Avoiding Big Mistakes in Defending the Bible: Interview with Dr. Peter Gurry
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- Well-meaning apologist have made some big mistakes when defending the reliability of the New Testament. I interview Dr. Peter Gurry, author of Myths and Mistakes in New Testament Textual Criticism, to help correct these mistakes. Join us and ask your toughest questions about the reliability of the New Testament.
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This is an extremely helpful discussion. I began by listening because I am a former student of Josh Mcdowell, about 1973, and wanted to listen to his son. i am sure Josh is proud of him.
That's amazing. How delightful that must be! Jesus is proud of Dr. Sean, so I know his earthly father is proud.
It's a fathers love. Josh is an entertainer from what I see here.
@@tralfazruk1..Are you a friend of Christ?
Also, Sean has a doctorate. What academic accolades do you pocess?
@@terryhuffaker3615 What leads you to pursue that line of Questioning.
As a person who is not "religious" per se I am a student of history and theology. I am so impressed with this particular video for being candid and honest. There is a practical way to defend your religion. If you allow skepticism to deter you from having a belief in something then you haven't studied your beliefs from an objective view and you are holding onto a hope that others have done the work for you.
Great comment, I have started my journey
Amen, as a former agnostic who became a Christian by trying to prove the Bible wrong; I never expected 100% absolute certainty. If I were to apply ABSOLUTE certainty, then by the incompleteness theorems I wouldn't be able to know how much us 1+1 (also continuum hypothesis and much else).
I was shocked to find the Bible to be closer to certainty than anything else I have ever read; including math books. Example, the imaginary number, i, is NOT the square root of negative one no matter how many math books get THAT wrong.
I have read Koran, some upanishads, veda, all Ramayana, some tripitaka, pseudopigraphy, and much else both ancient and modern. Nothing, NOTHING, I have ever found has come as close to 100% as the Bible
I agree. I am a former atheist who does a lot of apologetics and I get so frustrated when Christians overstate the case
I want to say that as a fan of the great Dan Wallace I was thrilled to learn of Dr. Gurry and his work. When he said that Dr. Wallace was his mentor I have gone back and watched this a second time and man I just love it. I will be following Dr. Gurry til I die now. Thank you Sean!
And afterwards hopefully.
I love Dan wallace. I'm looking forward to hear more from Professor gurry
Great, well informed, clearly presented with a visible portion of Christian humility. Good level of scholarship and yet, presented in a simple understandable way. Thank you!
Thank you very much brother Sean and Peter for this insightful episode. It's such a blessing to see honesty and transparency. Skeptics will be helped a lot to acknowledge intellectual honesty in the Christian community.
Thnks Dr. Sean and Dr. Gurry
Humility is on display and is the key to our walk with God. Thank you so much for this honest look at this issue and the truth of the gospels. God bless you both!
Amazingly important, dear brothers/Drs. Thank you.
May the good LORD bless you and keep you strong
Thanks guys. Very Intelligent and yet practical. You are tops at communicating.
New Generation Dr Peter Gentry - so inspiring!
Thank you, im so enjoying this conversation.
Hallelujah! Thank you God and bless these Guys and their family and bless them in Jesus name Amen!
Great stuff and I will be ordering that book. Thanks!
I have to stop binge watching these author interviews. I just found your CZcams channel yesterday. I have already bought every book of the 3 interviews I've watched. 🤣
This is an awesome resource.
Me as well. But can't go wrong building a library
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🤣🤣🤣👏👍🙏❤❤ The Body of Christ should prepare to give answers. So , well done!
I am a year late watching this… but I am LOVING IT! And I am loving Peter Gurry! Buying his book today!
yep, buy the book, most important part.
Super interesting guys. Keep wielding the sword of truth. Peace 🙏✝️☦️🙏
I watch a LOT of youtube video's, rarely do I NOT find myself alt-tabbing around to other open windows on my computer. This video had my full attention! Loved it, thanks!!
I love Dr. Gurry's statement at 19:00 about looking at the long term when we make claims. We can't possibly know when someone is going to be remembering what we said in the future. Really the issue is: We are trying to convince them of the truth--how can we think it's a good idea to exaggerate or embellish the truth?
This is very informative and encouraging. Thank you
Great conversation. Loved it..
A fantastic, solid input. Really grateful. Thank you.
I thought I was just gonna listen for a few minutes. I absolutely love this. Thank you so much for posting it
Thanks to both of you. Good info and this has strengthened my confidence in God's word.
you need gods word strengthened? i never needed my atheism strengthened. what is it about religion that needs some guy to coach you that it's still true? i never needed an apologist to reassure me my son is real. you need someone to keep saying "god is real, just keep the faith"? odd.
Fantastic interview! Wonderful information! Thank you!
This was so refreshing and insightful. Thank you, Dr. Gurry! Great interview, Dr. McDowell.
You bet. I’ve got another interview with him releasing soon!
@@SeanMcDowell Oh, fantastic. I'll be sure to tune in. I so appreciate the excellent scholarship on this channel and your approach to both working through important concepts and issues and conducting interviews and debates.
Peek ah......boo....
Cute little itty bitty GRASSHOPPER. A mature Christian will reason God repays Hate with Hate, A Sean Hate isn't=to B Bob Non-hate, hence, is Satan the Father of hate little lady bug? Yes...is God the Father of non-hate? Yes....
So God LOVES NON-HATE and judges unjust hate with hate.
Sean A hate is both good and bad = Bob B non-hate is good and hate evil.
One of us is a liar BUTTHOLE, A=B is impossible, subjective reasoning is a damnable offence. Any man with a double CONTRARY MIND need not think he will get anything from God. Repent Sean and apologize, I'm sorry for mocking you like Elijah, did your GUN GOD DRINK SOME NIGHT QUILL and hasn't awakened to save your NON-PACIFIST DEVIL ASS? See you on the 16th, we can eat box of donuts and drink coffee like the NON-PEACE OFFICER cops.
Sean A cops that do violence are peace officers = Bob B cops that do violence are NON-PEACE OFFICERS. A=B, boneheaded fool.
I am the peace officer because I am a pacifist and do peace, your a NON-PRINCE of peace officer because your a non-pacifist that does violence and kills. Have fun in hell with your son Sean, you have lead him astray, and your wife that you are one flesh. Pride dude, swallow your pride PhD dude. Hozier. ❤🤩🤣
@Carly Friesen yes I'd love to see him for an update as this video is 2yrs old.🙆♂️
Thanks so much. "Faithful are the wounds of a friend". Thanks. So useful and gracious. Yes 👍👍👍 Keep going. Don't ever stop. God bless you in the Name above all names.
This is superb!!! I will get Dr Gurry's book. Thanks Sean, great interview, very informative
tes, buying the book is the whole purpose of this video, don't waste it.
Very informative! I listen to Chuck Missler often and feel like I have learned much from his teachings! I realize I should also look to see how our resources are founded. It is good to know people who love our Savior try to be sure God’s word is correctly told to His world!
....it's why I like to listen to Amir Tsafarti and the Behold Israel channel.
@@1969cmp I too love to listen to Amir Tsarfati. I recently started following him on the Telegram app (where he went when he left Twitter) as he posts news from Israel multiple times a day. As a former major in Israel’s defense or intel force, he has so much insight into the significance into what’s going on. I don’t agree with his Scriptural interpretation of the timing of the Rapture of the Church (though I’d love to believe it will happen sooner rather than later!) but I love his teaching in so many ways. And I have come to love him dearly as a brother in Christ. I also love his humor and his desire to encourage the body of Christ. He always says he’s not a prophet but from a non-profit organization. Haha. I appreciate his emphasis on staying strong, expecting persecution in this world, and keeping on mission by sharing the gospel. I got to meet him in Minneapolis a couple years ago at a prophecy conference.
That was amazing. Definitely going to buy the book as well as follow and seek out Dr. Peter Gurry’s work. Great stuff.
yep, don't forget to buy the book, it's what god would have done, buy the book.
Very inspiring, even for a layman like me. Great work, thank you.
Absolutely fascinating, so enjoying this!
Very helpful information will be checking out his book.
Thank you for the contributions you have both made in verifying the historical accuracy of the Holy Scriptures.
I am an amateur linguist, and definitely not well educated. However the things that I have learned concerning translation and philosophy are concerning to me.
As an American English speaker by culture I began to witness vast differences in language between various geological regions in my own native language. As a farm boy my own dialect often completely differed tremendously from that of the streets of San Francisco or Los Angeles.
After learning my second language the variances began to appear to be more the norm than a mere incidental occurrence.
And a third language verified that hunch.
In checking the various manuscripts your guest commented that the writings of the Church Father's were often used to verify the veracity of some text which seemed somewhat vague. This is good, and completely appropriate.
I once believed that Luther was a pretty superstitious old Monk because of his insistence that the Holy Eucharist was indeed the very Blood and Body of Christ. Then the Baptist church to which I belonged asked me to leave due to my objections to the direction that that congregation chose to follow. I live in Mormon country and the only available option to me was the conservative Lutherans or ultra liberal "Evangelical" sects.
I studied the subject over carefully. I read the words of St Ignatius, and several others.
My question is this.
Why in the world are you guys still protestant.
I have no idea how anyone can be so well educated and remain protestant. I converted IMMEDIATELY to Eastern Orthodoxy. And I've seen several people go over to Roman Catholicism. For good reason.
But remaining protestant seems beyond understanding.
I’m enjoying this so much more than I expected! Thank you for uploading this! God bless you both!
Thank you so much for this discussion. Gb
How much do I appreciate your work !
Fascinating thankyou!
Very helpful. Thank you.
God bless you both.❤😊
I know I'm very late to the party, but this was a great interview. Very helpful, interesting and informative. Thank you so much, guys.
Thank you, boys. Very interesting.
Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism.
I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin,
but not the Greek so out it goes.
Good will towards men
Doxology in Matthew
Without cause
God manifest in the flesh
Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin,
so out they go
The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek
and Latin so out they go.
Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8
some throw out.
If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem,
what would you see as a problem?
This is great! I learned so much and would love to see a follow-up 👍
I love this. Please bring him back and more like him. TY.
His colleague is coming on Monday to discuss the Dead Sea scrolls. Don’t miss it!
@@SeanMcDowell has it dawned on you that your entire religion is based on one man having a hallucination? paul didn't even claim to see jesus, just an apparition, and that;s it - christianity is based on one bloke story telling.
this is so helpful. answers a lot of questions for me.
So now you can tell what the Nephilim were? And since we are at it, why does god like to talk through an ass? :-)
Thank you, Peter Gurry for your HONESTY and putting TRUTH above dogma. Great conversation, I ordered the book.
excellent and enjoyable talk!
This is brilliant,it really is great stuff.
Great interview and information. God bless
So glad it was helpful!
Great stuff. Have been in ministry for 30 years. Very helpful. I have been inaccurate in some quotes. Love having this info. Thanks
Glad to hear!
This was an excellent discussion.
Very interesting discussion
This guy is the sheldon cooper of new testament textual criticism.
This is so awesome 🙏 so encouraging and insightful 🤗
This has been by far the most informative & engaging tutorial I have ever experienced. Dr. Gurry is a humble man who is exceedingly knowledgeable and genuinely desirous
i've been atheist all my 68 years, never needed a book or a tutorial, if you need coaching maybe religion isn't for you. if god can't stand up for himself he's not much of a god.
@@HarryNicNicholas - God needs nothing - He “stands for Himself” and always has.
You are blessed to be in a position to know God and to familiarize yourself with His power, sovereignty, mercy, and grace. I encourage you to do so that you might bolster your position.
@@HarryNicNicholas 13:30
Excellent content. Thanks.
I am learning so much
Amazing thank you, God bless you 1000 likes
This was helpful to me. Thank you for taking the time to clear up some things. I do still have some questions, but many of my questions were answered.
Wonderful! The book may help...
@@SeanMcDowell I have bought the Kindle edition and am going through it.
@@provocationofgrace yes, you must buy the book, it will really please god. we don't want sean going hungry like cameron bertuzzi.
@@HarryNicNicholas , oh Cameron, that one had to hurt...
Good stuff, Peter!
36:11 love this
Good stuff. Thanks brothers. Shake it out as hard as you can. The Bible, if it's the word of God, can handle it.
...IF?
@@raygsbrelcik5578 I believe he means the "if" as _ad argumentum_ . After all, being named for Duns Scotus, he would want us to take the fewest number of entities.
@@WhereWhatHuh And I do not Mix the "Metaphysical" with
the ( Biblical) Spiritual.
Great work guys!
Whoa. This kid is toooo smart! I love it!
Very good that we update data, as credibility will suffer if the things we claim do no stand against scientific review.
...I know a couple of ministries who are strong on this. And are very cautious about any 'new' discoveries that are favourable but will test and wait to make sure that they are solid.
Very cool discussion
Really interesting stuff guys. I’ve been asking questions about the reliability of the Bible for years and as you may expect, it’s hard to tell when I’m getting good answers. This was really helpful, thanks!
So glad to hear!
When I was at the Dead Sea scrolls museum I was staring at a copy of Isaiah that dates back to about 120 B.C which is nearly 100% complete.
Our guide said to me 'I can read that and I can read your English Bible. Trust it. Your English Bible say what mine says'
The importance of a copy of Isaiah dating well before Jesus cannot be underestimated as Isaiah is rich on Messianic prophecy and that He would suffer in His first advent.
Cheers and blessings, ex-atheist. 1993.
What did Luther use?
@@1969cmp The Qumran copy of Isaiah is indeed very important, for exactly the reason you say. Also, note that Jesus endorsed the Bible as it existed in His day. So that adds to the authority of the Qumran Isaiah.
This is a great discussion and brings out important points. I think many people do not understand the nature of language, the nature of documents, and the nature of translation. Having grown up in a family where my dad was a Bible scholar who taught Old Testament Hebrew and New Testament Greek...and developed methods for teaching Koine Greek as part of his PhD, and add to this that I worked with QS9000 document controls, and I have been a professional translator English to Spanish... I do believe we need grasp the nature, dynamics and issues which surface in language. Starting with the fact that language becomes less complex over time. Look at English, Spanish and Koine Greek vs. Modern Greek. This is crucial to understand. Second, language is dynamic not static. I have grown up around language and the Bible all my life. For starters, language itself is a tool which we use to take thoughts and communicate those thoughts via words or written symbols designed to transfer those thoughts to others in a way that is understandable (keeping in mind: if they are true, then they correspond to reality; and then when we take each individual thought which passes the test for truth and we add other thoughts which are true then we should provide or receive a coherent and truthful message which can be tested and shown to reasonably correspond to reality). This is a deep and vast subject but one that must be taken into account when you look at differences in translation. Third, and by no means the last point, is that every translation looses to lessor or greater degrees in the translation process. There are words and phrases which cannot be translated directly or even completely from one language to another. This opens up the need for the scribe and/or translator, when operating with integrity, to find the best way and most complete way to communicate the idea from one author within one language to another author in another language, to use care in how they work to reproduce the end product. This dynamic is present even in the copies of Scripture as the authors were Hebrews thinking in Hebrew and in the applicable cases communicating to a broader audience via Koine Greek which was the language of commerce at the time and was a medium which allowed a broad audience to understand the gospel. Evidence shows, as is mentioned in this discussion, that scribes at times made attempts to bring clarity to the text and this creates a difference. Is it material? each case has to be analyzed on its own. The accuracy of Scripture and its message is unparalleled even with the variances. Then there are grammar dynamics: there are numerous cases where the authors broke the rules of Koine Greek grammar yet the grammar would have been perfect in Hebrew. There are times Jesus broke the rules of grammar, for instance when he refers to the coming of the Holy Spirit, which has a neuter gender (which would have required the pronoun "it" yet Jesus clearly referred to the Holy Spirit with the masculine personal pronoun "He", dispelling any doubt as to His personhood. Then there are the words in Hebrew and Greek which have multiple yet related meanings which pose challenges to translation because the translator has to pick one word but in reality a word can be translated with two or even three words, example: In the Lord's prayer Jesus includes the phrase "lead us not into temptation..." that word temptation in Koine Greek can be translated trials, temptation, and/or tribulation. Therefore depending on the Bible you are reading you could see the word trials, the word temptation, or the word tribulation. All three are valid and all three are understood in Koine Greek. Or take the word Shem in Hebrew which is translated Name. It carries the additional context of Authority and Character. So when Jesus says to ask and pray in His name...he is saying we are to use His name but more so... cause you can't just throw around His name and get what you want... He is stating that you are to pray and ask in His name, within His authority and according to His character. So these are few dynamics which come into play in the text, the translations and the understanding. all of which must be taken into account. Food for thought which I hope helps bring clarity and understanding.
tl;dr might want to learn that the internet doesn't like whole friggin bookloads of text.
@@HarryNicNicholas yes. the use of adjectives, like reading, is optional.
@@MichaelBrown-ds5ll I'm glad you wrote this because most people will have a simplistic view of the bible, and when someone attacks the bible, they easily give up their faith or never believe at all. they don't understand that the bible can be defended, but not with just a simple answer. the fact that people don't want to read a bunch of texts just proves how lazy they are.
You're wrong about Jesus applying masculine pronouns to the Holy Spirit.
Nowhere in Scripture does either the Hebrew text or the Greek text apply a masculine or feminine pronoun to the Holy Spirit. Only neuter pronouns are ever used. Spirit in both languages is neuter and the biblical writers always followed standard grammatical rules when referring to spirit.
In the NT, the only time the Greek text uses a masculine pronoun in connection with the Spirit is when referring to the paraclete - but only because paraclete is itself a grammatically masculine noun.
For a detailed discussion, see _Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit,_ by Greek scholar Daniel Wallace. It's available online in PDF format at no charge
Fabulous discussion!
Please give your dad my best. I had ice cream with him at Myrtle Beach in 1989. I was on staff with Student Venture in Tampa, Florida.
a really helpful discussion - thanks guys. Really pleased to hear ETDAV is holding up well and met another great author in Peter.
Very very informative.
Another excellent scholar is Ken Johnson. He digs deep into the early Church fathers from the second century and what they believe and were taught.
Staying up to date with new findings is hard.
I think the question of manuscript numbers is really a question of how classical historians treat their sources as compared to NT critics. We have plethora of material available for NT reconstruction that most classical scholars could only dream of and yet it is still not enough for the likes of Bart Ehrman and company.
Actually, you're about how classical historians treat their sources as compared to NT critics. The amount of copies of manuscripts have no bearing on whether or not it's true. Historians don't rely on the numbers of copies. If there were a billion copies each of the canonical gospels but the originals were all works of fiction, then all four billion copies are all nothing but works of fiction.
You misunderstood what the important part is when it comes to how historians treat the amount of sources that exist, which is, the amount of independent sources that we have. For example, the Gospel of Mark is only one source when it comes to the truth regarding the existence, life and death of Jesus. The amount of copies of that gospel only comes into play when it's being determined whether or not it's actually a reliable source ie, it's accuracy, consistency etc. Both of those are one of, if not the biggest issue, in regards to the Gospel of Mark. The later versions of Mark is not consistent with the older version. Although there's less copies of it, the earliest manuscript that we have of Mark does not contain the ending that is found in the later versions.
The Spirit is supportive of the Truth always. Data + the Spirit is what we need. The better we get at the Truth the more the Spirit reveals.
Brilliant points made about scribes correcting prior errors as well as making new ones like the enzymes that look for copying errors on DNA or how the Romans built straight roads by lining up staffs looking back and ahead
greetings from El Salvador.
Dr Gurry, an intellectual and fun Christian.
Just a heads up, your link in the description to Talbots, under Study With Me, isn’t valid. You just get a 404 File Not found error.
We all guess! To “own - making mistakes” and say: “I was wrong!” or at least say: “ I can be wrong!”, is the same as saying “I don’t know”, and that is being “agnostic” about it.
This is what real Bible studying is about 🤓 Textual criticism at it's best for the nerdiest of the nerds 😊 Kudos to you both!!!
thank goodness someone can make up a meaning for those really obscure ramblings that no one in their right mind can interpret, what would christians do without someone claiming to be an expert telling them what passages mean.
@@HarryNicNicholas well I guess the entire discipline of Literature is out of the window then.
Textual Criticism is a tool used in classics, medieval literature, history and archaeology.
What it doesn't do is explain meaning, that's where philosophy and its big brother Theology are for.
Even then it's for highlighting the deeper meanings and patterns within the text, a five year old can draw the basic meaning in most cases.
If you have a child, perhaps you could get them to take you through it?
Fascinating. I am a skeptic but I do love Bible history.
There's great hope for a "skeptic who loves Bible history." Do you have Diarmaid McCulloch's books. I recommend him, especially "the Reformation." it's not really "Bible" history, but it's the ugly history of the people who today are defending the Bible.
@@carlosreira413 I appreciate the suggestion. It's a fascinating topic for sure. Thank you😁
@@carlosreira413 I could have just as easily said "I love historical fiction" but I was trying to be polite. Lol. I think we could use a little more kindness and humility in this debate. Seeing as how, it's likely to never end. Not in my lifetime anyway. We can however,, with a bit of effort, be civil toward one another.
@@ddavidjeremy Thank you for that sentiment, David. I couldn't agree more, though I don't always live up to it myself. It's so easy to get overly emotional. For something to be true, it has to stand up to scrutiny, so I welcome that for myself and for my beliefs. I would put forth this thesis--that the Christian faith is based on factual history or it is nothing. No better than Islam, certainly. It may be better as a work of art as a whole, but that's a matter of opinion, and I like to say "you can't judge Islam by the Alhambra."
I was one of those who made the mistake of repeating that the highpriest wore a rope to enter the Holie of Holies with no credible evidence. Great video! 👍
If it makes you feel any better, me too!
Any thoughts on the variant in John 14:17c "He lives with you and will be in you" or can you unpack the value of variants?
James M. Hamilton did his dissertation on this variant back in 2003, at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
In short, the immediate context -- and the whole chapter -- points forward to the future. The theology of the advent of the Holy Spirit is a decidedly future event. This, the future tense is most like authentic.
Moreover, if the present tense estin ("he is") were the original, then you'd expect to find manuscripts which are corrected to read in the present tense, when they originally were in the future tense ... but those don't exist.
The reason for the discrepancy is that there are a few early & significant manuscripts (p66 B D W 1) which have estin ("he is") instead of estai ("he will be").
Bottom line: probably a copyist error.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Thanks.
Is there a book u can advise to understand scriptural text,like names ,just the basics basicly
You can use a concordance such as Strong’s
Bravo!
Thank you for introducing us to this outstanding scholar!! I loved the interview and will be following his work!
I've only just seen this (14 Apr 21) Whilst I appreciate and applaud the honesty, I have come away very conflicted and emotionally churned up. I am nearly 70 and have been a Christian for 47 years. Until very recently I was totally confident and unshakable in my view that the bible is in its entirity is the word of God and that God himself has preserved it so that we can have confidence in it. This conversation and other recent information has disturbed my peace. When I now hear the allegations and taunts of Muslim apologists about biblical errancy my mouth will be stopped. I think it will take some time to come to terms with this. Help!
I remember reading somewhere that there used to be several versions of the Quran, but then a leader (I don’t remember the name) had the variants destroyed so that now there is only one version. I’m not sure if this is relevant to the Muslim apologists’ claims, and I can’t cite a good source. Either way, it is good that you are becoming more thoughtful about how to respond to others and not claiming too much.
The Bible is accurate and preserved. Persons are generally prepared to promote themselves, their channels and sell their books.
They claim a lot of things but have no understanding of the Bible so don't worry.
Take a look at Nabeel Qureshi’s book No God but One. It compares how the Quran was compiled to how the Bible was.
@@nicolepettit5120 that’s actually a big misconception. Basically Uthman, the thirst caliph, ordered for copies of the Quran to be burned, yes. Ancient arabic had no written vowels so as Islam expanded among people not native to that language they began inserting wrong vowels thus obviously changing the meaning of a few stuffs. But since there were people who used to be with the prophet (pbuh) who were still alive, and one of his wives was also alive (and remember the Quran has always been memorized from the first time it was revealed to the prophet pbuh to now) well it was easy to clear everything up. So to avoid future misconceptions all previous copies were burned.
Does it make sense to you now?
What about the mistakes you make about "space? and "gravity"?
Man , this was brilliant, I learned soo much I went backwards, the more you know the less you know.
I am so jealous of this young man and astounded at his ability to absorb Koine Greek at all, let alone at such a young age!! I have attempted Greek twice now and had to drop it because of outside issues and the anxiety causing health problems. I am now attempting to find an online accredited program to see if a different type of study would work better. I just can't absorb all the details of Greek.
You CAN. But you have to SIMPLIFY. DIVIDE GREEK INTO 2 WORLDS:1) WORLD OF THE NOUN AND 2) WORLD OF THE VERB. THE WORLD OF THE NOUN INCLUDES ALL THAT IS NOUN LIKE. THE WORLD OF THE VERB INCLUDES VERBALS, WORDS LIKE VERBS. NOUN LIKE WORDS ALL HAVE CASES. VERBS HAVE TENSES. GRK VERBS ARE DIVIDED INTO FUTURE, PRESENT AND PAST TENSES. PRETERITE TENSES ARE AORIST, IMPERFECT AND PERFECT. THE SUBSTANTIVE NOUN CASES ARE NGDA AND V: NOMINATIVE,GENITIVE,DATIVE, ACCUSATIVE AND VOCATIVE. THIS IS AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION BUT GIVES YOU THE BIRDS EYE VIEW OF THE SYSTEM
Ken Johnson has great work on writing's and early church fathers.
....yeah, Ken is really good.
It is so easy to overstate the case for the reliability of the NT. In my opinion textual criticism doesn't help that much when considering whether the stories e.g. in the gospels are true. As was mentioned in the end of this interview, textual criticism can only help us to establish that we can be quite confident that we know what the original authors wrote.
We could even argue for the general reliability of the Gospels on some internal/external criteria but that doesn't necessarily mean that particulars in the gospels are correct. It goes the other way around as well: a document that is known to be generally untrustworthy might still contain true statements. Therefore, I think that the so called "criteria of authenticity" might be helpful when investigating particular claims in the gospels. Of course there is a lot of debate about the criteria and how to apply them properly.
So there are a lot of things to consider while defending the reliability of the Gospels/NT. On a popular level it might be necessary and helpful to address the questions of textual criticism but in academia I think that would be kinda unnecessary.
What R U really saying?
Thanks for the wonderful discussion! This information is so important to help correct our thinking about the reliability of scripture. Unfortunately, those who work to discredit the New Testament have preferential treatment in the modern world. I did refer to the blog referenced at the end and was disappointed that Dr. Gurry and his book were not given more visibility.
Is this book written for average believers or as a reference for Ph.D. level scholars. I would like to purchase this, but I don't want it to be so academic that it ends up collecting dust on my shelf b/c I can't understand it. Another question is were the early scribes believers or people with a skill just trying to make a living and did not necessarily have the believe in what they were copying.
Very good. I understand that from the church fathers alone, we can put together all but 11 verses of the NT. What does those 11 verses include, i.e., the ending of Mark, the woman caught in adultery, the ending of Romans?
This isn’t actually an accurate claim about the Church Fathers.
regarding the "myth" of patristic citations reconstructing the whole NT... originally it must have been meant like this: the church fathers' citations are *covering* (almost) the whole NT ? ... but the job of reconstructing, placing the pieces at the right places in the NT, is another question and would be a difficult task... but the question is still: are the fathers' quotations *covering* the (almost) complete text of the NT ?? their citations are varied, the same passage cited in different ways, etc... so one has to decide which wordings are the genuine NT text... an impossible task obviously... :)
It's crazy that they recognize manuscripts through handwriting. It's all so interesting. I have been trying to figure out the manuscripts, so this video was really interesting to watch and listen too. Also, It was good to hear that you guys have had your doubts about this stuff and you don't know everything, in some way it was comforting to hear haha. Thanks for the video guys!
does the bible state there should be 66 books, cos some books, like the gospel of judas, never made the cut, i wonder why?
hi. can anyone point me in the direction to get further information on what Dr. Gurry stated at the end of this podcast regarding the High Priest not being tied with a rope as he entered the Holy of Holies? I believe him but i just would like to know where to verify that apparent misconception I've been told for many years..
It's February 2023 as I write this. I always wonder what was going on in Sean's life about 2 years ago. He looks concerned, worried and a bit stressed in those videos. I am glad to see he looks better now!