Are MTB Tire Inserts Relevant in 2024?
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2024
- Shop Talk EP.2! A candid video breaking down my experience with MTB tire inserts, specifically Cush Core. I have tested the Cush Core Pro and Cush Core XC products throughout my riding career, always paired with Maxxis tires, and feel that they have brought a lot of benefits to my riding, as well as some downsides. Hope you enjoy the video!
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Thanks for watching this week's video! What other topics would you like to see me discuss in the 'Shop Talk' series?
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@@LaurentiusTriarius Interesting! I have never tried, I will look into it 🤘
Always providing useful information. thank you !
Thank you for watching!
Biggest benefit for me is running much lower pressures, especially in the winter. In Squamish, a lot of trails are very steep. Grip is everything when it's wet here. I'm running 16-17 psi in the front, and 18-20 in the rear in the winter here. Zero chance my rims would survive with pressures that low without Cush Core.
Glad it is helping you out! Wet roots and high pressures definitely don't go well together...
how light are you featherweight?
Great vid, and I like the feedback you provide.
I realize that inserts are not for everyone on every trail, but on my local trails, Cushcore has ENDED flats and other tire issues for me. I ride on very rocky, mostly raw terrain, and due to my weight and tendency to take most impacts with my rear wheel, I used to have a lot of problems with rim shots and tube snakebites. When I went to tubeless, I always experienced rimshots (running 30 PSI in the rear), so I decided to try out Cushcore. Problem solved. Yes, the inserts have added weight to my rear wheel, but it's worth not burping a tire or getting a snakebite (when running tubes).
I only run the xc version on both of my bikes (and only in the rear), but they're more than enough to give me confidence riding trails that I'd regularly suffer flats on.
That is rad that inserts have been able to solve your problem!
I'm not sure I *need* them. Fact being, since I went heavy a couple of years ago - that is I started using "enduro/dh" tires and got the inserts - I had ZERO issues. Not a single bacon strip inserted in a tire. No major bends in a rim that would force me to go home early.
The bonus is also confidence when running lower pressure. Also, looking at the insert marks/bites, they did save me some rim bends.
So, I might not *need* them, but I *want* them :)
Glad the inserts are keeping you rollin strong! Thanks for watching!
Been using Tannus inserts for 3 years and my main reason is for rim protection and helping to deaden the chatter. Being able to drop the psi helps tremendously saving us mid-lifers from more abuse! 😜
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Great video Pete. I think you nailed it on the head. I believe if you're only riding a few days week they're a great product if you not worried about weight and want some extra protection.
Totally agree!
My buddy ran them and had the same experience as you. He liked them but preferred to drop the weight and pick better lines.
🤘 Thanks for watching!
I think i have found the sweet spot for me personally. The cush core like you said gives alot of cornering support its very noticeable as im a big guy at 240lbs. I think the only draw backs are the wieght and the install that being said i now use it but with lighter cassing tires so the weight is basically the same but i get more support plus the rim protection and less chance of a pinch flat are a plus. I swapped my dh bike from dh cassing to exo plus with cuch core and i was able to go from 35psi rear to 30 psi rear and no tire squirm in the corners so i rhink the go to is less cassing wieght with the insert
Glad you've found a setup you are stoked on!
I run a 2013 carbon HT race bike as my Gravel rig. I have a cushcore rear tire. Besides all the other benefits, I noticed it reduced vibration into my hands.
It definitely makes a difference!
Any experience with the Vitoria inserts? Looking at the enduro model for my trail hard tail. I run 2.6 with a 30ID
I do not have any experience unfortunately!
Great video Peter! Could you tell much of a difference with the reduced rolling resistance with not running Cushcore?
Glad you enjoyed the video! Definitely can feel the reduced rolling resistance no question. Even just going from Cush Core in the front, to no insert is a noticeable change in my opinion (let alone switching to no inserts at all)
@@PeterJamisonthanks for the insight! Going to take my front one out this week and see how it goes.
@@ericdelchiaro9502 Heck yeah! 🤘
I ride ebike and a DH bike I only ride cushcore in the rear I’m a 240lb rider and the cushcore allows me to run super low pressure and saves me from a lot of punctures.
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I run cush core front and rear on all my bikes (gravel, trail, e-enduro, rigid XC, and even my DJ, which has Tannus tube-based inserts). Mostly this is because I weigh about 280 lbs (I'm working on it), and I do want to be able to run pressures that will allow me to have fun. Since I started running cush core (starting about 18 months ago), I've had maybe two flats across all my bikes, and both of those I attribute to the the crappy design of Bontrager tires. I dinged one rim on the e-bike, which I used as an excuse to upgrade to carbon wheels, but that was a crash. Also, I don't like super heavy tires in any event, and the heaviest casing I run these days is EXO+. And all this is with running 25-27 psi rear and 20-22 front. Not to say that I'm nearly as aggressive a rider as you, so maybe things will change as I get more experienced. So far, I've had no reason to think twice about it, and I doubt I'm going to stop using cush core even if once I make it to my goal weight of 200.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! Glad you are finding benefits with the inserts and that they are helping you out on the trail!
I found cushcore made my bike feel dead and heavy, im not a super hard rider and ride mostly trails but still ride bike parks from time to time. I found running a super gravity casing in the rear and super trail in the front works better for me .
The heavier casing tires can be the sweet spot no doubt!
If i had a dh or full on enduro and rode janky trails all the time i would definitely use them .
I ran a cush core for the last year, then I switched back from maxxis dd to Michelin dh22/34 (my favs) and I just couldn't get the rear tire on. So cushcore no more 😂
Oh dang, that'll happen 😂
What's that canyon bike in the back??🤔
looks like a strive ON (e-bike) to me.
Ha! Just my roomates bike! But would not be opposed to trying out a Canyon in the near future!
I personally want the protection and the suspension aspects. I don’t know if I would ever be near your skill level were I would look at CushCore as a detriment.
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Don't tire inserts affect the balance of the wheel negatively?
Balance of the wheel in regards to spoke tension?
@@PeterJamison I mean in terms of symmetry within the rim. I've seen videos of people putting inserts in and they were not continual hoops, they had open ends that had a gap within the wheel when installed.
I have personally not experienced that ✌🏼
Volume spacer for your tire…. Good point.
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You try these for a hard tail?
Negative, however, I only ride a hardtail for dirt jumps and skatepark where I am trying to keep my bike as light as possible. For a trail hardtail, I could see inserts being a great thing to try though! Have you tried?
Steve of Hardtail Party recommends cush core rear for trail HTs in general, as I recall. For myself, I absolutely need cush core front and rear on my fully rigid XC/trail bike.
Im running cushcore on both ends for my Devinci eTroy. Heavy bikes are hard on wheels so it seems to make sense there. Ive ridden hardtails a lot and would definitely use them for trail riding.
@@scottpratico1315 Great point about the e-mtb. I found Cush Core to be super helpful with my e bike last year!
Sidewall support....220lb rider
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Running Cush Core in the back. Didn't like it in the front.
Definitely has reduced rim damage and flats.
Glad it is helping you out!
I can't imagine my rim living longer than 1 day without a cush core. I ride wild trails with rocks, random stones. I sometimes like to climb a staircase in the city
Staircases will give your rim a run for their money!
Well if your bike is like 50 lbs, your ass is over 200, and you have very little mechanical sympathy, the answer is: Yup.
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If you’re a sloppy rider, yes.
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No
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