How NFC phones can steal your credit card info.

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • Hackers can now attack your smart phone and use it to scan the credit cards in your pocket. Watch the news report on how it is done. You need to block your credit cards from scanning with a Secure Wallet or Secure Sleeve from Identity Stronghold at IDStronghold.com

Komentáře • 94

  • @jrl0004
    @jrl0004 Před 12 lety +71

    At least 100 hackers just watched this video and decided on their plans for this weekend.

  • @Uejji
    @Uejji Před 12 lety +10

    This doesn't specifically target Android, but they used an Android phone as the centerpiece, so a few reasons why this is wrong (in Android):
    1. Android does not accept or send NFC data while the screen is off. This is a system-wide privacy safeguard.
    2. NFC works at a range of centimeters (1-4cm in Android's case). This is "direct contact" level, not merely being nearby.
    3. 3rd party applications must be open and in the foreground to use NFC, so you'd notice this very quickly.

  • @ZakaryTimson
    @ZakaryTimson Před 10 lety +58

    Its called nfc for a reason. They make it look like a hacker can stand in a room and gather every ones info when in reality you have to put the back of a phone with in 1cm of the card.

  • @Mitche23
    @Mitche23 Před 10 lety +42

    You know you can disable NFC when you are not using it, plus NFC can be battery hog so disable it when you're not using it.

  • @splat00n
    @splat00n Před 11 lety +6

    NFC should become active when you want to use NFC, and operational only when the phone is inches from the device asking for money.

  • @eddouble111
    @eddouble111 Před 10 lety +23

    Disable it when not in use. That's it!!

  • @typtyphus2
    @typtyphus2 Před 10 lety +19

    it's not a virus if the app is fraudulent

  • @AnimeChannelDotCom
    @AnimeChannelDotCom Před 12 lety +1

    funny how no one else is thinking or even made the conclusion to start doing this at all, yet these guys are informing the whole world that this is incredibly easy and that anyone could do it... honestly just keep your ways of hacking to yourselves...

  • @builderecks
    @builderecks Před 10 lety +13

    Well, someone doesn't understand the technical limitations of nfc. The nfc chip in phones only has a range of up to 2 centimeters. Unless you keep your phone and wallet in the same pocket you have nothing to worry about chicken little.

  • @StevenCallister
    @StevenCallister Před 12 lety +1

    Can't agree more, at some point people need to take some kind of responsibility for their own security.

  • @Muscleduck
    @Muscleduck Před 12 lety +1

    This is complete BS. Your phone has to be milimeters away from your creditcard to 'steal' the information. They talk about it like you can take a stroll through the park and you'll have 200 new numbers, like somehow the smartphone would be able to reach cards meters away.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Where your incorrect is that an app that uses NFC and also uses smtp email is not considered a virus. You will find an app up there now call "The Electronic Pickpocket". While we disabled the ability to view the entire credit card number so as not to help theives, we were able to create an app publisher account and have it available for download within about 30 minutes. It is still there now.

  • @Joshnichols189
    @Joshnichols189 Před 12 lety +1

    Let's be honest - no one outside of hardcore users even use NFC for sharing contacts or with NFC tags. I'd be willing to bet most people that have a Galaxy Nexus don't even know what NFC is or what it does, or that it's even on their phones.
    Whichever Best Buys you go to must show more love for the Nexus S than Chicago, because I never saw a single poster for it. Just a little phone sitting on the stand under the rarely there "unlocked phones" section.

  • @Drrck11
    @Drrck11 Před 10 lety +15

    And this is why cash is king.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +2

    When your phone rings NFC becomes active.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +2

    Someone strolling through the park would likely not use a smartphone. They would buy a reader such as a store uses and put it in a case like we did. You can increase the range as well with an amplifier. The phone problem is that it is your own phone with a bad app. Many people place their phones near their cards often.

  • @Joshnichols189
    @Joshnichols189 Před 12 lety

    The One X, Nexus S, and the last seven phones you can't buy in the U.S. The Galaxy Note that has NFC has locked NFC in the US, so does the One XL. The Galaxy SIII isn't released in the U.S. either.

  • @skysiz
    @skysiz Před 10 lety +11

    Just scratch the RFID chip from your card and you are set.

  • @Joshnichols189
    @Joshnichols189 Před 12 lety

    I can *maybe* believe the Galaxy Nexus has sold millions in the U.S., but the NFC feature is still locked down because Verizon hasn't released their own NFC payment system yet. The Nexus S, not so much. It wasn't even commercially available in AT&T or T-Mobile stores.. You could only buy it at Best Buy, unlocked.

  • @iforce2d
    @iforce2d Před 10 lety +31

    I just tried this with my credit card and it reads a serial number, not the card number. Are you saying the hacker will then somehow manufacture a card of their own with a duplicate serial number, and try to guess my pin number? Good luck!!

  • @Uejji
    @Uejji Před 12 lety +1

    I agree. It's not magic, it's technology.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Yes but if your own phone is infected and you are putting it in your pocket or purse with your wallet it is near enough. Also many womens pursed now have spots for your cell phone.

  • @biohazard9907
    @biohazard9907 Před 12 lety

    last time i checked most people have their phones in one pocket and their wallets in the other.

  • @Joshnichols189
    @Joshnichols189 Před 12 lety

    In the sense that you can't use it with anything since there are no mobile payment options for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, it is locked down. There's really no point to even having it on if you have a Verizon Galaxy Nexus.
    The Nexus S was never "heavily pushed" at Best Buy, and even if it was it is such a niche device.

  • @ahbabs83
    @ahbabs83 Před 10 lety +12

    Um why not turn off nfc when it's not in use. Sounds like an easy solution to me lol. I even turn off my 4g to save battery

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    sorry should have said 4/4G.
    My two phones... the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus were enabled when I got the phone. I didn't have to turn it on. The default was on.

  • @erstam
    @erstam Před 12 lety

    If they steal your phone or your phone rings you will have to type in a pin to use it...

  • @geomancer626
    @geomancer626 Před 12 lety

    You're right, the iPhone just uses a broken AES implementation instead. So much better.

  • @Joshnichols189
    @Joshnichols189 Před 12 lety

    See if you would have specified Nexus S 4G we wouldn't have had a miscommunication - The Nexus S 4G was pushed more than the Nexus S, but it was also pushed more on the nation's third largest carrier - still, the Nexus S 4G did sell more than the unlocked Nexus S, I'll give you that.
    However, if people don't know what NFC is, why would they bother to turn it on?

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +1

    1. If you have your phone in your pocket next to your cards or your purse etc and the screen is off, when you get a call the phone wakes up and scans. We tested this and it does scan the card on a phone call.
    2. While the phone needs to be close many womens wallets hold their phone next to their cards and many people place their phones in their pockets with the cards.
    3. This isn't true. If the bad app is set up to handle nfc events it will launch and run even if no apps were running.

  • @christianwilson
    @christianwilson Před 11 lety +1

    So if you get google wallet you don't even have to carry the credit cards.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +2

    This has nothing to do with Google Wallet. It is the phone's NFC ability that can be used to scan other cards.
    Also we have tested here and with the skimmer we built we can skim the Google Wallet credit card number and expiration date from it.

  • @SinuheSieda
    @SinuheSieda Před 11 lety +2

    In some cases the NFC antenna is in the battery in other cases it's in the case.

  • @thebaseballplaya25
    @thebaseballplaya25 Před 12 lety +1

    i can't take any video like this seriously. they are trying to talk about up and coming technology like NFC while showing a clip of aol saying "You've Got Mail!". its like the video was made for the same kind of people that think technology is the devil's work or something and have just started using email. just another way to attempt to strike fear in people, something the media like to think it excels at.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Here the Nexus S was a Sprint phone at Best Buy. They did sell it unlocked as well but they preferred it as a Sprint phone.
    I agree on most people having no idea on NFC and that is the point. Whether they know their phone contains it or not it can still be used by hackers to target their cards that the phone gets next to.

  • @erstam
    @erstam Před 12 lety +1

    Good thing my screen is always off when my phone is in my pocket (nrc only active with screen on). Plus None of my credit cards have NFC chips. Only my phone lol.

  • @JathanLane
    @JathanLane Před 12 lety +1

    this doesn't happen anymore. Google encrypted everything. and Wallet doesn't store any cards on your phone anymore.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    But when your phone rings it activates and can scan. Also hackers could adapt their program to make the phone appear asleep.

  • @DrewArdner
    @DrewArdner Před 12 lety +2

    I always thought wireless credit cards were stupid in the first place. I'll never get one, so I don't really need to worry about this.

  • @Joshnichols189
    @Joshnichols189 Před 12 lety

    Do you know what % of those 320 million phones have NFC is?
    Not to mention that a phone without NFC can NOT do this..

  • @Homemedrunkimtake
    @Homemedrunkimtake Před 12 lety

    I Have Lookout (Free Version) But Not For Malware, Just In Case I Lose My Phone. But Yes, An App Always Ask For Permission When Using A Feature.

  • @THEHIPSTERALIENS
    @THEHIPSTERALIENS Před 12 lety +1

    I find it interesting that they consider it lazy to program malware...i cannot imagine it being the easiest/laziest thing to do...

  • @tcms30
    @tcms30 Před 12 lety

    WOW....It's called NEAR Field Communications...I EMPHASIZE THE WORD "NEAR"...You literally have to be touching stuff together for the info to beam.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +2

    Yes some of these are in Europe etc but they have contactless cards as well that are vulnerable. In the US the two biggest ones are the Nexus S and the Galaxy Nexus which alone have sold millions.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +1

    Many people carry their phone in their pocket with their wallet or credit cards. Also many womens wallets have a cell phone holder that places it near enough to their cards. Go to my waltaugust channel and watch the Trojan Horse Electronic Pickpocketing demo to see this actually happen.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    The nfc attack would normally be carried out by your own phone with an infected app. So you have to notice anyone around you.
    In some phones the antenna is attached to the battery cover not the battery.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Yes. Definitely.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Not if you live on another continent and want to steal from Americans or Europeans etc. They can sit at their desk in some third world country and watch the emails coming in with credit and debit card numbers from the U.S.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    NFC on Galaxy Nexus is definitively not locked. I own one and our test with trojan software found it easily vulnurable. The Nexus S was heavily pushed at BestBuy starting Mother's Day 2011.

  • @SkyLinMegas
    @SkyLinMegas Před 12 lety

    instead of complaining about it why not do something about it invest in encryption companies and urge them to help fix the problem

  • @securi-t
    @securi-t Před 12 lety +2

    Total overreaction. Yes this is possible, but you MUST be within reading range of an RFID tag which as many people pointed out is just a few millimeters (less than 1/4" for those of you unfamiliar with the metric system). And, if you stick to apps from well-reputed developers, you will avoid the whole virus thing. This type of video is just an attempt to scare people and sell card protectors.

  • @the_coolest_dude_on_youtube

    322 million cell phones in use in the USA??? The US population is only 314 million. LoL!!! Nice try, Apple!!!

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    The virus protection does not currently catch apps that use NFC. The virus protection will help for other viruses. For Google Wallet data make sure you set the timeout as short as possible. This is how long the card can be scanned after entering your pin number. You can set it from 1 to 30 minutes. Also please read the news stories about the ability to hack the pin number on Google Wallet as well.

  • @InuYashaBandicoot
    @InuYashaBandicoot Před 12 lety +1

    u sound just like the people who try to virus phones. The vid's point is very clear and more modern that you are - use technology with care. Moving forward without making sure the user is safe, is actually what you're doing. The video is telling us to ditch new cards, because, NEWSFLASH - new DOESNT MEAN better. And he's recommending to install an antivirus. How can that be unserious? You sound to me like a tech geek that wont listen to the flaws of his new tech, NFC. relly dude, stop that.

  • @EgyptUnderGroundArmy
    @EgyptUnderGroundArmy Před 12 lety +4

    0:45 lol is that guy from year 1450? wave it, magic wand? lol facepalm

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +2

    Not sure why I shouldn't approve. You are correct we are showing people a vulnerability that the hackers know is out there. But without the cardholder knowing this they can't protect themselves.

  • @Abrnjac
    @Abrnjac Před 12 lety

    Not an apple fanboy, but an iPhone would never get hacked like this...

  • @MrQewaRe
    @MrQewaRe Před 12 lety

    so the way around the credit card thing is not getting a wireless one but is he saying there is no way around them stealing Ur info for Google wallet? Or does the virus check stop all that

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    As long as nfc is off it won't work. At some point it may be possible for hackers to re-enable with your knowledge.

  • @45moonprince
    @45moonprince Před 11 lety +4

    iphones dont have NFC lol

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Nfc does work through cloth and virus protection apps are not nfc aware. See youtub waltaugust channel for the trojan demo which shows it working through cloth.

  • @lilmario0
    @lilmario0 Před 12 lety +1

    moral... #stick to watching porn, chatting and listening to music on ur phone xD

  • @zores1
    @zores1 Před 12 lety

    cool vid, and good solution, just dont have a wireless credit card

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +1

    To use google wallet yes. But not if they are using you phone's NFC cabpability to scan externeal cards.
    But also look up Google Wallet PIN hacked. If someone steals your phone they can root your phone and then use the crack program to get your PIN in 5 seconds.

  • @JoeParkerPoe
    @JoeParkerPoe Před 12 lety

    What kind of phone is that? Are you sure it's not painted brick?

  • @kbudzin
    @kbudzin Před 12 lety +2

    you are so wrong... my sister lent someone her cell phone for about 2 minutes and they scanned all the info from it and were charging things on her cards. it was a nightmare...

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    If you put your phone in your purse or pocket with your wallet and it rings it wakes up and nfc can scan. Also with the right virus you could prevent the phone from actually going to sleep. Make it just look like it was asleep.

  • @stoneyjonez
    @stoneyjonez Před 10 lety +3

    LMFAO, you act like Google invented NFC and has control over it somehow.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety +1

    There are still several other NFC uses on the Galaxy Nexus such as smart posters and sending contacts to another NFC phone. The Nexus S was definitely heavily pushed at the Best Buy's I went to. They even had floor standing displays that were 6 feet tall for months pumping the Nexus S.

  • @ThePeterOfficial
    @ThePeterOfficial Před 12 lety

    Can a NFC enabled phone without Google Wallet steal the credit card info?

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    True but ask your friends. At a recent government security conference 75% of the room when asked say they never have reviewed the permissions before installing an app. To me and you we understand the importance but most people don't.

  • @larryfinest2298
    @larryfinest2298 Před 10 lety +1

    Great Video...Very informative. we all need to protect ourselves from creeps like that

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    And also I have never owned a mac or an iPhone ever. I like Android much better (sorry Apple). I have a Xoom, Galaxy Nexus, and Nexus S.... All Android....

  • @modernshot1
    @modernshot1 Před 12 lety +3

    You cant do this with an iphone lol

  • @fcinternetmarketing
    @fcinternetmarketing Před 10 lety +1

    Very helpful information.

  • @hysteria.1
    @hysteria.1 Před 12 lety

    does it work even if i make the nfc off on my phone?

  • @Ahlonpogi
    @Ahlonpogi Před 12 lety +2

    the creator of this video knows a lot about hacking and stuff. so he is sharing the deed to the world. i mean, how to avoid being a victim :D ( I DARE YOU UPLOADER APPROVE THIS COMMENT. )

  • @123455noname
    @123455noname Před 12 lety

    how do u steal card info like that i dont get it n how do u no u got the info

  • @Phillyphil13139
    @Phillyphil13139 Před 12 lety

    Yeah, but with google wallet, i don't need to carry MY credit card... i don't know about the unlucky souls around me and my phone though! haha

  • @noneya8418
    @noneya8418 Před 10 lety +2

    I knew it would happen sooner or later.

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Probably around 1-2% as of late 2011 and rising fast. Several million have already shipped. Here is a partial list. More at wikipedia under nfc handsets.
    Android
    HTC Amaze 4G
    HTC Evo 4G LTE
    HTC One X
    HTC One XL
    Nexus S
    Google Nexus S 4G
    Samsung Galaxy S III
    Samsung Galaxy S II (not all versions)
    Samsung Galaxy Note (not all versions)
    Galaxy Nexus
    Huawei Sonic T20
    Huawei Sonic (U8650NFC-1)
    Sony Xperia S
    Sony Xperia P
    Sony Xperia SOLA
    Turkcell T20
    Turkcell T11

  • @waltaugust
    @waltaugust  Před 12 lety

    Yes but this is your own phone getting near your own cards.

  • @by010
    @by010 Před 10 lety +1

    never use paypas..

  • @N0P0int
    @N0P0int Před 12 lety +1

    "magically opens for you" the homosapiain who came back in time said the same thing
    why not use words such as "automatically"

  • @satirabecera
    @satirabecera Před 12 lety

    fantastic video,thanks

  • @cristianweiser
    @cristianweiser Před 12 lety

    Wow.. thats an issue... lol

  • @MannyHaarp
    @MannyHaarp Před 12 lety

    I second that...

  • @Ahlonpogi
    @Ahlonpogi Před 12 lety

    the creator of this video knows a lot about hacking and stuff. so he is sharing the deed to the world. i mean, how to avoid being a victim :D

  • @corrections
    @corrections Před 12 lety

    fud

  • @RobertLeeMonterroso
    @RobertLeeMonterroso Před 12 lety

    faillllllll