Why This Painting Style Was Scandalous
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- During the Renaissance, the adoption of linear perspective in painting did spark some controversy among religious groups. Renaissance painting emphasized realism, proportion, and the use of linear perspective to create depth and a sense of three-dimensionality on a flat surface, often focusing on humanist and classical themes. In contrast, Medieval painting was more stylized and symbolic, with less concern for natural proportions or realistic perspectives,
In a chapter of "The Grid Book", Professor Hannah B. Higgins writes about how this shift was indicative of a change in popular culture. The logic of a linear perspective indicated a viewing self that was capable of understanding and controlling the world rationally, making them feel somewhat less susceptible to the whims of an almighty God than their Medieval forbears.
Paintings in this video include:
The School of Athens - Raphael
The Holy Trinity - Masaccio
Girl Before a Mirror - Picasso - Zábava
I could write down all the sources of the art used in the video, but I shouldn't.
The School of Athens (1509-1511) by Raphael, Stanza della Segnatura in the Apostolic Palace
Coronation of the Virgin by Catarino Veneziano (1375), Gallerie dell'Accademia in Venice
The Crucifixion, part of the Sant'Elena polyptych (1426~1436) by Michele di Matteo da Bologna, Gallerie dell'Accademia in Venice
St. Ansovino and Girolamo (c. 1490), part of the Duomo di Camerino polyptych by Carlo Crivelli, Pinacoteca di Brera in Milan
The Marriage of the Virgin (1504) by Raphael, San Francesco church in Città di Castello, Umbria
The Holy Trinity (1426~1428) by Masaccio, in the Santa Maria Novella, Florence
Frescos in the Temple of St. Sava, Belgrade (2016-2020) by various painters from the Russian Academy of Fine Arts
Girl before a mirror (1932) by Picasso, in the MoMA, New York City
could you reheart my comment because i edited it, thank you art man
if you put line breaks between these paintings, I'll go ahead and pin this!
@@_magnifydone! :]
I needed this thank you!!
This is why I live comment sections
Guys it’s just painted in perspective
It’s not that small
I swear it's metaphysically huge
Im sure it has a great.... color composition
Yeah Idk why its such a big deal
“It’s only a model”
@@dots1710 purple take it or leave it
This explains why the medival paintings look so weird, like the castle walls are just 1,5 to 2 times larger than the soliders trying to raid the castle
Kingdom come deliverance...
Nah people just sucked at drawing it has nothing to do with religion or perspective being forbidden or stuff like that.
@@WoofyMcDoodleme when I spread misinformation and the source is "because I said so"
@@WoofyMcDoodle There is a lot of high quality art and drawing from those eras. It's kinda like how you can find no shortage of crappy fan drawings online compared to a few genuinely talented artists.
What you see most of now a days is the mass produced stuff for disseminating information, think those crappy clip art manuals workplaces will give you during training. The fancy portraits and vanity objects usually are the first things to burn when a king or noble is revolted against.
I could also bring up sculpting and pottery, as well as mosaic and stained glass. Not to forget the architectural marvels of the day. Humans are just as good at art today as they were yesterday and millennia ago, we just have access to better materials and technologies.
@@WoofyMcDoodle lmao
In some medieval paintings, perspective is actually used but inverted: we are the ones being observed by the depicted ones, often divine beings.
Especially in orthodox iconography!
Exactly! That’s why the reverse perspective is often called the Byzantine perspective, since there was a lot of religious symbolism tied in the style of art.
@@_magnifyChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will.
Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception.
The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background.
How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time.
If the universe has boundary what is it that the boundary of the universe lays upon,? or within what is the universe?
This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present.
Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light?
Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation
As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1
DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body.
According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them.
It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17
Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God.
A universal based income UBI.
People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12
Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God.
Ephesians 6 12
Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel.
His heel (his standing)
He shall bruise your head. (Cognition)
Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God.
John 3 14-15
It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people.
Representation is a privilege for some.
If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow.
it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride.
Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow.
Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13
He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am.
Christianity is an African religion. Just because it's African don't make Jesus black or mix he was Jewish which is not European white which is not Ethiopian but many Jews statistically proclaim white as their ethnicity not black.
Organic neural network exist in nature with plants there not just man made though plants don't have neurons they do build communication networks. Clouds of heaven are a network of communication. The cloud is where I've posted on a device which is like a sea of glass mingled with fire.
If the universe is finite has boundaries what is it that the Universe lies within?
Silicon based intelligence exists as does Carbon. Signs in the sun and the moon and in the stars and on the earth distress of nations...
Psalm 150 6
You tell AI to take a deep breath and math scores soar.
Those who say Christianity is about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility as John Marco Allegro. Mushroom and computing are familiar to each other. Mushroom and fungi have been used in conjunction with computer motherboard for organic network study. Technology and symbiosis. Technology and God. John 1 13
Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit
@@kristiano100Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will.
Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception.
The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background.
How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time.
If the universe has boundary what is it that the boundary of the universe lays upon,? or within what is the universe?
This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present.
Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light?
Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation
As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1
DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body.
According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them.
It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17
Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God.
A universal based income UBI.
People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12
Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God.
Ephesians 6 12
Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel.
His heel (his standing)
He shall bruise your head. (Cognition)
Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God.
John 3 14-15
It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people.
Representation is a privilege for some.
If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow.
it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride.
Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow.
Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13
He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am.
Christianity is an African religion. Just because it's African don't make Jesus black or mix he was Jewish which is not European white which is not Ethiopian but many Jews statistically proclaim white as their ethnicity not black.
Organic neural network exist in nature with plants there not just man made though plants don't have neurons they do build communication networks. Clouds of heaven are a network of communication. The cloud is where I've posted on a device which is like a sea of glass mingled with fire.
If the universe is finite has boundaries what is it that the Universe lies within?
Silicon based intelligence exists as does Carbon. Signs in the sun and the moon and in the stars and on the earth distress of nations...
Psalm 150 6
You tell AI to take a deep breath and math scores soar.
Those who say Christianity is about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility as John Marco Allegro. Mushroom and computing are familiar to each other. Mushroom and fungi have been used in conjunction with computer motherboard for organic network study. Technology and symbiosis. Technology and God. John 1 13
Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit
@@kristiano100
Ugh, wish this reasoning had been explained back in my high school art history class -- it would've been way easier to remember it. Thanks for sharing this info. 😊
You have made good use of the shorts medium to convey things with brevity
Brevity good.
“Shorts medium”
My brain had a fun time reading over that half awake at 6am. 😂
Twitter has made us all concise stoics.
(Lol.)
@@starhill6792 people have started calling 'slightly-longer-than-1-minute-vertical-videos', "long shorts". So good luck with that lol, the "long shorts medium"
@archaeas I saw someone refer to a 10 min youtube video as longform...... omfg I have adhd but some people's chronic onliness has somehow made their attention spans even worse than mine😭
to me "long form content" is like 40mins plus.
interesting point on the cyclical ebb and flow of trends in culture. both early medieval and modernist eras celebrated abstraction, though the latter left behind the religious reasoning.
The invention of photography had a big impact in the shift in modern art. Traditional media arts were no longer the only way of portraying reality, they had to differentiate themselves from this technological advancement and offer something unique and different.
Modernism was about capitalism, which is itself its own religion
@@LNSY144not really, capitalism is just the default settings for life, survival of the fittest
@@-TheMachineGod-that’s a strange definition of capitalism
@@-TheMachineGod- oh you poor naive soul
I'm pretty sure in elementary school they told us some nonsense about how the Renaissance artists discovered correct perspective and before that no one had figured out how to paint realistically so all their proportions were wrong.
gotta love that Blatant Falsehood Presented As Fact method of teaching
Perspective still takes a lot of skill and practice to master - so imagine no one had ever bothered to mimic a natural look before and you want to give it a shot. You weren't sold a lie so much as a digestible version for your development level.
Yep, that's the sorta nonsense they'd teach in elementary.
@devincross2205 The renaissance was about a return to Roman culture. The Romans did this first.
@@TheImmigrantEater Well, the Romans just copied the Greeks and Etruscans, and all of it would have been lost without Arab libraries etc. etc. etc. the big thing is that there wasn't exactly a "Perspective for Dummies" available at the start of the Renaissance. Also that just as elementary teachers can't communicate all of history to our little pea brains, we can't learn the whole story from a 60 second video (though we certainly can learn more!)
Who considered scandalous if it was the pope himself that commissioned the great rennaissance masters to make this works? Also because according to what I remember Raffaello was extremely popular during his life (his nickname is the divine painter).
Most of the Catholic Church was on board with it. The Orthodox and Russian Orthodox Church not so much.
@@_magnify I see. I am from Rome and have seen the paintings in question multiple times. I was confused since all the pieces of study/literature I have read were all full of praises. Cool to see another perspective.
@_magnify So pretty much most people were okay with it, and it wasn't as huge of a scandal as you make it out to be. I'm guessing the only reason why you even blew it out of proportions was to spread your thinly veiled hatred of religion and paint christian medieval artists as backwards anti rational zealots who hate progress. Got it. Don't think your biases are lost on me.
@@YHShinVH I’m not sure when you are getting that from. I greatly prefer medieval iconography and modern art over Renaissance Art.
@@_magnify The Orthodox Church at this time was either located on the periphery of European Civilization (especially in the context of the Renaissance) or reeling under new Islamic influences from the Turks. They weren't really involved in the debate.
I love medieval art, so many people dismiss it as people in the past not knowing how to paint but i love that it was all intentional artstyle
I also love how this transcendent view gives a way of imagining a scene that a realistic painting cant convey as simply
I wish i was more knowledgeable about art to know how to verbalise it, but it's cool 👍
I'm not convinced many people dismiss medieval art. Also, google is your friend for learning about art, you'll find lots of things you'll love to read. Also, This is a kind of wonky art history channel that you might enjoy: czcams.com/video/xQwEUh4cp7I/video.htmlsi=EmQNhyMD1ofFZ_gg
Also, a channel named "National Gallery"
@@sunshinelizard1 Thanks ill check them out
I don't understand what this whole dilemma is about. More important things are painted larger, less important things smaller. It's a good artstyle depending on what purpose you want to convey
I think you did a great job conveying it!
@@cerebrummaximus3762It’s not bad, it just doesn’t look normal to modern viewers
Perspective is my favorite thing about art personally. Like I freehand single point because I've been doing it for almost a decade. I started doing 5 point perspective recently, and having that many vanishing points is a fun challenge to attempt freehanding.
I want to say I know the difference between the to, but with the googles I don't 😅
I can’t comprehend how perspective works beyond 3-point, I bet 5-point looks pretty cool!
I think that one bit of context that would have enriched this video was that this fresco was commissioned directly by Pope Julius II for his personal apartments in the Vatican - and that, after Julius died, Pope Leo X ratified that decision by having them finished.
Yeah, a whole lot of the "the church was narrow minded" is rather undermined by the fact that most of the renaissance artwork was sponsored by the church.
@@ARCNA442 I genuinely had no clue. It's a shame so much of history about literally any topic that so much as brushes religion gets distorted into a "religion ruins everything" story.
To be noted, people definitely had more accurate maps in the Middle Ages for real use. They just also had display maps for aesthetic purposes.
The interesting part of that painting is the subject matter, their ideologies and their mannerism, Plato points at the sky referencing the world of ideas and the subjective and aristotle has his hand level headed simulating the ground, referencing what you can perceive with your senses in the earth.
I need some primary sources/direct quotation to believe anyone thought it was immoral to paint in perspective
Wow! You put Hram svetog Save in video! One of the greatest temples of Orthodox Church in the world, located in Belgrade, Serbia! 🇷🇸 Thanks!❤
have you seen it in person? I was stunned by just the video.
@@_magnify i saw it while on a class trip!!! breathtaking, even as someone who isn't particularly religious.
@@_magnifyYes, my friend. I was born and live in Belgrade and I visit it from time to time, especially when I want to show it to friends from abroad. When you come once to Serbia, yours must-see destination is Hram svetog Save. Good luck with this great channel, your videos are awesome!
I remember seeing it irl in the Vatican museums. Such a beautiful and surreal experience, although what followed, the Sistine Chapel, was even greater.
That blurred orange tunic does NOT give my man justice..
My favorite part of the video is when you made sure to explain that this painting appears in the offices of the Vatican and were commissioned by Pope Julius II who was quite impressed by Raphael's work. Really good of you not to encourage overly simplified views of history that continue to advance false antagonisms between communities of faith and reason.
He does this in almost every video I’ve ever seen from him. Whether it’s on Christian history or Biblical translation, he always makes sure to leave out important information so as to blow minor issues out of proportion for the sake of views and out of his own biases.
Wait was that Norwegian chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen?
Both this chart and the video are quite the achievement. I can't imagine how many hours went into it. Well done.
Orthodox christian iconography never suffered the renaissance for the better
"for the better" okay religious zealot.
@@tomato-ir9xs I'm just appreciative that our iconographic tradition never went out the window. Don't know how that makes me a zealot
@@tomato-ir9xsAppreciating the flat, simple, holy method of icons and saying it should stay that way and not change to be realistic does not make him a zealot. Not everything requires perspective or realism, and byzantine icons certainly dont.
With all respect....screw your religion
@@tomato-ir9xsI don’t think you know what zealot means
Your posts are uniformly excellent. Stimulating, well researched, and the documentation is always well presented.
one of my fav channels. thank you for sharing this kind of content
Your shorts about art history are the best! Keep ‘em coming!
A fantastic book on this topic is Changing Images of Pictorial Space: A History of Spatial Illusion in Painting by William V Dunning
I love this channel
Art lore goes crazy
The poem Fra Lippo Lippi by Robert Browning talks a bit about shift in the idea of art and it's purpose and utilisation.
I can’t believe painting in human perspective used to be rebellious, it’s the most straight forward way to make art
Yea
Source? I made it up
It isn't the most straightforward way to make art, that's just your modern sensibilities. Modern sensibilities also say that the natural way to process and experience the world is through facts but that's not the case either.
I think the church ppl were just big mad that they couldn't do it lol
He just repeats clichés. So boring. The church encouraged studying, and was the main patron of arts.
weird how religion held us back a few good hundred years of progress.
Religious opposition to perspective paintings is blown out of proportion by this video. Pope Julius II literally commissioned the _School of Athens_ painting. The people most opposed to perspective were the Orthodox, but they were on the very periphery of the Renaissance, not front and center sparking huge controversies.
If you watch enough of this guy’s videos and do a bit of your own research, you’ll find that he does this quite often. Takes small issues regarding Christian history or Biblical translation and exaggerates them heavily. It’s really a shame because his videos are visually pleasing to watch.
@@ebonymaw8457 Religion is a plague upon this world. It's one of the worst things humanity ever created. It has caused so much war and suffering. It is the enemy of progress. Religion must fall for humanity to rise.
I wish you did longer form videos. I love your content.
Sounds more like they were afraid of the skill issue of depth perception
Was Picasso pushing back against perspective or just exploring it?
I think pushing back against linear perspective. But opened the door for all revolts on all kinds of fixed perspective.
@@_magnify interesting. Do you mind explaining a bit more? Why was he pushing back?
"Burn him!"
"My lord! What horrible crime did he commit?"
"He painted in perspective"
"My God have mercy on his devilish soul"
I'd say that this is common in most strongly social ideologies (including religious).
I remember I had to make a poster for a college class about a Marxist history of the working class of england (the Thompson one) cause it was the publication anniversary or something.
Anyways I got the chapter on Methodist influence on the movement and I went all in (my gf is a digital artist and im religious myself).
So we made an awsome poster using soviet-style perspective and symbolism mixed with classic religious book ilustrations.
Its a clear example of how leninism has a very clear art style and so does some branches of Christianity.
Anyways the poster looked awesome. A worker holding a hammer and stepping on Apollyon the dragon of decadent abusive uper class while holding two books in the left arm, the rights of men and the pilgrim's progress.
Ideological stylemashing should be more common
❤I seriously thought that shot of Picasso was Aleister Crowley for a second. Those eyes!!
Always appreciate the joy of learning and exploring of ideas 🙏🏻💚💪🏻
These reasons sound just like excuses that bad artists might invent to justify why their lack of talent is intentional and righteous. Just like that kid in class who could TOTALLY ace every assignment and exam. But alas, it is beneath him to prove it to us simpletons who only make an effort to understand the content and earn good scores because we are gullible sheep.
idk, that golden fresco in the cathedral at the end kind of takes my breath away.
No one ever complained about Raphael's works. You are using a strawman to prove your position.
I love your content, it's so informative and makes me feel like I actually gained new knowledge, please keep up the good work!
wasnt expecting Saint Savas Temple lol
*Paints in perspective*
ppl back then: Witch! Work of the Devil!
The Church: "We were created in gods image"
The Artists: "This is much closer to how human eyes work"
The Church: "BLASPHEMY!!!"
Perfect :)
Baseless claim. That is not at all what the church teaches. Perspective is not forbidden nor is realistic art.
Funny but not accurate, it was never considered blasphemous.
@@crispminerGod isn’t a good answer to your problems lol, baseless thought
This makes no sense regarding context
"We were standing there for 6 hours okay? I was cold!" 😭
There was also a point where people didn't know HOW to make art with perspective. So with any new revolutionary technology or knowledge or new idea, there is fear mongering and push back.
More rubbish. He correctly explains why medieval paintings look so weird, but then claims the Renaissance style was "scandalous" ... that painting is on the walls of the Pope's private apartment.
In the beginning my bro early perspective painting it was excepted after a while
But if you have evidence supporting your claim against the video do share
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I do not talk to people who cannot be bothered to read a post before replying. My post was not TL.
@@ricksimon9867 what are you on about
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I wrote thirty words. You asked for evidence. But I had given that evidence in the last ten words.
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It follows that you are functionally illiterate and cannot read more than twenty words in one text.
"sounds like" is doing a fair amount of lifting here.
I was fortunate enough to see that up close and personal when I was in Rome last year. Absolutely amazing painting. I could stare at it for hours.
I had a class on this just today. This is actual crazy timing
Nahh, the artists have skill issue so they don't wanna admit that painting in perspective looks way better.
Honestly trying to transcend rather than glorify your perception sounds like the opposite of religious fundamentalism. Religious fundamentalists are the ones that glorify their own perception/the perception of their group. Transcending beyond that would be the opposite.
Exactly. This dudes attempt to shoehorn his biased hatred of religion in the video did not go unnoticed.
@@YHShinVH silly religion.
@@YHShinVHYou pretty clearly got really offended by this video if you're in multiple comments replying like this. Why not just move on?
@@YHShinVH if anything the commenter you're replying to dislikes religion more than the CZcamsr does. I think he was just being factual. Plenty of Orthodox practitioners would agree with this video.
Time Is A Flat Circle.
Your videos are getting better and better
"Scandalous" seemed to be the theme throughout the centuries, and now is touted as "creative" ❤❤❤😂
I think he likes using that word just because it's about church art.
@@richardbonnette490 😂 probably right
MISLEADING and false
I'm going to have an art history exam this week, thanks for the video!
Diogenes in that painting will never not be funny
My final exam is tomorrow. Wish me luck😅
Update: I'm finally finished for this school year 😊
Good luck
Bad luck
Average luck!
I know you have the skill to pass it, you need no luck!
@@gmoburrito6090 thanks
I think these videos are so important because hopefully it shows people who are narrow minded about modern/contemporary art that what most people view as “objectively good art” is really from a super small slice of time and western culture
Too bad it looks better then majority of modern art garbage
Except, ancient art constantly showed more skill and less restrictions than these post-apocalyptic scribblings. So it isn’t just modern art or just western art. This is art after religion becomes a seat of power and destroys art.
The church restricted visual art to *this*, and did the same to music too. Only allowing people to play music with a single string. Let’s pretend that was all just personal choice though, just a different time.
If art does not appeal to the natural sense of beauty that exists in every person from birth, it will never be called good art. Even symbolic art has to be in some way appealing to the eyes.
@@ravenger5672 The church never restricted art and music, and even if it did, no one would listen, just like with their ban on crossbows. The School of Athens was f*cking sponsored by pope Julius II.
@@ravenger5672 I don't get what you mean by restricting visual art and music. Most of Christian art and our music is amazing! Have you never heard of "Miserere Mei" by Allegri?
It's not like the church restricts ALL art and music, either. It just restricted the art style in churches - because the focus in churches is the divine view, not the worldly. Different feel than regular art. It fits, too, if you've never seen either. Both perspective and church art are valuable, they just are made towards different purposes and hence possess different meanings.
Same for music. Church music is supposed to be focused more towards the heavenly, not the worldly. Saying that the Church stifled this art and music, instead of actually looking up secular art and music during the same time period, doesn't do true justice to this time period. Even our music system was founded by monks in the 16th century, not by atheists who couldn't be bothered to sing often enough to invent an efficient music system. Christianity is very progressive, just towards the heavenly, not the worldly. If you understand that, then you'll understand the value of church art and music.
Wow this explains so much about how the way of life changed going into the renaissance. Totally mind blowing
As a Christian, I prefer renaissance paintings.
So youre not christian?
@@bloodyhell8201 dude it's a painting that doesn't even go against his religion, why would that make him not christian?
@@DanceFacility all trve christians know perspective, anatomy and such degeneracies were invented by atheist bankers to direct way from the guiding light towards the dark hands of SATAN
All trve art is created for contemplation of ovr lord, anything else is heresy.
@@bloodyhell8201 i am
Another reason "The School of Athens" was considered immoral. It included a woman philosopher from Alexandria who was killed in a religious riot. They were so patriarchal they didn't allow women to be depicted as equal to men.
No? Its a politically driven lie. There is literally no proof her gender had anything to do with the murder.
Also Theophilus, the bishop af Alexandria, seems to have supported/tolerated Hypatia, only when Cyril replaced him, he started a smear campaign. So what? Suddenly society became patriarchal and woman-hating in a few years? Again, there is no proof that her death has anything to do with her gender and if anything, it was an individual, not society as a whole.
That's a load of absolute b.s. when you realise there were literally female philosophers who were beatified in the Middle Ages like Hildegrad of Bingen.
Stop spreading nonsense
Um, you know Virgin Mary right? The most righteous person in the world according to Catholicism?
@@rafexrafexowski4754 apostle Mary Magdalene, st. Xenia, st. Catherine, st. Mary Egyptian
These are the kind of topics where it would be really interesting to have some 'further reading'.
Critic: Your anatomy needs work.
Artist: Nu uh, it's my STYLE
Shows how religion stunts knowledge
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@@AllGlorytoGod9 looks like someone religious is guilty
Sure does, but we didn't need to say that, we all already know
@@Bugelaa Again 🤦♂️
@@AllGlorytoGod9 looks like someone religious is guilty
The more i learn about religion the more atheism makes sense.😊
Brother! You should look into the Gospel!
Look who comission that painting instead of repeating whatever a idiot claim
In Eastern Orthodoxy icons are the theology of the church. They are not supposed to be realistic, but are supposed to connect us with one being depicted. They are beautiful, but serve a purpose above the art. If you visit a Orthodox Church, you'll see people actually kiss them (crucifixes are also an icon).
I believe a lot of Roman Catholic art before the Renaissance also followed this. Renaissance art lost this function and mostly just became art (really beautiful art).
Fun fact, Orthodox icons are not painted in perspective (from the point of view of the viewer) but the other way around, for exactly the reason he stated in the video. So even those icons that are painted today are purposely painted from the "wrong" perspective. If you look at any square or rectangular object, like a book, drawn in an icon, the difference really leaps out at you. Instead of converging at the horizon, the lines diverge to the horizon.
i love paintings in perspective. realistic paintings & sculptures highlight the beauty of the natural world.
Ugh, religion is the worst
We have a atheist edgelord here
It depends on the person who is religious.
@@rufstok schizo
@@rufst To dumb to know the difference between ghost story and history?
Try religion!
@@rufstThis is not an edge lord atheist position anymore.
Modern art is trash though
Modern art is art
You’re not a fan of any of the thousands of branches of modern art huh
more for the rest of us
All modern art? Literally all of it? Or did you see a banana taped to a wall and your flimsy brain couldn't handle it?
I shudder to imagine what would have happened if perspective had never caught on in art
It's all a giant cycle. Freedom inevitably leads to chaos, so then people want structure. Structure inevitably turns to oppression and then people want freedom again.
@@_magnify damn… I never thought about it like that. that’s really thought-provoking, thank you for replying 💕
Temple (Cathedral) shown in the video (only real one) is the temple of Saint Sava !
I used to think that after classic art in Greek and Roman height of civilizations in late bce/early ce..that later in Medieval era the artwork sort of regressed like the artists somehow forgot to paint the figure and perspectives correctly. Just seemed so odd to kind of go backward.Even the ancients in Mesopotamia were not as stiff as the Byzantine era works of art. Truly bizarre yes. Thanks. Excellent point.
That makes me appreciate art so much more
I wish magnify made long videos too. Id watch it all day
Comparing old old art to the travesty of modern art feels hilarious yet fitting.
Really interesting. Great video! The color red, especially during High Ren and Baroque periods was criticized for being too emotional. Funny how that would change with the later Counter-Reformation artworks.
Time is a flat circle, got it
thank you, magnify, i was wondering why some stained glass pieces i'd seen were really improportionate!
That’s awesome that you were in that painting Highlander
Gosh I love art history
There were aesthetic critiques of perspective too. Removing symbols of the devine from paintings caused a contemporary critic of Michelangelo to say, “He painted a corpse” ( Feyerabend, *Conquest of Abundance*).
Similarly, pre-Renaissance paintings of babies look like weird old men, because of their ideas about the homunculus
This is incorrect, they drew only Jesus like a small adult because he was God and thus mentally grown up since the moment of birth. Other babies are drawn normally.
No one pushes against perspektives. Artist just widened the spectrum again. Think
You always blow my mind!
It's interesting how things go back and fourth throughout history.
Oh yes, I think I remember hearing about this, considerably fascinating
It stands to reason that prospective is harder to paint because of the change in size
I find it wild that ppl analyze art so deeply that there’s even significance behind drawing in perspective
Yo what is that book of mideaval art? That looks sick
Using human reason was not counter to looking for the transcendent. Back then as well.
Great video as allways!
Thank you. Lovely work
That made me trip out it came full circle
Now this feels like a skill issue.
This reminds me of the novel My Name is Red by Orhan Pamuk, a murder mystery set around the tension of using perspective in painting.
That's like saying to think outside the box when you don't even know where the box is
He’s insanely adorable!!!
Seen this painting in Rome. It’s breathtaking. He was genius.
No sources were harmed in the making of this video.
It was mainly religious fundamentalism that influence that thought. What came later was not religious in nature, but that doesn't take away from the inherent religiousness of the previous era