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Reading Dutch text reveals just how closely related to the English they are. Very easy to read & understand 50% in no time. Hearing Dutch convinces you they are simply English with very bad colds and bad congestion. Can't imagine what they might say in reply their impressions for a 'close cousin'.
@@BellBeakerBloke But I am not disputing that. I am merely pointing out that the Dutch retained a significant colonial presence well after that time in the 17th century. There was very little need for that snark was there now lad.
one of the reasons the dutch build a HUGE trading fleet is that we had a TON of wood in Holland it's name is derived from "holtland" meaning woodland, about the ukraine part giving up the donbass you shouldn't forget that that's ukraine's industrial base....would the same if germany had to give up the ruhr to the french for example other than that great video again, would also really suggest watching "Michiel de Ruyter" which covers also a part of the anglo dutch wars where the dutch lured the english into a trap in the shallow waters of the dutch coast. other than that a great video as usual! greeting from your clog wearing friends across the channel!
Quick note: "about the ukraine part giving up the donbass you shouldn't forget that that's ukraine's industrial base....would the same if germany had to give up the ruhr to the french" It's more like it might have been Ukraine's industrial base, or at least was, but it certainly isn't any more. And I'm not talking about because of the war (though that likely helped cripple it). The Donbas is a massive rust belt like you see throughout former or current Commielands, not exactly unlike the "Ghost Cities" of China (or at least those near the Yangzhe) or the like of Arkhanglsk. It's not economically competitive to manufacture and arguably never was except for a brief period during the Tsarist period, but now there's no Uncle Joe or Daddy Brezhnev to throw good money after bad, meaning almost the entire place has morphed into basically a cross between the West Virginia Coal Fields and Detroit, with patronage networks and the ability to use voting power to shift opinion on both sides of the border being one of the main ways to get influence. It always had to compete with the burgeoning industrial areas in formerly Austrian "Galicia"/Halych and along the central river, but now it really can't do that. One reason why Yanukovych was able to have such power and popularity (Well, relatively speaking) for so long was because he came from the Donbas, and he was seen as effectively giving them patronage. And one reason why he fell was because his decision to shuck the EU Association Agreement (and what's more do so in a way and means that indicated he did it pretty much purely "because Putin said so") broke his illusion, since while the folks in the Donbas were heavily Russified and Russian speaking they actually had tentatively supported economic engagement with the EU in the hopes they'd get more. It's also why you'll even see at least one pro-"Orange" Ukrainian Nationalist whose name escapes me who has a comically bad view of the Donbas and so actually advocates giving them up (even though the occupation regime there is actually QUITE unpopular all things considered, since unlike even Crimea it basically involved playing various warlords against each other, who were reliant on large scale corruption, even as what locals supported secession have realized the Kremlin is in no mood to finance some kind of rehab). The bigger issue with giving up the Donbas - which Zelenskyy indicated he would be willing to do in a plebicite - is not just who would want to stay or go, but more importantly that nobody trusts Putin's word.
Not sure who told you that but Holland at that time was less wooded than most places. I mean, the etymology is correct, but it was no longer a reality on the ground. If the Dutch wanted wood, they'd be more likely ship it over from the Baltic than go cut down trees in Holland. We ended up with lots of ships (and shipyards) because the lucrative overseas possessions we took off the Spanish and Portuguese created a demand for shipping.
awwww island germans being nice to swamp germans. thx for the compliments bois, i guess i have the same sentiment about the english being sort of distant cousins. although i sleep well at night knowing we gave u your most humiliating naval defeat ever ;).
The people living in the Netherlands had not only their maritime position between England, Scandinavië and France, but also the inland trade routes deep in the continent using the river Rhine and Maas. In the 12th century the Frisian with the capital Dorestad, near Utrecht, dominated the trade in North-West Europe already. In the 16th century the Dutch developed their windmills to keep the land dry, but they used the same windmills to saw planks much faster and cheaper. Their ships were cheaper.
The defeats of a dominant power are critical to a nation's history and legend. It's what makes history so rich. No great power swaggered around the world unopposed and unchallenged. And it's a good thing too.
The part of the ship that Carl saw in the museum was from 'the Royal Charles' the English flagship caught by the Dutch. This ship was too big for the Dutch waters and that's why they took the ship apart.
When you say ‘William of Orange’, in the Netherlands that is commonly referred to as ‘the original’ William of Orange aka William the Silent, who came up on top as the political leader of the Dutch in the Dutch war of indepence (of Hapsburg Spain) and is the arch father of modern Netherlands. The William of Orange the British commonly refer to is William III, the great grandson of this William the Silent.
Fair point... Us Brits though, we only really count one William of Orange; ie, William III. But you are of course correct... We're the ones guilty of low resolution on that, for sure.
@@HistoryBro nah didn’t mean to say that at all, just put it there as a note for predominately Dutch folks, who might misunderstand the reference. For most people in the world, William of Orange will always be William III (except if our current or future king pulls out something spectacular 😂). So just a Dutchman here Dutchplaining to Dutch viewers. 😃
If you’re going to continue with the prime minister series, would you please do Lord Palmerston? In my opinion, Britain’s greatest Prime minister. Certainly when foreign policy is concerned, he’s such an interesting figure. Presiding over Britain at its height. I think it’d be a great episode, and he’s somewhat overshadowed by the later rivalry of Gladstone and Disraeli.
Geographic determinism, Carl? OK, so why not Sri Lanka? Why not Japan? As to Sowell's argument, to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, the pre-Columbian civilisations in the Americas began, not along great waterways, but in the jungles of eastern Mexico; then spreading to and flowering in the highlands of the Mexican central plateau and Guatemala, or the even less geographically fortunate karst jungles of the Yucatan; and high in the Andes, as in really high! There was nothing to compare along the Amazon, Orinoco, Mississippi, Ohio or Missouri. As of yet, no "geographic determinist" has given a reasonable explanation for why the history of civilisation in the Americas runs counter to their argument.
@@BellBeakerBloke I'm well aware of their ANE ancestry. This isn't addressing my point, though ...but it does beg the question: If they're all descended from ANE, why did certain peoples amongst Amerindians develop civilisations whilst others continued a hunter-gatherer lifestyle right up until the arrival of Europeans? It certainly wasn't favourable geography, that's for sure. I lean toward nature/genetic inheritance over nurture/cultural environment, but still, my question needs answering. P.S. I wouldn't call them Aryans, to be fair. Aryan applies solely to Indo-Iranians, with possibly the Balto-Slavics thrown in. Until linguists can link the root word from which "Aryan" is derived to other Ponto-European (Indo-European is a misnomer; I'm not Indic, not even slightly, and nor are any of my ancestors) languages and make a convincing case for all our Ponto-European ancestors sharing this endonym, then I'd prefer to go with Ponto-European; I know it doesn't sound as cool, but it's more accurate.
@@BellBeakerBloke A better term for ANE? I don't have one, but Aryan is anachronistic. I'm happy to go with ANE, but I guess we could use mammoth hunters, maybe? Bearing in mind that the mammoth hunters of both Europe and Siberia descended from the same Crown Eurasian stock that colonised northern Eurasia 35-40,000 years ago*. Using Aryan as shorthand for Ponto-Europeans is OK, I suppose, but it seems silly when talking about an ancestral population that existed ten or twenty thousand years before the Ponto-European language had developed. Ponto-European is specifically a post-Neolithic language. I think we should stick to no earlier than the Neolithic when speaking of Pontic Europeans and a shorthand for how they may have referred to themselves. *You may already know this, but the first sapiens to enter Europe were those that were directly ancestral to the northeast Asian ancestry found in modern East Asians; obviously they didn't hang around in Europe for very long, relatively speaking.
@@BellBeakerBloke I'll give you that, it does sound really cool. Haha. Tell you what I actually think, though, based off of current aDNA evidence, we, those of us of European descent (Europeans, European Americans/Aussies/Kiwis, etc), are most descended from the Gravettians, if anything, and to be honest, that is pretty bloody cool to me.
I can be wrong on this or perhaps the dates, but for Japan, when the Europeans went around the world for Spice and Gold. The many clans in Japan were fighting eachother and Japan was isolating itself from the rest of the world (with some exceptions.) Untill the 1800s when the Americans demanded Japan to go out of isolation.
Well...another reason is that the Dutch could not have a Catholic king in Britain...that all ended when William of Orange was "invited"...in the end economically they lost...but religiously the Dutch can claim a victory...
It has been proven that IQ is more or less the same globally. So that is not a factor. Northwestern Europe is blessed with fertile grounds. 1. Because of the ice sheet stopped and scraped all the minerals from Scandinavia to northwestern Europe (aka the Netherlands en to a lesser degree England). So, there was the ability to have surplus foods to feed cities. 2. The Dutch started their long range voyages as a military mission in the 80 year war of independence to destroy the Spanish/Portugese colonies and fleets everywhere they could to destroy their economy. In the process, the Dutch discovered that there was money to be made. 3. Even before the Dutch golden age, it was filthy rich already because of Flanders (linnen) and Amsterdam (baltic grain monopoly). The last was already an issue in 1477 when the Duke of Holland (not the Netherlands) declared war on the Hanseatic league because of that trade. It ended in a draw, but strategically Holland won. You also have to bear in mind that most people in the Netherlands in the 17th century could read and write, also the women, who were (unique in the world) able to do business if unmarried.
Reading Dutch text reveals just how closely related to the English they are. Very easy to read & understand 50% in no time. Hearing Dutch convinces you they are simply English with very bad colds and bad congestion. Can't imagine what they might say in reply their impressions for a 'close cousin'.
Well the G (incl ‘ch’ and ‘sch’) and R in Dutch are the only properly pronounced sounds of these consonants 😂, everybody else is just doing it wrong.
The epoch I have been waiting for. Started singing Dutch sea shanties with anticipation of the raid of the Medway. GEKOLONISEERD
Many people have forgotten today, but several centuries ago, The Netherlands was a significant colonial power.
Mate, the Dutch lost their biggest colony in Indonesia in 1947 if I recall. Same sort of time as Britian lost the Raj.
@@BellBeakerBloke But I am not disputing that. I am merely pointing out that the Dutch retained a significant colonial presence well after that time in the 17th century. There was very little need for that snark was there now lad.
@@BellBeakerBlokeTbf that made Belgium, colonially at least a lot more relevant than they would have been.
@@BellBeakerBloke Well thank you. I hope you have a wonderful day.
Best episode ever. GEKOLONISEERD
one of the reasons the dutch build a HUGE trading fleet is that we had a TON of wood in Holland it's name is derived from "holtland" meaning woodland, about the ukraine part giving up the donbass you shouldn't forget that that's ukraine's industrial base....would the same if germany had to give up the ruhr to the french for example other than that great video again, would also really suggest watching "Michiel de Ruyter" which covers also a part of the anglo dutch wars where the dutch lured the english into a trap in the shallow waters of the dutch coast. other than that a great video as usual! greeting from your clog wearing friends across the channel!
Quick note: "about the ukraine part giving up the donbass you shouldn't forget that that's ukraine's industrial base....would the same if germany had to give up the ruhr to the french"
It's more like it might have been Ukraine's industrial base, or at least was, but it certainly isn't any more. And I'm not talking about because of the war (though that likely helped cripple it). The Donbas is a massive rust belt like you see throughout former or current Commielands, not exactly unlike the "Ghost Cities" of China (or at least those near the Yangzhe) or the like of Arkhanglsk. It's not economically competitive to manufacture and arguably never was except for a brief period during the Tsarist period, but now there's no Uncle Joe or Daddy Brezhnev to throw good money after bad, meaning almost the entire place has morphed into basically a cross between the West Virginia Coal Fields and Detroit, with patronage networks and the ability to use voting power to shift opinion on both sides of the border being one of the main ways to get influence. It always had to compete with the burgeoning industrial areas in formerly Austrian "Galicia"/Halych and along the central river, but now it really can't do that.
One reason why Yanukovych was able to have such power and popularity (Well, relatively speaking) for so long was because he came from the Donbas, and he was seen as effectively giving them patronage. And one reason why he fell was because his decision to shuck the EU Association Agreement (and what's more do so in a way and means that indicated he did it pretty much purely "because Putin said so") broke his illusion, since while the folks in the Donbas were heavily Russified and Russian speaking they actually had tentatively supported economic engagement with the EU in the hopes they'd get more.
It's also why you'll even see at least one pro-"Orange" Ukrainian Nationalist whose name escapes me who has a comically bad view of the Donbas and so actually advocates giving them up (even though the occupation regime there is actually QUITE unpopular all things considered, since unlike even Crimea it basically involved playing various warlords against each other, who were reliant on large scale corruption, even as what locals supported secession have realized the Kremlin is in no mood to finance some kind of rehab).
The bigger issue with giving up the Donbas - which Zelenskyy indicated he would be willing to do in a plebicite - is not just who would want to stay or go, but more importantly that nobody trusts Putin's word.
Not sure who told you that but Holland at that time was less wooded than most places. I mean, the etymology is correct, but it was no longer a reality on the ground. If the Dutch wanted wood, they'd be more likely ship it over from the Baltic than go cut down trees in Holland.
We ended up with lots of ships (and shipyards) because the lucrative overseas possessions we took off the Spanish and Portuguese created a demand for shipping.
awwww island germans being nice to swamp germans. thx for the compliments bois, i guess i have the same sentiment about the english being sort of distant cousins. although i sleep well at night knowing we gave u your most humiliating naval defeat ever ;).
The people living in the Netherlands had not only their maritime position between England, Scandinavië and France, but also the inland trade routes deep in the continent using the river Rhine and Maas. In the 12th century the Frisian with the capital Dorestad, near Utrecht, dominated the trade in North-West Europe already. In the 16th century the Dutch developed their windmills to keep the land dry, but they used the same windmills to saw planks much faster and cheaper. Their ships were cheaper.
and could get wood from Norway cheaper than Norwegians themselves.
Beau dropping IQ truthbombs
The Japanese navies were too busy with waging wars to have time for exploration, is a short but on point explanation.
The defeats of a dominant power are critical to a nation's history and legend. It's what makes history so rich. No great power swaggered around the world unopposed and unchallenged. And it's a good thing too.
The part of the ship that Carl saw in the museum was from 'the Royal Charles' the English flagship caught by the Dutch. This ship was too big for the Dutch waters and that's why they took the ship apart.
First it was docked and used as a tourist atraction, but Charlie felt insulted and asked to it be stopped, then the ship got scrapped.
Give it enough time and everyone has eventually been to war with everyone else.
Including ourselves
When you say ‘William of Orange’, in the Netherlands that is commonly referred to as ‘the original’ William of Orange aka William the Silent, who came up on top as the political leader of the Dutch in the Dutch war of indepence (of Hapsburg Spain) and is the arch father of modern Netherlands. The William of Orange the British commonly refer to is William III, the great grandson of this William the Silent.
Fair point... Us Brits though, we only really count one William of Orange; ie, William III.
But you are of course correct... We're the ones guilty of low resolution on that, for sure.
@@HistoryBro nah didn’t mean to say that at all, just put it there as a note for predominately Dutch folks, who might misunderstand the reference. For most people in the world, William of Orange will always be William III (except if our current or future king pulls out something spectacular 😂). So just a Dutchman here Dutchplaining to Dutch viewers. 😃
Lowlands Away!!!!! Great Epoch as usual loving it!!!!
Great episode boys
If you’re going to continue with the prime minister series, would you please do Lord Palmerston? In my opinion, Britain’s greatest Prime minister. Certainly when foreign policy is concerned, he’s such an interesting figure. Presiding over Britain at its height. I think it’d be a great episode, and he’s somewhat overshadowed by the later rivalry of Gladstone and Disraeli.
Well it did not help you guys that we Dutch had one of the most able Admirals in human history
Yeah. Rude move.
Geographic determinism, Carl? OK, so why not Sri Lanka? Why not Japan?
As to Sowell's argument, to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, the pre-Columbian civilisations in the Americas began, not along great waterways, but in the jungles of eastern Mexico; then spreading to and flowering in the highlands of the Mexican central plateau and Guatemala, or the even less geographically fortunate karst jungles of the Yucatan; and high in the Andes, as in really high! There was nothing to compare along the Amazon, Orinoco, Mississippi, Ohio or Missouri. As of yet, no "geographic determinist" has given a reasonable explanation for why the history of civilisation in the Americas runs counter to their argument.
@@BellBeakerBloke I'm well aware of their ANE ancestry. This isn't addressing my point, though
...but it does beg the question: If they're all descended from ANE, why did certain peoples amongst Amerindians develop civilisations whilst others continued a hunter-gatherer lifestyle right up until the arrival of Europeans? It certainly wasn't favourable geography, that's for sure. I lean toward nature/genetic inheritance over nurture/cultural environment, but still, my question needs answering.
P.S. I wouldn't call them Aryans, to be fair. Aryan applies solely to Indo-Iranians, with possibly the Balto-Slavics thrown in. Until linguists can link the root word from which "Aryan" is derived to other Ponto-European (Indo-European is a misnomer; I'm not Indic, not even slightly, and nor are any of my ancestors) languages and make a convincing case for all our Ponto-European ancestors sharing this endonym, then I'd prefer to go with Ponto-European; I know it doesn't sound as cool, but it's more accurate.
@@BellBeakerBloke We do indeed.
@@BellBeakerBloke A better term for ANE? I don't have one, but Aryan is anachronistic. I'm happy to go with ANE, but I guess we could use mammoth hunters, maybe? Bearing in mind that the mammoth hunters of both Europe and Siberia descended from the same Crown Eurasian stock that colonised northern Eurasia 35-40,000 years ago*. Using Aryan as shorthand for Ponto-Europeans is OK, I suppose, but it seems silly when talking about an ancestral population that existed ten or twenty thousand years before the Ponto-European language had developed. Ponto-European is specifically a post-Neolithic language. I think we should stick to no earlier than the Neolithic when speaking of Pontic Europeans and a shorthand for how they may have referred to themselves.
*You may already know this, but the first sapiens to enter Europe were those that were directly ancestral to the northeast Asian ancestry found in modern East Asians; obviously they didn't hang around in Europe for very long, relatively speaking.
@@BellBeakerBloke I'll give you that, it does sound really cool. Haha.
Tell you what I actually think, though, based off of current aDNA evidence, we, those of us of European descent (Europeans, European Americans/Aussies/Kiwis, etc), are most descended from the Gravettians, if anything, and to be honest, that is pretty bloody cool to me.
I can be wrong on this or perhaps the dates, but for Japan, when the Europeans went around the world for Spice and Gold. The many clans in Japan were fighting eachother and Japan was isolating itself from the rest of the world (with some exceptions.) Untill the 1800s when the Americans demanded Japan to go out of isolation.
Well...another reason is that the Dutch could not have a Catholic king in Britain...that all ended when William of Orange was "invited"...in the end economically they lost...but religiously the Dutch can claim a victory...
War with the French over the boat people? Doesn't sound so distasteful to me 😂
It has been proven that IQ is more or less the same globally. So that is not a factor. Northwestern Europe is blessed with fertile grounds. 1. Because of the ice sheet stopped and scraped all the minerals from Scandinavia to northwestern Europe (aka the Netherlands en to a lesser degree England). So, there was the ability to have surplus foods to feed cities. 2. The Dutch started their long range voyages as a military mission in the 80 year war of independence to destroy the Spanish/Portugese colonies and fleets everywhere they could to destroy their economy. In the process, the Dutch discovered that there was money to be made. 3. Even before the Dutch golden age, it was filthy rich already because of Flanders (linnen) and Amsterdam (baltic grain monopoly). The last was already an issue in 1477 when the Duke of Holland (not the Netherlands) declared war on the Hanseatic league because of that trade. It ended in a draw, but strategically Holland won. You also have to bear in mind that most people in the Netherlands in the 17th century could read and write, also the women, who were (unique in the world) able to do business if unmarried.
@@ronaldderooij1774 IQ is most certainly not more or less the same globally.