Major Controversy at the Hertz PPA Championships
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Salome Devidze has been in the lime light of Pickleball recently for all the wrong reasons.
Her last several tournaments have led to several controversial matches regarding extremely close line calls. There have even been matches this year where opposing players have requested up to 5 or more refs to cover each line. She is a great player, but some of these calls and the reputation she is getting on tour isn't the best look.
Let me know your thought on this player and your take on the line calls.
I hope you enjoy the video!
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The commentator said, "Crazy enough, the referee actually overturned the call." Well, there's nothing crazy about that at all...we do that all the time as referees.
The first 2 ball calls were in. The rest were out. I was there with a 16k 2000 fps camera and confirmed it.
good work thunderfat
I think the days of players making their own line calls are numbered. It was cool while it lasted, but there's getting to be too much money at stake to trust people who are making their living at the sport to call balls in that are questionable.
haha I can't believe a pro tournament lets you make your own calls. Imagine if nba, nfl, soccer let pros make their own foul calls. It doesn't make any sense
@@LegolasD It doesn't make sense for those sports because they have long ago dropped honesty and sportsmanship in favor of money. When there was almost no money in Pickleball, people made honest calls and gave their opponents the benefit of the doubt. Now that the money is increasing, it's starting to get more like those other sports.
I totally agree. It’s not even a fair thing to ask a competitor to do. Those were all crazy close.
I don’t feel it’s about honesty. I’m sure you play the game and when you were trying to strike a ball and determine if it’s a half inch one way or the other it’s extremely difficult. It’s just a poor system that needs to be fixed as the sport gains more equity.
@@EricS939 For sure, most incorrect calls are seen the way they are called, and are a mistake rather than a lie. But there have been a couple of cases lately that were pretty bad, and even some cases of a player conspicuously calling an opponent's shot out as revenge for a call they thought was bad. In most cases overturned by the ref.
A universal problem in pickleball, you'd think that by now they would have line judges or video for ALL of the pro matches.
There should be 4 line judges. I do not trust my opponents line calls when money is in the basket.....
i think the problem in singles is the perspective is so different from one part of the court to another. in doubles you tend to have more sets of eyes and from more angles so there are less problematic calls. singles line calling is really tough. gonna need line calling tech soon
Absolutely
If only there was some sort of tech that could be used to make the right call every time. 😅
There is it was used at national seem to recall her challenges were all upheld and no call was overturned - hmmm seems she would want video review
In some tennis matches they do have technology that is accepted by the players.
@@toms9864 agreed it’s time - she said on live stream the other day she can’t wait for it
lol, yup, but pickleball doesn't warrant the expense because it sucks! lololol It's fun but on a scale of 1 to Tennis (10) it's only a 2. 😏
There is.
Why in the world don't they have more cameras set up? That seems like a no brainier easy way to look back and tell.
#GoPro
It seems that one solution is to use something like the mechanisms sold by inout/tennis. While it might be a bit of a problem since at least for now, you have to put the machine on a tripod 2-4 feet from the outside lines. This kind of kills the ATP, but it avoids the drama of line calls in major money tournaments. It seems that the APP and/or PPA can afford the approximate $600 for two mechanisms which are needed for doubles matches. Supposedly, you only need one for singles matches. Just a thought.
Strap a Go Pro to the net bar. Ground level view with must better resolution than what we're seeing now.
We just need real line judges for the Pros. The ref needs to be up on a chair to get better views of the lines. Pickleball and tennis might have their issues with each other but have lots to learn from each other.
Even if we overlook the obvious conflict of interest when you're moving and playing you simply don't get the same accuracy as someone stationary. It is embarrassing for PB that players call their own lines. As the sport goes more mainstream we need dedicated line callers.
That can be worse. Technology is the answer.
@@joemarshall4226 I agree technology will be even more accurate, but until that is put in place, lines people should be calling the ball. Yes there is human error, but much less than a player even if they are being honest.
@@weplayyouratepickleball7498 I'm not sure about that. I think the calls in this video are mostly correct, and all of them were very close....hard to argue either way. One hopes that lines people are honest, but they can get distracted and make horrible calls that the entire stadium knows are wrong, but there's no way to overturn them. One hting they can do is have a roving umpire who only overrules if he is asked. For instance, a team calls a ball out, and the other team disagrees. The team that disagrees asks the official to over-rule. He overrules ONLY IF HE IS POSITIVE the call was incorrect. that's how they do it in college tennis most of the time.
It seems to me it would not be that hard or expensive to put cameras somewhere like on the bottom net bar to see ground level and "clear" picture to make a decision. The money is there now that MLP is established.
1:10 do these “professional” games but have actual line cameras for replay? The replays are like 30fps cell phone cameras?
I've watched Davidze in many matches. She's a blatant cheater. Something needs to be done. It's a very bad look for professional pickleball. Use line judges.
Agreeeeeee
Wrong look at the replays and the facts wrong
I watched a lot too, I also watched one game she played on site. I never feel she cheated in any game.
@@meihao2002 watch highlights of her championship match vs ALW. She tried to call a ball out that was in by 1+ feet.
@@meihao2002 Watch the Jorja Johnson game.
Salome is ruining Pickleball with her horrible calls in every single game.
Never have we seen so much controversy ever since she started playing Pickleball. Every single match involving her is just full of controversy
Ridiculous - only calls overturned it’s her opponents
Refs on all 4 corners for ALL Salome matches🤣
@@kimleith1378 if you listen to her interviews she wants them and wants replay - not many cheaters want transparency …
@@sandon212 Not calling her a "cheater" but she does challenge calls that she does not have the best angle on. Maybe a challenge limit per match would calm things down a bit. Just saying..
@@kimleith1378 yup could help-but they just need to invest a few thousand - they had it at nationals and I think pretty much every call went her way which was pretty wild. Possible “tennis pros” have more experience on line calls. For me the crazy thing is the ball doesn’t compress and players and umps are supposed to make line calls - they can’t actually see what is touching the line often apparently…
Most are so close, and with a ball that can slide when it touches the ground, nearly impossible to see with the human eye. At some point, they need to add more advanced cameras on all lines that can call these shots quickly.
Nothing but a couple of dirty cheaters…..and one classless piece who abandons her partner without notice.
Yeah n now let's introduce gambling into the already questionable line calls. The game needs some integrity. Pro WDs was a joke!!
It’s like college tennis with kids hooking each other on every ball near a line. It’s pretty ridiculous. Unfortunately, there’s not enough money in Pickleball to afford accurate technology or lines people
If in doubt, call it out!
If just doubt, that should be in
Yeah, unfortunately player integrity is on the line here. It appears that neither one has it. They both knew the right calls. It was more of a pissing match than an honest battle (at least when it came to the close line calls).
its impossiple for the eye to make an accurate call even if your standing on top of it..need tennis hawkeye
When it’s close the ball is always in. Right? If you’re not sure, it’s in. It’s only a game. Win with grace! Lose with Grace!
The controversy goes both ways on this one.
Calls 1&2, too close to call out (from video).
Calls 3&5, definitely, clearly out. Call 4 was behind the sign.
my wife does this to me as well...
I believe the ppa should bring on more refs to these quick and fast moving games it’s clearly not enough for the two on the middle of the court maybe should try 6 so each corner gets watched, though as a player call it how you see it if it gets overturned than no player should have frustration to the refs call only their own change of game.
Davidze should just go back to Tennis and let her be the Drama Queen of Tennis
This is pure BS with these prima-donna Tennis players
It’s “OUT!” Half the ball is OUT
The pickleball “doesn’t compress like tennis ball.
That’s what happens when you change the rule on line calls!!!!!!!!!!!
Get some line judges! This is ridiculous.
what you said at the end was perfect, if a player has a habit of cheating they need to be penalized for it. This happens at every tournament she plays in
At this level, laser tracking seems warranted. It costs about $700 per day per court at a bulk rate but it ends controversies before they start 🤔
Professional PB is a joke. It tries sooo hard to portray itself as "professional" but in the areas that matter it falls way short. Several years ago before the PB explosion of billionaires and bigger purses it was always taught that no one should make a line call other than the player closest to the ball. This was based on all the obvious reasons. Now you have judges making calls from across the court and using replays of the same camera angles that they show on TV which are essentially useless for that purpose. Until the "billionaires" are willing to install the cyclops system used in tennis, line calls will have no integrity whatsoever. PB will continue to be "amatuer hour" whether it's on the Tennis Channel or not.
Line calls should be from the refs only. It's too much to put on the players, nuff said!
Just to remind everyone, the players chose to get rid of lines people and make their own calls. Back when there were lines people, the calls were equally atrocious, due to inexperience or just plain ignorance.
It is time for line judges
I play for fun with a group of mostly seniors and people make HORRIBLE calls all the time. Especially on baseline shots when the player is looking straight down at the ball. They call all these shots out, when an observer from off the court sees that they are clearly in. Tennis has a good way to deal with this. "When in doubt, the ball is IN" Or "99% OUT is 100% IN" PIckleball changed the definition of out and in. When I first started playing, I was told that you judge in or out based on the center of the ball. Now the rule is "if you can SEE a piece of the color next to the white line, it's out". Now that is kind of weird, because it has a lot to do with your perspective. From one angle, you might be able to see a slice of the color, but form another angle, you can't. Back in the McEnroe-Connors era, they used to use volunteers form the crowd to call lines sometimes! There weren't full time professionally trained line callers! They blew a LOT of calls. Eventually, intimidating the lines people became part of the game. Ilie Nastase was the chief culpritt here, then Connors, then Mac, who was actually quite polite when he started. But even trained umpires make horrible calls, and the chir umpires made horrible overrules that cost players matches.....Serena Williams had a match robbed form her in the semifinals of the US Open, against Jennifer Capriati, with four bad calls/overrules Then tennis introduced the challenge system, where a computer compiles 12 different camera images and makes the call. It really cuts down on arguments, which takes away some drama, but is more fair. I think you will find that line callers won't help. The players actually make better calls than the line judges, because they are more intensely involved. All the calls in this match were very very close, and it's understandable how they could go either way.
@Gavin Shuell You're sure you're not anti-black?. I'm not black. And what I said about Serena and changing the to the challenge system after she was robbed is true. She was remarkably controlled during that bout of pure highway robbery by a female official who had no business being in the chair at that time, but was promoted because the regular chair umpires had been suspended for selling their comp tickets at the Olympics. Serena was not at her best when she got called for the questionable foot fault, a point away from match point. But this has nothing to do with what I said....here's the incident I'm talking about: czcams.com/video/F4mGqwA7cCM/video.html when you see how she was robbed here, it helps you understand how she got so upset when she got called for that foot fault.
Serena really wanted to win the US Open because she's an American, and after the robbery when she was young, ti effected her when she lost it on two other occasions. Her behavior at other tournaments was always pretty good, and she has always been a gracious loser.
@Gavin Shuell "Gorilla grunts"...and you are not anti-black? The truth is, her sister used to grunt louder than her, and Maria Sharapova, the blonde Russian screeched louder than them. Monica Seles, also a blonde, was the first to do it. It's part of the game now, and is perfectly accepted. Everyone does it to some degree. I'm not crazy about it, but blame the ones who make the rules, not the players. Serena is a drama queen, to be sure, but if you actually look at the video I sent (it's not long), you will see how she was robbed at a very big match as very few players were ever robbed...and her behavior was amazingly under control. I would have gone through the roof. McEnroe would have shot the officials.
@Gavin Shuell You don't watch tennis. Even when she lost in the foot fault match, she got mad at the official, but went calmly up to Kim Clijsters, shook her hand, and wished her well. She suffers from bad migraines all the time, and can get emotional, but she doesn't take it out on the opponent most of the time. She is well liked by the other players. The US Open is different. taht's where she was at her worst.
@Gavin Shuell No, you hate her. I have met players and their families, and they speak highly of Serena. Caroline Wazniacki was her best friend on tour.
Can't believe a professional sport has players calling their own lines. Very amateurish. Let the umpire call them.
Was inevitable that with all the rules changes and players not being honest like the old days.
Like in tennis, your eyes see what you WANT to see as the outcome.
A Hawkeye-type automated line calling system seems the only way fwd for this sport.
No one is at fault here. They're all doing their job. It's time to invest in technology that can capture all angles that human eye cannot. And I approved this comment. haha
She's a cheater. And she thinks everyone is cheating her, lots of the calls she complains about are clearly out. Then she feels justified in retaliation calls. Gross
Only call overturned was on the other player - interesting
What are you waiting for? It’s time for Hawkeye at tournaments.
Hawkeye takes a couple days to set up and costs 50k. And that is just to rent the service, you never own it.
@@markolmstead4709 For national tournament play would that not be a reasonable expense? And doesn’t the “high cost” present an opportunity for a less costly developer to go after the pickleball market? Jus sayin’
Why not a Go Pro strapped to the bottom bar??
I believed the video indicated that two line calls were overturned in Salome favor by the line judges. Yet you make it out that Salome was the bad person.
Making someone look good or bad is not judge's work, his job is making right decision. I don't think the judge did favour to anyone. If judge says it is in, it is in. And look at the vedio, I think they made the right decision.
sounds like it to me too
I think the point he was making is that Salome always has numerous controversial calls. Besides, Salome called the first one out that, to me, looked clearly in. Then Parenteau called one out that was definitely in, and then the fun began. It's no surprise to me that these two are the ones that got into this. IMO, they both tend to see things whatever way benefits them.
She is a bad person because she has a history of making bad calls. She did this against.Jorja Johnson and it was blatant cheating.
The thing about people who make bad line calls that shows that they are cheaters is that they never make bad line calls in the opponents’ favor, only their own.
@@WisGuy4 I agree 100%. The call she made against Jorja was disgusting. It was in by so much that it wasn't even close to the line.
These refs really need a tuneup. The player shouldn’t have to call Balls in or out if they are referees.
Its the problem when tennis players first join pickleball. The ball does not compress like a tennis ball so it does not hit the line. They do need some line judges in pickleball though.
You need line judges on both sides of the court.
Ihe remedy of the solution is to make all the call OUT even if the ball landed on the outer side of the line,.
use computer to avoid those situations
at 2:14 you can SEE the gap between the ball and line - this narrator must be drunk
Why not install the eagle eye system?
$$$$$$
They better fix this problem, or it is going to be downfall of this sport
Something has to be done about the line calls. Devidze has this issue with every single match. Whether she is actually seeing the ball the way she calls it or not, it is often not the right call and the refs should overturn any they think is called wrong. They need more refs for the matches sh is playing in. Normally the pros lean to the side of error if it is that close and continue playing or give it to the opponent when that close. I am glad to see Parenteau give her back some of her own medicine. She doesn’t like it. Too bad she won by cheating though.
Funny how the only call overturned was for her …
I agree 100% with you. The way she cheated against Jorge Johnson was disgusting.
@@user-gc6vr7oy1o except when you watch CP calls more balls out than her…interesting strategy let’s go to a tournament and ask her if it’s true!
@@user-gc6vr7oy1o lol watch little closer in 2023 :)
@@user-gc6vr7oy1o funny how trolls always get personal for no reason - have a lovely 2023
Devidze, Lea Jansen and Leigh Waters all remind me of tennis players like Jelena Ostapenko and Yulia Putinseva. It’s so disappointing to admire someone who plays so well but is such a bad sport.
Salome is a cheater
Every player should call anything close out against her from now on
What a horrible person
Time for hawk eye!
No t rocket science! Refs need to be at every match!
The push back is about $$$$.Even using volunteers would be better than what's being done.
Professional level you need Hawk Eye some advice from a Tennis Player
both at fault lol so many poor calls
these girls need more diversity. that's the problem
Wiffle ball with a paddle ,such garbage
lol
Parenteau tried to screw her, and got screwed back. You say Salome has been in the controversy....? Ditto.
Video play proves that even Refs and line judges make bad calls when it's that close. I guess they're screwing the players too. 🙄 It's once they started the pissing contest that it went badly, and both were responsible for that. That's the cost of cutting it so close without a Challenge option and Replay feature.
This sport must be banned it won't lasts long, even if it implements line challenge. This sport has no physical ability.
I like it bc i can still be fat and out of shape and be good in doubles. Look at that female powerlifter who is fat and very good!!!
The consensus among pro tennis players who play pickleball is that singles pickleball is more intense and more physically demanding than singles tennis (of course ignoring the sheer time length of a tennis game).
This is tongue in cheek or you obviously have not played the sport.
@@scottrobbins2416 Could be "hater bait"
Definitely they are cheating on their calls!!
This game is a joke. Where are the line cams?