra/F-150 sales and steal some market share within the full-size truck segement in Aus/NZ. Which makes logical sense, as Chevy and Ram are currently the only two battling it out in this segement down here. These two newer arrivals might also become the more popular choices too, as both will be offering Twin Turbo V6 engines, instead of Chevy's and Ram's gas guzzling V8's. Gas prices are insane here in NZ, so the Tundra and F-150 would be the slightly better alternatives in that regard.
Only issue is, these large pickups cost an arm and a leg. Due to import fees, and the big one, right-hand drive (RHD) conversions. The cheapest Silverado/Ram models start around $120,000 NZD (roughly $75,000 USD) and can reach as high as $250,000 NZD for something like a Ram TRX, (roughly $156,500 USD). The F-150 when it arrives is expected to under cut both. Starting somewhere around $107,000 AUD, which translates to roughly $114,000 NZD.
What Aus/NZ really needs is the new Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon. Those trucks would likely sell like hot cakes over here, especially as our truck market is predominantly mid-size pickups. The Ford Ranger sales numbers dominate in NZ, similar to how the Ford F Series does in the U.S. There's no other truck that comes close to the new Ranger at the moment. The new Colorado would give great competition though, hopefully it'll arrive in Aus/NZ at some stage as well.
Fun fact the x class merc is a Nissan Navara with a different cab
The fiat is a Mitsubishi triton
I'm French, and I've only seen the Renault Alaskan in photos. Pick ups like those are extremely rare over here, except maybe for older ones, that are mainly used by wineries in my area (I live in the Champagne region of France). Anyone who doesn't need an open cargo bed rather chooses vans here, not only because they can haul way more volume, but also because it keeps your tools from being seen from outside. And no self respecting person who's not a professional chooses that kind of vehicle here, too much of a hassle to drive in our tiny city centres.
Mercedes X-Class and Renault Alaskan are a Nissan Navara/NV200 underneath and share bodypanels.
The VW Amarok is a standalone model. The Amarok II is the New Model and is a Ford Ranger underneath.
Ssangyoung is indeed Korean.
The Fiat Fullback is a rebaged Mitsubishi L200.
The X-Class and the new Amarok II (2. Gen.) are built in cooperation.
It's a Nissan Navara under the X-Class body and the new Amarok is basically a Ford Ranger.
while most trades will have vans instead of trucks here in finland(due to the weather it's just more practical to have a closed cargo area), there's a decent amount of "small pickups" like hilux etc that are mostly used by "housing maintenance" crews, so gardening/snowplowing during winter, since they are easier to mount blades to and have an open back for gravel or to put a lawnmower/outdoor tools in. Bigger trucks like f150's tend to be more bought by people with more money than sense, they aren't very useful outside of small niche uses(some pleasure boat companies might use them instead of farming tractors for pulling bigger luxury yacht trailers)
Definitely. The common utility trucks you see farmers and the like using round us are hilux, mitsubishi L200 and Isuzu D-max with an occasional Ranger, Amarok and various Landys
In Europe vans basically replace trucks. We don't do any towing really and they are generally used for work. Some people here have trucks and they just look rediculous they are too big for the UK streets
The Mercedes X-Class was a Nissan Navara with Mercedes-Design for the Front and the Cab. Even the Rear-Lights were Nissan. Isuzu stopped selling in Germany too about 10 Years ago (felt like this). Pickup-Trucks aren't very common in Germany, some of those from the Video i've never seen before. Construction-Companies or Communal-Workers often use Vehicles based on large Vans with a Frame, we call it "Pritsche" or "Pritschenwagen", for Example you'll find VW, Mercedes Sprinter or Fiat Ducato "Pritschen" if you'll google it.
IWrocker is clever - he won't call these utes, to avoid the wrath of the Australians! 😄
The VW Amorak II is actually a last gen F150 wearing a Volkswagen skin.
They had so many issues with the first gen amorak that they actually went to ford and worked out a deal to get ford to sell them the tooling for the last gen F150.
Okay, for me as a pure old European from the country... they all look like a Ford ''something something''.
Didn't even know about the french ones (as a french). Though I still don't thing you need this kind of vehicules in Europe.
I've also seen too many of them being used by city people, just for ''style''...
We get most of these in Australia except the Renault. The X Class was a joint venture with Nissan sold as the Navara. The 4 cylinder models have the same mechanicals however MB had a more powerful 6 cylinder model that Nissan didn't. The X Class didn't sell well in Australia as the 4 cylinder models were about 10k more than the equivalent spec Nissan. The Current Mazda BT-50 is a joint venture with Isuzu and is mechanically the same as the DMax. The VW Amarok is a joint venture with Ford designed in Australia and shares much of the mechanicals with the Ranger. The Amarok has some changers to make it easier for an EV version because of the regulations coming in Europe years before other countries. The Fiat Fullback was a rebadged and face lifted Mitsubishi Triton/L200.
Here in northern Sweden the most common pickup trucks are VW Amarok, Izuzu D-max, Nissan Navara, Ford Ranger and there is Chevrolet Silverados around but they are not as popular as they used to be. I do also see some Mercedes X-classes and Dodge RAMs but not as common.
The most popular are VW Amaroks and you will see them goddamn everywhere, they are VERY popular up here.
I've seen 2 or 3 Benz pickups in Germany. Beat up work horses. Also a few VW's pickups. There are two huge GMC's tooling around the back roads here, one black and one orange, full tints.
I like how trucks look but I don't need one. Unless I am a farmer somewhere in a deep country. But even them in Germany mostly use normal cars. Just because we have good roads everywhere.
As a European, I find this video very entertaining and informative. I appreciate your honest reactions and opinions on our pick-up trucks. I agree that some of them are very different from what you are used to in America, but they have their own advantages and disadvantages. For example, the Fiat Strada is very compact and fuel-efficient, but it has a small payload and low power. The Volkswagen Amarok is more spacious and powerful, but it is also more expensive and less maneuverable. The Ford Ranger is a good compromise between the two, but it is not very popular here. I hope you enjoyed driving them and learning more about our culture and preferences. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
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A lot of these trucks are actually co-engineered with other manufacturers, especially Japanese. The Mercedes X class is a Toyota Hilux, and the Renault Alaskan is a Nissan Navara. The very cool looking Mazda is a Ford Ranger underneath, the Isuzu D-Max is the same as the Chevrolet Colorado. The Ssangyong is an exception, that is on its own. The brand does not exist anymore; look up the Ssangyong Actyon and Rodius, and you know why.
Loved your car museum tour, fancy checking out Glasgow Transport Museum they've got some cool display ideas
Merc xclass and the Renault are both the same underpinnings, frame and drivetrains of the Nissan Navara. The Fiat are actually a Mitsubisi Triton (just different badge). VW Amarok 2 are build in partnership with Ford (same engines and underpinnings of Ford rangers)
I had a 2010 Mazda BT-50, and its basically a Ford Ranger in drag, Mazda and Ford have the same engine, and they are frikking fun to drive. the Renault, Renault owns Nissan, so that Renault Pickup is probably a Nissan Navarra in disguise, however for me nothing beats the Mitsubishi L200 by far the best looking truck in the EU market right now.
The X class has coil spring rear end instead of leaf suspension
Drive's and handles like a car really smooth almost bought one it was the best of the dual cab utes that i drove
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Great info thanks 🎉
The Fiat has a sports bed cover on it, my brother had the same cover on his Mitsubishi L200 which is the same truck. The cover comes off and can be done in about 5 minutes.
Both the X class and the Renault are based on the Nissan Navara platform and share the same engines too
1. Mercedes X-Class is rebadged Nissan Navara, which you do know as Nissan Frontier in the US. It was an experiment to offer luxury pickups in EU. It even had it's own interior. But it failed. Working version was more expensive than original Nissan, but didn't have anything else to offer. And luxury version didn't match the luxury market preferences, people here prefer SUVs than pickup. X-Class was discontinued for low sales.
2. Same technical base of Navara goes for Renault Alaskan.
3. VW Amarok got recently second generation made in cooperation with Ford so they're twins now. First generation was standalone.
4. Mazda BT-50 is not available in Europe.
5. D-Max is kinda popular :)
6. SsangYong is from Korea, good cars for good price.
7. Fiat Fullback was a twin of Mitsubishi L200/Triton. It was offered for fine price but discontinued in 2019.
I would also mention French Peugeot's pickup called Landtrek, but it's for markets of South and Middle America and Africa, it's not available in Europe. It's a twin of Chinese pick-up Changan-Kaicene F70.
The AMAROK is built by FORD and is a Ford RANGER that is altered quite a bit with VW design input. Same engines though.
The FIAT Fullback is actually a Mitsubishi ,made by Mitsubishi for FIAT .It was only made for a couple of years
Some utes and these light pickups came out with the tray either to suit the body but removable to put a flatbed aluminium to carry more plus drop sides. Some come only unibody some all flat tray some able to switch over.
Here in Croatia I never really see any of these trucks. The trucks I do see are mostly van derived such as the Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter or VW Transporter. I've never actually owned a pickup but I did drive a Ford P100 pickup at one firm I worked for about 30 odd years ago.
In Europe a pick-up is mostly a tax-deducted, commercial car for use by firms or craftsmen, and with special numberplates! It is hardly ever bought as a private car! It is a rare variant of a closed, commercial car for business use!
Ssangyong is a South Korean motor manufacturer. My own personal view of Ssangyong SUV's/MPV's, is that they're 'aesthetically challenged' a trait that seems to have spilled over into the design of their Pick-ups. Their design team would appear to consist of three people - none of whom talk to each other.
The MAZDA was built by Ford in Thailand and is based on the Previous generation Ford Ranger ,we got both in Australia as well. The Mazda Was not as capable yet came off the same line.crazy.
The reason why we didn't get the Ranger Raptor is due to the F150 and we are getting a Bronco variant - Surprised the Toyota Hilux wasn't in there (one of my favorites). I am really surprised we haven't gotten the Mercedes X-Class, I know they would sell like crazy especially if they came with the Mercedes Diesel.
Now having a manual trans in your vehicle here State side is a theft deterrent
Yea, the Hilux Hilly is really cool looking.
Did you notice a pattern here. Al these trucks are 4 door and a really short bed. You can’t carry anything in these very expensive trucks. That’s why we use a van, it’s cheaper to buy and insure, you can load a lot more and nothing gets wet when it rains. I live in europe and used to have a F150 king ranch, my buddy had a mazda truck. Both are 4 door but my F150’s bed was way bigger. Parking an F150 was a challenge tho. Parking spaces are not so big over here. Have a good one. 😊
The Ford Ranger is developed entirely in Australia by Ford's Advanced Engineering Team - they were given the brief from US HQ and because of Ford Australia's previous ability to produce excellent locally made and designed cars and Territory with little money. The cars are put together in Thailand.
The VW Amarok has ll next to it, to signify it's the second generation, just going on sale here in Australia - co developed with Ford Australia - optional 3.0 litre twin turbo diesel V6 in both and Ford's/GM 10 speed auto
We also have the wagon version, albeit more car like, called the Everest - to take on the Toyota Landcruiser Prado. The Everest has just won Wheels car magazine Car of the Year - a world wide respected award, particular in the UK, that has grueling criteria and won't be awarded if the years cars, aren't up to scratch.
Ford Europe and Ford USA are very different companies. They share platforms and developments with each other but Ford Europe has made a lot of cars on their own, Ford USA makes their own cars, etc. Ford Europe is owned by Ford USA but acts a little more independent than one would guess, given it shares the same name and badge.
My top favourite in South Africa:
-Toyota Landcruiser 79 LX V8
-Toyota Hilux
-VW Amarok 3.0V6 TDI
-Ford Ranger Raptor
The Mercedes is a rebadged Nissan Navarra as is the Renault, the VW is mostly a Ford Ranger, the Mazda is based on the Isuzu (check out the Thai Isuzu DMAX customisation scene), Ssangyong used to use Mercedes engines, Fiat is a Mitsibushi L200. They change the interiors and they are for the most part luxury school run buses.