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- How real is the movie Flight starring Denzel Washington? Flight is Hollywood movie loosely based on a true story from crash as a result of a mechanical failures on Alaska Flight 261
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You NEVER give up, and you never stop flying the plane.
I remember a long time ago when I took a passenger up in a 152: As I rotated to take off the passenger door popped open and started banging and my passenger went insane, screaming and crying.
I knew where we were on the runway, knew that the passenger was strapped in, and knew that a flapping door was not going to crash the plane.
So I took off, got to 1000 feet AGL, set the power friction knob, trimmed the plane for straight and level flight, did a quick glance at the sectional to know I was above all potential obstacles, THEN reached over and closed the door.
Passenger was screaming all the way up. But you ignore that: You fly the plane. If I had reached over or talked to the passenger on climb out I could have stalled or rolled it or whatnot. As my instructor said "Always fly the plane"
And never give up.
Thanks for posting your analysis and comments!
That's what a competent RC flight instructor will drill into his students: No matter what happens, keep flying the plane!
1. Much of your comment makes little sense to me. Most of all this: "...the passenger door popped open and started banging and my passenger "went insane, screaming and crying." While rotating to takeoff? That's not exactly the point of no return. Throttling up while cleared to take off and 1/4th down the runway is not a point of no return. If the door is banging at any time before that point is fixable.
Inform tower/throttle down, slow down...taxi off runway.
Any pilot taking someone up in a small plane who's so unfamiliar with flying that they would go "insane, screaming and crying" should be the one to make sure their passenger was buckled in and their DOOR WAS SHUT. You show them how the buckle works. How to get out of the buckle in case of an emergency. How open, close & lock the door, et al.
2. Rotating to take off, the door "popped open." - The only way the passenger door would pop open on a 152 prior to takeoff would be if you were taxying out a little fast and took a hard left. Other than that, the forward movement & prop wash would keep the door from "banging." While throttling up to take off, the door would only rattle a bit. Something a novice passenger wouldn't notice in all the noise.
* Most (if not all) car doors are heavier than a 152's door and even traveling at 40 mph's, the air moving past would slam that heavier car door shut. It wouldn't bang against the airframe.
3. You knew a "flapping door was not going to crash the plane." What 152 pilot wouldn't think that ever? Most pilots coulld fly a 152 with both doors unlocked. You can even remove the doors on a 152 and fly it safely and more drag would be the only problem.
4. "If I had reached over or talked to the passenger on climb out I could have stalled or rolled it or whatnot."
You can't take off in a 152 and speak to a passenger at the same time? Calming them down? You can't yell, "Calm down. We're alright! You're safe! It happens sometimes."
Saying any of that would be a lot better than dead silence from the pilot. The last thing a scared passenger needs is a silent pilot who's ignoring them while they are going insane with fear.
Flying instructors talk to their students during takeoff all the time. Maybe you meant "reached over AND talked to the passenger?"
@@crashburn3292 lol, you commented 50 minutes ago and already an upvote? I doubt it. Upvoting your comment, aren't you?
Stop being a keyboard warrior... he brought the plane down in one peace, and that is what matters. Your "analysis" was uncalled-for.
I'm not trying to cause problems but much of that story makes no sense to me. It took me years to get a friend of mine to fly. Stories like these only instill unwarranted fear. If caution is always taken, doors don't pop open on their own.
Instead of arguing why I might be totally wrong you accuse me of "upvoting" myself? Why not just tell me why I am wrong? What part of my reply is incorrect?
Also, he wasn't talking about LANDING with a person who went "insane, screaming and crying."
He/she was talking about taking off and climbing to 1,000 feet while ignoring the passenger because climbing and calming the passenger at the same time is impossible now?
And to prove I didn't upvote myself, I will 'upvote" my comment right now, bringing the total to TWO, and proving your "I doubt it" theory wrong.
@@crashburn3292 You need some speed to get some doors closed. They'll come back and flap a little bit making some 'banging' but NOT have enough oomph to flex the lock closed...especially if the lock handle is DOWN. You can whang 'em all ya want and all they'll do is bang. The lock lever has to be UP and then enough force applied to get the lock into position and click. THEN you can close the lock handle. The scenario could occur if the door was NOT fully closed in the first place and the lock handle put down. Only on rotation would there be enough turbulent flow to make the door flap. Now, having said that, takeoff checklist should include locking the door, then PUSHING on it to show it's in fact locked closed.
“You can learn stuff from this film”
Me on my first day training as a pilot land there is slight turbulence: “we’re gonna roll it”
yes, please go inverted in a 172 and see what happens haha
My favorite comment lmao made me giggle
I’m fucking DEAD!!!
🥲🤣🤣😂😂🤣‼️
Wait til you tailspin a 172 like Maverick and Goose. Good luck ejecting from that. 🤣
"They eventually crashed into the ocean and everybody died. But the point of this is never give up."
Thanks for the inspiration, coach.
tinmania he dropped that detail so bluntly.
He had too. Facts are facts. Brutal as they may be.
I laughed out loud when he said that. It was funny, even if unintentional.
I laughed so hard that I peed my pants
3 rules for life:
Look good
Don't die
If you die, look good doing it
First time I watched this movie at home, using my newer surround sound system with a bitching subwoofer, when he flew into the church spire my sound system was so loud and powerful, it shook my couch.
Well, an hour after the movie ended, I found out the shaking was a damn earthquake that just happened to hit my house at that exact moment. I still enjoy my sound system! :)
You probably had the most cinematic viewing of that movie ever 😂
@@ENCHANTMEN_ legit hahaha
Oh snap, that's crazier than the time an earthquake rolled through my house the night before Halloween!
that surely happened
@@Max200012
Who cares what you believe..
This happened to my mom and dad, on January 21st, 1997, at 1:48 pm. (Time of death) in Cottage Grove, MN. My dad was flying a Money 201, he had just gotten the plane out of the shop for repairs on the auto pilot, and this was his 2nd flight since the repair.
An electrical issue cause the stabilizer and trim servos to work against each other, with eventually the trim servo winning the battle, causing the plane to go into full down trim and locking it there!
On the ATC tapes, we could hear my dad grunting as he was trying to pull the yoke back to hold it level. I often wondered if going inverted would have given him a break from the force required to hold the plane level?
If you research it, you will find it on N1160G. The NTSB did not actually investigate the crash, because at that time all the NTSB agents were trying to figure out what happened to TWA800, which had recently crashed. They showed the accident as “Pilot error” as it still reads today. However, we hired our own investigation, from experts familiar with this type of crash and once the investigators got to the wreckage (In my dad’s hanger) it only took them a few minutes to find the part that proved the aircraft’s trim was locked in full down position. It’s been 25 years and 36 days, since the crash. My dad was a 25 year instrument rated pilot. I miss them both so much.
So so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine. I hope you are healing okay 💓
I am so sorry to hear about your mom and dad. As a fellow Minnesotan my heart hurts for you.
Sorry for your loss
when i become a pilot i will always have this phobia of the planes elevator becoming unstable and pushing me into a dive
i will always be weary of the maintenance done to my aircraft
Despite what that report says, I and a lot of other people know that it's a load of bullshit and it wasn't your fathers fault in any way. None of us doubt his ability as a pilot or your recollection of events. I can't bring your parents back of course, but I can at least tell you that I believe it wasn't their fault and the attempts by the NTSB to drag their names through mud is futile and ridiculous. There are guaranteed to be people out there who are fastidious on maintenance because of this and that will undoubtedly save lives.
If Denzel Washington, Harrison Ford or Tom Hanks are flying, I'm taking another plane
I think Tom Cruise might have a real pilot license, these three, guess not.
harrison ford does. he has crashed a couple times and landed on a taxiway a few years ago. I think he also has a rotary wing license and rescued some hikers a while back. Not sure about hanks or washington. Personally I wouldn't want to be on any craft tom hanks is in control of. Almost died on the apollo mission, fedex tried to kill him and he's been captured by pirates.. not a very good safety record.
@@jiezhangjzmobee8102 yea Tom, Travolta AND Harrison Ford have real flying licenses indeed.
And Harrison Ford would just say “GET OFF MY PLANE”
RIP @Carson Hopper
Plane: Diving at 350 mph
Me: calmly pulls out reading glasses and manual and begins to read. “Page 1 chapter 1”
"Congratulations on the purchase of your new McDonnell Douglas aircraft. We pride ourselves on building the finest aircraft at the most affordable prices and..."
Hello Goodbye RIGHT????? 😂
John Lacy ROFLMAO!!!!
ayman ali actually 304 knots
Nowadays it would be, if you turn the electronic manual- ipad on to access what to do. Message pops up, " your iOS needs an update, say yes to install now or no to delay" selects No, you selected Yes, restarting now... Or " delay selected, please select when would be a good time?" And... Boom.
When Kelsey talked about how in an accident that a pilot should fight to the very end and never give up in an attempt to save the plane I immediately thought of Japan Airlines flight 123 and how the brave pilots fought till the very end for 30 minutes to try and save the lives on board. Amazing courage and bravery by the pilots even though they still crashed.
Miracle they kept it aloft that long with the entire tail assembly missing. The worst part of that crash was the lives lost at the crash site who could have survived but were lost because rescue took FOURTEEN HOURS to arrive. That has always been heartbreaking to me, it must have been absolutely horrible for them and those who listened to their cries and knew they were slowly dying.
The fact that anyone survived that crash is insane to me and speaks to the pilots skill.
If you are the pilot it is also your life on the line of course you are going to try not to die.
@@scottwoodcock3542 the US Marines were in the area, with night seeing capability and the Japanese still said no.
@thomgizziz That's true, but it doesn't take away from things. When people feel all hope is gone, they give up. That's why you can sit a criminal down on the execution table without them trying to throw hands.
It happens a lot in deadly situations. Once you give up, you're done. And that's fine, if you want to give up, cool. But as a pilot you have a duty to your passengers to keep fighting and not give up hope, because they put their lives in your hands.
Another great thing about the Captain's character besides never giving up, and equally responsible for saving everyone if this were a real scenario, is that he was 100% focused on what the plane was doing and thinking about what he could do-no emotion, no panic, just focus.
Don't tell people that focus will enable them to do such things, because that's not true. Focus won't let you do the unexpected. It was the drugged relaxation that allowed him to perform unusual maneuvers without inhibition. The main plot of the movie was that you can't be trained to do such a thing. Having said that, having lots of experience gives a person the ability to act on instinct in unforeseen situations, whether they are mentally impaired or not.
I'm gonna approach every life obstacle with a "we're gonna roll it"
and if that fails: Im gonna do it inverted, like a boss.
@@Validboy And if that fails we slam it into the ground and get help*
@@midgetarmy1921 I heard The Hudson is nice this time of the year. Turn on the APU.
Parent: You need to learn to drive your car eventually.
You: We're gonna roll it!
A 5 mph shunt in a traffic jam would you still want to roll the car?
Car runs out of gas on the highway
"We're gonna roll it"
You in the backseat, get up here and when I tell you to step on the gas, put the pedal to the metal. You in the passenger seat, you put on my turn signal, on the count of 3, I'm gonna yank on the steering wheel...
😂😂😂
"Woah what do you mean roll it!?"
HAHAHA
haa well that makes sense if you have to get out and push (ie roll) but i was on a 4 lane hwy and everything shut off i had no power steering and had to put on the turn signal and pull hard on that wheel to get her to the shoulder and all this while rushing cars left and right of me doing over 100 while i was slowing down and trying to get through without crashing and before i lost anymore momentum but i realised i was not gonna make it across two lanes and decided to swing to the passing lane instead and stop in the middle of the hwy with the flashers on, very risky move but i felt at the time it was the safer choice ,unfortunately this caused a crash with another car that avoided mine but ended up crashing into the back of a toe truck that foolishly deiced to stop several meter ahead of us ,i was next to the toe truck trying to negotiate something when i saw that car coming for us then going into the other lane to avoid us but ended up swerving left hard because there was a car behind it and wanted to avoid it but instead was now coming at a t bone direction on the truck and i scream for them to brace as i started running towards the back,the car smashed on that back right side of that truck and i almost got jammed between the T bar on the back of the truck and the rail guard ,i wanted to jump but everything was slow motion and i froze the last split second as the car smashed into the T bar ,i got lucky as part of the t bar hit my leg but luckily did not crush me ,my mother sitting in the car thought i was a goner and almost had a heart attack till she saw me walking back unscaved ,truck driver was ok so was old guy in car but drivers assistant had a bloody nose ,true story ,could have ended real badly, another incident happened to me in winter on slick ice conditions on the hwy i had her in cruise control and i was on the passing lane, i saw in front of me what looked like a pickup truck across several lanes as if in an accident and i was doing over 100 and took her out of cruise control and slowly hit the brakes(bad idea) ,as soon as shut off the cruise cntrl everything went haywire and the car started swinging left n right not so bad at first but when i tried to control in and keep her straight it started swinging even worst till i found now headed for a dead on crash into the left guard rail, i quickly turned the wheel all the way to my left and nothing happened as it kept going straight to the rail over the slick ice ,it was all slwo motion and i made my peace and braced for impact ,funny thing at the time i was only thinking about how im gonna end up with a totaled car and late for work lol but god saved me the last second before impact the car suddenly swung to the left and made a 180 and i found myself goign backwards on the center lane ,luckly the driver behind me not going as fat as i was or we would have collided and i kept the steering straight looking back through my mirror and the car was now doing god knows what speed but going backwards and finally came to a stop on its own juts feet away from that pick up truck,,,although i had her in drive i decided to put her in park then drive again and went on my merry way , boss told me next time that happens just keep going steady and do not use the brakes or cruise cntrl on icy conditions
Great analysis of the movie. Just some additions and corrections from the many replies.
1. The MD-80 series does not have fuel dump capability as shown in the movie.
2. All the primary flight controls (ailerons, rudder and elevators) are not hydraulically powered; they are cable operated, so turning the hydraulic pumps to high does not affect flight control operation.
3. Pitch trim (stabilator) is controlled via the jackscrew/gimbal nut assembly and jackscrew movement is powered either hydraulically or electrically.
4. In the movie when the First Officer pulled the Engine Fire Handles that would shut down the engines by shutting off fuel to the respective engine.
5. The JT8 engines are not designed to be operated “inverted” but having low oil pressure would not cause an immediate engine fire, and the engines would operate for an “extended time” this way.
6. In the movie when Denzel Washington rolled the aircraft back upright close to the ground the aircraft would again have gone into an uncontrollable dive. And it would be even worse because of the low speed (stabilator has much more authority than the air-load moved elevator).
7. There were other discrepancies but these jump out at me.
Now to correct the replies regarding the actual flight the movie somewhat copied….
How Do I know about this? I am one of the highest time MD-80 series pilots in the world, with over 16 years PIC experience on this type. More importantly, just a short time before the accident, I flew an MD-82 where I experienced the beginning sequence of events the accident aircraft did. The stab trim quit working for a minute or so shortly after takeoff. It again quit working during climb. That was enough for me (once is a Douglas glitch but twice is a major secondary flight control malfunction). We returned uneventfully to the departure airport. Had we continued we could have ended up with the same scenario.
1. The accident aircraft call sign was Alaska 261 (not Alaskan).
2. Both my aircraft and the accident aircraft flew all night from Seattle to Fairbanks AK and back to Seattle. Both aircraft were deiced in Fairbanks and back in Seattle the next morning before eventually arriving in Puerta Vallarta. The de icing typically entails spraying a pressurized 50/50 mix of ethylene glycol and 180* F water on the aircraft surfaces INCLUDING the vertical stabilizer where this hot fluid can get around the jackscrew (which can remove the lubricating grease).
3. McDonnell Douglas had recently been bought by Boeing and Alaska Airlines had been granted permission to extend jackscrew inspections from 500 hours (or was it 750?) to something like 2500 hours as there had been no issues at any airline.
4. There was one difference between Alaska’s operations in its namesake state where it was much colder and the route length was longer. The airplanes were subjected to 3-4 hours at -60 temperatures while at cruise and this required more frequent de icing of the tail surfaces.
5. The jackscrew is made of very hard steel and the attached gimbal nut was a softer material so it would be the part that would wear out and eventually be replaced if necessary.
6. When the flight 261 aircraft landed in Puerta Vallarta it, once again, had been subjected to a few hours of cold temperatures only to land in a warm, moist environment. With much of the grease washed from the jackscrew, frost formed on the cold metal, which eventually jammed the stabilator operation on both my aircraft and the accident aircraft.
7. The trim on Flight 261 moved in only 1 direction (nose down) as the aircraft accelerated from its takeoff speed to cruise speed. The autopilot was engaged on climb out on Flight 261 before any trim jam. The autopilot uses the much higher torque electric motor to trim rather than the hydraulic trim motor (normally used when hand flying).
8. The crew became aware of “a problem” when the autopilot disconnected just before reaching cruise altitude. They were unaware that the Jackscrew and high torque motor had essentially “peeled away all the gimbal nut threads much like one would peel a potato”.
9. Near San Diego the remaining gimbal nut threads gave way and the stabilator moved beyond full nose down and was resting on a mechanical stop. The crew recovered from this “beyond maximum speed” dive and elected to divert to Los Angeles.
10. The crew requested an over water flight area where they wanted to insure that the aircraft was controllable in landing configuration. Unfortunately the mechanical stop (which was never designed to hold this force) failed and the aircraft went into a steep dive which was unrecoverable. They did not “roll the plane inverted”. This was just the result of aerodynamic forces on the airplane. They did try to roll upright but they were unable to recover before they ended up in the ocean.
11. Everybody was initially perplexed about the cause of the accident. The day after the accident I landed the simulator in various “full nose down trim” scenarios, but these were not the extreme situation Flight 261 experienced.
12. There were other secondary issues but this is what I see as the essence of the accident.
“Some additions and corrections”… indeed. 🧐
😊… I love it! I love your well structured and clear additions and corrections!
Thank You
Best youtube reply ever! So insightful.
Wow! Your information is brilliantly given so much so that I, a non-pilot and rare passenger understood it. Thank you :)
The 1st thing that jumped in my face on that movie was seeing winglets on the MD-80 series and the fuel dump as well.
It's actually kinda funny they got such a big point wrong/changed for whatever reason, considering the rest is quite good in therms of replicating the cockpit and so on (at least on the fast shots, a trained eye sure might see more things wrong on the inside). Some movies are completely stupid in this regard on plane scenes, one of the Hollywood vs. reality he did on some 747 scene was ridiculous, the cockpit looked like some cardboard mockup (...which it probably was), and the plane itself randomly alternated between a 747-400 and the older -200s.
I'm a former Mad Dog instructor and taught the jet for 14 years for a major airline. The MD-88/90 flight controls are not hydraulically powered under normal circumstances. The ailerons are flown by cables connected to "control tabs", similar to the anti-servo tab on a Piper Cherokee. When you turn the yoke on the ground, the ailerons do not move, but the control tabs do. One literally "flies" the aileron. The rudder is hydraulically powered and the control tab is "locked" unless hydraulic power is lost or the "manual control" lever is moved on. In the event of loss of hydraulic pressure, the rudder will automatically "unlock" the control tab. The elevator on the -88 is not hydraulically powered. People note that, while sitting at the gate, the left and right side of the horizontal stabilizer could be at different angles. They are NOT connected but free floating. Thus, pulling on the yoke will do nothing unless there is airflow across the stabilizer. Part of the taxi check list is the captain will verify unrestricted rudder movement and the FO will check the ailerons and elevators for freedom of movement...OF THE CONTROL TAB cables. The FO will pull the yoke BACK first to ensure there's no unusual friction in the control cables (they are just above the baggage compartment ceiling and an over zealous baggage handler could pack the compartment to full) and then push full forward. He will hold it full forward until a visual message indicates that the "deep stall" recovery system has activated. It is then that the free floating elevators will "sync" to full nose down. Elevator trim is controlled by a jackscrew that changes the angle of incidence of the stab panel. Rolling a MD-88 (DC-9) will cause loss of airflow over the elevators (T-tail) and since they are "flopping around" anyway, the aircraft would be uncontrollable. The MD-90 is almost identical to the MD-88 but the elevator is hydraulically powered but has control tab backup should there be a loss of hydraulic pressure. The rudder and ailerons work the same as the -88. "Can you fly a DC-9 or MD-88/90 upside down? "Yeah...ONCE!"
Great explanation. Thanks
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Denzel could have played the plane and I would've believed it.
J McClain LMFAOOO ON GOD. I love the way the copilot is freaking out and he’s just mad calm. When the copilot screams “OH NO FIRE IN THE RIGHT ENGINE” and he just responds “put it out”
Lol!!!!
Gary Oldman played the plane in this movie. He really liked the script so he took a paycut and was uncredited because he had no lines in the film.
"Flight" is the most realistic depiction of totally unrealistic Hollywood dramatized scenarios.
Along with "Hacking" and "Medical Emergencies"
@@halbgefressen9768 Those are movies? 😱😱🤯
@@alexanderboulton2123 pr sure he means those situations, not calling them movies
oh lol he meant the movie?
Half of this actually happened. Look up Alaska Air 261
Some years ago, during our return flight, we hit “a lot” of turbulence - I mean shaking side to side and dropping a few feet. I was white knuckling the armrests, when my good friend who was with me (who is a pilot) said, “don’t worry, as long as you have wings you’ve got a chance. He was smiling at me the entire time he said this. Helped calm me down. And he was right, as 74 Gear man says, you’re in the fight until the end.
That isnt much turbulence... it can and does get a lot worse.
I notice how the co-pilot was freaking out and Denzel is trying to remain calm and inspire calm in him as well. Every time Kevin freaks out, Denzel is snapping commands to keep him on-point.
Sign of a great pilot and captain. ....
"so whether you're a pilot or an aviation enthusiast" ...or just a depressed person trying to fall asleep
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Become a pilot.
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HAH!
True... :(
"Oh lord Jesus we're inverted!" welcome to steam edition.
Rotaté
Hot air balloon goin 400 knots
Is it just me or does the co-pilot sound like morty "Oh God oh Jeez man, Rick, Rick you gotta land than plane, ooooh.".
@@The_Greedy_Orphan true
ArE YoU AirPlaNeForCe65 ?!?!?!
I absolutely LOVE your videos. As a student pilot, I learned that a pilot NEVER stops learning. After watching an episode of "Air disasters" performing my preflight checks, I took a VERY good look at the control cables, my instructor asked "What are you looking for?" I replied all the control cables for any fraying, then I told him of a fatal crash after the control cables were frayed and snapped during the flight and the elevator stopped working.
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This channel i'm never going to give up. 74 gear never lets us down. He never runs around and deserts us. Even when the clips he watches makes us cry, I will never say goodbye. He never runs around and hurts us
For anyone who doesn't know: Alaska 261's horizontal stabilizer failed and the plane inverted itself. Pilots Thompson and Tansky were able to stabilize the aircraft a little bit in that inverted position but by the time they did, it was far too late to pull up, and it's unknown if they would have ever been able to roll it back over - they had almost no control. January 31st of this year was the 21st anniversary of the accident.
oh wow... thats sad
I'm looking for the FSX simulation of the flight
All because the horizontal stabiliser jackscrew was unlubricated and had worn to the point of failure. Over a hundred people dead over a few cents of lubricating grease.
Disagree. The elevator controls pitch and when it became non-functional put them in a nose dive....and the Crew ROLLED it inverted and the elevator apparently allowed a slower decent....all the way down into the water. The Crew never stopped and did what they had to do to BUY MORE TIME FOR A POSSIBLE SOLUTION. They never gave up....flew it all the way down.
When you read the cockpit transcript, the pilot is reminding the Co Pilot that the Blue Side (sky) is down....when they were inverted. Crew trying to fly it correctly while inverted.
That speech about your instructor saying "Stop treating it like a simulator and don't ever give up until the end" reminds me of playing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 the other day. In Virtual Reality I flew a Diamond Aircraft da62 over Seattle on a partly cloudy night with the silhouette of Mount Rainier rendered under the light of a nearly full moon. The plane's electricity just shut off and I didn't know why, so I looked around, flipped switches to see what could turn the battery back on until attempting a water landing in Puget Sound. As expected I got the message saying I crashed my plane. Later I looked at the in game check list and figured I missed a couple of steps starting the plane.
Was everybody OK?
@@frantic1380 No, we all died. I'm the ghost of the pilot.
@@WillShackAttack "And groundpound69, center, lost radar contact are you still with us?" "that would be a negative, center we are now with harambe"
Not a pilot, but was on a couple scary flights. One of them from Louisville to Charlotte on a 737 going through a storm with major turbulence, which also happened to be my first time flying. We seemed to be dropping randomly like 30 feet at a time. Wings were icing over (middle of summer), and I couldn't see the tips of the wings.
The other time, from Louisville to Dallas on an Airbus ?? (smaller passenger jet) - I was sitting in the far front seat by the main entrance, also of course the emergency exit, so I was advised before we left that I was responsible for it. In the air, I noticed how the plane was constantly leaning to the left (and I was on the left). Being in the front, I could hear alarms in the cockpit the whole time. Halfway through, the flight attendant taps me on the shoulder and says "Sir, the pilot says the aircraft is experiencing hydraulic issues, and since you're sitting at the emergency exit, we need to make sure you're ready and aware. Would you like to remain seated here?" I stayed. Looked back, and they were moving people to the right side of the plane, attempting to level it out. We landed safely in Dallas, while crooked the whole time until touchdown. Everyone applauded once we were on the runway. That was some scary shit.
Holy balls! Should've worn your brown pants that day. Lol
WOW I didn't know one could be responsible for an emergency exit.
Did you learn the extent of the hydraulic problems, what caused it and how close you were to a real accident?
A lot of people don't realize that Flight was a pretty low budget movie. They made it for $31 million, half the budget of Sully. It competed with movies like Skyfall, produced for $200 million. So from that perspective I think it works pretty well as a film.
@@74gear
Thanks! Yes I just found your channel and subscribed. You'll do well on CZcams. Just give it time to grow.
31 million is low budget?? Uhh no
low budget doenst excuse lies and shitty story line tho.
You could film most of it in a flight simulator. They might be expensive, but not that expensive.
Denzel made it work. Damn I miss him in movies. Doesn't seem like he's done much lately. And John Goodman was pretty funny as well in that movie.
Movie: i drank the night before the flight
Kelsey: *takes sip of water*
I appreciate the realness and honesty in this video. I personally can never get used to flying but it’s necessary if I want to get somewhere. Pilots are very wanted and essential to traveling and I completely respect what they do. Our lives are in their hands and I appreciate all that they do!
Agreed. Highly technical skilled persons and it still amazes me how they can keep such a large, heavy machine in the air. I know it's aerodynamics, physics, etc., but still fascinating!
Some encouraging stats: Your odds of being in an accident during a flight is one in 1.2 million, and the chances of that accident being fatal are one in 11 million. Your chances of dying in a car crash, conversely, are one in 5,000. 💀
I loved this review. It was so informative. The kind of emergencies I deal with are very different, but I understand the need to make good decisions quickly, teamwork, and to never give up. Definitely one of my favorite reviews!
My instructor told me once: The barber pole isn't a stripper pole, so don't ride it
That's right!!!👍
Wait what?
I do that all the time
Ride neither to be honest :D
That’s a good one.
Captain, the Alaska flight you were referring to was Alaska 261 on January 31st, 2000. I lost a very good friend in that flight but I am proud of the crew for trying their best to alleviate the problem.
I'm so sorry for your loss. May your friend and all those souls on board rest in peace. RIP.
lmao. Youre referring to the guy as "captain." Come on.... Have some self respect
@@JamesTTierce Dude he lost a friend on that flight
@Old Iron Obviously not that big a fan if you can't even spell the guy's name correctly. There's no letter 'a' in his name, nor in the name he was born with...
Ermes Effron Borgnino.
I’m so sorry.
Thanks, you are reviewing all my favourite movies (+ Madagascar II) without bursting the bubble! Love your channel, thanks! 🎉
I remember the Alaska Air crash off Malibu, broken jack screw plunged the plane into the Pacific. Luggage and plane parts were washing up on the beaches for weeks. Terrifying stuff.
2:09
Washington: “I drank the night before”
Real Pilot: **Drinks Water**
Man got thirsty
We all know its vodka. He aint fooling us :P
I noticed that too. I wonder how many people at the cinema bought a drink? xD
Scotch
"water"
“I drank the night before the flight.”.
*Casually sips water bottle.*
I noticed that too, made me chuckle.
Brilliant move.
I thought it was a Smirnoff bottle when I first saw it. Now THAT would have been hilarious.
*"Da da dadadaaaaaa it the mutherf**kin' digo double g"*
*"dada dada daaa its the mutherf**kin' digo double g"*
Your channel is awesome man, amazing hearing an actual pilots point of view!!!
The O2 is great for a hangover Kels.
As far as oil deprivation goes, when I was young man I was a mechanic on the A-10. Specifically an engine mechanic and they had TF 34 engines made by General Electric. We had an engine scatter on us due to oil deprivation. If I remember right, the TF-34 had five shaft bearings and number three was the main and was ball type. The five bearings alternated between roller and ball depending on load characteristics. The number three had balls roughly one inch in diameter………. it was a very large bearing made of extremely durable material.
When we removed the bearing it was shocking, it looked as if it was made out of wax that had been heated to its melting point. We sent the parts back to General Electric, their engineers determined that the bearing had been deprived of oil for only eight seconds. Loss of oil pressure is not good.
I don't care how realistic it is, this is still one of the best flight crash scenes from any movie.
Right, 'Technical Advisors" gave those scenes it's integrity.
It is the best. But holy crap every time we hit turbulence I’m all “we’ve lost the elevator and all hydrolics!!!!!”
Hm. Even Dragonball Z is more realistic 😂
I think the crash scene in "Fearless" is still the best & most harrowing.
The scene in ' Knowing ' was pretty intense !! 😶
On Alaskan Airlines Flight 261, the horizontal stabilizer was operated by a jack screw. Maintenance neglect caused it to have insufficient lubrication. The threads shredded over a long period of time, and eventually the gear jammed. Two friends of mine, Bill Knudson and Brad Long, died in the crash.
Very sorry to hear that. 😞
And the federal prostitutor pretty much allowed the criminal negligence to be utterly ignored criminally.
I can see why Leviticus allowed for the family to send the avenger of blood...
While improper maintenance was the direct cause, management, or more correctly; mis-management by Alaska Air executives was the reason maintenance dropped the ball. This was verified by a mechanic whistleblower who gave evidence of his complaints to managers about the shortcomings of their maintenance schedules, even, I believe-predicting that it would lead to an accident. He had left his position prior to this accident because of his disgust with the attitude of management. The "Air Disasters" episode that studies this accident is really well done and shows the incredible heroics of this crew fighting to the bitter end. With the jack screw almost failing, causing the horizontal stabilizer to pitch down and put the plane in to a dive.The pilots struggled to get control and did temporarily;arresting the dive. Then the screw, completely stripped of threads due to lack of lubrication,failed completely causing the stabilizer to drop to its limits and make the plane uncontrollable. Before the complete failure of the jack screw, the pilots purposely inverted the aircraft because the couldn't get the nose up. They actually flew like this for quite some distance trying to buy time to troubleshoot. At some point they would have to upright the aircraft and their luck had run out. With the mechanical failure they had, there was not a pilot alive that could have saved that plane.
Sorry for your loss. I had tickets for that flight, out of Puerto Vallarta, but decided to stay in Mexico for 3 more days. On a whim.
@@nahteo Oh wow. It's incredible to see how completely random people with kind of connected fates run into each other on CZcams. Happens on all kinds of topics.
Wow , don’t ever GIVE UP !! Wow what a beautiful message from you man.
Love the advice Coach! And your experience and expertise!!!
"The engine's on fire! We're all going to die! Oh wait. That's just the intercom light."
- Far Side cartoon
With the passenger cabin audio on! Hahahaha! Love Far Side
Always scares the shit out of me
Far Side...gone far too soon. I remember the smiles and chuckles. I do Respect Gary for hanging it up when he thought it was time. Now I feel like googling and re-laughing at some classic Far Side. - Cheers
@@joeshmoe7967 There is a fan group on Facebook that always posting the old ones, and some similar material.
"They eventually crashed into ocean and everybody died, but the point is never give up"
lol
still holds true!
Yep. Didn't end well, but the point remains valid.
If you give up, everybody dies.
If you keep fighting, you may still fail anyway.
But while you keep fighting, you have a chance.
When you give up you lose instantly, and everybody dies for sure.
Just 2 people died in the plane
Anslem Aiyegbeni it on the Alaskan Airlines Jet that happened in real life. On this movie yes, in real life Nope!!
Anslem Aiyegbeni look up Alaskan Airlines flight 261.
Great video as always. I was photographing inside one of the new MD 80 aircraft with the test pilot from McDonnell Douglas when it first came out. I didn’t know they were going to invert the plane but in fact they did right over Lake Michigan. I was shocked how well the Aircraft handled it like it was nothing.
I love your videos you're really easy to listen to and you explain everything so well. I'm now a follower.
This guy is very knowledgeable and likable.
74 Gear my pleasure. It’s fascinating to hear an experienced pilot’s assessment of this awesome movie. I liked that you were critical, but in a respectful and impartial way. You also pointed out the accuracies and good lessons. Thank you.
In regards to the last three sentences, these were my thoughts exactly. I have to add however, that while I may understand its humorous intention, I find the scene in their introduction video about their seemingly graceful name and perhaps having to disappoint those who expected "some super hot girl pilot", which is accompanied by an image, to be inappropriate as it reduces individuals and especially women to the aspect of sexuality.
People on the plane: "Oh, no! 😱 We're all going to die! 😭"
Denzel: "Uno reverse. ✈️🔄️ 😎👍"
please i love this
😂
Don’t like this
Hahah
you forgot these :p 🍾🍾🍾
I enjoyed your analysis of this movie and in particular, this flight scene. The screenwriter of this film used Alaska Flight 261 as inspiration, along with personal problems of his own for some of the characters. Hollywood and fiction always finds its way into movies like this. You have to accept that when watching a movie. But as scenarios go, this is one of the more well-done and authentic flight scenes I've seen in movies. I'm sure YOU'VE heard the term, "Shut and and die like an aviator." If I remember right, this originated during the Korean War. As morbid as it may sound to some, it's become a mantra and is a core belief for pilots. Much of what you instilled in your video. And that's...when flying an aircraft that experiences a mechanical failure, whatever...as an aviator, you try EVERYTHING to get that plane and any passengers landed or on the ground safely. Be it a single-engine Cessna or a B-52, you NEVER QUIT! You never stop trying, you try anything and everything to make that happen. Pilots get into flying or quickly learn that there will always be that risk. That a machine you're flying like a bird, can quickly turn into a flying brick. And can fall from the sky just as fast as one. And that it may end in death. But no matter what, you never throw in the towel. With pilot training, sim training, personal or professional flying, all those hours built up...your experience becomes instinct in never giving up. It's amazing to listen to endless cockpit and tower recordings of planes in trouble. And how calm the pilots always sound. Nerves of steel, as they simply don't have time to panic. How calm the pilots have sounded, to those that ended in successful landings, and those that didn't. Why pilots command a lot more respect than they're often given. People fly so often, they take for granted what all the pilot and co-pilot are responsible for in that cockpit. I haven't seen them all, but I really enjoy your videos. Keep em coming!
I had hoped you would critique this flick! I am so glad I caught it! I have watched it many times and it continues to entertain. Love Denzel. Thanks, Kelsey!!!
If I ever hear one of the pilots scream, "Oh, Lord, Jesus..." from the cockpit, I'm gonna need another xanax.
Xanax is addictive af
Random Guy - I’ve heard people say that but it’s not for me. A small subset of people who use the medication get a severe headache as it wears off. I’m one of those people so I use it for a flight, knowing afterwards I’ll have a terrible headache for a few hours. But I could never continually take it since the headache is so annoying.
hahaha yup
@@RandomGuy-qt1nf yeah, I think in that moment, long term addictions are gonna be the last of my concerns... 😅
@@estudiordl lol true
This man's focus -- and his lack of reaction -- when watching these films... fills me with confidence. I hope I'm on one of his flights, one day.
Oh no. Watch his face. In his mind he is working the problems as if he was there. You can see his stress level tightening up his brow and jaw.
agreed, but couldn't help notice his eye brown quiver at 17:27
Not to mention at 2:20.
I watch the XPiolet Channel..these guys are trained to stay calm
@@ARMOROID5000: You think that's a bad thing? It means he can visualize. That's an extremely important quality for a problem solver. You don't want a pilot who doesn't feel fear in dangerous situations, you want one who does.
this is one of my favourite movies, not only because I like aviation, but it also displays various mechanisms of human`s addiction, which are pictured here with all their depth. and, in the end- you guys, pilots, are my heroes.
Love watching your videos. There's quite alot of pilots doin the same content. But by far you are the best.
me: *failing a subject*
also me: we’re gonna roll it
The eyebrow twitch at 2:20 when the girl suddenly appears on screen for a second was absolutely hilarious and it made me miss the following 10 seconds from laughter
she was a hot tamale
I believe 95‰ of us guys did the same thing. We probably just weren't aware of it 🤭
I had the same reaction 😁😁
Neuron activation
@@aceous99 who doesnt likes hot tamales, right
Absolutely love this critique, and the movie. Great acting and the reactions of the first officer are priceless. Have come back to this video at least 5 times. Thanks Captain! I’m 61 and soloed 30 years ago in a 172. Stopped flying shortly thereafter as I had reached my goal. Still love aviation and study crash investigations (it’s never one thing..series of events drive accidents).
To aspiring pilots out there…listen to our good Captain. You’re so lucky to have him mentoring you at no cost. His love of aviation is inspiring. Reach for those dreams, set goals, relentlessly pursue them and you’ll achieve who/ what you want to be in life!
Great analysis on how realistic this scene is. I did this emergency "jammed stabilizer" in the sim while getting typed on the MD82. After the Alaska Airlines accident, this emergency is in the emergency checklist. The procedure is basically just to pull back/push down the controls (depending on the position of the stuck stabilizer) with as much strength as you can. In an uncontrolled dive with no controls probably was the right thing to put speed brakes, gear down and even flaps to slow down the airplane even if the plane was too going too fast to do so but these things are not in the official emergency checklist.
My friend got caught in a microburst (Cessna 172 flying in Montana). He said his grandfather's advice to NEVER STOP FLYING saved him and all 3 passengers. He steered even after hitting tree branches, he steered "all the way until the ground stopped us". NTSB cleared him of any wrongdoing.
Smart man.
Wise move. To quote a great pilot "Fly the airplane all the way into the crash".
@@ghost307 Yes!!! czcams.com/video/BBpqvPujZgM/video.html
That sounds an awful lot like Hatchet
This is good advice even for cars, my daughter let go of the wheel and covered her face, I was like what are doing?!?!? Yeah, we sat and had a talk after that
I like how he lets the scene play out then pauses at the end to talk about it vs other CZcamsrs who pause the clip every 5 seconds to talk
Your little restrained smiles while watching the trailer absolutely kill me
loved the movie and loved ur breakdown of the scenes and technical aspects. this was a 26 min video and i never realised how fast it went because ur storytelling is so good.
i am Rivu, one of Sven’s students and i will be editing a test video fr u . I hv always been fascinated by aircraft ms and also crashes. i remember watching regularly shows like Aircraft Investigation , etc on discovery and it will be so great to be editing these videos. been watching ur videos both old and new and love how u explain the details and break it down. ✈️
“Don’t ever quit” best advice I’ve heard today.
I just quit drinking....but this is solid advice... soooooo.... im drunk.
This pilot who is giving his review of this movie must have given a lot of people more confidence in the pilots who we seldom see. Just looking at his level of concentration and obvious mental strength would make me trust my life to his judgment in the air. Nice review. Thanks
You beat me to it.
Thank God for competent people.
Listening to this guy reaffirms to me how guys like Sullenberger are able to make magic happen. No, they don't have mystical powers. They just know exactly where the rabbit is stashed, and how to pull it out of the hat at precisely the right moment.
@The Gmork Aren't co-copilot's only used on cargo planes transporting coconuts?
Peter Wilson hjgyiôojhy
@Snaggle Toothed Have you ever considered learning to keep out of matters that don't concern you and not being a negative bitch?
@@74gear Very interesting to learn a little of what pilots do every day, thanks 74Gear
Learning a lot from your videos! Thanks! 💕
Just loved the video. Well done Kelsey!!
That flight instructor that screamed at you was a great instructor and it obviously stuck with you. Thats the kind of training needed sometimes to make things stick in our heads when loss of life is on the line. Should it become a real situation. Great video keep them going.
Twice, in two different airplanes, the autopilot tried to kill me while landing in IMC. Once it tried to roll the plane, and the other it tried to nose dive. I’m so glad I actually was able to regain control and land (hence my ability to post a comment on CZcams). But always be aware and always fly the plane!
It is surprising how dumb the autopilot really is. It has no common sense whatsoever. If you set it to 150kt at 40000 ft it will naively do that and disengage when stick shaker kicks in.
Never forget that Myrphy is always trying to kill you, and machines & electronics are his evil tools.
@@douggale5962 I thought that the modern ones have envelope protection, but I don't know about big jets
Dude SkyNet is real Brother lol.
@@Zoroff74 "Machines and electronics are evil tools"
Aight then Theodore John Kaczynski
It’s really funny to watch you watching. 😄 it’s more funny when you then smile as a form of your own laughter. Calm and collective even when laughing.
Love yor videos Kelsey.
I am a former sim-pilot who due to economy and other stuff had to put the hobby aside. I love to watch these videos and I see now how I used to fly my crafts. Sometimes wrong, but often right how you say it should be. Have a nice weekend.
The emotion in the FO’s voice was awesome.
agree great acting on his part he played it great.
I think there are a lot of people who wouldn't want someone as panicky as he was in the cockpit of the plane they're in!
@@linda10989 that's not the point, it's a movie, he was acting for our entertainment. It was entertaining watching him freak out.:P
@@christiancherniss8063 he was on chicago pd ...i always see him as ..WHAT DO YOU MEAN WEE GONNA ROLL IT??
@@linda10989 -- he's screaming and scared, but he's capable of following orders, calling out observations, and doing his job. that's what professionalism is!
23:15 started off as a possibly uplifting true story of an inverted plane, then he hits us with a casual, “...but it crashed into the ocean and everybody died”.
"But the point is...."
I wouldn't say it's an"uplifting" story...
Thanks. Always informative and entertaining.
Glad I found your chanel its very informative and interesting. Thank you
In regards to him making jokes during take off which normally doesn't happen...that might have been because he was drunk.
@@74gear yes makes sense.
@Anton Boludo They were overlooking it. They all knew he was drunk.
That's exactly what I was thinking as well. He's drunk and protocol isn't his thing. Also why he took a hit of oxygen as well
It's because Denzel's characters all have to talk a lot in order for Denzel to get another Oscar
Drunk, high off coke and full of oxygen. I'd be joking around too
"They crashed into the ocean and everybody died" bruh
Well thass wha happens when ya dun lubricate ya jack screws!
The way you used to speak, and the way you speak in your videos now make a world of difference. Your videos are much more entertaining now just by changing the structure of your videos, and the way you speak. Keep up the good work man.
3:00 whatever technical issues are with this movie, this move is awesome! Denzel is awesome! Thumbs up, great video!
17:52 "Oh Lord Jesus, we're inverted!!!"
*actual pilot laughs and grins broadly*
My guess is that he’s laughing because this part was pure Hollywood. In the film (and also in “Sully”) the FO had to act as the dramatic sh*tting your pants foil as an extension of the audience, to the cool as cucumber pilots. In reality, the FO would not be screaming about the houses and making statements of the bleeding obvious, mid emergency. I think he’s laughing because the FO, even taking into consideration a whole lot of latitude, is being unrealistically useless at this point.
Hollywood
@@MrAristaeus - Facts 🙄 lol But they do make a point in tbe movie to showcase how "green" the FO was. He was real, real new, and very young. Nevertheless, it is a bit insulting.
@@MrAristaeus not a pilot, but after watching like a hundred air crash investigations and blackbox recordings, the FO's reaction was on point.
In my book, most pilots are heroes. Every time I fly, at the end of the flight the Captain and/or FO are are standing as I exit the plane. I always make sure to say to them 'thanks for the ride'. It's simple, I know, but I mean it in the highest form of respect. Thanks to all you pilots out there!!!
Actually I fly alot and hardly ever see the captian or the first officer. Sometimes they speek over the intercome to point out something of interest below. Most of my greetings come from the cabin crew. Franckly after landing I'm just happy I'm still alive and the next thing is; I hope my lugguage made it.
compliment the landing
good guy Jeff
And you've probably never once thanked the mechanic meeting the plane at the gate.
If possible I give oral pleasure to the pilots after deplaning, to show my appreciation.
I remember after a flight I was saying good night to the passengers as they deplaned, a little boy came up and said “thank you for getting us home safely.” I began to cry
Love your channel and the things you are doing. Fascinating new content. wondering if you can do HvR on Flight 7500...keep up the great work!
Absolutely love your video's
Glad i subscribed very interesting keep them coming
I love how the engines keep spooling up no matter what
74 Gear yea haha. I loved the review! I ended up staying up to watch some of your other videos! You definitely earned my subscription!
Like the original Fast and Furious where they shifted over and over. They should use a Shepard tone to fool our brain into thinking the pitch keeps going up.
The engine sound i guess is to add to the atmosphere of suspense. Its like you're constantly speeding up in an increasingly worse scenario when any person just wants things to slow down or stop.
They keep spooling up until they break out of the clouds, when they turn off. (Edited spelling mistake)
they say those engines are still spooling up to this day
In situations like that, you literally have the rest of your life to figure it out. use your head, don't panic.
Never heard it quite put like this but I like it!
ok makes sense
and always have your towel near by.
Ok. I'm hooked on your videos. Thanks.
Thank You for doing this analysis. I've watched this great movie quite a few times and repeatedly have watched the portion where the plane malfunctions and Denzel goes into action. Man o man!!! Thanks Brother!!!
"We are inverted"
-anyday on FSX
We have an inverted hot air balloon clocking 200 knots on the runway...
@@TheCuriousNoob there's so much wrong in that one sentence.... you can expect multiple f18 on your position shortly
@@NaomeK40 Roger that. We have incoming glider fighter squadron on your location
Glider on short final, go around!
Yeah right
In the movie "The Martian" Matt Damon's character made a similar conclusion about "stay in the fight". He phrased it: "Solve another problem, you get to live a little longer."
Thanks Kelsi great life lessons.
I work in healthcare IT, sometimes you cant fix it, but maybe you can get around it. Stay in the fight! It is not over till your grease spot in a smoking crater!
Awesome quote, thanks!
thankyou. we all appreciate your hard work and great explanation
18:55 made my day. Awesome video, keep up the amazing work and Thank You.
8:06
F/O: "Oooh Lord! "
CAPTAIN: "Can't help you now brother"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And the Lord did help them. They had the right pilot.
"I drank the night before the flight"
Immediately partakes in a sip of water
either u copied someone or the opposite way around
@@VR_Miata you don't need to copy someone to see he drank water and make a comment on it. Anyone can do that.
_"And that's when my drinking problem started."_
love this channel!!!
the end was really amazing...... just loved it........ love from INDIA
These huge jet airplanes and the people who fly them never cease to amaze me.
99% of these people are laying in the bed watching this
No u
@@dread455 yyeesssss siiirrrr eatin a lolipop and chocolate biscuits and a orange haha
Yep! Just got a brand new tablet so I’m laying in bed, getting my moneys worth 😂
I'm sitting in bed so there lol
I'm not laying in bed. I'm freezing in bed 🔫💀⚰️
great commentary!
Amazing review
The oxygen didn't help Captain Whittaker, so he took a hit of Jack Daniels and cocaine instead.
Lmao
And thats what enabled him to land the plane...ta daaa.:)
Try everything
That would have woke him up and cleared his head......just speculating.
Nothing keeps that big dog down...
2:20 scene on screen
His eyes: 👁👁
Excellent channel, very enjoyable- keep up the great work. BTW, I noticed the first officer had a mustache- another Hollywood liberty I'm sure!
Well said Sir never stop fighting until the end... You made me Goosebumps...❤