We swear allegiance to the Dragonborn… but only if they do what we want them to do, dispite any logical argument they may come up with to the contrary of our own.
@@darkclawgreatonenas yeah, at least the Thalmor are open about it. They aren't pretending to be good or being hypocrites like the fucking Blades. I honestly think they're worse than the Thalmor.
Still to this day. How dare you, Delphine. Without me you wouldn't have your armor, followers, Esbern, nothing. Still be a bitter innkeeper. The likes of which the Dragonborn could end in a second. And you dare to make demands of me?
She's always my first kill using heartbreaker mod Especially when I just decide I dont need the main quest and just kill her as shes making threats in the basement lol
It’s funny because she constantly uses her oath as an excuse why she and Esbern won’t help because of ol’ Paarth. From what we’ve heard in previous games there is nothing in the oath as a blade that says that, and as she refuses to help the Dragonborn she is breaking her oath. Idk what consequence breaking the blades’ oath and refusing to help the Emperor/Dragonborn is, but flung off the highest mountain seems fair.
After the about 20th playthrough, I don‘t even start the main quest anymore. I begin with the alternate mod and don’t play as Dragonborn. Dragons and shouts are cool for the first few times, but mostly just annoying at some point imo. Also it’s boring to play the same characters (to some degree; as the Dragonborn) every time.
@@PM-ut6sy exactly, i have like 18 different characters lol all different styles and roles in life. Being dragonborn and doing the same quest gets repetitive and old.
Or just complete the entire civil war quest line, so Parthunaax teaches you the shout for Odavhing and you never have to go to sky haven temple ever again
The blades are honor bound to serve the Dragonborn that is what their order is for. Her ego and pride and lust for revenge clouds her loyalty. If she was a true Blade she would be duty bound to listen to you if she refused your order you could strip her of her title of blade. And I doubt she'd foolishly try to kill any dragon on her own. As everytime there was a Dragon you were there to kill it. All she can to is plot and sneak around.
You have that ass backwards. The Blades existed for a long-ass time before they even knew Dragonborn were a thing. By the time they learned, they had already wiped out all akaviri dragons and moved onto the Tamriel dragons. They follow the Dragonborn only because the Dragonborn is the ultimate dragonslayer. If the Dragonborn doesn't slay dragons, well they're no use to the blades at all.
@@brodypullishy932 that wasn't the point. The blades looked around Tamriel to find the dragonborn and they still served them when they weren't killing any dragons. Actually most dragonborns have not killed a dragon. If the blades's reason for existing was to kill dragons, they would disband after the Merethic Era. But they vowed to serve the dragonborn no matter what. Also, Tamrielic dragons went extinct because of nords, not blades.
Delphine: He used to be Alduin's right-hand man. He's committed atrocities. What he's done since then doesn't erase the crimes he's done. Me: No, the fact that he enabled Alduin's death -- twice, taught men how to shout, and has actively promoted peace for literal millennia since then is what atones for whatever he did during the dragon era. Plus, y'know, there's also the fact that he's teaching other dragons to be good little boys, which is a shitton safer than fighting dragons every day and losing people to them. I'm not killing the first dragon jedi, bitch.
See, the only cannon way out of this is Parth is still alive and has calmed all the dragons down for the next instalment. Meanwhile they should make it cannon that the dragonborn wiped the blades from existence.
For a game that's supposed to be 'open choice', they sure don't let you decide to send Del over a cliff with a clear message that you don't plan on killing off the dragon that helped you save the world and treated you better than her bitchy ass.
@@trodull All I know the latest addition of the Elder Scrolls series is going to be a major disappointment. I didn't even feel satisfication playing Fallout 4 and that was my first Fallout game. I look over the other Fallout games and WOW, they're extremely open choice and don't hold back on the brutality of the world after the bombs. Skyrim, granted it was made in 2011, and they keep spawning it out every new gaming platform for full price, just doesn't live up to the standard that it should anymore. It depresses me that open-world RPGs just think slapping in a half decent customization for your character and throwing 2-choice missions is what we have to clap and appauld for.
@@oneangryboi408 TES6 is going to come out years from now. they are putting much more work into it. saying its going to be a disappointment without watching anything about it is dumb.
There was a new method discovered to permenantly fix this. Step 1: Do the extreme alchemy glitch to get an insane alchemy leveling potion Step 2: make a paralysis potion that's duration is over 100 real life years. Step 3: shoot delphine off the edge of high hrothgar with it, letting her suffer in silent agony in whatever ditch she lands in.
i feel sorry for Esben, he is more of a tool to Delphine so she can have her way. I fucking hate that bitch. But ain't she flagged as essential even as you Fus Do Rah's of the mountain she will appear in back in Skyhaven?
Delphine: “Go KiLl PaRtHuRnAX fOr Me Or I’lL bAn YoU fRoM sKy HaVeN!” DB: **Very long enough inhale** “Delphine…before I even met you, you were pouring drinks in a little village where you’re only two patrons are the town drunk and some kid and his dog. You know what I was doing? Driving my claymore into the chest of a dragon and absorbing its soul, before even that I was burning bandit camps to the ground for fun! When you dragged me down to your little basement, I had already found a set of Dwemer armor, had learned several spells and had mastered the art of smashing skulls in with a war hammer, and you thought it smart to threaten me? You should be praising Stendaar above every day that I have the patience to tolerate your presence! For the duration of all the time I’ve known you, you’ve told me about your mission to find the Dragonborn, and your first instinct to test if my claims were true, was to send me against a dragon? You must’ve had Zenithar on your side when it came to me, because just because I’m Dragonborn doesn’t ensure I’m a skilled dragon slayer, just look at the last few members of the Septim dynasty! Honestly, I could forgive that, given your lack of knowledge and practical thinking, you have been living in a little village surrounded by nords and likely developed some form of alcoholism to cope with being surrounded by so many hamlet dwellers, but the fact that I slew a dragon right in front of you, leached it’s soul from it’s still steaming bones and took said bones as a prize and that your first way to address me as Dragonborn is to send me into the gods damned Thalmor embassy, without backup and all because you “Had a feeling they’re involved.”? And when I, unsurprisingly I might add, returned with zero information on the dragons involvement with the knife eared pricks, your next plan is to send me alone into the sewers of Riften to find a semi-deaf, senile old man? Granted Esbern is LEAGUES more bearable then you, but for Mara’s sake woman! You should be bowing at my feet and taking orders from me, I am your gods chosen heir to the Ruby Throne, and instead of hiring a massive mercenary army to escort me to Solitude, introduce me as the last of Alessia’s blood to Tulius, whom would have likely carter me off to the Imperial City to be presented to the Elder council and trialed me to determine the legitimacy of my blood and eventually see the Crown bestowed upon my brow, you instead have me wading through moss and shit covered canals to find an old man, with the thalmor hot on my heels I might add. And then there was Sky Haven…dear Kynerath what a natural looking fort that is so well preserved and with such a scenic view of the Reach, and the only key to the sole door is my very blood. That is true privilege to have a solitary fortress that’s only purpose is to act as a haven for those of my blood and their loyal defenders…and yet you strut about the place as if it’s yours to claim by seniority? Have you any inkling of how insignificant you are in the grand tale we are weaving here? Of course not, because to you I’m not even the Dragonborn, I’m an asset you can use as you see fit and then childishly scold when I finally say no to you. You’re so eager to have some semblance of importance that you invited yourself to the High Hrothgar peace summit for what? To make demands? You’re a wanted fugitive by the Thalmor, the Empire no longer recognizes the Blades as an organization and Ulfric is too obsessed with making Skyrim an Nordic ethno-state to care. You basically made years of hiding and running completely void by showing yourself to the thalmor, and put Esbern, a frail old man who can barely hold a sword, in the Thalmor spotlight after he went to extremes to hide from their wrath. And after all that, all the nagging, threatening, idiotic plans and blatant disregard for my potential status as a return to the Dragonborn dynasties and lack of basic self awareness in your actions, you DARE tell me to kill a dragon whom has gone above and beyond to fight against his nature for uncounted centuries for the benefit of mortal kind, simply because of the mistakes he made in the past? Get out of my temple Delphine, as Dragonborn I banish you from this place, and deny you any reprieve. I’ve no need for an overly ambitious sycophant who puts her own gains before the safety and well being of others and blatantly jeopardizes the last hope of Nirn to peruse her own selfish goals.”
@@gabrielefried3853 I think the mistake that many make is to think that the blades exist to serve the dragonborns; The main purpose of the blades is to hunt dragons, and their oath to the dragonborns is tied to this purpose. The blades originally come from another continent: Akavir. And they are an order of dragon hunters. When they cross to the continent of Tamriel and meet Reman I, they join him, because they hear THE VOICE: the ultimate weapon for hunting dragons. They never stop hunting dragons, even when they join the emperor. So Delphine is correct. It is part of the original oath of the blades to hunt dragons, especially those more dangerous, such as Paarthurnax, who was Alduin's right arm and committed horrors analogous to what the Nazis did. In fact, when one realizes that Paarthurnax is basically an immortal ex-Nazi, with an infinite amount of lethal weaponry, that everyday feels the temptation to return to being a Nazi ... then one begins to understand why Delphine is right.
@@jmdb7895 Delphine is a relic from and outdated culture who’s struggling to make herself relevant in a world that has forgotten her, she uses ancient propaganda from her ancestors to justify her actions regardless of Parthernax’s struggle to overcome his nature by meditation and self discipline. Parthernax is capable of the one thing Delphine isn’t, and that’s change. She’d rather order the gods chosen Dragonborn around when the last of her ancestors were bodyguards of the Dragonborn centuries after they stopped hunting down dragons, the fact Delphine can’t adapt to how the world works around her and offer no reprieve to Parthernax not only makes her an idiot, but a racially charged idiot.
@@undulycriticalobserver2510 Everything you mentioned is a straw man fallacy. Delphine doesn't think that. Her point is that Paarthurnax is not innocent, as he committed heinous crimes. And in the present, he represents a latent threat to the future. In fact, it is a matter of hard math to understand: If the probability that an event (X) occurs is greater than 0%, and you have infinite time for the event to occur, then it is a fact that sooner or later, that event will occur. That is true in Paarthurnax. He himself says that every day he feels the need to be evil again (probability greater than 0% of becoming evil due to constant temptation) and also, he is immortal, so he has plenty of time for his innate nature take control again. That is an incontestable mathematical fact: no matter how small the percentage is (for example: 0.000000000000001%), as long as the probability is greater than 0% and you have enough time, the event will occur.
So her argument is rock solid. Paarthurnax must die because: [1] She took an oath to protect humanity from the most dangerous dragons. [2] Paarthurnax has given evidence of being, after Alduin, the most dangerous dragon (he was second in command before deserting, and as with all dragons, his name describes his CHARACTER as dragon: "Ambition Overlord Cruelty" ). His past crimes have not been repaired. [3] Leaving him alive supposes that he, yes or yes, in the future, will try to dominate human beings. And the problem is that the only one capable of stopping him is the dragonborn, who unlike Paarthurnax, is not immortal. Therefore, the low probability that Paarthurnax will turn bad again IS NOT an argument in favor of letting him live, it is an argument against it, because that means that when hee returns to his old ways, the dragonborn will be dead.
Delphine when you start working with her: "The Thalmor are the real enemy." Delphine after putting on her armor: "Who are the Thalmor? I'm a dragon slayer! Nyooom"
Me before mods: “slaying dragons is cool.” Me after getting mods to pray to shore while wearing armor of the elf slayer whitestrak: “what are going on about flying lizards? *kill all thalmor!* “
@@gamejunky3040 Once when I was playing, I was trying to kill a dragon. Then the dragon killed a Thalmor patrol. What a good dragon. Later, I was fighting a dragon in Morthal. The dragon flew away from the village for some reason and attacked some random NPCs. When I finally found the darn dragon on the ground, I also found Thalmor corpses. Looks like the dragons are smarter than we think...
Also her trying to slay a dragon: DOVAKINN PLEASE HELP IM SORRY! WHY DID YOU SEND ODAVINNG, (Dragon from Soul cairn), and Paarthurax to kill me?!n SORRY! Her when actualky trying to slay a dragon Dragon: chews her up like A Sweetroll
Ok so, just do all the blades quests BEFORE the treaty and then when Delphine asks to kill party snacks, ignore her, since she got nothing left to offer you other than radiant dragons to kill, which the grey beards also do, except they also give you power words to find
I think the only other thing you get is the ability to recruit companions to join the Blades and they'll come fight with you at those radiant dragons, but at that point, you might as well fight the dragon alone.
Jauffre would be ashamed that the Blades have fallen to such a sorry state. The Blades of the Third Era would've defended the Dragonborn no matter what.
@@iltoni6895 Probably my fault for wording it weird/wrong. I suppose what I meant is that pretty much everything is in a worse overall state than in past elder scrolls games. Like tamriel fell on hard times and while it's bouncing back, it's still not back to "the good 'ol days"
@@iltoni6895 It's not the darkest age but it is a dark age. Even magic itself is in decline, with the more exotic and powerful spells disappearing into history and the Mages Guild's many centuries of aggressive standardization keeping mages on straight and narrow paths.
Delphine: Paarthunax is a war criminal. Dragonborn: Delphine, this is a bleak, dystopian fantasy world. We're all war criminals. Ulfric? Killed a man in cold blood. Tullius executed people without fair trial. Hell, I'm an assassin. I killed the Emperor.
@@Wpns-cd4vz the voice is magic and Nords typically don't use magic in their fair combat. Also, still a war criminal because of how his men treat dark elves & Argonians.
@@Werewolf_Korra im not so sure they considerit magic you are more than likely right but for the way his men treat dark elves and elves in general does not count to him being a war criminal I havent looked to far into him to notice war crimes being committed
Alternative: 1. Get Dragonborn Force from the Black Books 2. Remove Delphine's essential status. 3. Beat her then last hit with FusRoDah. 4. Take all of her loot then dump it in Aetherium forge's lava pool.
I always wondered why everyone hated Delphine till I got to this part of the quest. I've known Paarthurnax for less than a week, and he's the _one_ being in this game that treats me as if I'm actually worth crap other than my wife and kids, and _because_ of that, he is now my father figure.
Come to think of it, why wasn't there an option to just lie to Delphine about Paarthurnax? I mean he was on the top of the single tallest mountain on the continent, of which he almost never leaves. Plus it's not like the Blades can just waltz up to verify the kill, as the trek to the peak is very dangerous, and it's doubtful the Greybeards would allow them up there, even if they wanted to.
Yeah is a shame, can always set her to not essential before killing her. Just remember what argneir says though about being a man of peace and not a killer, killing Delphine is almost as bad as killing parthunax
@@georgenip5315 use the infinite returns exploit on alchemy and enchanting to get an obnoxiously high alchemy skill and make basically infinite paralysis poisons for her. Knock here out forever, it won’t kill her and she’s out of your hair
they should pay the modder for the paarthurnax dilemma mod and make it into an update, i love how the dragonborn basicaly curses at them in dragon and the temple trembles
There is a way to skip this interaction that activates the 'Kill Paarthunax' side mission. You must first beat the civil war quest line for either faction. This will remove the 'negotiation' scenario from the main quest altogether. From then on, you can just continue the story without having to listen to this 'creature' spew her hatred.
I just replaying Skyrim. Wanted do something different so I created orc female, and became hardcore Imperial. Basically did what you said unknowingly, finished civil war, killed Ulfric. Stormclocks are no more in any city. Did even first quest for graybeards, or embassy mission. Wondering how my gameplay will be different now, enjoying myself
Delphine: lives in hiding her whole life to keep alive an ancient order whose loyalty is sworn to the dragon born bloodline. also Delphine: gives the literal dragon born a game-breaking ultimatum.
Best moment in a narrative Skyrim RP (so no annoying game rules): “Delphine if you try to go after Paarthurnax one more time I swear I will Freeze you solid then shout you off the top of Sky Haven Temple”
There is a way. Go to Paarthurnax and start a dialogue with him how they want him dead after that sentence cancel dialogue and go away. Quest dissapeared from your list. Not from my head but I think it works.
I wouldn't mind this ultimatum so much if they at least allow you to kill Delphine as an alternative. After her role in the main storyline, as blatantly detracting as it mostly was, there's no reason for her to be essential.
Idk what happened when i first played, but i killed parthurnax, twice. As a random encounter and for the blades, and he still stayed alive. My game gliched out that badly and im happy it did
@@captainmoostache5578 i am dead serious. I was wearing blade armor, had dragon bane in my hands as well as a ebony war axe equiped. I believe i had a dwarven helm and forgot what the boot were. I was walking to markarth i believe because it was quite close and along a river a dragon called parthurnax just attacked me and lydia. I was so confused because I remembered i killed him. After the battle i fast travelled to the throat of the world and the mother fucker was there next to his skeleton.
I killed him once because I never did it before and wanted to see what happened. Now his corpse constantly haunts my character. I could just be walking and his skeleton will appear or glitch it's way out of the ground near me. A constant reminder of my mistake lol
for those who dont know, there's a way to save Paarthunax 1. Do the peace thingy 2. Get the "kill Paarthunax" quest started 3. Talk to Paarthy and get the whole "The Blades are right" speach from him 4. Go to dragonsreach and ignore the Blades entirely. 5. Talk to the captured Dragon 6. (VITAL) Release the Dragon to have it take you to Sovengard 7. Kill Alduin and return. Get the cutscene and speak last to the dragon you captures and freed from Dragonsreach and it is done, you have officially saved Paarthy and the quest will be deleted from your Quest List but Delphine and Esbern will eternally be stompped at their "About Paarthunax..." dialogue choice
This doesn't work; not only is the "kill Paarthurnax" quest stuck in your journal, it's now impossible to complete because Paarthurnax becomes essential if he's still alive after you've killed Alduin.
I still find it so....uncanny. Never have I ever played a game were a faction/element excommunicated themselves so confidently. The fact they so blatantly put an ultimatum on you, (which by the way, they are suppose to serve YOU, and they treat you as a glorified servant) without serving any real value over PartySnacks is hilarious. "We have nothing to talk about until parthanaax is dead.." Cue me walking out of the Temple and never interacting with the blades ever again. Seperate note: Delphine really does make me rediclously angry. Like, we're not going to watch Alduin resurrect a dragon, kill the dragon and then think "Damn thalmor" Like I hate the thalmor just as much as anyone, but I cant go blaming every problem I encounter on something I hate, just because I hate them... Only a fool will let hatred turn down an ally.
@@troodon1096 the funniest thing to me is that out of the blades thinking the thamlor are resurrecting dragons vs the thamor thinking its the blades, is the fact its so much more likely the Blades! Who else studies the dragons hard enough, knows all the lore, killed enough of them, to not be able to at least identify what might be causing the dragons to return? If not doing it themselves, (even if they are dragon *slayers* ,the dovakiin is basically a dragon in mortal form, so not unlikely they would resurrect dragons to fulfill their goals)
Even in my most evil of playthroughs I can’t bring myself to kill Paarthurnax. Delphine is truly the biggest menace of the Elder Scrolls series. Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, Dagoth Ur, Alduin, Miraak, none of them hold a candle to Delphine’s wickedness.
Agreed! At least i don't have a personal experience/relationship with the daedra or with anyone I sacrifice to them. Paarthurnax is super helpful and friendly and then this **** dolphin, I just met, wants me to straight up murder the one creature who's helped my dragonborn and hasn't been anything but nice
@@lykiaookami6070 Delphine claims to serve the Dragonborn yet has done nothing but talk down to them and get them into trouble. At least Esbern is actually helps them figure out what’s causing the dragons to return and how to defeat Alduin. Delphine just barks orders at you without thinking anything through. I’d argue Paarthurnax is the Dragonborn’s greatest ally because he also acts as a mentor figure for them. The Blades and The Greybeards both have their own agenda about what they want the Dragonborn to be but Paarthurnax actually gives them the guidance they needs to better understand what the hell they are. Sorry for the long rant it’s just Delphine gets on my nerves (which is funny considering I never really had a problem with her during my first run, it was only when I really started thinking about it).
@@Emperor_Mateus_of_Palamecia 100%. And I totally get your rant - If I wasn't holding back I'd be ranting nonstop as well. Delphine is just SUPER entitled and acting like we're her mule to do her work, the greybeards just want the dragonborn to figure shit out with a little nudge and defeat Alduin - Paarthurnax is the ONLY character who's completely honest and open with the dragonborn from the get go and helps us out no matter what. I immediately looked forward to meeting Paarthurnax once I first met him because he's just so nice and patient, guiding the dragonborn even while knowing that he might be killed anyway. Paarthurnax wants nothing but for Alduin to be defeated and helps the Dragonborn no matter what, while Delphine and everyone else doesn't care about the dragonborn at all besides 'You kill dragons? Go kill dragons for me then!'. She was so bossy but I did her quests for her until she demanded I waltz up to Paarthurnax and murder him for her. Hell nah - that made me despise her the most
I generally forget the Blades exist once I've seen the Wall. She and Esbern can have a long life staring at it, wondering if the Dragonborn will ever again seek their console or aid.
Why do I need the blades, when I can finally raise up an army of humans and Dragons with me leading the charge and finally drive the Aldmeri Dominion out of Tamriel?
When you have the friendship of every Jarl in Skyrim, a veritable army of housecarls, mercenaries and allies made across the land, and command up to five guilds - legendary present or past werewolf mercenaries, the greatest Masters of each school of magic in Skyrim, a clan of vampires or an order dedicated to fighting them, and assassins (and also the thieves) that can infiltrate, sabotage, and likely assassinate or capture key figures. Also a host of strong weapons and armours, potentially the orc strongholds, and so on. The Dragonborn _has_ an army. A small one, but at the very least, they’re one to be reckoned with.
Decided to create a short story where the Dragonborn basically tells Delphine to go to Oblivion while all of the initiates are watching. 'Whom' which have sworn an oath to 'serve the dragonborn'. Dragonborn basically tells Delphine 'yeah, that isn't going to happen. Suppose this means I'm done here, oh and... don't expect me to ever come back.' The Dragonborn then leaves Delphine standing there, the initiates decide that following the Dragonborn isn't against their oath. So they leave and join the Dragonborn to create a new group known as the Dragonblades. Forcing Delphine to return to her life at the inn.... only to discover that the Dragonborn is now providing financial support as a business partner to Orgnar. Meaning that the Dragonborn now officially owns the Sleeping Giant Inn and Delphine is left with only one choice. Be a tavernmaid.
@@hmmmooops In a way, it even is resolved. If Alduin is defeated while Paarthurnax is still alive, the quest to kill Paarthurnax will disappear from the journal. The game basically accepts this as the Dragonborn having made up their mind. The only downside is that now you can't join the Blades. Then again, who needs them anyway.
@@hmmmooops Hm. Good question. I actually don't know. They may have. I only know from playing the Legendary Edition that the quest disappears if it's not solved before the main quest ends. I checked google real quick and the wiki actually confirms that this happens, so it might also be a bug in your game.
Delphine: “We have nothing to say until Paarthunax is dead.” Me: “CLEAR SKIES SHOUT within High Hrothgar, claiming the attention of the council before they leave” Everyone…sit back down at once. … Now, I was able to tolerate all your shit from all of you. But what that blonde stank faced biotch over there just told me? Was the straw on the mammoth’s back. You will all hold this truce, forever. Because when I, and I alone, handle this dragon situation, Skyrim is going to change. With one breath, I can annihilate all of you and not have a moment of remorse. I can personally level all of Skyrim with only the breath in my lungs, So, heed my words carefully. Tulius, you will send word to the Empire immediately. As you know, the Emperor was found dead on his ship, so the position is vacant. Notify the council that I, the last blood of Alessia can claim the throne by birthright, and the fact that I can rip all who oppose me with a single word, let alone three, further validates my claim. However, I will choose not to, provided the White-Gold concordant is abolished and the Thalmor are warned of my power. The feud between mer and men shall never arise again, and the worship of Talos will be decriminalized. It holds no harm to worship him, and the other 8 are selectively ignored every day anyway. If the Thalmor do not accept these terms, then proceed to tell them this… *turns to Ulfric* This racist, regicidal lunatic is a Thalmor sleeper agent (tosses the dossier at Tulius). His claims and mission are nothing but a fabrication. Once the Empire is driven from Skyrim, the Thalmor would activate him and the Thalmor will be able to take Skyrim without resistance. As they grow and throttle the resources from the lands to the Empire, the Thalmor can overwhelm Cyrodil and take over. This, is not going to happen. *Turns to Elenwyn.* Tell your people you have been discovered. I offer you the chance for peace, and you had better take it. If you set a toe out of line towards war, I will personally call an army of dragons to my side and raze the Thalmor lands. Ulfric, back to you. You are a disgusting racist. You will step down and leave Skyrim tonight. Skyrim was conquered by Nords, and you must allow the lands to be shared. You have no claim to all of Skyrim by your race. Nords drove away the Snow Elves and stole the lands of the Foresworn. The damage of the Nords will not be perpetuated, and Skyrim will belong to everyone and will be free to worship as they please. *Turning to the High Queen Elisyf.* Lady, you never tried to manage me, and for that, you shall be left unscathed. Lead Skyrim and the jarls with fairness and Justice, and all will be good. Remember to believe in the strength of Skyrim’s people, and understand the guidelines of the Empire. And finally…*turning to Delphine* This bitch who has sat idly by and barked orders at ME, as someone who is supposed to be loyal to me, has given me an ultimatum. Kill a dragon who has given me more information and aide to me, and value to all of Nirn, than she ever did or could; or never lead the Blades again, while running things in a sanctuary that MY BLOOD opened… You DARE to tell me what to do after what I have accomplished? Enough is enough. You and all your zealots are not Blades. You are fanatics of a dead organization. The Blades are over, and you will direct your efforts to rebuilding Skyrim from this stupid war. If you cannot aide in reuniting the people of this land to a better future, then you are of no worth to me or anyone else. I will not kill anyone on ANY of your behest ever again. As long as there is life in my body, I shall never turn power back to you fools. Are we clear here?
I used to feel impartial to Delphin because I simply saw her as a medium for the main plot. Now I think, damn, I really wish it was as easy to kill main characters as it is in Fallout: New Vegas.
on PC you can do something like this: - kill Paarthurnax, and instatly ressurect -remove essential from delphine -kill delphine with lightning spells (desintgration effect), but before use soul trap results: quest is completed, Paarthurnax is alive, delphine isn't and her soul will by forever in soul cairn
I solve it by making sure to get all I want from the blades before I get that far in the questlines. Then I am under no obligation to negotiate a truce or kill a slightly pedantic dragon. Delphine can go and sit on her thumb while I do the actually important stuff.
I've never understood why anyone would side with Delphine here. Even if Paarthurnax was terrible before, he very much isn't now, and he hasn't been for a long time. Meanwhile, Delphine literally decided the best way to meet you was to first steal a priceless artifact, thereby putting a massive detour into your quest of proper training, then claims to serve you while ordering you around and being the most useless piece on the chessboard. She never kills anything, and the only knowledge she does provide is the order of dragon's mounds being visited to let you (note: Not Delphine. She doesn't do anything. She just watches Alduin attack a town.) save Kynesgrove and confirm that it's actually Alduin and not some random dragon. She does literally nothing else for you, not even any gear in case you're going into this with basic bitch iron, or so much as a SINGLE coin. She's in no place to ask you anything, especially not to hold someone's past against them.
You help her bring back a dead faction (blades) by your self….kill a dragon just to prove to her that you’re dragon born… open up sky heaven temple using your blood …. And she does does nothing to help out …. And demands you to kill the dragon that helps us out more than her …. And she goes and acts like that f that
I still have to wonder why Bethesda thought it was a good idea to force players to kill the most likeable dragon in the game without having a choice in it. (In theory) I mean its not much of a dillema to kill Paarthurnax if theres no way to get around it is it? A more fitting dillema quest would be "Kill Paarthurnax or betray the Blades by killing the last remaining members instead" but I guess this was one of the many moments Bethesda didn't think things through
Betray the Blades? I never owed them any loyalty in the first place. I never took any oath to join them. They betrayed me when they decided I served them instead of the other way around... contrary to the oath THEY supposedly took.
i thought it'd be some great guide as to how to prevent delphine from wanting to kill parthurnaax and moving the story on peacefully. Thats exactly what i got
The Blades are hypocrites. They call out the Imperials/Stormcloaks for fighting instead of focusing on the end of the world. But then refuse to put aside their hatred for Paarthurnax and help the Dragonborn kill Alduin.
Delphine: Kill Parthurnax DB, with a sly smile: I'll think about it (runs to Solstheim, reaches, fights and subdues Miraak, tortures him into submission, comes back, follows main quest until facing Alduin again in Sovngarde, two Bend Will shouts dominate Alduin, ride him out of Sovngarde and has him tear down Sky Haven temple) DB: Here's what I think of your demands, my dear ...
The one thing Delphine never thinks about, The Dragonborn is a Man/Mer(elf) shaped Dragon. What the writers forgot was to make the Blades as or more useful than Parthonax
I managed tae avoid the Paarthinax Dilemma altogether. I ended the Civil War before meeting Paarthinax. Then when it was no longer needed, I stopped visiting the Blades. Doing it this way let me see Sad Ulfric in Sovngarde which was nice. Kodlak Whitemane was there as well, but I digress.
After getting to the Wall, there is never again any actual necessity to talk to the Blades, as far as the main quest is concerned. You lose out on some side quests, but they're pointless anyway and don't reward anything unique.
@@esspooki3813 Idea time! Attack her, reach the door, use calm spell to calm her down, start dialogue and while she's talking enter through the door. She'll follow you inside. Attack her again, lead her to the courtyard door, repeat and then lead her to the throat of the world
Go into the console, turn off Delphine's essentiality and kill her, no dilemma. She only wants to use the Dragonborn as a tool for her own purposes, the Greybeards were right.
Hey! I just did this yesterday! Delphine: "There's one more problem. We know about Paarthunax" DB: "Sorry, I'm about to have a really bad sneeze." [Shouts Delphine off of High Hrothgar]
Refused to talk to Delphine or Esbern after the negotiations because that's when they bring up the quest. As they follow you around, lead them outside. (If you're on PC, make them non-essential.) Then throw them off the side of the mountain. You can keep your blade friends and they will be dead to never give you the quest. Otherwise all they do is say "we need to talk about parthenax."
i hope bethesda recognizes that killing paarthurnax is one of the most unpopular decisions in the entire community and decides to remove it from canon to reflect what 90% of players chose
One thing i did: As soon as the Truce meeting was over, while everyone is leaving i literally ran out the door to get as far from Delphine and did not let her talk to me. Once i left i fast travelled elsewhere, thus i had no quest to kill Paarthurnax and i would never bump into her outside as she would be at the Blades Temple all the time :)
Delphine: We swear allegiance to the dragonborn
Also Delphine: We have nothing to talk about until Parthunax is dead
I was about to say that too 😂
We swear allegiance to the Dragonborn… but only if they do what we want them to do, dispite any logical argument they may come up with to the contrary of our own.
this has always been the hypocrisy of the Blades, they r more like the Thalmor than they care to admit.
@@darkclawgreatonenas yeah, at least the Thalmor are open about it. They aren't pretending to be good or being hypocrites like the fucking Blades. I honestly think they're worse than the Thalmor.
Yeah, Delphine just manipulates the dragonborn to do everything for her. She's really wishy-washy.
The more I think about it, the more I’m beginning to realize that I actually hate her more than Nazeem, and that’s saying something.
Have you visited the cloud district very often? Oh what am I saying? Of course you don't
@@theonionsystem7779 "have you killed paarthanax yet? Oh, what am I saying... of course you haven't"
-Delphine probably
I wonder if Delphine gets to the cloud district very often?
Oh, what are you saying... Of course she doesn't.
@Johnt Schmichal it's spelt with a z in the US and Canada.
Still to this day. How dare you, Delphine. Without me you wouldn't have your armor, followers, Esbern, nothing. Still be a bitter innkeeper. The likes of which the Dragonborn could end in a second. And you dare to make demands of me?
She's always my first kill using heartbreaker mod
Especially when I just decide I dont need the main quest and just kill her as shes making threats in the basement lol
I prefer to call her ass hat
Not to mention the blades are supposed to serve the dragonborne and emporer not the other way around!
It’s funny because she constantly uses her oath as an excuse why she and Esbern won’t help because of ol’ Paarth. From what we’ve heard in previous games there is nothing in the oath as a blade that says that, and as she refuses to help the Dragonborn she is breaking her oath. Idk what consequence breaking the blades’ oath and refusing to help the Emperor/Dragonborn is, but flung off the highest mountain seems fair.
Not that it's bad to be an innkeeper but still...she gets a lot of hate for good reasons... Lol
The real solution is to never progress the main quest past her being a lonely innkeeper hiding from the Thalmor.
Or never progress past Blade in the Dark so she will forever be in her basement
isn't that mean you can't fully improve your Thu'um?
After the about 20th playthrough, I don‘t even start the main quest anymore. I begin with the alternate mod and don’t play as Dragonborn. Dragons and shouts are cool for the first few times, but mostly just annoying at some point imo. Also it’s boring to play the same characters (to some degree; as the Dragonborn) every time.
@@PM-ut6sy exactly, i have like 18 different characters lol all different styles and roles in life. Being dragonborn and doing the same quest gets repetitive and old.
@@PM-ut6sy this guy gets it! Most of my worlds i never even visit riverwood
delphine: we have nothing to talk about untill paarthurnax is dead. dragonborn: i have 3 word to say
Fus
Ro
Dah!
(fuck I wanted to participate too)
@@youraverageenclavesoldier oof, sorry ;-;
This is the only correct way.
Nah the true correct way is to create the worlds strongest paralysis potion, poison an arrow with it, and then shoot her. Death is too good for her.
Or just complete the entire civil war quest line, so Parthunaax teaches you the shout for Odavhing and you never have to go to sky haven temple ever again
The only way
I recently killed paarthurnax without realizing it was him and i feel like shit
@@ThomasRobertsOffficial u monster 😭
The blades are honor bound to serve the Dragonborn that is what their order is for. Her ego and pride and lust for revenge clouds her loyalty. If she was a true Blade she would be duty bound to listen to you if she refused your order you could strip her of her title of blade. And I doubt she'd foolishly try to kill any dragon on her own. As everytime there was a Dragon you were there to kill it. All she can to is plot and sneak around.
Yeah - which is why it's just so rage inducing that she's an essential NPC at this point in the game.
You have that ass backwards. The Blades existed for a long-ass time before they even knew Dragonborn were a thing. By the time they learned, they had already wiped out all akaviri dragons and moved onto the Tamriel dragons. They follow the Dragonborn only because the Dragonborn is the ultimate dragonslayer. If the Dragonborn doesn't slay dragons, well they're no use to the blades at all.
@@brodypullishy932 the blades served the dragonborn emperors and they weren't dragonslayers cuz dragons went extinct.
@@slimretro2659 Yeah who do you think caused the Dragons to go extinct?
@@brodypullishy932 that wasn't the point. The blades looked around Tamriel to find the dragonborn and they still served them when they weren't killing any dragons. Actually most dragonborns have not killed a dragon.
If the blades's reason for existing was to kill dragons, they would disband after the Merethic Era. But they vowed to serve the dragonborn no matter what.
Also, Tamrielic dragons went extinct because of nords, not blades.
Whether you support the Imperials or the Stormcloaks, we are all united in our hatred for Delphine.
I feel like jarl bugruff, I don't know who to support. At first I supported the imperials, but now. Idk
Imagine being more hated than Satan
I don't know why, but the game (at least at the start) *really* wants you to join the Stormcloaks.
I.. Idk guys, I punish delphine with my bdsm mod 😳😳
@@robertrobertson4181 yep, but oblivion players don't take that
Delphine: He used to be Alduin's right-hand man. He's committed atrocities. What he's done since then doesn't erase the crimes he's done.
Me: No, the fact that he enabled Alduin's death -- twice, taught men how to shout, and has actively promoted peace for literal millennia since then is what atones for whatever he did during the dragon era. Plus, y'know, there's also the fact that he's teaching other dragons to be good little boys, which is a shitton safer than fighting dragons every day and losing people to them. I'm not killing the first dragon jedi, bitch.
Delphine is like twitter.Brings up rly old stuff and tries to cancel in this case kill him.
See, the only cannon way out of this is Parth is still alive and has calmed all the dragons down for the next instalment. Meanwhile they should make it cannon that the dragonborn wiped the blades from existence.
dragons'll be like wizards sitting silently on mountain tops able to give you meditative knowledge
dragon jedi is like the best representation of Par lmao
@@ThunderCrims now I wanna see him try to use a lightsaber
For a game that's supposed to be 'open choice', they sure don't let you decide to send Del over a cliff with a clear message that you don't plan on killing off the dragon that helped you save the world and treated you better than her bitchy ass.
Another reason why Obsidian would make a real Elder Scrolls game
@@trodull All I know the latest addition of the Elder Scrolls series is going to be a major disappointment.
I didn't even feel satisfication playing Fallout 4 and that was my first Fallout game. I look over the other Fallout games and WOW, they're extremely open choice and don't hold back on the brutality of the world after the bombs.
Skyrim, granted it was made in 2011, and they keep spawning it out every new gaming platform for full price, just doesn't live up to the standard that it should anymore.
It depresses me that open-world RPGs just think slapping in a half decent customization for your character and throwing 2-choice missions is what we have to clap and appauld for.
@@oneangryboi408 dude fallout 4 is awful. Honestly I feel both starfield and TES 6 will be flashy looking disappointments.
@@oneangryboi408 play divinity: original sin 2. this game is a definition of open choice
@@oneangryboi408 TES6 is going to come out years from now. they are putting much more work into it. saying its going to be a disappointment without watching anything about it is dumb.
If Parthy is dead in TES6 we riot.
Facts
Chances are, they won't mention him
my question is how they would handle the skyrim civil war. would they just not mention skyrim at all?
@@Underworlder5 they’re probably just gonna take one of the outcomes and make it canon
I hope we don't get a shitty prequel with the thalmor/redguard war...
There was a new method discovered to permenantly fix this.
Step 1: Do the extreme alchemy glitch to get an insane alchemy leveling potion
Step 2: make a paralysis potion that's duration is over 100 real life years.
Step 3: shoot delphine off the edge of high hrothgar with it, letting her suffer in silent agony in whatever ditch she lands in.
I suspect you should see a therapist lol
That is brutal! And I’m here for it.😈
This is sane
It's even more fun to just reverse-pickpocket it into her inventory while in water.
I need to do this
"hey Esburn"
Lmao
XD same
i feel sorry for Esben, he is more of a tool to Delphine so she can have her way. I fucking hate that bitch. But ain't she flagged as essential even as you Fus Do Rah's of the mountain she will appear in back in Skyhaven?
That was the delicious cherry on top of this wonderful sundae :D
... to be continued
Delphine: “Go KiLl PaRtHuRnAX fOr Me Or I’lL bAn YoU fRoM sKy HaVeN!”
DB: **Very long enough inhale** “Delphine…before I even met you, you were pouring drinks in a little village where you’re only two patrons are the town drunk and some kid and his dog.
You know what I was doing? Driving my claymore into the chest of a dragon and absorbing its soul, before even that I was burning bandit camps to the ground for fun!
When you dragged me down to your little basement, I had already found a set of Dwemer armor, had learned several spells and had mastered the art of smashing skulls in with a war hammer, and you thought it smart to threaten me? You should be praising Stendaar above every day that I have the patience to tolerate your presence!
For the duration of all the time I’ve known you, you’ve told me about your mission to find the Dragonborn, and your first instinct to test if my claims were true, was to send me against a dragon? You must’ve had Zenithar on your side when it came to me, because just because I’m Dragonborn doesn’t ensure I’m a skilled dragon slayer, just look at the last few members of the Septim dynasty!
Honestly, I could forgive that, given your lack of knowledge and practical thinking, you have been living in a little village surrounded by nords and likely developed some form of alcoholism to cope with being surrounded by so many hamlet dwellers, but the fact that I slew a dragon right in front of you, leached it’s soul from it’s still steaming bones and took said bones as a prize and that your first way to address me as Dragonborn is to send me into the gods damned Thalmor embassy, without backup and all because you “Had a feeling they’re involved.”?
And when I, unsurprisingly I might add, returned with zero information on the dragons involvement with the knife eared pricks, your next plan is to send me alone into the sewers of Riften to find a semi-deaf, senile old man? Granted Esbern is LEAGUES more bearable then you, but for Mara’s sake woman! You should be bowing at my feet and taking orders from me, I am your gods chosen heir to the Ruby Throne, and instead of hiring a massive mercenary army to escort me to Solitude, introduce me as the last of Alessia’s blood to Tulius, whom would have likely carter me off to the Imperial City to be presented to the Elder council and trialed me to determine the legitimacy of my blood and eventually see the Crown bestowed upon my brow, you instead have me wading through moss and shit covered canals to find an old man, with the thalmor hot on my heels I might add.
And then there was Sky Haven…dear Kynerath what a natural looking fort that is so well preserved and with such a scenic view of the Reach, and the only key to the sole door is my very blood. That is true privilege to have a solitary fortress that’s only purpose is to act as a haven for those of my blood and their loyal defenders…and yet you strut about the place as if it’s yours to claim by seniority? Have you any inkling of how insignificant you are in the grand tale we are weaving here? Of course not, because to you I’m not even the Dragonborn, I’m an asset you can use as you see fit and then childishly scold when I finally say no to you.
You’re so eager to have some semblance of importance that you invited yourself to the High Hrothgar peace summit for what? To make demands? You’re a wanted fugitive by the Thalmor, the Empire no longer recognizes the Blades as an organization and Ulfric is too obsessed with making Skyrim an Nordic ethno-state to care.
You basically made years of hiding and running completely void by showing yourself to the thalmor, and put Esbern, a frail old man who can barely hold a sword, in the Thalmor spotlight after he went to extremes to hide from their wrath.
And after all that, all the nagging, threatening, idiotic plans and blatant disregard for my potential status as a return to the Dragonborn dynasties and lack of basic self awareness in your actions, you DARE tell me to kill a dragon whom has gone above and beyond to fight against his nature for uncounted centuries for the benefit of mortal kind, simply because of the mistakes he made in the past?
Get out of my temple Delphine, as Dragonborn I banish you from this place, and deny you any reprieve. I’ve no need for an overly ambitious sycophant who puts her own gains before the safety and well being of others and blatantly jeopardizes the last hope of Nirn to peruse her own selfish goals.”
This is highly underrated! 🥰
@@gabrielefried3853 I think the mistake that many make is to think that the blades exist to serve the dragonborns; The main purpose of the blades is to hunt dragons, and their oath to the dragonborns is tied to this purpose.
The blades originally come from another continent: Akavir. And they are an order of dragon hunters. When they cross to the continent of Tamriel and meet Reman I, they join him, because they hear THE VOICE: the ultimate weapon for hunting dragons. They never stop hunting dragons, even when they join the emperor.
So Delphine is correct. It is part of the original oath of the blades to hunt dragons, especially those more dangerous, such as Paarthurnax, who was Alduin's right arm and committed horrors analogous to what the Nazis did.
In fact, when one realizes that Paarthurnax is basically an immortal ex-Nazi, with an infinite amount of lethal weaponry, that everyday feels the temptation to return to being a Nazi ... then one begins to understand why Delphine is right.
@@jmdb7895 Delphine is a relic from and outdated culture who’s struggling to make herself relevant in a world that has forgotten her, she uses ancient propaganda from her ancestors to justify her actions regardless of Parthernax’s struggle to overcome his nature by meditation and self discipline.
Parthernax is capable of the one thing Delphine isn’t, and that’s change.
She’d rather order the gods chosen Dragonborn around when the last of her ancestors were bodyguards of the Dragonborn centuries after they stopped hunting down dragons, the fact Delphine can’t adapt to how the world works around her and offer no reprieve to Parthernax not only makes her an idiot, but a racially charged idiot.
@@undulycriticalobserver2510 Everything you mentioned is a straw man fallacy. Delphine doesn't think that.
Her point is that Paarthurnax is not innocent, as he committed heinous crimes. And in the present, he represents a latent threat to the future. In fact, it is a matter of hard math to understand:
If the probability that an event (X) occurs is greater than 0%, and you have infinite time for the event to occur, then it is a fact that sooner or later, that event will occur.
That is true in Paarthurnax. He himself says that every day he feels the need to be evil again (probability greater than 0% of becoming evil due to constant temptation) and also, he is immortal, so he has plenty of time for his innate nature take control again. That is an incontestable mathematical fact: no matter how small the percentage is (for example: 0.000000000000001%), as long as the probability is greater than 0% and you have enough time, the event will occur.
So her argument is rock solid. Paarthurnax must die because:
[1] She took an oath to protect humanity from the most dangerous dragons.
[2] Paarthurnax has given evidence of being, after Alduin, the most dangerous dragon (he was second in command before deserting, and as with all dragons, his name describes his CHARACTER as dragon: "Ambition Overlord Cruelty" ). His past crimes have not been repaired.
[3] Leaving him alive supposes that he, yes or yes, in the future, will try to dominate human beings. And the problem is that the only one capable of stopping him is the dragonborn, who unlike Paarthurnax, is not immortal. Therefore, the low probability that Paarthurnax will turn bad again IS NOT an argument in favor of letting him live, it is an argument against it, because that means that when hee returns to his old ways, the dragonborn will be dead.
Delphine when you start working with her: "The Thalmor are the real enemy."
Delphine after putting on her armor: "Who are the Thalmor? I'm a dragon slayer! Nyooom"
Me before mods: “slaying dragons is cool.”
Me after getting mods to pray to shore while wearing armor of the elf slayer whitestrak: “what are going on about flying lizards? *kill all thalmor!* “
@@gamejunky3040 Once when I was playing, I was trying to kill a dragon. Then the dragon killed a Thalmor patrol. What a good dragon.
Later, I was fighting a dragon in Morthal. The dragon flew away from the village for some reason and attacked some random NPCs. When I finally found the darn dragon on the ground, I also found Thalmor corpses. Looks like the dragons are smarter than we think...
@@gwendolynsnyder463 Theyre covering their tracks
@@oreo-postraphe
who was covering their tracks?
Also her trying to slay a dragon: DOVAKINN PLEASE HELP IM SORRY! WHY DID YOU SEND ODAVINNG, (Dragon from Soul cairn), and Paarthurax to kill me?!n SORRY!
Her when actualky trying to slay a dragon
Dragon: chews her up like A Sweetroll
>walk into high hrothgar
>abandon your oath to the dragonborn
>refuse to elaborate further
>get thrown off a mountain
it looks much better with bullets:
• walk into High Hrothgar
• abandon your oath to the dragonborn
• refuse to elaborate
• get thrown off the mountain
And then she gets stuck and never finds her way back sometimes. It's actually awesome lol
I noticed that too, I had a marker on her that showed me she was still on a slope of High Hrothgar, along with esbern. xD
Ok so, just do all the blades quests BEFORE the treaty and then when Delphine asks to kill party snacks, ignore her, since she got nothing left to offer you other than radiant dragons to kill, which the grey beards also do, except they also give you power words to find
I think the only other thing you get is the ability to recruit companions to join the Blades and they'll come fight with you at those radiant dragons, but at that point, you might as well fight the dragon alone.
Party Snacks! That’s amazing! Also yeah, the troop of idiots who once *knocked me off a mountain* are a LOT less useful than a word wall.
Lmao @ PartySnacks
Wtf partysnacks 😂 damn how dare you
Partysnacks - made my day! 🤣🤣🤣
Jauffre would be ashamed that the Blades have fallen to such a sorry state. The Blades of the Third Era would've defended the Dragonborn no matter what.
That’s the point of Skyrim. Every faction, everything is in a state of decline. It’s a Tamriel dark age
@@Gay_Priest except those things didn't really happen in the "dark" age, it was in many aspects an age of progress
@@iltoni6895 Probably my fault for wording it weird/wrong. I suppose what I meant is that pretty much everything is in a worse overall state than in past elder scrolls games. Like tamriel fell on hard times and while it's bouncing back, it's still not back to "the good 'ol days"
@@iltoni6895 It's not the darkest age but it is a dark age. Even magic itself is in decline, with the more exotic and powerful spells disappearing into history and the Mages Guild's many centuries of aggressive standardization keeping mages on straight and narrow paths.
They let the Mythic Dawn kill Uriel Septim and all the Septims before him had shite Blades protection.
Delphine: Paarthunax is a war criminal.
Dragonborn: Delphine, this is a bleak, dystopian fantasy world. We're all war criminals. Ulfric? Killed a man in cold blood. Tullius executed people without fair trial. Hell, I'm an assassin. I killed the Emperor.
also she is a war criminal running from the empire, and thalmor...
Ulfric not a war criminal for that it was an honorable fight even whit the thuum it was valid he is mostly a racist and a revolutist
@@Wpns-cd4vz the voice is magic and Nords typically don't use magic in their fair combat.
Also, still a war criminal because of how his men treat dark elves & Argonians.
@@Werewolf_Korra im not so sure they considerit magic you are more than likely right but for the way his men treat dark elves and elves in general does not count to him being a war criminal I havent looked to far into him to notice war crimes being committed
@@Wpns-cd4vz ulfric is a thalmor war criminal though.
"We have nothing to talk about until Paarthurnax is dead"
Dragonborn: Good, we'll never talk :)
Best choice in vanilla game
I solved it by getting lost in sidequests and never finishing a single one of these games.
The best solution of all.
It is the way.
Alternative:
1. Get Dragonborn Force from the Black Books
2. Remove Delphine's essential status.
3. Beat her then last hit with FusRoDah.
4. Take all of her loot then dump it in Aetherium forge's lava pool.
What I did
How do i remove daphnes essential status?
@@l0remipsum991 ah is this a pc only thing?
@@aguy6157 Yes. There may be a mod on console for it though.
@@aguy6157 for xbox just get cheat room and it’s a spell to remove essential status
I always wondered why everyone hated Delphine till I got to this part of the quest.
I've known Paarthurnax for less than a week, and he's the _one_ being in this game that treats me as if I'm actually worth crap other than my wife and kids, and _because_ of that, he is now my father figure.
Uncle Ulfric and Daddy Tully are my favourites no exceptions
Lulfric
I hated that Tullius
uwu, uncle ulfric being a naughty little rebel
Come to think of it, why wasn't there an option to just lie to Delphine about Paarthurnax? I mean he was on the top of the single tallest mountain on the continent, of which he almost never leaves. Plus it's not like the Blades can just waltz up to verify the kill, as the trek to the peak is very dangerous, and it's doubtful the Greybeards would allow them up there, even if they wanted to.
also they need a certian shout, and considering they cant shout, well, have fun...
Because Bethesda are staffed by cucks who want you to experience the story they laid out for you, not the story you want to create for yourself.
@@physical_insanity its over 11 years. Calm your big ass tits lmao
@@fatty1040 it's more than that when you remember that it's not just Skyrim that suffers from this.
just commonplace with bethesda games to make a "the world's your oyster game" but there's no oysters in the world
*''Until at last, I threw down my enemy and smote her ruins upon the mountainside''*
*starts gracefully teabagging them*
Good reference.
Remind me where that quote’s from? I know I’ve heard it before, but I can’t remember where from.
@@collectorofmyst2107 The Quote is from Gandalf in the Two Towers and the teabagging one is a reference to the CZcamsr TheScatsbury
@@MrKrossix I am a monumental fool. Of course it is.
But that doesn't actually kill her sigh! The bloody peace agreement is only slightly less annoying that she is also.
Yeah is a shame, can always set her to not essential before killing her. Just remember what argneir says though about being a man of peace and not a killer, killing Delphine is almost as bad as killing parthunax
@@georgenip5315 entombing timeee
@@georgenip5315 well you can kill her at kynesgroove dragon rise... use rdo make her follower... and feed her to boethiah scaeleum
@@georgenip5315 use the infinite returns exploit on alchemy and enchanting to get an obnoxiously high alchemy skill and make basically infinite paralysis poisons for her. Knock here out forever, it won’t kill her and she’s out of your hair
@J D www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/8exnj1/help_me_find_the_mod_that_removes_the_essential/?
they should pay the modder for the paarthurnax dilemma mod and make it into an update, i love how the dragonborn basicaly curses at them in dragon and the temple trembles
An update.... ten years after release? That's not exactly common
@@DatBrasss check out the creation club for both fallout 4and skyrim
Im sold, im i stalling that mod right now
@@jonatanschwindt8065 did ya enjoy it?
@@swahini havent got to that part yet in this playthrough, but i will
the only dilemma was how to get her up there
She just spawn at the conference i guess
"We serve the dragonborn."
Dragonborn: I don't wanna kill Parthunax
"Well we won't serve you unless you do! >:["
There is a way to skip this interaction that activates the 'Kill Paarthunax' side mission.
You must first beat the civil war quest line for either faction.
This will remove the 'negotiation' scenario from the main quest altogether.
From then on, you can just continue the story without having to listen to this 'creature' spew her hatred.
must have done that. i played this game long ago but i distinctively remember not killing this dragon and i usually do side quests before main story
Do you still get the benefits of both sides?
@@an-cx1ho the quest isnt mandatory anyway
Yeah I think I done that, I don't remember killing my boy paarthunax
I just replaying Skyrim. Wanted do something different so I created orc female, and became hardcore Imperial. Basically did what you said unknowingly, finished civil war, killed Ulfric. Stormclocks are no more in any city. Did even first quest for graybeards, or embassy mission. Wondering how my gameplay will be different now, enjoying myself
Delphine: lives in hiding her whole life to keep alive an ancient order whose loyalty is sworn to the dragon born bloodline.
also Delphine: gives the literal dragon born a game-breaking ultimatum.
It’s weird how she says they are supposed to worship the dragon born and help them yet she demands something from us
I guess they don't want a hypocrite as a leader...
@@drummerboi661 I see
Best moment in a narrative Skyrim RP (so no annoying game rules): “Delphine if you try to go after Paarthurnax one more time I swear I will Freeze you solid then shout you off the top of Sky Haven Temple”
Delphine: we have nothing to talk about.
Dragonborn: yes, indeed.
I wish there was a destroy the blades quest. I really love Parthunax :(
There is a way. Go to Paarthurnax and start a dialogue with him how they want him dead after that sentence cancel dialogue and go away. Quest dissapeared from your list. Not from my head but I think it works.
Step one: eliminate blades
Step two: make new, better blades with blackjack and hookers
@@airshow406 in fact, forget the blades. xD
@@airshow406 Delphine/asshat would be a better hooker than Blade anyway.
Paarthurnax deserves death for all those innocent people he killed with Alduin
I wouldn't mind this ultimatum so much if they at least allow you to kill Delphine as an alternative. After her role in the main storyline, as blatantly detracting as it mostly was, there's no reason for her to be essential.
Idk what happened when i first played, but i killed parthurnax, twice. As a random encounter and for the blades, and he still stayed alive. My game gliched out that badly and im happy it did
As a random encounter? That's possible?
@@captainmoostache5578 i am dead serious. I was wearing blade armor, had dragon bane in my hands as well as a ebony war axe equiped. I believe i had a dwarven helm and forgot what the boot were. I was walking to markarth i believe because it was quite close and along a river a dragon called parthurnax just attacked me and lydia. I was so confused because I remembered i killed him. After the battle i fast travelled to the throat of the world and the mother fucker was there next to his skeleton.
when i first completed the main quest and killed Alduin, as i came out of the Sonvgarde i came to see Paarthumax body?? i didn't kill him...
@@dawidpotega882 skyrim, as im sure you have noticed, is very glitchy. So im sure what you just said is true
I killed him once because I never did it before and wanted to see what happened. Now his corpse constantly haunts my character. I could just be walking and his skeleton will appear or glitch it's way out of the ground near me. A constant reminder of my mistake lol
Oh no! They slipped off the cliff! How sad! What a terrible accident!
Oh nooooooo. Who could have foreseen such events?
Someone really ought to put up a railing. That happens all the time.
... anyway. (c)
for those who dont know, there's a way to save Paarthunax
1. Do the peace thingy
2. Get the "kill Paarthunax" quest started
3. Talk to Paarthy and get the whole "The Blades are right" speach from him
4. Go to dragonsreach and ignore the Blades entirely.
5. Talk to the captured Dragon
6. (VITAL) Release the Dragon to have it take you to Sovengard
7. Kill Alduin and return. Get the cutscene and speak last to the dragon you captures and freed from Dragonsreach
and it is done, you have officially saved Paarthy and the quest will be deleted from your Quest List
but Delphine and Esbern will eternally be stompped at their "About Paarthunax..." dialogue choice
I'm so glad this is a thing. Plus why bother with a radiant quest to kill dragons when dragons usually pop up after every other dungeon?
This doesn't work; not only is the "kill Paarthurnax" quest stuck in your journal, it's now impossible to complete because Paarthurnax becomes essential if he's still alive after you've killed Alduin.
You can also talk to the Greybeards and say you'd never kill Paarathurnax, which will remove the quest from your journal.
I still find it so....uncanny.
Never have I ever played a game were a faction/element excommunicated themselves so confidently.
The fact they so blatantly put an ultimatum on you, (which by the way, they are suppose to serve YOU, and they treat you as a glorified servant) without serving any real value over PartySnacks is hilarious.
"We have nothing to talk about until parthanaax is dead.." Cue me walking out of the Temple and never interacting with the blades ever again.
Seperate note: Delphine really does make me rediclously angry. Like, we're not going to watch Alduin resurrect a dragon, kill the dragon and then think "Damn thalmor"
Like I hate the thalmor just as much as anyone, but I cant go blaming every problem I encounter on something I hate, just because I hate them...
Only a fool will let hatred turn down an ally.
I never got how after that she was STILL convinced the Thalmor were involved. She's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
@@troodon1096 the funniest thing to me is that out of the blades thinking the thamlor are resurrecting dragons vs the thamor thinking its the blades, is the fact its so much more likely the Blades! Who else studies the dragons hard enough, knows all the lore, killed enough of them, to not be able to at least identify what might be causing the dragons to return? If not doing it themselves, (even if they are dragon *slayers* ,the dovakiin is basically a dragon in mortal form, so not unlikely they would resurrect dragons to fulfill their goals)
Even in my most evil of playthroughs I can’t bring myself to kill Paarthurnax. Delphine is truly the biggest menace of the Elder Scrolls series. Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, Dagoth Ur, Alduin, Miraak, none of them hold a candle to Delphine’s wickedness.
Even nazeem
Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong
Agreed! At least i don't have a personal experience/relationship with the daedra or with anyone I sacrifice to them. Paarthurnax is super helpful and friendly and then this **** dolphin, I just met, wants me to straight up murder the one creature who's helped my dragonborn and hasn't been anything but nice
@@lykiaookami6070 Delphine claims to serve the Dragonborn yet has done nothing but talk down to them and get them into trouble. At least Esbern is actually helps them figure out what’s causing the dragons to return and how to defeat Alduin. Delphine just barks orders at you without thinking anything through.
I’d argue Paarthurnax is the Dragonborn’s greatest ally because he also acts as a mentor figure for them. The Blades and The Greybeards both have their own agenda about what they want the Dragonborn to be but Paarthurnax actually gives them the guidance they needs to better understand what the hell they are. Sorry for the long rant it’s just Delphine gets on my nerves (which is funny considering I never really had a problem with her during my first run, it was only when I really started thinking about it).
@@Emperor_Mateus_of_Palamecia 100%. And I totally get your rant - If I wasn't holding back I'd be ranting nonstop as well. Delphine is just SUPER entitled and acting like we're her mule to do her work, the greybeards just want the dragonborn to figure shit out with a little nudge and defeat Alduin - Paarthurnax is the ONLY character who's completely honest and open with the dragonborn from the get go and helps us out no matter what. I immediately looked forward to meeting Paarthurnax once I first met him because he's just so nice and patient, guiding the dragonborn even while knowing that he might be killed anyway. Paarthurnax wants nothing but for Alduin to be defeated and helps the Dragonborn no matter what, while Delphine and everyone else doesn't care about the dragonborn at all besides 'You kill dragons? Go kill dragons for me then!'. She was so bossy but I did her quests for her until she demanded I waltz up to Paarthurnax and murder him for her. Hell nah - that made me despise her the most
use the console to complete the dumb quest get the magic potion and then remove her from existence. 0 mods needed.
meh, why can't we use console commands on eh.....console
@@Dragonmistress83 Console peasants lol.
@@yusriyahbagheri8843 Jokes on you, once finished on PS4 to get all archiements I am gonna move to PC master race
@@yusriyahbagheri8843 man shut the flip up. I play on pc and your still a little bitch
@@yusriyahbagheri8843 As part of the PC master race, we don't claim this individual as on of our own
Paarthurnax is literally my favorite character from any video game.
I mean he's a wise old dragon jedi on a mountaintop and he's voiced by Mario. yeah
@@SavageGreywolf Goated description
For some reason I killed him because I thought it was part of the quest. Poor dragon. Just wanted to talk, did his time.
F
I did also I regret my decisions
"wE haVe NotHiNG To TAlk ABoUT..." Yea yea... Fus Ro Bbrrr...
Missed opportunity for: FUS GO BBRRRRRRRR
Maaaaaaaaann FUCK DELPHINE
@@wa791st probably
I generally forget the Blades exist once I've seen the Wall. She and Esbern can have a long life staring at it, wondering if the Dragonborn will ever again seek their console or aid.
Honestly, I never interacted with the Blades past the point the main quest requires me to.
Why do I need the blades, when I can finally raise up an army of humans and Dragons with me leading the charge and finally drive the Aldmeri Dominion out of Tamriel?
the aldmeri dominion can probably handle a few haggard dragons, considering they've destroyed the blades
I have a mod that gives me better necromancer powers, so I'm able to build armies of undead.
My power is unlimited
When you have the friendship of every Jarl in Skyrim, a veritable army of housecarls, mercenaries and allies made across the land, and command up to five guilds - legendary present or past werewolf mercenaries, the greatest Masters of each school of magic in Skyrim, a clan of vampires or an order dedicated to fighting them, and assassins (and also the thieves) that can infiltrate, sabotage, and likely assassinate or capture key figures. Also a host of strong weapons and armours, potentially the orc strongholds, and so on. The Dragonborn _has_ an army. A small one, but at the very least, they’re one to be reckoned with.
Decided to create a short story where the Dragonborn basically tells Delphine to go to Oblivion while all of the initiates are watching. 'Whom' which have sworn an oath to 'serve the dragonborn'. Dragonborn basically tells Delphine 'yeah, that isn't going to happen. Suppose this means I'm done here, oh and... don't expect me to ever come back.' The Dragonborn then leaves Delphine standing there, the initiates decide that following the Dragonborn isn't against their oath. So they leave and join the Dragonborn to create a new group known as the Dragonblades. Forcing Delphine to return to her life at the inn.... only to discover that the Dragonborn is now providing financial support as a business partner to Orgnar. Meaning that the Dragonborn now officially owns the Sleeping Giant Inn and Delphine is left with only one choice. Be a tavernmaid.
WHERE IS IT
"Stop. You have committed crimes against Skyrim and it's people."
its* but also her*.
Delphine is a Breton though.
no i have saved skyrim and its people from delphine
"Hey it was delphine"(persuade)
Guard: yeah. She really had it coming. Carry on with your day.
Something tells me Delphine isn't going to make it to the Cloud District very often if you catch my drift.
You were right about one thing Air Show, the negations were short.
I just solve it by not doing the quest at all
Then it's not solved
@@ghjfkldsxzmkbfj It's solved, it's just not resolved
@@hmmmooops In a way, it even is resolved. If Alduin is defeated while Paarthurnax is still alive, the quest to kill Paarthurnax will disappear from the journal. The game basically accepts this as the Dragonborn having made up their mind. The only downside is that now you can't join the Blades. Then again, who needs them anyway.
@@Catras_unfairly_gorgeous_smirk I don't remember it disappearing for me, did they add that later?
@@hmmmooops Hm. Good question. I actually don't know. They may have. I only know from playing the Legendary Edition that the quest disappears if it's not solved before the main quest ends. I checked google real quick and the wiki actually confirms that this happens, so it might also be a bug in your game.
Delphine: “We have nothing to say until Paarthunax is dead.”
Me: “CLEAR SKIES SHOUT within High Hrothgar, claiming the attention of the council before they leave”
Everyone…sit back down at once. …
Now, I was able to tolerate all your shit from all of you. But what that blonde stank faced biotch over there just told me? Was the straw on the mammoth’s back.
You will all hold this truce, forever. Because when I, and I alone, handle this dragon situation, Skyrim is going to change. With one breath, I can annihilate all of you and not have a moment of remorse. I can personally level all of Skyrim with only the breath in my lungs, So, heed my words carefully.
Tulius, you will send word to the Empire immediately. As you know, the Emperor was found dead on his ship, so the position is vacant. Notify the council that I, the last blood of Alessia can claim the throne by birthright, and the fact that I can rip all who oppose me with a single word, let alone three, further validates my claim.
However, I will choose not to, provided the White-Gold concordant is abolished and the Thalmor are warned of my power. The feud between mer and men shall never arise again, and the worship of Talos will be decriminalized. It holds no harm to worship him, and the other 8 are selectively ignored every day anyway. If the Thalmor do not accept these terms, then proceed to tell them this…
*turns to Ulfric*
This racist, regicidal lunatic is a Thalmor sleeper agent (tosses the dossier at Tulius). His claims and mission are nothing but a fabrication. Once the Empire is driven from Skyrim, the Thalmor would activate him and the Thalmor will be able to take Skyrim without resistance. As they grow and throttle the resources from the lands to the Empire, the Thalmor can overwhelm Cyrodil and take over.
This, is not going to happen. *Turns to Elenwyn.* Tell your people you have been discovered. I offer you the chance for peace, and you had better take it. If you set a toe out of line towards war, I will personally call an army of dragons to my side and raze the Thalmor lands.
Ulfric, back to you. You are a disgusting racist. You will step down and leave Skyrim tonight. Skyrim was conquered by Nords, and you must allow the lands to be shared. You have no claim to all of Skyrim by your race. Nords drove away the Snow Elves and stole the lands of the Foresworn. The damage of the Nords will not be perpetuated, and Skyrim will belong to everyone and will be free to worship as they please.
*Turning to the High Queen Elisyf.* Lady, you never tried to manage me, and for that, you shall be left unscathed. Lead Skyrim and the jarls with fairness and Justice, and all will be good. Remember to believe in the strength of Skyrim’s people, and understand the guidelines of the Empire.
And finally…*turning to Delphine* This bitch who has sat idly by and barked orders at ME, as someone who is supposed to be loyal to me, has given me an ultimatum. Kill a dragon who has given me more information and aide to me, and value to all of Nirn, than she ever did or could; or never lead the Blades again, while running things in a sanctuary that MY BLOOD opened…
You DARE to tell me what to do after what I have accomplished? Enough is enough. You and all your zealots are not Blades. You are fanatics of a dead organization. The Blades are over, and you will direct your efforts to rebuilding Skyrim from this stupid war. If you cannot aide in reuniting the people of this land to a better future, then you are of no worth to me or anyone else.
I will not kill anyone on ANY of your behest ever again. As long as there is life in my body, I shall never turn power back to you fools.
Are we clear here?
Dear gods this is beautiful
@@dragonfied321 Someone needs to fricking mod this!
The “hey Esbern” at the end really got me 😂
I used to feel impartial to Delphin because I simply saw her as a medium for the main plot. Now I think, damn, I really wish it was as easy to kill main characters as it is in Fallout: New Vegas.
Ah yes Daddy Tully
"we have nothing to talk about" , "yeh yeh, ju-just 3 words, ok?"
Ah yes, the only correct response:
Delphine: *exists*
Dragonborn: "And I took that personally."
I always beat the Civil War first
Yeah same I love the civil war
on PC you can do something like this:
- kill Paarthurnax, and instatly ressurect
-remove essential from delphine
-kill delphine with lightning spells (desintgration effect), but before use soul trap
results: quest is completed, Paarthurnax is alive, delphine isn't and her soul will by forever in soul cairn
When in doubt shout your problems away
May Kynareth have mercy on your soul and grant you wiiiiiings!
No
"This is the way"
The Mandalorian
I have spoken.
Hey Esbern...
Sup bro.
I solve it by making sure to get all I want from the blades before I get that far in the questlines. Then I am under no obligation to negotiate a truce or kill a slightly pedantic dragon. Delphine can go and sit on her thumb while I do the actually important stuff.
The should’ve added a “kill the blades” quest line or a “reform the blades” quest line in the anniversary edition so you don’t have to kill parthy
You already don't have to. You can just ignore the quest, or avoid getting it in the first place.
I've never understood why anyone would side with Delphine here. Even if Paarthurnax was terrible before, he very much isn't now, and he hasn't been for a long time. Meanwhile, Delphine literally decided the best way to meet you was to first steal a priceless artifact, thereby putting a massive detour into your quest of proper training, then claims to serve you while ordering you around and being the most useless piece on the chessboard. She never kills anything, and the only knowledge she does provide is the order of dragon's mounds being visited to let you (note: Not Delphine. She doesn't do anything. She just watches Alduin attack a town.) save Kynesgrove and confirm that it's actually Alduin and not some random dragon. She does literally nothing else for you, not even any gear in case you're going into this with basic bitch iron, or so much as a SINGLE coin. She's in no place to ask you anything, especially not to hold someone's past against them.
You help her bring back a dead faction (blades) by your self….kill a dragon just to prove to her that you’re dragon born… open up sky heaven temple using your blood …. And she does does nothing to help out …. And demands you to kill the dragon that helps us out more than her …. And she goes and acts like that f that
I still have to wonder why Bethesda thought it was a good idea to force players to kill the most likeable dragon in the game without having a choice in it. (In theory)
I mean its not much of a dillema to kill Paarthurnax if theres no way to get around it is it? A more fitting dillema quest would be "Kill Paarthurnax or betray the Blades by killing the last remaining members instead" but I guess this was one of the many moments Bethesda didn't think things through
Betray the Blades? I never owed them any loyalty in the first place. I never took any oath to join them. They betrayed me when they decided I served them instead of the other way around... contrary to the oath THEY supposedly took.
i thought it'd be some great guide as to how to prevent delphine from wanting to kill parthurnaax and moving the story on peacefully.
Thats exactly what i got
The Blades are hypocrites. They call out the Imperials/Stormcloaks for fighting instead of focusing on the end of the world. But then refuse to put aside their hatred for Paarthurnax and help the Dragonborn kill Alduin.
Thats how you deal with traitors.
Delphine: Kill Parthurnax
DB, with a sly smile: I'll think about it
(runs to Solstheim, reaches, fights and subdues Miraak, tortures him into submission, comes back, follows main quest until facing Alduin again in Sovngarde, two Bend Will shouts dominate Alduin, ride him out of Sovngarde and has him tear down Sky Haven temple)
DB: Here's what I think of your demands, my dear ...
The one thing Delphine never thinks about, The Dragonborn is a Man/Mer(elf) shaped Dragon. What the writers forgot was to make the Blades as or more useful than Parthonax
I managed tae avoid the Paarthinax Dilemma altogether.
I ended the Civil War before meeting Paarthinax. Then when it was no longer needed, I stopped visiting the Blades.
Doing it this way let me see Sad Ulfric in Sovngarde which was nice.
Kodlak Whitemane was there as well, but I digress.
After getting to the Wall, there is never again any actual necessity to talk to the Blades, as far as the main quest is concerned. You lose out on some side quests, but they're pointless anyway and don't reward anything unique.
She didn't want to talk until paarthunax was dead
*NOW SHELL NEVER TALK AGAIN*
"If the blades wouldn't have been so arrogant, then maybe there would have been dragon allies in the fight against Alduin."
Without Parthurnaax, Alduin wouldn't have been defeated. She's literally telling the Dragonborn to kill the single most useful dragon to civilization
Don't forget Naffalar from ESO. He also helped the people and even gave them one of his horns that, when used, stuns enemy dragons.
@@dragondude9637 that is useful, but without parthurnaax the world would've ended
@@xanderdoss5665 I know, I spared him too. Plus I have the mod to put the Blades in their place.
@@dragondude9637 i went thru the mods and found that. Love it
Is there a way without mods to bring her to the dragon and use fury on her so they can fight each other?
Using console commands to teleport actors, yes.
@@dootpoot3648 Yeah but on console though?
@@knifequin5 no
Maybe attacking her until she becomes hostile and lure her all the way to party snacks? Tho she probably won't follow you through doors
@@esspooki3813 Idea time! Attack her, reach the door, use calm spell to calm her down, start dialogue and while she's talking enter through the door. She'll follow you inside. Attack her again, lead her to the courtyard door, repeat and then lead her to the throat of the world
Hold up, HOLD UP...is that Ghorbash the Iron Hand I see right there?
You beautiful, beautiful person. I've finally found another cultured individual
He’s Krona’s husband.
@@airshow406 I approve of this union
Go into the console, turn off Delphine's essentiality and kill her, no dilemma.
She only wants to use the Dragonborn as a tool for her own purposes, the Greybeards were right.
Hey! I just did this yesterday!
Delphine: "There's one more problem. We know about Paarthunax"
DB: "Sorry, I'm about to have a really bad sneeze."
[Shouts Delphine off of High Hrothgar]
Glad I wasn't the only one
I'm more in awe at the fact that I never knew you could negotiate a truce between the Stormcloaks and Imperials...
The cut off "Fus-" destroyed my sides xD
Imagine if Obsidian had written just this quest and the negotiations quest. Imagine how interesting the negotiations *could* be!!
Stop torturing us
Remember the Karthwasten Massacre that never happens in the game, but both sides blame the other for? Well, Bethesda didn't.
Refused to talk to Delphine or Esbern after the negotiations because that's when they bring up the quest. As they follow you around, lead them outside. (If you're on PC, make them non-essential.) Then throw them off the side of the mountain. You can keep your blade friends and they will be dead to never give you the quest. Otherwise all they do is say "we need to talk about parthenax."
Esbern: just keep walking just keep walking just keep...
That “Hey Esbern” was great.
Ahh Delphine, the only other character in Skyrim that I dislike more than Nazeem
She truly is the most terribly written character of all TES
That cutoff “fus-“ has me dead
Essential Delphine: thanks for the shortcut. Now, be a good Dragonborn and kill Paarthunax will you, hm?
i hope bethesda recognizes that killing paarthurnax is one of the most unpopular decisions in the entire community and decides to remove it from canon to reflect what 90% of players chose
One thing i did: As soon as the Truce meeting was over, while everyone is leaving i literally ran out the door to get as far from Delphine and did not let her talk to me. Once i left i fast travelled elsewhere, thus i had no quest to kill Paarthurnax and i would never bump into her outside as she would be at the Blades Temple all the time :)
The Blades in oblivion: All hail the Dragonborn!
"The Blades" in Skyrim: no, you do whatever I say otherwise we want nothing to do with you.
Delphine doesn't even deserve becoming a thrall that's only used to be fed one.