SELLING Tomiyasu? Let's Talk...
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WTF YOU WANT TO SELL TOMIYASU?!!?!?!?!?!?
I'm 4 seconds in but I'm unsubscribing
Maybe swap plus money....a Gnabry perhaps
Sell Saka. Raise the ceiling on the right wing. Get Netto 😅
summery if the right price comes seel him and use that money to buy a replacement with a higher ceiling
@@fahd8826You are tired mate
@@fahd8826best joke of the century 😂
Before thinking of selling Tomiyasu, consider this; Tomiyasu plays ALL four (4) positions across the back line, very very comfortable. Very few in European football can do that at the highest level like Tomiyasu.
Next, Tomiyasu now flawlessly inverts to great effect. So we can safely say that’s 5 players in him.
For me he’s the most important player among our defenders.
He also plays 6 for Japan a lot. So he covers all 4 tackling roles, including the inversion, PLUS holding midfielder!
Tomiyasu plays all four positions across the back line who flawlessly inverts to great effect??
When have you ever seen him play CB?
@@SteveBarrow-lp2ns he has played CB twice for us in the PL that I can recall, and played with Gabriel against the MLS all stars in pre season. He has also played CB in Italy and for Japan.
@@lewisjones3738 He has also played CB in Italy and for Japan and won what?
Agreed on the importance of Tomi. He's tactically agile enough to play across multiple positions based on the demands of Arteta's tactics at a good level. There may come a time when Arteta will innovate the team further with an inverted CB like how John Stones does for Man City.
Most fans would argue that he isn't world-class, but how many players are world-class in more than 1 position?
Selling Tomiyasu is a NO. Maybe tierney, partey, cedric, eddie, el neny, well even ESR should be sold. But TOMI is a NO
I agree. It's best to sell Cedric, not Tomi
I would throw even ramsdale in the mix. I love the lad but he aint getting the love from the gaffa 😢
@@xXxXsouless Perhaps he should improve his performance instead of flapping around when he's having chances...
Tomi must have seen this before getting two amazing assists in the UCL :p
Lol ❤️ 😆
He is so young and so great, he is Japan's version of Saliba, keep him for years
I only worry about his injury record
@@iykeharrison9161but like mentioned in the video, he doesn't have a recurring injury. That's a good sign.
Stop it pls. Mr reliable ain't going anywhere
*dependable
reliable*
Great player and normally steady but Mr dependent/ dependable is a big compliment. He definitely has a good few mistakes in him.
@@sonnyhepworth1538not really, the city mistake was the only one I can think of, the red card against crystal palace was soft and I think was a foul against burnley, other than that he’s very reliable and has no controversy, he just does his job
Reliable?😂
Tomiyasu is our trossard but in defence. Not a first team starter but effective off the bench. Hes also so versatile, its rare to get players like tomiyasu.
I would only sell him for 40-50m or a crazy deal like that.
50 Mill minimum
Thats too cheap it has got to be 70mill+
@@tilisho exactly.
You certainly wouldn't sell him before seeing Jurian Timber is back, fit, and performing as well as he did. I'm 7 minutes into your video and you haven't mentioned Timber yet, and that is odd.
I wouldn't sell him for anything less than 60m. If one of the biggest teams in the world is after him, it wouldn't hurt to shoot a little higher!
Tomiyasu is an underrated Defender pretty much on his way to becoming a Japanese Virgil Van Dijk. Easily a top 20 premier League defender who doesn't even start that many games.
When Tomi joined us initially he was rated as one of the top rightbacks in the world on transfermarkt.
He’s 3rd choice right back and left back as-well as being 5th choice cb when everyone is fit. The disrespect to Van Dijk is beyond a joke now. He’s a decent versatile defender but nothing more than that.
@@mjunaid309 how is OP being disrespectful toward Van Dijk? you're disrespecting Tomi bud!!!
@@mjunaid3093rd choice?? He starts over Ben white the past few weeks and has had to fill in for zinchenko against more tricky wingers. He has had much more gametime this season, and easily one of the more important players along with trossard, he’s the insurance across the back one who could play anywhere, if Ben white or saliba got injured tomorrow tomi would fill in the role we have no one else! Kiwior isn’t experienced enough and timber is not back yet
@@mjunaid309lololol whose second choice right and left back? And who are these 4 cbs playing ahead of him?
Tactically, no player gives you such flexibility.. Especially on the safe side. With Timber out, having Tomiyasu as an option is so important on both sides.. Especially when facing better wingers
no fucking way.. hard to replace such an amazing versatile defender considering how we have dif needs that he fulfills
Absolutely love your video essays. Deffo one of my favourite content creators on CZcams. Thanks for all you do!!
tomiyasu one of the best 1v1 defenders in the world got pace strength brains can play every position across the backline yea come buy him 500m euros
Tomi is the long term Zinny replacement and CB cover, he’s untouchable for me, there’s a reason Bayern want him and as far as I’m concerned I wouldn’t sell for anything under 60m
100 miilion*
80 million for me
Timber is a ceiling raiser and he is on the books
If it is in January, it must be some stupendous amount of money not because Arsenal is reluctant to sell, getting replacement in January is notoriously difficult. If during summer transfer season, the price will naturally be less but anything less than 60mil should not be considered. Tomi's ability to cover for multiple positions is very useful tactically. Lossing Tomi would be like losing 2 players hence anything less than 60 should not be entertained.
I think we all can agree, Tomi is a CB and should be the backup for Saliba. Interesting to see where Tomi will be when Timber is fit. For now, selling Tomiyasu is a HELL NO. We'll talk in May2024.
No we won’t we need him he is the insurance of the back line, very reliable
Tomi is a CB ??? Who told you that?
@@SteveBarrow-lp2nsJapanese national team
And while Tierney should have been Zinchenko's replacement we lost Tierney to the fact he wasn't getting game time. Arteta's handling of the second line players is not good.
@@southboundaustralthink the point is Tierney's style doesnt suit the team under Arteta. Hes really ur traditional full back. Its not that Arteta is poor in handling fringe players, they themselves know their own worth in the dynamics of the style the team is playing. N i would make a big assumption here that Tomiyasu knows he really is the swiss army knife in our defense. He knows hes a valued member!
Great content mate ❤ keep going 100k soon! 🎉
Very thought provoking, you’re really making me think with all these great videos lol. Keep up the great work man!
A few arguments against this:
1. Many new signings don't work. I'll take a player we know does work over a potentially better signing who might not.
2. We are terrible sellers of players. So unless the Saudis offer 50m, chances are it'll be a low level Italian side offering 8m + add ons, and whoever we replace him with will charge us 40m minimum.
If anyone must be moved on, that would be Zinchenko, and at editing point, Zinchenko doesn't fit any ceiling raiser profile. He is a floor, a high one but defensively a floor all the same.
Alex, just letting you know that your work is really second to none. Always thought provoking presentations that by the end of the video you walk away with much more to consider than when you started. Excellent at what you do! Appreciative!
Tomi watch this before yesterday game and took this personally
I'm so happy with our depth in defense. It's our strongest area! If you are going to raise the floor anywhere it needs to be Nketiah/Jesus or Partey/Elneny/Jorginiho.
Spot on
Really? Strongest? No way
@@urrisky oh but it cetainly is
Love your content DK. I know its tough to keep to your own style with the pressures of content creation. Hope you can stick to your fundamentals and continue to grow. "Shock-face" thumbnail incoming! I think a big part of his value is his ability to play a range of positions, similar to why I like Havertz and does speak to your "floor/ceiling" framework
Appreciate that mate. Agree re Havertz
First of all, I have to say I really enjoy your content, your video essays are the best Arsenal content on this platform so keep going, you deserve every success.
However this might be your worst opinion. Tomi IS starter level (gazillion times better than Zinny and more consistent than White for me), with the right level of confidence and fitness, he could be the best fullback in the world (I said could). He is two-footed, insanely versatile (RB, LB, CB), an insane defender of every situation (1v1, aerial, high line...) as well as, in my view, very good in attack (on the sample of the 21/22 season where he had reached heights I had never seen since Ashley Cole for a fullback).
All that makes him an invaluable asset than none of the alleged "superstars in the making" Diomande, Scalvini, Frimpong could possibility match in the short term (or ever). He fits the right age profile, has the best attitude, is close to reaching his peak and is shockingly underrated. He even started doing the inverted role very convincingly this season. If he can maintain his fitness, I genuinely believe he is TOP 4 most important/best players in this team.
We have other possible money raising sales in these positions/department in the short term that would give us almost the same amount of money (with Tierney, Kiwior and possibly Zinchenko), because let's face it, the sale of Tomi wouldn't amount nowhere near enough what he is really worth (about 80M+ in this crazy market), with him being criminally underrated and suitors unserious. Let's not forget we are blessed in depth for these positions (Timber, White, Zin, Tomi, KT, Kiwior?) and the players I mentioned before should be the only ones considered for sale (with Cedric being undesirable even in League One).
I hope this reasoning makes sense and looking forward to your next one ! COYG !
I dont have as high thoughts as you, but I agree in principle. I think Tomi is turning out better than Zinny and potentially more solid than White. If Tomiyasu gets just a little better at attacking, he would be versatility monster. Such incredible insurance you need if you want to go for both a league and CL title.
Players like Tomi and Trossard fill out the squad so much. This is what Kai COULD be like if he was a more reliable player. Kai should have at least 3/4 more goals than he has already but bottles it in front of goal.
I think Tomiyasu is worth 75 + it would be stupid for Arsenal to think about selling him when we got a good thing why would we throw it away. And that's from the head not hot
So happy you mentioned Diamonde, the profile is very interesting
I value tomi over white. White can play RB, CB and DM. We have cover in DM and CB if either of them go. Tomi can play LB CB and RB. We do not have cover in either LB or RB if white or tomi would go. I value only risking one position over two. Also I think White is better overall for us but the way we have set up against better teams shows a role for tomi that I haven't seen anyone in arsenal or anywhere else do where he's basically just a roamer. I think he was the reason we beat city and I'm not gonna sell that.
Who else can play 3 different positions from RB, CB, LB as good & consistent as Tomi? Selling him for even 60M, you will need to buy 2 or 3 players to do the job that he can do. Not for Sale
Thanks for the good discussion. The Tominator could play anywhere along the back four and he has been used as a specialist to neutralize quality threats from the wing position. No deals for Tomi until this season is over, but if the price right, a transfer has to be considered. If Tomi is happy in the swiss army knife role, great. But if he wants more regular football, we have to love him enough to let him go.
I fucking love the utter depths and nuances that this channel goes into when answering simple-sounding questions. Of course the answer is no, but then by the end of the video I’m like, hmm, he’s got a point. Great, constructed arguments.
Imagine Lee Gunner answering this:
“Selling Tomiyasu? Levels mate. What about buying Tomiyasu? The standards of this club. Dead manager” The end.
This did not age well😂😂😂After tonight's performance just delete this already😂😂
Difference is, Coutinho WANTED to leave AND the money was crazy
Same with city, cancelo wanted to leave so did Fernandinho, aswell as zinchenko. These players weren’t forced out Liverpool and City just had to react to what their players wanted, arsenal don’t need to sell tomi he’d be happy to stay so why create more headache. If saliba or Ben white get injured tomorrow he would fill
@@omother6950 You do know Tomitinfoil is injury prone right?
Brilliant insights...very thought provoking
tomiyasu is on his way to becoming another rolls Royce
Tomiyasu only leaves if he wants to leave
I agree with your point of view!
aged well
Why would Arsenal sell Tomiyasu in a situation where both parties are happy. No reports suggested that Bayern are going to spend 50-60mil on Tomi. They are probably looking for a cheap deal.
If you want to find extra funds, sell Partey, Tierney, Nketiah etc.
I wouldn’t sell for anything less than 80 mil in January. He’s so important, can play any position across the back 4, and with the injuries we have had we need to have him available. However, in the summer we will hope to have timber back, and I think Kiwior has a higher ceiling than tomi. Any serious off should be considered so we can reinvest in the squad. Love him to bits and he is so important for the title run this season but I don’t think he’s unsellable
Tomiyasu for me is one of the best defenders itw... Good vision, passing, controls, plays with both foots, hes good on the air, amazing on tackles, good decisions...
Just play him as Central Defender in a 4 / 3 defender line.
For me the best posible is:
Zinchenko Tomiyasu Saliba & Timber (or White)
Timber over Zinchenko, White on the right
4:30 bayern does have that sort of network, if there is someone better, they'd know and go for him instead.
Buying a player is always a risk, they might not fit in at the new club like they did the last one, Tomiyasu does. Find the replacement, test him, then sell.
Is our ceiling that high? GK, LB, Left No. 8 and CF positions are definitely not anywhere close to a ceiling. Plus in terms of raising the floor (our subs) we need a RM and right No. 8. So we have at least 6 other positions I'd rather fill first. Albeit, an improvement in Havertz and Vieira could reduce the need for no.8s.
you have to consider how young he is. Defenders rather peak close to their thirties. I think he has the perfect profile for a modern full back: Body and 1 on 1 ability like a centre back, but good on the ball and comfortable to invert. He might not have the creative output, but in a 2-3-5, which pretty much always is our attacking shape, is is a solid part of the 3 deep midfielders. I think there is a good chance that he can become one of the best on his position and it would be devestating to that happen at Bayern. Our 1st team defence is not gonna be fit forever (just like right now) he will get more than enough game time to improve even more.
Club does not want to sell, player does not want to leave. Case closed. Personally, he is the second most important player in the defence after Saliba, above Gabriel.
The thought this made me have is that the best course of action would be to keep Tomiyasu, but sell White. I feel like you can find a ceiling raiser on White. But keeping Tomi, as he can play all across the back four and is obviously quality, seems sensible.
I agree, I love white but it does feel like he's overrated by some fans. he's not on the same level as most of our first team players
Yes, selling White or Zinchenko instead would make more sense to me. Of course it depends on price, but I dont think the offers for Tomi will reflect his value. Like City got their money worth for Zinchenko, Sterling, Jesus, Palmer. Selling one of them for good money would be great.
I think you’re forgetting how versatile White himself is.. just because you’ve only seen him in RB and CB positions doesn’t mean he can’t play elsewhere.
Don’t forget that he hardly has bad games. Arteta seems to love versatile players because it helps with the rotation system we play. Players constantly rotating and switching positions makes it harder to play against us.
I wouldn’t sell anyone in that defense unless it was an instant obvious ceiling raiser.
Arsenal fans are short sighted, so what happens when we sell white and tomiyasu gets injured, who is good enough to come in and replicate both white and tomi, defensively and offensively, timber? It would be too much in timber since he's expected to sometimes play at LB, so if something is broken...
@@jacobalexander4167 The point is that finding a ceiling raiser is easier for our White than a floo raiser for Tomiyasu. The idea is that we would play someone better at right back, ideally a Rice quality player. (think of the upgrade from Partey to Rice, from a very good player to literally top 3 of his position in the world)
I'm so glad Tomiyaso is in the Arsenal team.
The guy is no nonsense, solid, built like a brickshithouse and versatile.....
I rate him alongside Saliba, Marghales, and Rice as being that absolute Steel impregnable Spine that no other team can fuck with....
However..........
Money talks, and if a top flight team are willing to part with STOOPID cash for his services.......we shall see.
For now, in recognition for what he brings to the team, i hope he'll be rewarded with a HANDSOME contract from Arsenal...
He's contract situation could be a reason why clubs are sniffing around. We tie him on a longer term contract, I see pontietal suitors looking elsewhere.
So Tomi moving will be a question of how much arsenal value him(what so of contract they are willing to offer him) and how happy is he with his current role
Open to any discussion around improvement but i don't think this is a robust argument whrn considering the type of money we'd actually get for Tomi. I get the point when applied more broadly though.
The thing with Tomi hes good with both feet and can either play as left or right Wing back and CB…also hes a tall strong lad, good team player who knows the system…considering all that there is no way he can leave in January. If Saliba or Gabriel gets injured he can easily replace them and rotate with White and Zinchenko depending on opponent and tactics…hes too versatile to sell in Jan. Definite NO
We should keep him precisely because of what happened last season when Saliba got injured last season
SO UNDERRATED! 🇯🇵
IF BAYERN ARE INTERESTED YOU HAVE SOMETHING OF VALUE!
I think he's gonna be in it for the long run, he's a perfect Arteta type of defender and seams the perfect professional. I would honestly prefer to let Zinny but we never know how Arteta will see it once timber finally in action for us. Either way i'm very excited about how good our defence is/can be as I love the age, defences are best when they grow and learn together.. we already know how good our attack can get. exciting times to come. COYG
I love Tomi. Hard working man and can play anywhere in the back.
Half time against Lens and this has already aged like milk
Still, we love TDK
There’s no player available in Europe right now who can replace Tomiyasu. You’ll need to buy minimum 2 or 3 player to replace what he offers Mikel Arteta right now .
HES DEFINITELY SIGNING THE NEW CONTRACT.
Who told you that?
Feels like the intro of your parents telling you they are going to divorce but everything will be fine
😂😂😂
If someone needs to be sold, should sell Kiwior to Roma if the price is right. Tomi is much more defensively solid imo
Didn't we alrdy buy a ceiling raiser in thisish position in jurrien timber?? An unlucky injury like this is why tomi's sale isn't prudent. But yeah what bout jurrien
I agree with everything you said… just not with Tomi.. with Zinchenko
You also have to keep in mind that merchandise sales in Japan have probably gone up significantly. This will also be taken into account before selling the player.
Would sell Ben white before I ever thought of selling Tomi
You talk about only selling him if we could find a ceiling raiser, i get that but then you mentioned two center back not full backs or inverted wing backs. you need to replace like for like, Tomi played both left and right back, not center back although he can. I was genuinely excited to see who you could name as a replacement but you let me down there. If you was making a case for the potential sale of Gabriel then the two you mentioned would be interesting.
I think it would make sense if he moved on in the summer, but January would leave a massive hole in the squad. We can't get complacent, A player like Tomiyasu will be extremely useful in the run-in, especially if we're juggling some injuries and still in the Champions League.
The summers going to be very interesting. I think Mickel will really push to the next stage of the squad build. It wouldn't surprise me to see lots of former starters leave.
Love u broo❤
When Timber went out I bet they all sat down and sighed pheww thank god we didn't sell Tommy
My only argument is this: Selling him when he's finally starting to click is the biggest mistake imo. New guys will have their own adjustment period which will affect our overall chemistry.
I really love your videos
Tomi would have to go for over £70mm to make it worthwhile in January. I’d be happy to unload Eddie in January if we could get some decent scratch while his stats are padded. Maybe to a basement dweller looking for goals in a bid to stay up.
Kiwior is a quality player. Sadly he's been a victim of circumstances. Saliba-Gabriel partnership just functioning too well at the moment. But there could be a much bigger role for him in the future.
You need to be ready to get down & dirty....rough as a defender. Kiwior is too clean.
Sadly he's been a victim of circumstances??
Only at Arsenal
It would be a shame if we sold Tomiyasu. If Bayern want him, it's a clear sign not to sell.
with timber out, we can't get rid of Tomi
you have to aknowledge that he is literally developing every game he plays, when he initally played for RB, it was his first time playing as RB and few games after pocketing wingers like salah, Son. Then when he became, LB he lacked in inverted LB skill like zinchenko, however after one game he is playing the inverted role. And after Tommy claimed his RB position this season, he was lacking in overlaps but look at yesterdays game, he is overlaping and giving great crosses. He is literally evolving every game and improving. Also his defending skills are beyond superB mate.
I think when Timber returns Tomiyasu will be more suited to the system then, when we play a more traditional back 3 like we did at the start of this season.
Realistic transfers for a guaranteed PL title:
Nketiah + cash -> Toney
Smith Rowe + Ramsdale -> Pedro Neto
Sell Partey + cash -> Douglas Luiz
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Net expenditure ~ £50-60 million for a near-complete squad improvement.
// Nketiah way better than Wissa.
// Wolves considering selling Sa + need more creativity.
+ Toney is as fast as Eddie, stronger & a good aerial threat.
Kane-like passing vision + incredible linkup play.
+ Pedro Neto offers the best of Saka and Martinelli in a single package and will cover both wings.
+ Douglas Luiz is as close to perfect & proven a replacement for 22/23 Partey you can find.
The most unrealistic transfer is Douglas Luiz. The others are very realistic to get done and simultaneously raise the ceiling & floor of the squad.
I think he should be starting at least 60% of our games. Obviously slots in easily at center back for willo or Gabi if they're unfit or need a rest, slots in at left or right back when we need more defense on that side or at the 60 min mark to shut out a game. Personally think he's one of the best players in our squad but it's hard to drop Benjamin unless we dropped Kai and played a 5-2-3 against the big champions league clubs
I feel selling Tomiyasu would be one of our biggest misktes of the seasons simply put who will be RB if White is injured or break? Timber Injured, Cedric shit, Norton-Cuffy loan and Walters is being converted into a CB. Also Zinny what happens if he gets injured/break KT is on loan and Sousa might not be ready. The guy can play anywhere and is always class if we are going to sell him do it in the summer so we can look at getting a replacement either through academy or sign. RN would be awful and would damage our season massively.
I would sell Tomiyasu for £50M, but Arteta would most likely want Simikan and this ain't happening in January.
Nice argument 👍
Pls no
The eye test beats that AI analytics and jargon if it brought in Willian and Kai "Willow the Wisp" Havertz (goal vs the Bees does not wash away even 1/5th the sins).
Who else raises our floor across ALL defensive positions as much? I cant remember any player ever doing so so well.
Bayern have similar access to data and better profile and aren't choosing those other players.
Nah nah, tomi is the reason we can be in every competition.
Except the Carabao Cup where West Ham embarrassed him...
*Others* : _"If you are important defender, who you will be?nr. 2?4?5?or3?"_
*Tomiyasu* : _"YES!"_
My guess is we are coming close to the "FFP limit" so either we wan't or not we are going to have to sell players, if we don't, we won't be able to buy, and maybe not even be able to comlete the Raya deal.
Great to position different arguments. But Tommy is arguably better then Zinny and Ben White. Why don’t you do one on selling Saliba next?! 🙄😆🔴⚪️
As much as I hate to say it, we'll need to have this conversation about Smith-Rowe and possibly Nketiah eventually.
Esr hell no, that would be suicidal , nketiah needs to go asap
Tomi ain't going anywhere.
Like Mudryk isn't?
@@SteveBarrow-lp2ns wtf are you on baout buddy?
The guy is ambidextrous and can play all 4 positions of defence at a very high level. It is a unique and an excellent profile for a player trying to achieve a long run across multiple competitions. Definitely KEEP.
The problem with all of this is that no clubs apart from PL and Saudi clubs can afford our players
2 minutes in and I want to say you're absolutely right.😜
If they want anyone, let them buy Kieran Tierney
This only makes sense if Timber comes good. Arsenal have to sell to buy now, so I accept some players I like will leave. Arsenal need a midfielder, winger and striker. They don't come cheap.
How about a video on those who we really need to sell?
Ramsdale
Cedric
ESR
Tierney
Tavares
Lokonga
Let's say bayern pay €80m for Tomiyasu ,can we find the good replacement that can immediately tune in?I don't think so. Inter ask for scalvini last summer atalanta wanted €60-80m,we don't get profit if we sell tomiyasu,better keep him.
truth be told i love your content alot 🥲
Oh and argument 3: he isn't a backup or squad player. He's a vital first team player in certain games. If we know a team is good in the air, he acts as a third CB in the back line. Times have changed. He's not outside the first 11. He's part of the best 15 we use for lineups.
I love your points about squad evolution but I think you are looking to fix a system that is not broke with no guarantee it’s better
Even with squad evolution, there are the key players like saka and saliva you don’t touch and then you have the crucial players to the squad, players that are good and know their role and have accepted it like trossard, kiwior and TOMIYASU
Tomiyasu is a warrior that never complains on whatever is asked from him, can play across the whole back line and I think he is scarily good at 1v1 defending and even evolving to add an attacking edge and understanding what Mikel wants in his fullback I think his personality of not complaining does a disservice to how good he can be.
I normally agree with your takes but I think you got it wrong here but that’s football we all enjoy and process it differently so you aren’t per se wrong. I just don’t agree
Agreed. He is the best substitute defender for covering up any injury in the backline in a game. He's too solid. If he played for someone else,we all would've appreciated him even more.
Tomiyasu is a no-sell for me. I think we need to change our system instead to a 352/3421. Imagine a defense with Gabriel/Saliba/Tomiyasu and Timber at RWB and maybe Grimaldo at LWB. We still have Ben White/Zinchenko/Kiwior as cover
Bro plz this aint fut