How influencers get cancelled... a breakdown
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2022
- This week on Fool Coverage, Manny and Laura do a deep dive on the toxicity that is cancel culture. They discuss all that it entails from what it is to how it happens!
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Can you guys do a Halloween episode where you dress up and spill the tea on all the fun Halloween parties you’ve been too? 🧡🖤🎃👻
Yes yes yes yes yes
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Yessss such a good idea!
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Yasss and spoopy stories!
I’m sure being an influencer takes a good amount of work and drive. I don’t think anyone is denying that. However, the difference is the payout. One sponsored ad could make an influencer as much as someone makes in a whole month or year. Not to mention if an influencer doesn’t want to take a brand deal or project, they have the privilege of not taking it if they don’t want to. Whereas those who work a traditional job do not have that choice, and we go to work every day, regardless of how we feel or if we’re exhausted (which we are). This is where it feels out of touch.
Exactly. I think they’ve been away from a normal life for too long that they are forgetting people work 40+ hours or have 2 full time jobs and still don’t have a liveable wage.
Yup and ppl keep saying that she is allowed to complain and have her struggles. But its the way she said it. We would have understood if she had just complained about her work but she starts the video comparing her work with everyone else who works normal jobs. Saying how we would not handle it. Yet there are so many strenuous jobs. Sort of showed no empathy and I think that's why ppl also gave her back the same energy
Dude I was just coming here to say this and like yes I have to work for “the man” bc I have kids who have to eat and bills that have to get paid. I don’t even really make it paycheck to paycheck anymore. And to sit there and complain like that when.. if influencers want to, they can take 2 months off bc of their mental health… andddddd that’s not an option 😂
Nah. No matter how much money she makes off an ad, I rather work a corporate job. Marketing yourself has got to be one of the most exhausting and difficult things you could do. And it’s true only very few people get to reach that level. I’m 110% on mikayals side on this. I never got offended at her comment no matter how bad I had it at jobs. I would never and COULD never be an influencer that is a difficult job!
@@cassandranavarro8430 not to mention putting yourself out there for everyone to feel free to comment everything they are thinking whether it is negative or hateful as well. I couldn’t do it!
Laura leave the skeletons up and do the Santa hat idea, then put party poppers and wine glasses in their hands for New Years, heart boxes and dead flowers for Valentine’s Day, eggs for Easter, flags for July 4th…my point is they’re a permanent installation now😂
FRR that would be so good
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A tip from someone who does organizing for a living….when accessibility becomes slightly difficult, it’s time to purge/declutter. If you can’t easily find something it’s cause you got too much!
Omg do you have more tips? That was amazing
I neede to read this so bad!!!
We need a spooky vibe episode 🥺 telling scary stories or something!
Yass !! I agree 👻
YASSS!
With Mr. Ballen!!!
christmas came early y’all! happy friday 🤣🤣
Thank God it's hell at work this is saving my mental health today
I was shook! Lol such a treat!
Manny I’ll take the bedding i just moved and let me tell u bedding is expensive I’m a single mom on my own for the first time
I think its really important for influencers to be honest about how difficult it is. I see so many young people aspiring to be an influencer, not realising how hard it actually is. A little like aspiring to be a 'popstar' in the 90's but no one realised they lived on buses, never ate and never slept, and also didn't get the money the record labels did! 🤣 I work a normal 9-5 job, and I look at influencers and thing it looks like wayyy too much hard work. I also see lots of smaller influencers who obviously looked up to you guys at one point and now have really bad mental health problems because they didn't realise how hard it was going to be.
Also just because your life isn't as hard as someone else's, doesn't mean your feeling aren't valid! You can appreciate your privilege while still having a hard time!
💯agree!
THISSS!!❤️ "You can appreciate the priveledge you own while still having a rough time" that statement is IT!!❤️
Regardless of whether you work or don’t work, every single one of us has hard days. We are all free to express this. Mikayla is allowed to say she’s had a hard day as much as she likes. People need to stop trying to control others because that’s what it comes down to the end. People are trying to control what she is and isn’t allowed to say, think or feel. Screw those people.
Sorry, this comment is trash.
Many jobs that are “9-5” do longer hours than 9-5 and dont have the comp influencers have. It was just a tone deaf comment nothing to be cancelled over
Manny! I was a PA for a very successful Production Accountant in Hollywood. A trial period is 100% the norm. When you’re working so closely with someone and essentially running their life you have to make sure is a good fit in so many levels… work ethic, morals, socially, communication, etc. Anyone worth while will be okay with a 30-90 trial period.
In our household, we give Halloween the same treatment that others give Christmas. People start blasting Christmas music and putting up holiday decorations on Nov. 1st, so we start spooky season on Sept. 1st around here!
The craziest thing, I found out about Both of you from the huge drama that came out. I went to your pages and made my own opinion. And ended up following BOTH of you then. Much love. The growth and change y’all have made to just make sure you’re putting your true selves out there. It’s great.
You guys today just show so so much growth and understanding. More people need this.
I have a similar story I knew of them but didn’t really subscribe or anything but Laura reeled me in with her content and just seeing how she grew taking Eryn in and Manny got me with his humor
You dont need someone with common sense you need a critical thinker, a problem solver, someone who can work without constant direction. All soft skills.
IMO you just described An older mother n wife . We do it all.
Laura! You need to get your close neighbors to find out who complained and then send them a box of skeletons 😂
I tell my interns the same thing. Take ALL the knowledge and every Friday I let them ask me something they want to know.
This is amazing! ❤
@@sssamanthan7796 Thx!
If all of my mistakes, or even just random ideas I vocalize were for thousands and thousands of people, I would have been cancelled too lmfao
I truly hate cancel culture. I get holding people accountable… BUT if you don’t like someone on the internet then don’t watch/support them 🤷🏼♀️ keep scrolling and don’t engage.
The fact people think their job to hold complete strangers accountable is weird in itself. All it is is bullying and trying to excuse their own bad behavior. Anyone who bullies aka cancels, has worse behavior than those they criticize. They need to hold themselves accountable.
I feel like people glamorize the influencer job because they only see the payoff and not the work behind the scenes. I do makeup posts on Instagram for myself and that has opened my eyes to how difficult it can be so now I know I wouldn’t want to be an influencer. Money is not everything. I am so grateful for my corporate job that allows me to relax and disconnect and have time for myself. If you work for yourself you gotta hustle in order to become successful and I’ve tried it, it’s exhausting and mentally draining and I’m so glad I don’t do that anymore. Just my perspective here.
Agreed 100%. Not saying one job is worse than other. There are pros and cons everywhere. But I just started a fitness channel, and to give good science-based content I have to write a full 2000 words essay and go through so many articles, film and edit, post all by myself. It occupies you 24/7. Ppl have no idea how much time it take to upload. Write descriptions, study what CZcams wants, tags etc.. and then you get like 30 views.. whereas when I had a corporate job, after I left the office, I’d completely switch off. Or on vacations..
Anyways, I don’t think creators job should be disregarded just because they can choose when to work. In fact they can’t. It’s a 24/7 job..
I also think it’s important that when you’re the boss that you can’t expect your employees especially newbies to be mind readers. What seems straightforward to you or logical may be different to someone else but again it can be situational. Also, clear communication of what you want done is so valuable.
I can’t explain how refreshing it is to hear Laura say that when she has an assistant & she’s like learn from me and I will support you in your dreams! I have worked for so many people that literally are so unsupportive of you doing anything but working for them and it is really fucking hard so I just have to say Laura is an incredible person and boss to just be supportive of what people want to do most people probably don’t wanna assist or work under someone their entire lives, which is totally fine if that’s what they want to do but why not just be supportive and not make someone feel bad for trying to Complete their goals in life
I love listening to yall when I’m doing stuff around the house, so when I’m done listening to the podcast and I’m all caught up with Laura’s channel and Manny’s, I’m like WTF am I going to listen to now while I clean?!
Same here!! I can actually get through all the cleaning with them 😂
It’s my Saturday morning cleaning routine for sure. Lol
I’m studying psychology and I hope to look into and understand this dynamic with the quick change of admiration to anger from viewers. It’s interesting. Maybe a thesis paper on this 🤔
That’s an excellent and very interesting topic!
I love this podcast so much. It’s so real and honest.
Guy guys guys!!! This has to be one of my FAVORITE episodes ☺️ so real, so insightful and so informative.
I look forward to my Fridays for a new episode, your chemistry as friends is so comforting! Love you both 🤍
Love the dynamic between you two always 🤍🤍🫶🏻🫶🏻
Laura immediately setting people straight about Manny “down sizing” the house was *chefs kiss* literally best friend goals lol. ♥️♥️🥹
i cannot stress enough how much better you guys make my day
Why is this conversation so good?!? Like I love hearing about the behind the scenes parts. I would love to hear more about personal assistant stories and such. This was so fun!!!!!
I just find the people should be helping build each other up , not tear each other down and so much jealousy !! I love you all and treat you all the same as I would want to be treated .. some people thrive on ruining people life and it sucks ..
Laura and manny thanks for always keeping it real and true to all!❤
Been watching y’all since the very beginning and the amount of people that have been canceled is astounding. Love that y’all stuck with it!! Y’all really made it 🎉
This is such an interesting topic, loved how you broke it all down. How dare y’all walk down the street as friends, having a giggle & a good time? You must have some very thick skin by now! I hope y’all & everyone here has a great weekend x
I’m in management and you two are so right about active thinkers and how hard it is to find. I do recommend a probation period for new employees! Makes parting ways a bit easier. Good luck! I was googling a beauty youtuber and stumbled across a beauty guru gossip site. Sick curiosity got me and I looked at it. They have threads for a lot of you guys and it is horribly brutal. It’s obvious they are jealous. It sickened me the things I saw - I only looked at a few and stopped. Now I can truly imagine the hate comments you get and I’m sorry that people suck..
Literally wait for this every Friday. I try to save it for my weekly road trip but I can’t with this one 😂 watching immediatelyyyy
*HEY FOOL FAM* ‼️ *Happy podcast day Mandy and Laura lean with it rock with it!* ✨💕🎉💃🏽🤩
Honestly love how you guys make ppl take accountability for their actions but also know that they’re humannnn nobody is perfect you can make the right most perfect move every time like you guys said about having an awesome perfect assistant twice it’s just hard to move in the right direction every single time so I love that you guys don’t drag ppl the most honest and genuine way to tell ppl story/“cancellation”. Loved this pod here every Friday 🥰💖
I love Fridays. Listening to you on my way home from work!
I ride for you both. I agree there’s always room for growth. ♥️
Empathy. Real people have empathy and those are the ones that know shit happens and are open to seeing people learn from their mistakes. Look at Robert Downey Jr. I remember when I was really young he was in and out of court for so much shit. But look at him now. He’s pinche Iron Man and lasted so long in the franchise because he’s worth it for who he is now. Y’all are so relatable and that’s why people stay your fans. Shit happens and you grow from it.
Loveeee your podcast!!❤❤ Have been waiting all morning for this weeks podcast😁🎉
I’m usually already hitting thumbs up before I watch podcast bc I know I’m gonna be thoroughly entertained 😂 def my fav podcast for sure 👏🏼
Laura, listening to how you treat your employees and give them opportunities was so heart warming. You truly seem like one of best people to work for!!! Gosh, it must be so amazing working for you!
I’m a medical assistant and going to school to hopefully become a nurse one day, and your motivated words and the drive that you both have inspires me so much! Even on days where I feel like I’m too old to still continue to pursue this goal of mine, listening to y’all always gets me back into the hustle and bustle of whatever comes my way. Thank you and I appreciate you both.
This is by far the best breakdown ever on cancel culture! I've been with you both since before your "cancel's" and I ain't going nowhere!! ❤️❤️
I absolutely loved this episode! I love both of you and I respect the hell out of y'all. If we have more open, honest, and respectful conversations with each other, I believe that there would be so much more happiness in the world. Also I love y'all's peaks and pits... I always look forward to it.
I love your guys’ take on everything ❤️
Came here for Josh and Sebas stayed for Manny and Laura ❤
That’s was me vis versa ! 🥰
My favorite episode thus far. Love the realness and perspective both of you have and just makes it so much better.
Laura you put those Halloween decorations up whenever you want! You best believe September 1st all my Halloween decorations are up and I don't care what anyone else thinks!!!
Was just watching old podcasts because I just love y’all so fucking much and this one popped up- just in time! Happy Friday’ beautiful people 💘💘💘💘💘💘
Doesn’t matter whether or not you’ve worked a “normal” job or not. She and anyone else is entitled to their own feelings about their jobs. Everyone struggles with their jobs. All different but doesn’t mean they are invalid.
Love you both! You are amazing and a perfect example of perseverance
Love y’all! Fool Friday’s are my fave! ♥️
Ahhh i have been waiting all week for this podcasttt i love you guysss
I love your peak and pits so much, I brought the idea over to my biweekly work zoom meetings with my team ! 🙊 also love you both so much !
God i love you two! you really say it how it is and you’re both so incredibly level headed, you can see how much you’ve changed ❤️
All time FAVORITE podcast time! I love you both so much ❤️
Really enjoying these episodes:) I listen to them to help calm my anxiety for work and I feel like I have two best friends next to me:)
Thanks for what y’all do:)
Me listening to the beginning of this podcast realizing I’d be a great assistant 😂 anyone else
Me
No wonder I haven’t found my passion, I just discovered it… today
Yes
Same lol
SAME. I clearly need to change my degree 😂
I love you guys, this was an amazing episode! ❤️
Pretty raw episode, thanks for sharing with us🧡🖤💜
Ugh I'm scared now but I really do appreciate the advice I'm literally here rewatching taking notes. I love i make up it's my life 😍 love you guys 💞
There’s sooo many homeless that need socks & blankets especially since winter is coming! So I’m happy you guys are speaking about getting rid of stuff💛 one man’s trash is another mans treasure✨🐝🌟💛
Laura, your boots are EVERYTHING!!! ❤️❤️ You are the boss everyone wants to have! I really admire your maximizer approach to life!
And Manny, congrats on your new home. I'd love to see some new home content!
You both are my favorite influencers 👍🏻❤️
Ugh Laura’s laugh and Manny throwing his head back when she starts giggling alwayyyys gets me in a happy, light mood no matter what. Love y’all!! anytime I watch I CRAAAVE a lil dr pep looool cheers! 🥤🌶
Hey guys, really wanted to comment because I thought this was such an insightful conversation!
I am a recent subscriber and listener to fool coverage since I discovered you through the pretty basic girls.
I hadn’t previously been a subscriber to either of you as I am traditionally not the target demographic for the beauty community however, I probably had a misconception of you guys from past online events and things that had circled, even though I wasn’t an active viewer in the those spaces.
I really wanted to say how awesome I think the pod is and likewise you both, I have pretty much watched every episode of the pod in the last couple of weeks since the pretty basic ep and think you are both amazing, insightful and down to earth people!
Fool Coverage is now in my weekly rotation of podcasts and I can’t wait for more peaks, pits and trivia! Love to you all xxx
Can I just say that I applaud you (all of you famous influencers) for your hard work. I work full time in a hospital and I'm trying to create my own CZcams channel too, and I am having a hard time finding balance with everything...but I love it! And I want to make it happen, so I'm going to push through. You have to start somewhere, and I just appreciate you for your influence on me to be more creative! Much love!
I got chills when Laura said, “BABY I’m building my dream”. I felt that! This podcast encourages me even more to get out of my comfort zone to start creating content and start my side business.
Critical thinkers are huge in your company! I think it is so important to ask the right questions in the hiring process. As someone who has hired at so many levels, the types of questions asked are so important. It is so easy to lie about how you have handled situations in the past, or idealize how you would handle a situation in the future. Loved hearing your conversations around this issue.
It sounds like the opportunity of a lifetime to work for you, Laura. I think to allow someone to grow and develop, and support them to achieve their goals - HUGE! The more you allow someone to grow and true responsibility, the more they will add to your company. Wishing your new assistant all of the best - sounds like she will truly grow not only as a professional herself, but also your brand, Laura.
People need to stop apologize for these "minor infractions of being a human" and the folks who are belittling someone's bad day by comparing it to someone else's bad day should be the ones taught a lesson. “Cognitive empathy,” sometimes called “perspective taking,” refers to our ability to identify and understand other people's emotions, and we need empathy and sympathy for the person no matter if you consider it trivial or extreme. To them, in that moment, they are having a bad day and if you want to try and lessen their feelings then it's a you problem not a them problem.
I believe what happened to you two a couple years back is something that no one should have to go through but has benefited you in so many ways. Being able to hear how you two have grown through things especially together is so heartwarming and such a story of triumph no matter what anyone says. Sooo much love 🤍
Love this podcast. You two remind me of myself and my best friend.
Listening to you two talk about behind the scenes business stuff is SO interesting!! I really enjoyed that. I love all the other stuff but that was cool to see your business brains 🧠😂
I feeeeeel yall with the finding active thinker/people with common sense. It’s so hard to find reliable competent people to work at my job and it’s so frustrating especially being a manager of my department
Cancel culture sucks. Why people want to tear people down is so disturbing. Build people up don’t knock them down!!!! ❤
Just when I needed something to watch.🥰❤️
love u guys!
Y’all are just so pretty I can’t get over it
Love you guys 🥺❤
Also she just turned 24!! Can you imagine a new platform..and so many brands reaching out...the amount of work nobody sees.. they only see "free stuff" or getting paid for your opinion.. yes that is the perks of this job..it also does not stop after you research, film, edit, post, answer comments.and that is only on 1 platform... Enjoy you both and not only for your creativity with makeup..but also taking what you have learnt and creating products that are well received... and I personally enjoy too!. thank you for sharing ALL!
Oh, I feel you on the crazies and they are difficult to get rid of! Happy you found someone good!
I usually listen on Spotify but I came here to say thank you for explaining the differences in being an influencer and working a regular job. I'm not an entrepreneur but yes you are working for yourself and you have more pleasure in your work because it's on your own time and passion. There's people working to make ends meet, supporting their familes or to get through college. Also physical labor is a lot more demanding and I wouldndare to compare my work to those who fully use their bodies for work.
I love you guys so much!! I don’t have TikTok so I’ve only seen a few of Makayla’s videos on CZcams and I didn’t think what she said was actually that bad. The internet mob grabs their pitchforks for the most insignificant situations and I don’t like cancel culture. It’s sad to see people tear down other people when they don’t actually deserve it. I would imagine that someone could struggle doing her job and vice versa.
Exactly. Plus she blew up on TikTok is less than a year - went from graduating school to having a following in just months - so I’d expect that to be stressful 😬 I think people just want to get clout from tearing other people down cause it “feels good”
I just adore you guys! Reminds me of me and my besties! Favorite podcast ever! ❤❤
The only pod cast I watch allllll the way through!!!!❤❤
I look forward to you guys every Friday! 😘
Y'all are so inspiring 🌟
I saw that, can wait to see the show!!!
Why makeup is so “cancelly”.. totally agree with everything you’re bringing up, but also my skincare at night is almost like a meditative thing, so is my makeup in the morning. I KNOW I’m not the only one. These routines are way more personal to us then just a kitchen gadget or something. If I’m grabbing someone’s product everyday as a part of my “pull myself back together” moments, no I don’t wanna see peoples companies or names who are ruthless. It’s a sliding scale but too faced is a tough one for me.... 🤷♀️
Really loved this episode. And the accountability and honesty. Influencing IS different from a 9-5. But it’s okay to have bad days.
Love you guys so much
I love what y’all said about being an influencer & how it doesn’t compare to regular 9-5 jobs. I love y’all for being humble but successful beauty creators
I love the peak and pit!!! The only thing that I wish was different was pit first & then your peak! Just starting a new week on a good note 🥰🥰🥰
this has become one of my favorite podcasts :)
I’ve been a personal assistant for three years and you definitely do have to be cautious when hiring an assistant they can be amazing if it’s the right person. My main goal is the one I work for I want what’s best for her always and I make her world go round she knows she can trust me with her life an I will always have her! She will always be taken care of because we have that relationship we are both so blessed to have each other! ❤
I started being an assistant for an indie makeup brand and the assistant talk really was helpful to hear.
I totally feel the last thing manny said I used to just do makeup for fun and for the art but now that it’s a job requirement where I’m required to do my makeup any time I go to work, it sucks the fun out of it plus on the days I don’t work I need to let my skin breathe so I can’t even do it for fun without risking a breakout
YESSSSS SO READY
I love the pop of pink in the background decor😍😍
Yesss Fool Fam!!!
There’s no question that relevant people are held to higher standards. When you’re in a top spot in any industry there’s very little room for mistakes. There are a ton of people waiting to take your spot at any minute so that’s why it can seem like people expect perfection from people in those top positions. This is ESPECIALLY relevant for influencers who have the job of *influencing* people for a living… if you’ve done something shitty it tends to be blown out of proportion because people won’t want you in the top position influencing people on a daily basis
LOVE FOOL FRIDAY!!👏🏽💗