TransPod Hyperloop faster, cheaper than high-speed rail, Toronto startup says
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2017
- Imagine hopping on a train at Union Station and being in Montreal in under an hour - and in Windsor in 30 minutes. Toronto-based TransPod says Ontario's plan for high-speed rail is slower than their Hyperloop technology, and more expensive too.
“Cheaper” sure. A vacuum pod in a titanium tube capable of airplane speeds, vs a Train going at race car speeds, using slightly modified train tracks and stronger than average motors.
@@BearRealOfficial my bad, but still cheaper
Did she saying up and running by 2025? I started laughing so hard..I can risk my career and guarantee you it won’t be done until maybe 2050.
Everything seems impossible, until it done. But thanks for being a naysayer, that's motivation for people who actually work to improve society. Do you want me to send you a horse and buggy? Would you be more comfortable going backwards in technology and efficiency?
best believe ill be living in montreal and working in toronto
YUP
@2013 Dodge Grand Caravan You think double taxation is more expensive than Toronto real estate?
People need to start being honest about how low the capacity for the hyperloop is. It's about 25% of the throughput of HSR. So if it costs more than 25% of HSR, it's less economical.
it's probably gonna be scalable in the future.
@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 not to mention the amount of pods you can send
@@Nik-ny9ue true. though, i was having a thought. i do think that before hyperloop happens in any meaningful sense, that maglevs would probably first have to become somewhat widespread.
@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 which is why I think the best way to get people onboard with Hyperloop is to make a high speed rail. This way people can become accustomed to having a speedy method of transportation. I think the best way to try Hyperloop would be connecting Toronto to a city without a Via Rail Station like Sault Ste Marie or a town on the border.
@@Nik-ny9ue Waste the time and resources to build high speed rail that is inferior in quality to Hyperloop just to 'get people used to' the better way of high speed transit? That doesn't make sense. Many places in Canada don't even have passenger rail (and we ain't talking high speed), so to waste time and resources to building the heavy infrastructure for high speed rail first, then more infrastructure for Hyperloop TransPods would be inefficient. If places like Southern Ontario have high speed rail already in the works, that's fine, let them be another option for people.
But imagine a Canada-wide University study to collaborate on a Trans-Canada Hyperloop system? Trials, tests, adjustments and all that would be needed? We could have a great system getting built in 5 years or less.
I wonder what these people say about Thunderf00t's videos on the matter.
There is nothing new about Vactrains, or Maglevs that run in tunnels. There have been decades of R&D on maglev trains, yet very few commercial successes. High speed rail is a proven technology that exists in France, Germany, Spain, China, Japan, and even Morocco! High speed rail can use existing conventional rail lines, and directly link downtown to downtown. If you tried putting a hyperloop in a city's center, the costs skyrocket.
What do you mean 'nothing new about Factrains or Maglevs'? There is new technology related to their development every year. They have incredible efficiency and effectiveness potential. I'm not saying rip out all the high speed rail that already exists. By all means, use it, but many places in Canada, for example don't have any high speed rail. They could jump to the newer, better technology and set the stage for more TransCanada TransPod networks.
As for putting them into inner city, you're right, not great for the most part. One line and station might be as much as possible, the station could be put near the airport, but then transit within the city can be done by improved networks available like e-bikes, scooters with protected lanes as well as SkyTran lines.
How can they possibly make this less expensive than high speed rail? For one thing, this is a technology which does not even exist, so how can they make any valid cost estimates for a complete system? If they do their homework first and build a full scale, full speed working prototype, then they can actually gather some data on how much it might cost. My guess is that if they even get to the working stage, it will prove to be prohibitively expensive. I know some will say that all plans for high speed rail ought to be put on hold in favor of hyperloop. But that makes as much sense as saying that hyperloop ought to be put on hold in favor of teleportation.
Hey there, don't go thinking or something.
All good questions and I'm sure questions that people involved in the development of hyperloop technologies are asking and working on solutions.
Like any technology in its infancy, there are lots of hurdles to overcome. But the more collaboration, time and effort that goes in to the development of this, the better and faster it will develop.
The reason they say it would be less expensive that high speed rail is because not as much land is needed to put up the structures and fuel is not needed. As we all know, fuel prices are high and often keep growing. So a transit system without the need of fuel, running magnetically and electric would be less expensive, and over time, much more efficient.
Plus since the transpods are tunnels that are covered and they run on mag lev tech that doesn't have friction with the rails, much less maintenance costs are required than high speed rail. The weather is also less of a factor. Whether it is raining, sleeting or snowing, the pods can keep going.
Since the pods travel faster than high speed rail, up to 1000 km/h that means more trips can happen, more frequently and more conveniently. Pods can leave the station every 30 minutes or so.
The question is how much time and resources are going to be allowed to be put into this technology? Collaboration is key.
How is this project coming along?
I am amazed how these start-ups can raise money for a technology that will never exist.
Hyper loop is too much hype. Think about, is the walls of the loop is damaged for any reason, and incoming blast of air would be huge. It would damage the loop and destroy anything within. What if maintenance is required, the interior of the is a vacuum.
Just get a maglev train. The tech is now here.
It's worse than that. It carries 28 people at a time. The capacity is, even with incredibly unrealistic headways, literally 1/4th that of high speed rail. With actually attainable headways, it's 1/16th. So it's actually the least cost efficient transit option to build by passenger mile. The real cost of a ticket would have to be so high that it will only be a luxury for the extremely wealthy, which we all had to subsidize.
there is 2 major flaws in the project (you cannot see outside, and you can only carry *limited luggage)
one single 3 kg briefcase instead of a myriad of chests, weekend carriers, pullman bags etc
Talking, talking and talking, but nothing happens :)
If conserv party promises this and gets a connecting from halifax to calgary to van city . By 2045 . I will vote straight conserv party when they do another election when trudeau gets kicked out for his stupidity with we
The Alberta government has given Transpod a few kilometers of land somewhere between Red Deer and Calgary to build a test track. Apparently all the funding will come from private sources. Here's to hoping the spending stays private and Alberta doesn't go the way Ontario did with Wynne.
Yes, I've heard of this. Any new project or technology is going to need to do lots of tests, trial and error to work out the kinks. But that's good. Just hope the oil and gas industry doesn't try to interfere with technology that threatens their future profits.
... but nah, that never happens in the capitalist pursuit of market share, profit maximization and competitive self-interest, right?
tired of this hype. hyperloop is decades away and clear tube travel in a vacuum tube probably centuries. the only high speed tube travel that is within our technological grasp is slip streaming. cheaper than hyperloop and far safer.
Hay it's your opinion but we need this tho because I want to travel before I die like I'm 18 hope it happens plus he will test it out to see it's safe thatswhat there supposed to do like cars and planes to see there safe
It’s also very deadly
@@trevorthefoamer220 like car travel
Big up aux bts CRSA
The hypeloop will be absolutely fast, safe, cheap, comfortable, and environmental friendly. Not to mention it will generate more energy than it needs. On top of that it's easy to build, that's why Elon Musk is letting students build it. "It's not that hard."
Why does that sound like a scam? 🤣
Well, no mention of how much energy will be consumed to generate, regenerate and maintain the vacuum (sounds like more than the costs and energy of building and maintaining roads and rails) - also their significantly lower passenger capacity than trains on rails (low, high or higher speed) or airliners and from what I can tell lower load capacity than road vehicles like buses or trucks.
Maglev trains exist in but a few parts of the world, but from what I can tell they actually do work - hyperloop has had but a few test tubes that don't quite yet prove... Not sure yet, but time will tell.
@@lindenmurgo9273 Quite true. I completely agree with your assessments of huge energy requirements and low capacity.
The so called test track is nothing more than a rollercoaster ride. Actually it's way less. Very little of the full scale technology can be tested there.
The hypeloop sounds way too good to be true, just like Theranos. But it's so funny to hear uninformed people defend it. 😅
If conserv party can make that a objective and party goal. To have hyperloop across canada. I will vote conserv no matter what
This video is difficult to understand because no French subtitles
as someone who does not like flying I would much prefer much more high-speed 'elevated' rail. Elevated well off the ground is by far the best option as well IMO, its takes so much of the dangers away from ground level(cars & wildlife etc.) its just such a no-brainer ;-)
Insane
Coucou lés copains
Cant see this happening any time soon.
I like it, but only for block to block and useing tires. What to view for 40 minutes long distance beside it one capsule at a time. What I don’t like is musk useing boring company as hyping telsa motor. When boring is a private company so is space x. Only home battery and solar city are family in telsa stock.
Futurama
They need to reshape the head to avoid friction
ugh i feel like vomiting looking at the go train
Both Japan and Germany have decades of experience on maglev train technology, and have invested billions into R&D, yet, the ones talking about hyperloop (essentially maglev technology) are US and Canada, the ones who have the least experience on such technology. It's a hoax.
That's because this is not how hyperloop was originally designed. It was supposed to use air cushions for levitation instead of magnets, so yeah.
If it's good enough food Elon Musk, then it's good enough for me.
Germany developed Maglev but only has a test track, their own government never invested in it. Japan does not have Maglev, they have high-speed rail trains. China is the one that has active Maglev trains and invested hundreds of billions into high-speed rail and maglev.
The reason for the vacum tube is to eliminate friction from air.
MEV 3D Vision hyperloop isn't maglev technology and the original design doesn't use maglev.
zack leffue Actually hyperloop uses maglev tech to propel the only thing it adds is vacuum to take air resistance out of the way which is what limits maglev trains exposed to the resistance.
Cant even get high speed rail up and going why does anyone think this will get off the ground
@@BearRealOfficial Not when they're competing against the high speed train sharing existing tracks in downtowns, instead having to tunnel under everything. Tens of billions of dollars spent on tunnels just to get the thing out of Toronto. That alone, forget the numerous other issues, shows hyperloop is more expensive.
@@BearRealOfficial on the approach to Union Station the high speed rail would use the existing tracks - it wouldn’t “fling off” the tracks” because it would be slowing down majorly as it approaches Union Station. Once it gets out of the city, the high speed rail would break off into its own dedicated, grade separated railway of bridges, embankments and viaducts. Hyperloop can’t benefit from the existing Union Station platforms and tracks so everything would be tunneled under the most expensive part of the alignment - a large and dense city.
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Is there a test facility for this thing, talk is very cheap.
UPDATE: Elon Musk’s idea was this. It failed because he wanted to be cool bro, not a nerd.
Pod runners 😂 it's best to transport medical equipments.
I wanna keep all the Amtrak trains all year and every year.
I wanna keep all the trains all year and every year.
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Will there be enough work building this, that Newfies and Quebecois can come to Alberta again cause there's no work in their provinces ?
Wow now usa show who is the boss in terms of technology
The cost is the worst part of this scheme
yeah its true
Salut ca va ? Je pense que je m'appelle Noopy je comprends rien
Personnellement ça va
Moi ça va aussis
I wanna keep all the Amtrak all year and every year.
The city will have 200 "studies" aka make work projects put together to discuss this and nothing will ever get done.
Maybe we can build something with tax payer money and sell it to a foreign company after like the 407.
oof he went there
Apparently this outfit raised $500 Million. Nice CGI, nothing that actually works as pitched. See Dave Jones recent debunk on this.
The idea of Elon Musk will create many engineers which is great for this generation. Also, it will allow future generation to think about different ways to bring about the technology in a very unique way. GO ELON!!
Are there really enough people who regularly travel between Toronto and Montreal to justify this?
sweiland75 yeah those are the two biggest cities in Canada...
Must need this pronto,
the truth is that hyperloop could replace cargo and coach transport easily but in an era were so many jobs are being taken by machine it may be wise to have high speed rail and hyper loop.
Simon arrête de renifler stp
J'fai ce que je veux
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The only country can afford to go for this tech is China, if they don t make any move on this then we should not.
24 people who disliked the video are new car owners.
good ;)
great
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train dans un tube
Cheaper? The rail companies wouldn't have Money.
Thank you Elon Musk.