Retrofitting 3 phase RCBO's - Schneider Acti9 Vigi Unit's
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Yo! In this video I'm installing3 Phase RCBO's for the first time! In my 10 years I've never even seen one of these, and while i have provided additional protection to many 3 phase circuits, its never been via an all in one - board mounted device.
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Back in the day we were taught leave enough cable in the board to be able re route to anywhere in the board and no cable ties so you can trace the cable without putting tools into a panel
Ease of maintenance, safety and functionality are all irrelevant nowadays, all that matters is how pretty the wiring looks so you can show it off on youtube, to prove you're more anal than Artisan 🤣
Well its a solution.
Not particularly neat, the whole isobar thing is a bit dubious, a nice touch yes but is it really up to the job...?
This video is back to your best, real world work and informative! I started watching from the cannabis farm and haven’t left, keep up the good work mate.
Thanks man, ill deffo take that onboard!
Nice treat on a Sunday afternoon with a Mike video drop after climbing a mountain!
Hope your well mate #teamsparks
Thanks mark!
Here in Poland typical flat is provided with three phase supply, and induction ovens would be three phase by standard, dedicated circuit gets RCD typeA and MCB for home use (RCBOs are not so popular). Also very often used to protect typical home wallbox that would be 11kW, 3P16A. Costs circa 35EUR, VAT included. Infrastructure investments would benefit UK as well.
Thanks Mike, a really good presentation. It's good to see someone, for whom doing things the right way is just the natural thing to do, at work.
Quality content as usual, head and shoulders above any others on here.
Interesting stuff Mike. Good video
Great to watch
Real life sparkie work great job mike like always mate
Great video, very informative 👍.
7:11 I know exactly what would happen if that was me 😂
Another awesome video Mikey! Schneider is good gear. I've got the baby "Max 9" domestic system which is branded Clipsal in Australia. Clipsal started way back in 1920 and was bought by Schneider in 2003
Love those boards! Best in class for sure 👌
There absolute garbage,.. taking up 8 ways for a mcb and rcd together witch u call a "rcbo" . Hager and garo do a proper 4pole 3phase rcbo...
Very interesting. Thank you from Kazakhstan.
The amount of ways they take up is criminal. Why cant they just make a 3 phase RCBO - LONGER, instead of wider... There so much space to the left and right from there they clip on the din rails.
26:40 For this I love the European way with point at down or up to point-over-connector where do you can use slack-free to your devices in correct length. At this old way where a cable can use differently position I use for all cable the longest way with slack for all cables. Here it is forbidden to tie together raw cables so we use the plastic around the cable to bind them together or marked them. Without slack do you have many Wagos inside in short time after do you reconfiguration all CU boards every one till two years. Good to see at this *new* kitchen!
BTW: How do you testing your finish CU board if the device not de-plugable?
Great video 👌🏻
I'm not sure if the A Type RCD testing you did was for your cert or just an extra testing to prove the manufacturer's product.
For the cert, you just need to test is at 1x 30mA on the AC wave.
Got to admit the 1st 2 seconds of that. I was expecting to hear. "Hi I'm mike page and welcome to kitchen nightmares"
Great video, thanks for uploading, wouldn´t one be able to fit an isolator at the other end of the circuit replacing the 32A TP socket outlet? Doesn´t look like they'll be using the sockets for anything else...
We wanted to do that, its always the easy fix, but it wasn't an option for various reasons this time 👍
I know it doesn’t look good using different branded breakers in the same board but have you looked into the NHP range of 3ph RCBO’s? They’ve got several that only take up 3 poles and come with a neutral tail for the line side so you don’t have to modify the chassis.
Only problem is they run a little hot (measured 49 degrees Celsius just being powered up with no load on a FLIR).
25:16 😂 good recovery
I work in a Plating factory and use 3 phase acti 9 isobar DB's. The TP RCBO's take up too much precious room in the DB. I would usually look to fit the RCD in a separate dedicated IP rated enclosure outside the board. Possibly would have fitted them above the trunking with clear lid enclosure.
Great video so interesting
Well done 🎉
Nice video. I thought they would cost a bomb but they’re like
Great video mate, its a shame they don't make them like the old Eaton pods, 6 of those bad boys and that board is pretty much done, gotta love Schneider gear though, always top quailty ... You need a Veto discount too bud 😉
Another great video . Surprised by the cost of the add on device , Schneider usually £££££
Yeah they are pretty reasonable aren't they!
These are very rare but ive seen some similar ones made by hager not sure how they picked up the neutral though.
All the best mike 👍
Been a long 10 days ⚡️👌
I fitted one of these a few months back, the neutral link threw me off 😂 I didn’t believe how it was suppose to go together.
Might be missing something but why dont they just use the PON? why go through the effort of creating a whole kit to reconfigure the board when they could just use the exisitng neutral bar behind the breaker positions
you may want to look into the DS203NC series from ABB 😅
Proteus do one that's a "single" three phase breaker width, as in it takes up the same space as a normal three phase breaker instead of being twice as wide.
Get some inline/splice wagos. Far neater for extending cables
What torque screwdriver do you recommend getting? So many options but dont know what range i want in NM.
Thanks in advance
1:46 Battered sockets! I thought it was usually the fish that got battered!
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Mike Do you rate the Wera torque screwdriver over the Armeg? I have a Draper one and its flogged! or do you have any other suggestions?
I love the wera but you cant beat the wiha for the price, it has a range that covers all devices, the wera doesn't so i have to get my mini torque wrench out sometimes 👍
Honestly I'm a bit confused. I'm no electrician, but I've installed a few 3 phase RCBOs, and I've seen several in residential distribution boards even. Maybe they're just more popular in The Netherlands where I live. However, I've never seen one that is so huge! All of the 3 phase RCBOs that I've seen in use were just 4 modules wide, just like a 3 phase plus neutral MCB. The specs of this combination thing that you even have to assemble like it's from Ikea don't seem too different either. Do you happen to know what the advantages are of this kit, compared to a 4 pole 4 module RCBO?
Great video again Mike, the inside part of the distribution board is or was also sold separately to go in other enclosures as you mentioned is called a pan assembly. Don't they do a 4-pole RCBO with a neutral flylead that would have taken up fewer ways and would probably be less expensive? I don't know what would happened if there was not so many spare ways. I had to do something similar in a new installation but it was designed with a 4-pole RCD on din rails in an adjacent enclosure it looked like there was no room there.
That's it! - they do a 3 pole with fly lead, doesn't appear to be available in the UK, they also do a 4 pole without the vigi unit but its "discontinued" on their website, i rang Schneider to get that parts and this is what the spec'd and was the only option, even if it is a little obnoxious, thanks for tuning in!
@@residualelectrical Eaton do. Hope things are not so stressful for you now after the other week.
I’m looking at getting a Martindale VT28PD`S. have you used it or do you know anyone who has got one. I’m looking at a good tester
Plus videos are great. Keep going.
Can't speak for the martindale's but it is a decent brand, thanks for watching!
What torque for tightening? 2nm?
Not picking fault but more curious as to why the upgrade and not a recommended upgrade for the rcd protection? Or have you got a golden nugget customer that actually listens to good advice?
Not finished the video yet is this not just an 3pole mcb with a vigi unit?
I don’t get it. If it’s PoN board, why they are not making RCBOs pick up neutral from the little plug-in neutral slot
it's hard not to be a schneider bumboy. i like their contactors that interlock for star delta on plant equipment
Yeah, they make some quality kit!
Proteus ones take up less space
What a strange mcb
Silly question...but why didn't you install a Schneider 32A, 30mA, 4 pole RCBO? It'd take up less space within the board itself, and save you from joining together the MCB & RCD...
Yer but that’s boring 😂
Because RCDs don't offer over current protection.....
RCBOs offer over current protection. We use these all the time in Norway@@rhysboni6329
RCBO is a combined breaker providing both over current and eart fault protection using only 4 modules. We use these all the time in Norway.@@rhysboni6329
Schneider also has iC60 RCBO devices, that only take up 4 ways, just like any 4-pole breaker.
Those separate RCD units have no real upsides, imho. Especially since over here in the Netherlands, we use 4-pole breakers anyway, so it's an easy swap over. Fits on the same 4 pole busbar.
I think I heard you say that it's a plug-on natural board. If that's the case, why do you need the new neutral bar?
The plug in neutral and earth is to eliminate the need of fly leads for your rcbos👍🏻
@@jamesscott1060 Exactly... so why does he need to install a second neutral bar for the RCBOs he's fitting in this video?
@@jamesscott1060 Exactly... so why does he need to install a second neutral bar for the RCBOs he's fitting in this video?
@@CoolerQ because Schneider do not offer a three phase RCBO that utilises the PON system, only single phase. They really should do though.
They also do a three pole RCBO
Don't think they are available in the UK, the Schneider ones that is.
Hello yer I have had quite a few they were a bit hard to get hold of but Eddie’s ordered them for me the part numbers have changed recently I can forward the part numbers if you want them
Three phase RCBOs are 4-pole in Europe. This is for a reason most countries allow mechanical (based on Ferranti coil), and not electronic RCDs.
Why not use a 3 pole mcb and run the fly lead to the neutral bar
You can fit a Vigi to a 3 pole MCB. I'm pretty sure that is why the neutral is a flylead rather than being a bus stab like the phase connections.
If there is an upstream RCD (for example a TT supply) then you need to isolate the neutral. IIRC some loads (EV chargers spring to mind) also require a RCD that isolates the neutral by regulation.
Beyond that, a place that is fitting Schneider isobar distribution boards, probablly isn't a place that is going in for "minimum legal spec".
Dont like the design loosing 4 ways in the board plus why dont they just use a flying lead for the neutral
RCD requirement for a 3phase plug in a professional kitchen is just dumb
it is and it isn't i guess, we did want to just lose the sockets, but wasn't an option.
No, it is not. Then you as electrician do not known and not seen what the owner of this installed socket put on this socket! It is easy to use an other device now! Possible it is a machine with metall outside and a user of this machine with wet hands and the machine overheated. Or they use a 50m power line to the outside swimming pool, or ...
Exactly for this do you use a machine without a plug so do you known all specification from start to end. Do you can set controlled devices before (e.g. RCD) and then some MCB's up to you. So I love the RCBO's (here in EU Schneider sell them 1p, 2p, 3p with N) how I use for most machinery things too.
Wicked video buddy, question 1. Being configured like that your potentially across 2 different phase ie 1l12l13l1 as normal but here you'd be 2l13l12l1 if that makes sense atall.
So phase aren't balanced correctly 🤔😬🙌
its using all 3 phases, in the correct phase rotation, its just in a different visual order if that makes sense.
@@residualelectrical oh yeah it well kinda dose sort off long day hitting the books I guess for simplest way would be 1,2,3 the norm now it's 2,3,1 so 2,3 are one side and three is different so turning 2,3 off but 1 would still be on tell me if I'm over thinking this one please buddy 😀 🙌🤣😆
But they do make 4 way RCBO's. Those vertical panels are a nuisance. In Europe we have horizontal panels and I also build mine horizontal. There is absolutely no need for a 7 way device.
I literally range Schneider UK technical to spec all the parts for the job and asked for a 4 way RCBO, these are the parts they specified.
@@residualelectrical So how much did that cost compared to a 4way RCBO? In Europe I design my own panels so I choose my own materials. I can see that in UK you're either obliged to use semi-fab panels or your installations are highly standardized.One of your advantages is the ring circuit because of the fused receptacles.
Why didnt you just use a threephase breaker with intergrated RCD instead of this monster
Not cheap