This Was a Massive Overpay by the New York Knicks
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- Discussing the breaking trade of the Knicks sending 5 first round picks to the Nets for Mikal Bridges
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And somehow bulls got no picks for Caruso 😂
Right? Makes it look even worse
stop with the delusion it'll be ok jesus...
@@And.One.Hoops1 I wonder if they waited on the Giddey trade a few more days, if the new "market value" for defensive wings would have enabled the Bulls to get at least one pick from the Thunder.
Why Giddey is litterally averaging more points and is younger. Have more potential.. Caruso is 30
@@inamorta47-playertwistWhat about all of the other flaws in his game?
Mikal "Iron Man" Bridges vs Tom "Crutches" Thibodeau.
whats the over/under on how many months he plays with him before he compound fractures his leg
@@cheap272probably not as good as your team continues to suck for the next decade because they're trying to get "a good lottery pick"
What did the Knicks in for this playoff run? Injuries, depth, and lack of another scoring option. What does Bridges bring to the table - he doesn't get hurt, he adds another asset to the roster, and he can score
Right but bridges isn’t the guy that’s going to make you better than Boston. So putting all your eggs in one basket for him is kind of crazy.
"doesnt get hurt...so far" -Tom Thibodeau
You are not that bright...and don't know shit....bridge's was the only 1 that makes this trade acceptable and good.....u can't always be worrying about the future when you have the team we have...the time is now and the chemistry is part of the trade and these dudes are actually really good friends so its not a 1 and done the Knicks are set for the next 5 years that's part of trade 2....now u put all those things together and the trade was well worth it
Don’t listen to these dumb motherfuckers. The Villanova Knicks winning it all if healthy. Let the haters keep hating they can’t see New York being good because they’re too blindsided to their narrative.
@@toptopics7135 I like the trade for the Knicks - if you didn't get that from my original post then maybe you're the one that's not bright and doesn't know shit
They said we overpaid for Bronson, chemistry is everything in the NBA. Bridges may surprise us and turn this trade into a steal for the Knicks.
No such thing as a steal for 5 picks lol, especially for a 3rd-4th option.
@@Mr.Byrnesa bit harsh. He’s a solid 2nd option. He averaged 20ppg, lol. Make it seem like he’s a bench player, 3rd/4th option.
@@FadeHook23 He will be a 3rd option behind Randle and Brunson
@@FadeHook23 19ppg fool in a era where scoring is inflated
@@Mr.Byrneswe alive now who cares about 2029
Same way they "overpaid" for brunson 😂
Yup, I love when outsiders hate on a knicks move, works every time. Just like how RJ and IQ was an overpay for OG. Mikal is 27, averages 20 shoots 40% from 3 and arguably the best 3&D wing other than his own likely teammate.
People just want to throw a bunch of iso scorers together, that method hasnt won in 15 years.
@@Mijetify yup, the suns are a perfect example of this
Not the same at all actually
@@Mijetifythey addicted to being wrong at this point 😂😂😂 Knicks hate is a mental illness
I’m so glad the Knicks aren’t going to waste Brunson prime years and is getting him all the help they can. Embib would love a front office that cared enough to do what the Knicks just did
Exactly
Looking at the Knicks roster as a Bulls fan right… I’m more than confident that Thibs is going to coach them to the ECF and possibly beyond. The Knicks are stacked and are ALL IN!
Dude they will fall apart by 2nd round. Just like they did this year. Thibs will play them 42 minutes lol
You can't put a price tag on Friendship and Chemistry, which is what exactly what the Villanova connection have.
This ain't college either
@Eastnewyork2106 did you not watch the career year all 3 had playing on the same team this past season? Brunson had a career year, DiVincenzo had a career year, and Hart had a career year. It's no coincidence why that happened. Friendship and chemistry matters dude!
In 2013, the Knicks traded an unprotected 2016 first and two seconds for… Andrea Bargnani.
That 2016 first turned out to be a 9th overall pick. This could get really ugly even by the time the first unprotected pick comes due.
Andrea Bargnani was injury prone. Dont compare him to iron man bridges. And that Knicks teams in 2013 wasnt contending. This team has been going to the playoffs. That 2013 knicks team was garbage.
So context as a Raptors fan, one of the reasons they traded OG is that he reportedly wanted to more offensive responsibility that he wasn't getting with Siakim, VanFleet, and then with Barnes coming in.
My guess is you don't trade 5 picks for another high quality 3+D small forward if they actually expect OG to stay.
OG and Bridges can both start. If Paul George can play as a 6'8 shooting guard, then so can Bridges. Bridges is more of an off-the-dribble pull-up shooter anyways. Literally Paul George lite. Divenchenzo can come off the bench as your 6th man. The most shot attempts that OG averaged for a season in his career is 15. OG's strengths on offense is as a floor spacer, play finisher, and offensive rebounder. He's had ample opportunities to be "the guy" in Toronto post Khawhi. Thats just not his game, so i don't buy that rumor of him suddenly wanting to be heavily featured on offense. It's more believable that he wanted out because the Raptors were in no man's land and he could go to a better championship contender while still getting paid. Unless OG does something drastic, like firing his agent Sam Rose (son of Leon Rose the Knicks GM) he's most likely staying with the Knicks, assuming the Knicks don't lowball his market value.
True, but Mikal provides insurance and the best version of Mikal the Knicks need is not 20 pts Nets Mikal but 14pts DPOY candidate Mikal on the Suns when they went to the finals and had the best regular season record. Given that Randle is injury prone OG could still be a 2nd to 3rd option on this team, they just got deeper. As long as Mikal doesn't want the offensive role in NY he got with the Nets than OG might stay and get the larger role he wants too. Mikal is also playing with his college buddies so he might not care about touches as much for that reason as well.
@@donovanmoore65 It's possible, but I think we're making a lot of assumptions that OG is staying when there are teams that can also offer him a max and the well defined offensive role.
Well this aged great.
Lol I don't think too many people thought OG would get THAT much. If the Knicks offered him that much regardless of role I don't think he passes that up. It was an overpay, maybe it will pay off.
Well thankfully the knicks have Tom Thibodeau a guy known for not letting his star players get injured 😃
This comment is gonna age like fine wine
All they gotta do is run and jump this is not football clown
This movies the needle. 2-5 6’6 and up that’s crazy. With two strong wing defenders😊
One of whom is injury-prone.
@@urbaindelva7869u sound mad
You have to be a bit more than a casual to understand why the value was there for the Knicks to trade those picks for Bridges. The way the CBA is today you can't have more than maybe 2 max contracts on your team, Bridges may not be an all-star as of today, but his contract is VERY team friendly. If you compare it to Paul George for example hes being paid 30+ more mil a year. These types of contracts are what is so valuable to a team like the Knicks who are in win now mode. Its much more than just that as well with team chemistry, age and what not. It is a situation where the value is hard to see but it is 100% there.
I agree. Especially since the Knicks whole team seems to be injury prone. Might want those picks back in the very near future. Kinda feels like the Knicks are going all in before the wheels fall off
What are talking about? We still have hella picks for the next 5 years we’re not hurt at all
U sound delusional and don't know what you're talking about about
This is an all in move
Their title window is now
And they’re going for it
Gotta respect them for that
They were really close to making it to the conference finals this year including all the injuries they had so adding Bridges I do believe can make them true title contenders
It may be a risky move
But I do see the Knicks trading Randle so it should negatively affect their ability to resign OG
you think those low picks would result in a player half as good as bridges? Good luck with that. The truth is that you're more likely to bust out in the lottery than draft even a rotation player. People think they'll draft another jokic or Brunson with those picks is laughable.
Knicks got OG and Mikal for what it would have cost them to get Donovan Mitchell.
And considering they should be real good over the next 4 or so years a majority of those picks will be in the mid to late rounds. Fit/need sometimes matter more than name.
How many teams have 2 elite 3&D wings. Bridges is two years away from being dpoy runner up.
The Knicks actually still have picks they can trade to push for the title. They can even trade this year’s picks during draft night.
We were already titled contenders and Bridges just puts us over the top. Just remember, they thought we overpaid for Bronson.
Those are literally the only picks they can trade from now until 2033 lol
@@And.One.Hoops1 Not really, they also have 2 2025 1sts from Detroit and Washington. None of them will probably convey next year but they can still spice up a deal with them
@@FabioYerbettiyou forgot teams want unprotected picks and yall going to max out og bridges and Brunson as ya big 3 for 5 to 7 years lmao OK
@@Eastnewyork2106 so you’re saying we’re going to be title contenders every year for the next seven years. Nice that was worth it.
The Nets mightve just made up for that 2013 trade 🙃
Fumbling bumbling take 🧊
U guys are really nit picking about what the Knicks gave up the only way this become a very bad trade is if the Knicks absolutely don't have a winning seasons moving forward and i mean finishing every season at the bottom of the division, the Nets will be that team but please y'all see this team will be alright if they aren't beat down by injuries we are looking at those draft picks holding no vaule to the Nets.
Bridges is an all star.. Can score and a grea great defender.. This is the best move this off season..
Bridges has never been selected to an all-star game.
@@NDTD-je8wl correct, i am aware thst he is not yet selected as an all star. the way he plays now, for me i see an all star caliber player.
So what was the better options?
The Brooklyn nets now have 17 first rounders over the next 7 yrs plus they’re primed to tank for cooper Flagg or Amari bailey. They’re going to have a really good rebuild knowing Sean marks history of drafting
Betting on Rookies not even in the league yet.. Good luck with those late picks 👍🏽
Anyone smell that????
I smell FEAR...
It might work short term, but damn. Who's to say there's not a can't miss prospect years from now that they miss out on if they have to restructure later? And they better hope OG stays.
Great episode, no one covered how well Nets move was. Everything out is Knicks perspective.
This is crazy talk, and usual knicks hate. Every move we make is a reach. This was the cost, bridges is making 25m and hes 27, there was gonna be a bidding war. Where can you get a 2 way player for less? 5-7 years who cares about picks that far out? We have our roster and we're ready to compete now.
I also thinks it’s an overpay. Don’t get me wrong bridges is a good third option but they honestly should have waited until another superstar was available . 5 picks is a lot .
They couldn't really. Resigning og and ihart and picking up bogeys option would make them an apron team and making moves is much harder then. and brunson/randle extensions are coming. This was the only time and no superstar that made sense was available. I agree it was an overpay but the knicks couldn't wait
I dont think the knicks can outbid the likes of Spurs and OKC
@@BanuxMVyes but their extension kicks in after next year. I would have preferred them seeing what the ceiling was with this roster with randle in the lineup , then make trades at the next deadline if need be . I get it though, this is insurance Incase og doesn’t sign , but it would have made more sense to see how this team performs with randle. This is just too a bit too early. I still don’t see them beating the Celtics. They have gotten a lot stronger though.
Mikal is a star and he’s the third for us now. The defense between him Mitch (if he doesn’t get traded) and OG. Plus the chemistry between the nova crew. Knicks had the second most first rounders behind okc. This was the match made in heaven and with this crew those picks aren’t going to be all roses like nets fans think. We still have more draft capital and 2 picks tonight. It’s a win win but ask any knick fan this was the long shot dream scenario. We got it.
@mrawesome7175 yes but again even without those extensions they're already a 1st apron team and making moves like this becomes harder
I think the Knicks are going to come second in the east now and make the second round. Nice
Lol
We did that this year with out G league squad. Keep hating
You couldn’t sound more wrong
Explain then
Knicks draft history on 1st round picks not so good win now situation so let's go nova Knicks
This trade was an absolute overpay. By the way, now the Knicks have the Villanova team of 2015-2018 as their roster: Bridges, Brunson, Donte and Hart. That's the Villanova team. 🤔
All u said was alot of what iffs.....
When you think about this draft class though it's not overpaying at all lmfao quite the opposite
Eh? The picks aren't even in this draft
would you rather hold have them hold on to those picks and wait for a "superstar" to only disrupt what jaylen brunson is doing within the team? bridges is consistent durable and can still improve. most of today's superstar are drama queens. did they overpay? maybe. but thats subjective base on what knicks want.
What will prevail ?
Bridges fitness and availability or Thibeadeu and the Knicks injury curse
You should be able to get someone like Jokic for this crazy package ... not Mikal Bridges. 😅
Brad Stevens, Danny Ainge, Sam Presti: Watch it disappear
Didn't dislike the trade for New York. But, you make good points about later year picks being unprotected & possibly the hard cap issue.
Really should have moved Randle in for a few less picks in such a trade. Would have maybe allowed for option to sign a decent stretch big (Valancunias?) where they could play at least a soft five out scheme if they wanted.
When you think about it. If Bridges really was worth five 1st round picks, would Brooklyn be open to trading him?
Also kind of interesting that puts them into a hard cap. Bojans contract was worth 19 mil a year.
Arguably getting rid of Bojan was worth a pick for the Knicks. Detroit played worse with him. So did the Knicks, much worse.
I'm just glad we didn't get Paul George. great player, but too old and injury prone. Bridges is a perfect fit- young, can score and a great defender who's not injury prone. I wonder if Randle could be on the trade block now in order to keep OG and Ihart. i don't mind him staying either. I have a feeling the knicks aren't done making moves this summer regardless.
The one good thing is that he IS Iron Man. Bridges hasn't missed a basketball game since high school!!!
Until he meets Thibs
Yeah this was an overpay…I get it Rose was thinking value to team over actual player value…but even by that logic it’s pretty bad
Thank god we get to tank for cooper flage next season.
Man fuck them picks 😂 lol. But really the knicks stillchave plenty of first round picks left over. A trade can be an overpay and still be good for the the team.
Excellent video
Just me-I don't think they send out this much if they aren't confident they can retain OG
Knicks overpaid but they are insanely deep now and can contend for a championship.
ALL IN. GAMBLE THE FUTURE ON A PLAYER....DO or DIE. We will know the outcome a year from now
Ain't all these picks going to be high 20's? So it's not that bad and still have the asset of randle to send off.. the Paul George trade is by far the worst, everyone knew sga was gonna be elite
How do you know that when the picks are so far out in the future?
Definitely an overpay , that's a superstar package, if that's was the asking price it gladly my rockets didn't do it
Gobert is not a superstar and was traded for hella picks. Please stop with this bs
@TheScarwulf so it makes it okay to trade your whole future for a role player? Make it make sense
@@lasershow017 we have hella picks still for the next 5 years no we didn’t trade our whole future away please do some research before saying bs lol
@@TheScarwulf bruh learn to read
@@TheScarwulf no matter how u slice it that's too much for him , 2 picks and a player would be my ceiling , Gobert is a bad example that's a horrible trade also, defensive player of the year n gets cooked to where he's almost unplayable in the playoffs
Hello mate please give me one chance to edit your video I know that I couldn’t match you level at first but I know now how to edit your videos.
This won’t age well. Didn’t even include perennial all nba Julius Randle. He’s the oldest player in this core. He may now be the number 2 but make no mistake this team is built around him.
Julius Randle is likely getting traded, what are you talking about?
Worst trade in NBA history
Not an over pay at all, hes a 2 way player, still under contract, still in his 20s, team friendly contract, and was on a city rival. Other teams wanted mikal badly, there was gonna be a bidding war and the knicks had the most assets u wanna avoid losing the bidding war u come big.
Knicks could have gotten Donavan Mitchell or KAT with all those picks . Yes it’s a overpaid
@@sting114 mitchell and brunson are both ball dominant guards, so no that doesnt work and mitchell does not defend. Julius and kat play the same position so no that doesnt work either and whose to say kat is available or that the timberwolves would take julius' contract. This is a reach of a take. Besides the knicks only gave up 4 of their own picks, the other picks belong to detroit and the bucks.
its not an overpay if it makes you a championship team.Only two of those picks are really valuable '29 and '31 and the only player the Knicks sent out was bojan who is 35 coming off two surgeries
Does it make them a championship team though?
knicks will competitive for the 3-4 years so all first round picks will be 24 or higher there will be no next generational player in the back end of the draft. We Resign OG and Added 6 more picks in the draft. if not badly injured we would have more competitive in the ECF. beside Boston won't be the same team either after they Max Tatum with Brownal ready max Dru big contract and prozingas contracts what bench they will have the going to lose white and have a bench of mid levels exceptions.
(5) - 1st rounders (low picks) for a healthy in his prime player......sign me up!
How do you know they’re going to be low pick 5-7 years out?
Bro we not gonna lose OG his agent is Leon rose son. You really think his son gonna sway him away from his fathers team please
Overpay, yes. But the Knicks can afford it!🤑🤑🤑
😂😂😂😂 did all that to be the fourth best team in the East overpay like crazy almost bad as the Ben Simmons trade the Brooklyn nets did give up all that for somebody that probably not even a top 40 NBA player
@@MmMmm-gh3msyou sound so stupid 😂. When healthy we was dogging everybody. And plus we still have hella picks for the next 5 years our future is bright
We gon see! @@MmMmm-gh3ms
Only draft pick worth it is the knicks 2031 unprotected draft pick. Who knows what the knicks look like then. But then again all the knicks players are just starting prime years . Ages 26-27 years old. Unlike the trades for kd, paul george where there age will effect there team in 4-5 years.
Yea those teams that go nowhere? Those are teams that go all in on old players. Mikal is young as hell and fits the knicks.
He’s not THAT young, he’s going to be 28 by the start of the season
@@And.One.Hoops1 hes under 30 making 24m the next 2 seasons. Theres no other 2 way player in the league at that age for that price in the league. He has playoff experience, can create his own shot, defends the perimeter, and can knock down open jumpers. The knicks were never gonna find all that in the draft with picks in the 20s. This was a masterful move.
How do you know they are going to be in the 20’s. Most of the picks are years out into the future. Are the Knicks still gonna be good then? What if they have a year riddled with injuries. The picks are unprotected
@@And.One.Hoops1 the knicks came one game away from the finals. We just upgraded our roster. We didnt didnt make this move to finish 7-8th. We're trying to make the finals, if we make the finals the next 3-4 seasons then this was totally worth it. Making the finals will put the picks in the 20s. This move also gives us insurance if OG gets hurt (if he comed back) or if he doesnt sign at all.
You were not 1 game away from the finals? You think you were getting through Boston easily? Please
It doesn't matter to the NY Knicks, if they waste their draft picks to get Mikal Bridges but the Knicks can regain their draft picks by trading Mitchell Robinson and/or Julius Randle.
No Problem! 👍🤔🧠
did someone say julius randle🤔that guy has 1 yr left on his contract (last is a player option). if you are gonna get picks back their from a title contender. and whos gonna trade 4 him anyway. nobody is gonna package 5 picks 4 robinson and randle. and the knicks ain`t gonna win anyway. (celtics, 76ers, bucks when healthy are all superior) i smell a 2nd rd exit - lets go knicks 51 and counting...
But they create a story to get full attention. Imagine 4 brothers in same team and all of them has hustle. Also other parts have hustle. Also Mikal's salary very cheap along two years. You have to pay something much for that kind move.
If the knicks win it all with this group, they aren’t going to care
A big IF lol
@Mr.Byrnes can NY even beat any team in the West IF they even make it to the finals?
If they win a chip in the next three years it will be worth it.
Agreed. This won’t move the needle at all.
We gon see!
I think it'll move the needle some, but not a championship
@@And.One.Hoops1 WE GON SEE!!
You are praying 🙏🏽 he doesn't move the needle..
Thinking this is an overypay is just foolish.
It is an overpay
Yep
@@BonjourMeAmigo I saw the five picks and it does look crazy
5 1st rd picks and a 2nd for someone whose never been an all star.... Seems like an overpay but could be wrong
How do you intend to beat the Celtics?😅
Boy, see how you just to talk stofhis
😂😂😂 I'm not a fan of both of the team that trade almost as bad as the Ben Simmons trade Brooklyn did why did New York Knicks give up so much for somebody that not even a top 40 NBA player maybe not top 50
Bulls can’t get 1 pick for Zach Lavine or even Caruso. Poor us. We truly are a 💩 organization. In the meantime teams are dishing 6 picks for random guys
L take
Explain
Overpay? Are you trolling or what? The NYK had like a zillion picks that they were NEVER going to use, especially with the coach they have who would not play the level of guys they would get for these picks. In fact, it was for this very reason they accumulated these picks. A 27 year old Bridges just coming into his prime, a perfect fit for the NYK culture-wise, the potential missing piece to not just a, but potentially multiple championships? I'll take that over a 35+ year old, looking at soon being washed (but still wants to get PAID) Paul George any day of the week. He'd be a better fit in Philly, especially after this just happened. Plus, those picks will probably be between 25 and 30 with as good as the NYK will be for the next several years, so big whoop. And good for the Nets as well. They were badly in need of a rebuild and this trade will help kickstart that.
Big ass paragraph trying to make it make sense lol knicks got fleeced mikal not a superstar idiots he a dam role player got dam facts
Knicks can’t even beat Indiana lol
The Knicks are essentially a championship or bust team now. If they don’t get a chip within the next 4 years (which I don’t think they will), this trade is a failure point, blank, period.
You bugging the fuk out. Winning the chip or not , this move will go down as one of the best the Knicks have ever made in their history. New York will respect the front office for going for it and competing now with the Villanova boys. This is like a fairytale movie and we will gain so much more new Knick fans this season.
These playaz are such a crap shoot now days so to get a proven nba player for some first round picks isn't as pricey as it used to be.
Knicks fans happy for what still can’t beat the Celtics 🐀🧹
Um yes we can lol
We were such a good team fully healthy and the fact that we added bridges which adds more scoring to the team and very good defense we could easily beat the Celtics
You being bitter for that Caruso trade 🤣
Please stop your talking you make it sound like if you think this something like a cartoon ,you talk about 4 years like if it is 8 hours scheff a lot of things can happen in 4 years
Goat
I have no idea what you just said
The Knicks had 11 first round picks. They gave up 5 ohhh no the sky is falling
People said the same about the Brunson signing 😂. Not too late to change your title my dude
They didn’t trade 5 first round picks for Brunson
no zion
Ok @andone.
Let me get this straight, it's okay for the Nets to stockpile picks and use them to upgrade their squad but a dumb overpay for the Knicks? Everyone knew you had to overpay for Mikal.. Why are you surprised?
You also have a crystal ball and know what will happen 5-7 yrs from now?
Bridges, isn't that good to move the needle? I bet if he went to another playoff team, you would have said the exact opposite.
I don’t have a crystal ball, that’s my point. No one knows what this team is going to look like 5-7 years from. MLE which is what makes this trade so risky
@@And.One.Hoops1 Play for the now, not 5-7 yrs from now… Knicks still have picks and the way Rose wheels and deals, he’ll prolly get those picks back some way between now and then… Knicks will be a 45+ win team for the next 3-4 yrs for sure….
Most of you people make it sound if you could do a better job if you feel that way maybe you all in the wrong business
This is the dumbest trade ever. As a team you have to draft to get better not trading your picks away for nothing
knicks want nova 2.0 too much; that was a king's ransom for brooklyn bridges
50 wins, #2 seed, 1 gm away from the ECF with a injured depleted squad. These Nova boys didn't win 2 national Championships for no reason.
The hate is real the Knicks kept all their players and gave them 4 unprotected picks and a pick that belongs to bucks so what about the bucks pick
The Knicks have all their picks in today’s draft and 5 picks in the next 3 drafts after today’s.
Remember they kept all the players on their team who are proven.
Outside of the Thunder who had more draft picks than the Knicks??
The Knicks would have beaten the Celtics if they was healthy this past season. So a move like this really makes them the best team in the East and possibly the league.
It’s goofy takes like this why I don’t subscribe to you content creators pages 😂
Tell us you didn’t watch the video without actually telling us you didn’t watch the video
You are not that bright...and don't know shit....bridge's was the only 1 that makes this trade acceptable and good.....u can't always be worrying about the future when you have the team we have...the time is now and the chemistry is part of the trade and these dudes are actually really good friends so its not a 1 and done the Knicks are set for the next 5 years that's part of trade 2....now u put all those things together and the trade was well worth it
Comcial how folks are saying the Knicks overpaid for Mikal when all those picks will be in the 20's
Excellent point!!
How do you know they are going to be in the 20’s 5-7 years from now?
The first couple will be in the 20s, but who knows for the later ones. Remember, when the Nets traded all those picks for KG, Pierce and Jason Terry, all those picks were supposed to end up being late round picks too.
Exactly
You don't know that for sure. Things change quickly in the NBA
So. Pat Riley wrote about how cliques on a basketball team is no good. And yet we have seen Brunson engineer getting all his college pals on the roster. The nova Knicks. Why is everyone so excited? What did he do that is of allstar level? What did he do with his opportunity in Brooklyn. Mediocrity. I see Randall getting traded because of iso, dribble dribble Brunson wants him gone. This team will never get out of the second round. I predict. Brunson will get thibbs fired GREAT, and have his dad coach. What is next, is Brunson wife gonna be the GM?