Luca Lampariello - Translation as a Tool to Learn Any Language
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- It is a common belief among language learners that one’s native tongue often gets in the way of learning a new language. Not so, says polyglot and language coach Luca Lampariello, who has consistently relied on his mother tongue as a valuable aid in helping him learn over a dozen languages. Over more than a decade of language learning and self-study, Luca has developed and perfected a learning method known as “bidirectional translation”, whereby the learner uses translation from L2 to L1 and back again as a powerful means of deducing the fundamental patterns of any language. Bidirectional translation has helped Luca and many of his students from all over the world find early and lasting success in their language learning endeavours, no matter the language. In this talk, Luca will walk you personally through his groundbreaking method so that you, too, can use translation to revolutionise your own language learning.
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You master what you practice. If you want to master *production* of language (writing and speaking), then you have to practice *production* (writing and speaking). This is the reason why practicing *production* of target language text from a given native language text (that is: "translating") makes you a master in writing and (if you read aloud or recite your translated text) speaking. As a side effect, it also makes you *understanding* the written and spoken language produced by other people.
This is also the reason why "comprehensible input" and "extensive reading" do *not* help you to develop these *production* skills. They just help you to develop your *understanding" of the spoken and written target language. This is the fundamental difference between the *active* and *passive* use of a language.
There is a certain overlap. You will obviously catch yourself using phrases that you acquired subconsciously from reading without quite knowing where you know those phrases from. That is not to say that you can't speed up this process by working on that vocabulary purposefully instead of passively absorbing it
Krashen has spent years on his theory of comprenhensible input, gave us a lot of evidence that his theory works every single time, and there are still people who doubt in his method! Wow, so annoying!
Comprehensive input and extensive reading will help you produce the language, but it has to be in conjunction with other methods. When I first started learning Spanish I had a mountain of input through reading and listening, and had a conversation with a native speaker online without practicing any output. Yes, it wasn’t perfect, but this was the basis for my output. Should it be the only way? No. I am practicing more output mow through translation and speaking, but input has to be the cornerstone of any language learning as this replicates how we learn languages, and also we need to have a clear understanding of the language in order to communicate with it well. No one method works on its own, we must combine them all together like a great recipe.
When his mouth speaks many languages beautifully but his hands speak only Italian.
I don't really know about that. His gestures seem pretty normal to me (?)
@@martinet1985 We know, please let us laugh and experience joy
I know foreigners who gesticulate much more
And it's beautiful
This might just be the most profound sounding phrase I have ever heard, that turns into something pretty stupid when you think about it too long
Luca, I did this methodology in the late 70's. it works!!! Not only in language learning, it works in studying subjects like history
The translation idea is interesting, and I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow, but I was really intrigued by his idea of speaking to an imaginary friend in the target language. I used to practice speaking to myself, saying simple phrases, while I was learning German, and now I do the same with Spanish. But I had never considered pretending like I was actually having a conversation with someone, going so far as to pretend to be on the phone! I'm glad I came across this talk. Hopefully I get a lot out of these two methods.
THERE'S NO PROBLEM IF YOU USE TRANSLATION TO LEARN ANOTHER LANGUAGE. SOME PEOPLE SAY IN CZcams TO LEARN ENGLISH FOR EXAMPLE THINK ONLY IN ENGLISH. BUT HOW CAN YOU THINK IN A LANGUAGE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW. I SUGGEST STUDENTS TO VISUALIZE THE NOUNS ADJECTIVES AND MOST VERBS THAT CAN BE VISUALIZE. FOR EXAMPLE EVERYONE CAN IMAGINE THE WORD TABLE THE VERB TO SLEEP AND SO FORTH. ...EVEN WHEN YOU SEE THESE WORDS IN BOTH LANGUAGES AND YOU SPEAK SENTENCES IN THE TARGET LANGUAGE THEN YOU CAN THINK EASIER IN THE TARGET LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY VISUALIZED THOUSANDS OF WORDS......LUCA IS TOTALLY ALRIGHT WITH HIS METHOD OF LEARNING LANGUAGE.
@@nicolasjimenez7694 OKAY THANKS FOR THE ADVICE BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW YOU CAN WRITE IN SMALLER LETTERS NEXT TIME. WAY MORE PLEASING TO THE EYE AND DOESN'T MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING WHILE YOU'RE SAYING IT.
Speaking to yourself definitely works--if nothing else, it allows you to practice constructing sentences while reacting to common situations, stress free.
I did it! I practiced your method! It was wonderful! You have made my day. I translated from the Greek Bible into English. Then I translated from Engligh into the Greek Bible. It works very well. You have to really pay attention to what you are doing, however. You are my favorite person, Luca!
But what kind Greek? Biblical Greek or current Greek? God bless you. :)
Oh Ive forgotten. Congratulations! :)
This might be just the metod for me. I want to learn Dangme and options are limited but we do have te Bible and recordings of Bible and so I might give it a go.
I do feel like learning vocabulary without translation, like Fluent Forever for example, can be fun and engaging in a sense. But I feel like, even with images, you're already translating in your mind. Each image automatically draws up verbal concepts in your native language that go with it. So translation automatically happens anyway. So why not take advantage of it consciously?
Personally, I do exercises with translation where I take a word or sentence in my target language and translate back and forth. I use the translate words in my native language to pull up the non-verbal concepts and feelings that go with that word or words. Then, with those concepts and feelings in mind, I speak out loud the word or words in my target language, consciously connecting the _feelings_ generated by those concepts to the new words.
See, I always think about how in my native language, after a lifetime of using my native language, the words and concepts they represent are so deeply intertwined that the sound of the words sound like the concepts that they represent - even if those sounds are arbitrary. I want to reach a point in my target language where the new sounds ALSO _feel_ like the concepts they represent.
The American school where the student are not allowed to speak a word of their mother tongue is The Middlebury Language School. All students that attend one of the schools signs a pledge stating that if they speak in their mother tongue; with the exception of say medical emergencies, they will be removed from the program and that they will not get a refund.
That being said, the MLS is one of the best nongovernmental programs in the world. The language learning pledge forces students to speak and think in the target language at all times, increasing the students processing speed.
www.middlebury.edu/ls
Did you read "The underground history of American Education" by John Taylor ?? How did you found out about this school???
@@nikolavanzettiteslasacco4991 It's not a secret. Anyone with internet access is bound to find it if they look for foreign language programs in the US.
@@nikolavanzettiteslasacco4991 I did very well in French class at University. My professor gave me the application after I scored well on a test and said he would write my letter of recommendation. I ending getting accepted to their french school; I don't remember my placement score, but I couldn't afford to go. Middlebury isn't cheap if you don't have some form of financial support. Sorry for the delayed reply.
@@SJMG I disagree with that statement, schools like middlebury get lost in the mix because there are many schools and institutes/private programs claiming to teach foreign languages. Very few are worth the time or money. I do agree that you can find it with a quick google search, but distinguishing good programs from bad isn't as easily done.
@@byronwilliams7977 it ok bro but have you read "John Taylor gatto" book's "weapons of mass instructions" or "The underground history of America education" yet??
wikihow is really useful for this, written tutorials translated in various languages
LMAO that's a good one actually. Plus the pictures are usually hilarious
You're a genius. Thanks for advice.
Damn that's a good tip, never thought of that
Luca is simply amazing. 👏🏻 Really inspiring.
So interesting! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Extremely informative talk!
I feel so connected. In english, spanish etc. amazing
Luca you are a genius. I like the energy and motivation here. your abilitys are awesome.
L1 Romanian different
L2 Italian levels
L3 English of
L4 Spanish course
L5 German and
L6 French still
L7 Russian learning
I love it, I agree with luca's ways. man, genius. Fluent and simple.
I’ll definitely be trying this
I use traslate to learn English, the last week I learned 30 news words to reading.
I loved how reassuring this was for me that I was using the right methods. I use similar methods. Quizlet flashcards automatically allow you translation in both languages, and i just started using Asimil, but I have used Pimsleur in the past which have you speaking to yourself as they ask you to say something in Spanish in response to an imaginary character. I hope for a decent level of fluency at my 2 year mark
I have listened to this talk 3 times now. I am very excited about your method. I can't wait to start this on ancient Greek! I am going to work from the Bible. That is easier for me. I don't understand how to use Assimile and Lingq. I think the Greek is going to work! Love you!
Greek or ancient Greek? I've been considering attempting ancient Greek, too 😁
I've just watched your video and I have to say that your presentation is very compelling.As usual you showed all of us your passion and your skills when it comes to talk about learning languages.I really appreciate your whole works and your site too.
Fascinante.
Bravo Luca
Very informative. I made 3 notes: buy and carry a notebook, use the 2-way translation method, and repeat every lesson 1 day later, then 3 days later. Where do I send the check? Many thanks. The whole lecture was interesting -- I'm sure I learned other things too.
Grande Luca, Saludos desde Lima-Perú
Hola, que tal. Soy peruano, también. Qué lengua estas aprendiendo, yo estoy mejorando inglés y la verdad que estoy yendo bien pude entender 90 % de la conferencia.
Saludos
It was bizarre, and rather rewarding to listen to this talk; I had stumbled across some of the same techniques in my own learning, but only after trying plenty of dead ends. I’d love to meet Luca and chat in detail about where he goes from this point in the learning process.
Luca is totally right in his explanations of learning a language with translations. There are many teachers that you must learn the target language but for most students that's very difficult. Luca has explain very clearly how to study any language with translations.. The student must practice, speak, write, use spaced repetition, talk to himself, and so on.
Caro Luca, hai un bel dire nel proporre agli altri il tuo metodo per imparare le lingue. Per ottenere non dico i tuoi risultati, ma la vera padronanza di una o due lingue straniere dopo i sei anni non sono di certo necessari solo i tuoi consigli, occorre anche avere una testa come la tua.
Comunque grazie per i tuoi suggerimenti e soprattutto complimenti per il lavoro fantastico che fai.
Valeu Lucão
Molto Bene Luca
Hi Luca
Wonderful talk, thank you!
Just one remark that occured to me listening to you and thinking about the translation approach - bidirectional translating makes you a better reader, more focussed!
The method that Luca introduced is fascinating, I would like to try it later, and I hope it can improve my language learning, thanks for your great sharing.
Did you?
marvelous. BT.
This was the most helpful video that I've seen in the way that I learn a language
I would say one of them, You Tube actually has a lots of contents very very well only it is depends of finding.
@@alfredojesusbejaranojarami9360 Yeah I know it does but this one shows the way that I learn good to know that it works
I’m going to try it! 🤓
Translation and earning money from the translation work very well for me in improving my English.
I am so happy, too. Now, I can understand 90% of this conference and before 2 years just 15 %.
Regards
Hi Luca! Thank you for sharing your methods. How do you repeat lessons: by doing both translations again or just by going through the notes?
When I'm translating back to L2 and I can't recall the words, should I refer to the original text or it's better to search in dictionnaries or something else?
If I make mistakes, should I start over the next day?
I love to translate ❤️ And I love Italian(s) ❤️
Did that dude asking a question really say "my Italian is cheaper than our GDP?"
Clever man. I tried this method to learn Spanish and I learned really quickly. Then I tried it with Chinese and it didn't seem to be effective.
haha lol
Probably because Chinese is difficult as hell
I think probably the system for Chinese is different from the other languages, and we have many Chinese characters
which are not connected with sound closely than the other language. Therefore you didn't know the spelling when you see a new character, not like the other languages.
but i do think this is a useful method. anyway, wish you could learn chinese very well. 加油!
there’re a colab video where he explains that, Asian languages are not compatible with this technique, i don’t know about Chinese but for japanese as well I could recommend a channel though
It's the same principle, but it's just more difficult since you can't read it. This video is probs more directed at scripts you can read
Great talk! At 26:08 there is a graphic, where can I find this document? Or can someone breakdown the schedule or share a link to where he has shared this,
Thank you
Have you find this graphic?
Thanks.
i'd give my left kidney to see this
no one found this yet??
@@Yalookin no need to do that, you can find this graphic on his website in his lessons.
@@user-jj2up5sg8i Could you share a link?
who else checked if their video switched to half-speed at 32:10 XD no hate
lmao
@@remybuitenhuis2433 AHAAHAHAHAHA
Ahahaha I can't
I increased the speed, but it still sounded pretty slow.
I paused the video intentionally exactly when he was talking, just wanna check whether someone have the same issue as me or not. HAHAHHAAHAHHAHA… He has setup his mouth -2XX speed
It's very interesting that it's highly discouraged as an ESL teacher because you can't 'know' every language, and it's supposed to disrupt the immersion process: but, I really like using translation as it's interesting.
I can see clearly now.
The rain has gone...
carpe diem i can see all obstacles in my way
I'm totally bought into immersion and comprehensible input methods. But many teachers in this paradigm make the learner paranoid, make me paranoid about crossing my native tongue with the target language.
Is it really true that this is a myth?
I've developed an inner voice that says "that's too much translation! You'll never achieve intuitive fluency and acquire a good accent this way! Just immerse and you'll intuitively get it eventually!"
HELP!
How much have you learnt from only immersion
I'm trying this method for learning english
So how's it going? Is your English getting better?
Update?
There are as many language learning methods as there are successful self taught language learners. We borrow techniques from each other and modify them as needed to serve our purposes and because we are all different and need somewhat different methods, each learner ends up with a personal and customized language learning method. That result cannot be duplicated by classes or apps. It also accounts for the success that independent language learners achieve which is remarkable. Another point to be made is that some polyglots have a talent for learning languages and that talant cannot be transferred to others via learning methods. So I think it is important to realize that using the methods that your favorite polyglot uses is not going to turn you into a talented language learner. Talent cannot be learned, developed, or transferred. Either you have it or you don’t. On the other hand, it is not necessary to have language learning talent in order to learn another language. It just takes you longer to learn that language compared to the time it takes a talented person, and you might end up learning four or five languages well, over a lifetime, rather than fifteen or twenty.
I think that talent has nothing to do with learning languages , it is all about time spent with the target language, using good methods, and the ability to notice what's going on in the language . Specialist recommends 2000 to 3000 hours to get comfortable , decent level of a language of course it depends on a number of factors ,including first and formost the distance between your mother tongue and your target one, people that you hang out or chat with in the language, the subjects that you address ....
Whoever claims not to have a talent or not gifted to learn a language is just making excuses.
You have talent, yes, but I have discipline and I won't finish until I catch up with you and then surpass you!
Luca or anybody , any suggestions where we may find the bible. it is the most translated book and for under resourced languages it seems to be the only solution as even Google Translate is not good.
i hope the suggestion will be editable to help copy paste the bible text in order to here the google translate audio.
thank you in advance to help use translation as a tool to learn ANY language.
I'm currently at a B2 level in Spanish. I was thinking of using your translation method to learn French, but instead of using my native tongue (English) to translate, I would use Spanish. I thought this would be a good way to practice French while keeping up with my Spanish. What are your thoughts?
this is how I learn languages...it's working so well. English is my third language actually and I'm learning German (5th language) from English. it's awesome.
42:57 gosh what a moment
Jump to 9:00 if you’re impatient
10.20'de akp'nin logosu görünüyor :D
@ 19:11 he's flipping the audience off. lol
This method sounds insanely time-consuming. I mean, even if you have reasonably good command of the language, you will still have to look up a ton of words in the dictionary.
@Al 72 I agree. This method could be useful to an extent, but requires way too much time. Plus you will not be able to hone your speaking skills at all and those are just as crucial as writing and reading are.
P.S. I guess I should have just learnt German at school while I had the opportunity. It unfortunately seems too late now.
@Enrico Amatori I still use the dictionary, sure, no need to be sarcastic. But translation of these chunks of text may require so much looking into dictionaries, that it will be both time-consuming and simply not worth it.
14:20 You say that you don't use a dictionary. How do you translate then?
He actually said that you don’t use a dictionary immediately. Using the inferences from your mother younger or L1 first. Get your mental juices flowing to see how much you can figure out. Then obviously if you want a more concrete understanding get a dictionary. I hope that helps 😁
@@95ladyc I use an app to translate. But there are bidirectionaly translated books. One page one language. The other page the same content on the other.
how many languages does he know ?
@@nataliecf9007 His German is amazing as well. On point!
It's not clear for me what you actually have to do. Take a billingual lesson (e.g. Assimil). You read it in both languages. Then you take the first sentence in L2, cover the translation, and try to write it in L1. What do you do if you don't remember the words? You uncover and look the original translation, so you finally end up copying... So, you hope next time you will recall better? Translating from L1 to L2 seems harder. The method sounds good, but the example he gave (his conversation with Joanna in Italian-English) lacks in terms of explanation. I'll try to develop my answer to this problem, but it would be nice to better know his way.
Yes .... i totally agree. Maybe I'm missing something too.
The first time is simply reading for comprehension. You read both versions to understand what L2 is saying. Your goal is to understand the message. Your next interaction with it is to translate that message into your own words in L1 (I think the implication is that you only look at the version in your target language, then translate it - this should make it more personal and also a little bit easier to convey the idea. Lastly, you use your version in L1 to translate into L2. The texts should be at a level where you don't need to check too often, but often enough that you will notice errors if you compare grammar and maybe vocabulary. I'm no expert with this, but I think the answer to this is to start working with simpler ideas so you don't need to copy. That may be frustrating, but it's good to get comfortable with the essentials. I don't think this is a good method to start from 0, but decent once you can make basic sentences. (Understand > Own words, own language > own words, new language) Let me know if you need more.
@@CJ_Walks Thanks a lot for your comment. As you say, I think that the key is to work with easier sentences than the ones in your current level, so it's not a method to start learning from scratch. I have been studying German for some time and now I'm in a stage I feel I can give this method a try. Saludos y gracias!
I'm sure it's effective, but his speech wasn't very convincing. Maybe he should've practiced a little more to make it easier to understand. I don't get what he's talking about.
Can we say about your age please?
First of all, what you were probably meaning to say is if we could TALK about his age. For another thing, what you should focus on is the content of his speech, and whether his concepts and tips seem sensible to you. What does it bother you that the guy might be younger than you? His perfect English accent speaks for itself.
What is the difference with the Goldlist method??
GM is almost identical, it's a spaced-time repetition based on recall, except you only work with the words or phrases you didn't remember.
you don’t know Middlebury? I’m surprised, I for someone who is in the language teaching business. Courses are 8 weeks, you live in the school camp, you take a pledge to only use the language you are learning (not just speak) and if you break your pledge you will be expelled (after one warning). it costs like $15k though.
Ok
How can you say it without to prove info of your friend. Alas!
This is more for adults, not for kids and babies.
What does he use for translation, which format ???
They may have photographic memories
But why babies can learn language with out translation
At what level? A C2 level?
they learn words withing context.for example apple.they see it they notice the context then day by day boost the vocabulary
Babies are born without any language to translate into. They don't already have a first language yet to overcome or fall back on.
Tajare
Isn't this method essentially what Glossika does for a language learner?
Isn't it the way kings used in medieval times to learn a language?
Yes, my servant, you are saying true 😂
@@yusufs.3797 Ahahahahahahaha
In Europe it is common to for children to start learning one or two foreign languages in their early school years and continue to learn those languages up through graduation from high school. Consequently for europeans to be fluent in two or three languages is simply no big deal. Here in the U.S. we teach children english in the early grades. Then we teach them english in high school. Then when they go to college they are required to take, yup, you guessed it, some more english classes. Why don’t our children learn more than one language in school? Because it would mean requiring fewer english classes and that would require fewer english teachers and good heavens we cannot let happen! The teahers union would fight that with a vengence!
Woah, you're going a bit too far. I'm from Poland and most people here start learning English at 7 y.o. and second language (usually German, Russian, French or Spanish) at 13 y.o. Sometimes people change their second foreign language in high school. The results? Usually most people know English very well (someone who's trying to learn has to reach at least B1 level, but a lot of people end with B2 or higher), but also many of them can't speak the second foreign language at all. For example, I took German classes in middle school and I changed it to Russian in high school. When I returned to learning German this year (after 4 years), I felt almost as if I was learning from the beginning - I remembered only some particular things like modals, but I had to learn from the scratch almost everything about basics like using cases. And since my university doesn't require me to learn a language (I have to pass an exam, but I can do it in English), if I didn't want to learn languages by myself, I wouldn't know any foreign language besides English. Usually if someone speaks anything more than English, it is either because they were really interested in it or because they had to take classes of it at the university (where there's different approach to language learning than at school and you can choose what you really are interested in, not only one of two languages your school has in offer).
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At 5:35 did I here “ has to has”? This is uncommon for a language master like Luca.
Romell Mazon. It’s not uncommon for even native speakers like myself to fumble around when speaking, especially when they’re focusing on multiple languages.
He just flubbed his words a little. Even a native speaker does stuff like that. I sure have, anyway.
As a non native English speaker, even i was taken aback when i heard that . But at the end of the day Luca is not English native, so he could afford to make such mistakes :D
5.38 not agree, bilingual material invites your mind to use easiest way to think and you can guess is not the language you trying to lean.
我最不喜歡的方面是這些發表會雖然應該是表達給通曉多種語言的人的，還大多數都用英文。
this is for crazy people
This methos id good for introverts i think. Checked on me)
@@user-fd1lw3lv1v I don't like this method. It doesn't provide any fun to me...
@@yusufs.3797
that's your opinion, though.
He is really crazy! He can speaks a lot of languages with a wonderful accent and vocabulary
He is a man of many words, but few ideas.