The Adamantium Wolverine has is called True Adamantium and his Adamantium is made even more unique because his bones can heal like anyone eles's. It's why his claws never needs sharpening.
Glad to help and here is what I wrote Death Battle and I put a lot of work into this research: So I am just going to throw this out there Wiz and Boomstick, I love Death Battle but some of your research is woefully lacking. Wolverine's healing factor isn't connected/housed in his brain, it's in every cell of his body. Here is one example of proof, www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/2gz34m/til_that_wolverine_once_healed_from_a_single_drop/ . Another example of proof you actually used in your video. At 4:20 you yourselves say he was "blown up leaving nothing but his Adamantium skeleton". This happened when Nitro who is a living bomb was under the effects of the MGH or Mutant Growth Hormone and burnt every bit of flesh on wolverine until only bone was left and nothing but fire and scant pieces of rubble all around. The only things not flattened were trees which appear to be just about level with Nitro's waist from a point of view slightly lower than his own meaning the trees in the background must have been at least a few hundred feet away at minimum. arousinggrammar.com/2013/05/21/wolverine-hunts-down-that-jerk-nitro-pt-1/ Nitro had previously destroyed a whole neighborhood with a similar sized blast. A blast that size could literally turn your brain to mush from the blast wave assuming like Wolverine you have a way to leave more than ash behind. The human brain is always suspended in a fluid to keep it from rattling against your skull and killing you. The pressure wave given off by Nitro would have slammed his brain into the back of his skull and according to your studies, killed him. science.howstuffworks.com/explosion-land-water1.htm This is putting aside that his brain would have already been fried. The human eye is connected directly to the brain via a hole in your skull. If Nitro's explosion was big enough and powerful enough to incinerate all of Wolerine's flesh in a matter of one or two seconds then the explosion could easily go through the small hole our eyes use to connect with the brain and burn the brain internally putting aside the fact that his metal skull could just as easily baked his brains in it's own fluids. Then there's your argument that Raiden could cut through Wolverine's claws with enough hits which is also false as his Adamantuim bones can heal just like normal bones. This is because his Adamantium is not a normal type of Adamantium but a True Adamantium which caused a reaction with his healing factor allowing his Adamantium to be healed just like any other bone which is also why his blades never need to be sharpened. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/James_Howlett_(Earth-616)#Paraphernalia In short your Death Battle was either sloppy or biased, both of which are not a good thing for a channel like this which claims to do proper research on the fighters and their capabilities.
Bra you right man Wolverine has also Stabbed through Thanos and took hits from marvel characters that are solar system level.Silver Samurai's tachyon helps him cut through ghosts which don't have a physical presence and still couldn't get past Adamantium.
I think Screw Attack's point is that the blade 'destabilizes' metal, meanin', the molecular bonds are impacted, so it is effectively weakened, so with enough strength, the metal can then be cut through. The whole point of a BLADE, is to cut, not just sit on an object to destabilize it, hence the blade was modified with the high frequency - the whole purpose of this modification, is to make it cut through resistant metal, again, not to melt metal, but to cut through it. Also, this is a contact weapon, so the wielder's strength is a valid variable and Raiden is far more powerful than Wolverine. Lastly, Wolverine would not be able to destroy Raiden's blade because his metal skeleton is weakened on a molecular level. But these arguments could go on an on 'cause Wolverine has a far superior library to go back and pull any variant of wolverine out of, hence one version of him has to be used. So yes, most definitely, some variants of Wolverine can defeat Raiden.
it's not even different variants, if you just go by the canon version of him 616 it hasn't ever been rebooted so all his feats from canon comics count. As long as it's not some alternate universe or a situation where he has something amping him beyond his normal power, then it's the same variant...
I accepted the fact that my boy wolvie lost. But after seeing this, I smiled the whole time, man early death battle didn’t know shit. I mean they still don’t today but they’ve gotten better.
Ummmmmmm I wouldn’t say they’ve gotten better 😂 they’ve gotten a lot more wrong than right lately either accidentally or on purpose and it’s just blurred together.
Base Anonymous. Because every now and then when they hit they hit, also I do enjoy the breakdown and especially if it’s a series something I’m familiar with seeing if their right or not. Also the animations lately have been amazing and I’m down to support their animators.
People also forget there’s different varieties of Adamantium and Wolverine actually possesses the best one because it REGENERATES If it couldn’t, MAYBE Raiden might’ve won but it does, so Wolverine wins
Im Just John even if it couldn’t Raiden simply does not have anything to harm the adamantium, talking about a metal that has at minimum solar system level durability consistently, Raiden is definitely a bit stronger then Wolverine physically but one slice from Wolverines claws one shots plus Wolverine is faster by a lot, being able to dodge lasers and other characters that have consistently reacted to lasers, while Raiden’s best feat that I’ve seen calc is only mach 4000, Wolverine would only lose if it was Wolverine from the movies, and if it was Logan pre adamantium
gRAVITY_OG1 Wolverine’s speed is not ftl and the whole laser thing is taken out of context he dodges lasers before they are even fired not after they have been fired there’s a difference his most consistent speed is above barely superhuman.
gRAVITY_OG1 Wolverine’s skeleton durability doesn’t matter much since the HF blade literally weakens the molecules that make it up allowing its durability to drastically decrease.
@@kartikeyamisra6683 wolverine has resisted molecular cutting many times, a couple of examples in this video, but he’s also resisted black panthers claws which are made of vibranium, which has also been stated to cut on molecular level. Also the lasers thing isn’t taken out of context and here is why. Let’s say I’m fighting Mike Tyson in his prime and I know 0.5 seconds before he hits me that he’s gunna hit me. Doesn’t mean i can do shit to stop that attack, because I’m not fast enough. Wolverine could know half a second before the laser is fired that it’s gunna get fired at him, but he has to be fast enough to dodge it. Which he clearly is since he’s dodged Lasers and Cyclops optic blasts, he’s also tagged spiderman who can casually dodge lightning
This debunk will be the deconstruction by me. Anyways let's get into why I think this video is incorrect. 1. Firstly the adamantium wielding lady has the same adamantium as wolverine because there's no evidence to support that there's different types of adamantium. Sure it'll take some progress for the HF blade to cut through Wolverine's skeleton, Raiden can use his visor to spot Logan's weakpoints which would be the malleable discs in each bone that wouldn't be covered in adamantium otherwise Logan wouldn't be able to move since the metal would lock the discs in place, Raiden can deduces through weakpoints until he can cut through him. 2. There's a difference between Silver Samurai's tachyon blade and Raiden's HF blade. The tachyon blades is covered with faster than light particles that only increases the strength of blade. It doesn't give the tachyon blade molecular destructive capabilities, if it did the blade would have cut through Wolverines claws in the comics, besides the tachyon blade has never be stated to have molecular destructive capabilities anyways. Raiden's HF sword on the other hand is reinforced with a high frequency current that lets it destroy other materials on a molecular level. So the biggest difference is that the HF blade has molecular destructive capacity while the tachyons in Silver Samurai's blade only increases his cutting power. 3. It admit that Logan have superior durability and stamina. Though moving fast enough for the world to seem frozen would require a speed of 1,534 MPH. Hypersonic speeds however are 9'896 MPH which is much faster than the previous speed is mentioned. There's also the fact that Raiden has superior versatility with his arsenal of blades and longer range. czcams.com/video/gnC45qt8Mfc/video.html Also if Wolverine were to cut the blade, Raiden can use another one and be more careful about it. Wolverine wouldn't be able to cut through to back of the blade anyways since all of the blade is covered with the high frequency and Raiden's ability to slow down his perception of time. 4. While I do agree that Wolverine is going to be a tough opponent for Raiden because of his durability and experience, HECK Logan will give Raiden some major injuries in need of Raiden and make Raiden drain his fuel supply. But because Raiden outclasses Wolverine in more categories and his HF blade can cut through adamantium as shown in exhibit 1, Raiden is capable of killing and defeating Wolverine. Will it be difficult for Raiden to kill Wolverine? YES. Is it impossible for Raiden to kill wolverine? NO
Thank for the response, but allow me to show you my counter-debunk 1. Even when Raiden's knows Wolverine's weakpoints, Logan can dodge some hits from Raiden and the first stab from Raiden's sword isn't gonna make Wolverine go down as easily. But still... 2. Because part of Wolverine's spine is a weakpoint, Raiden will exploit that weakpoint and deduce it if striking everywhere else failed. Though Wolverine will try to prevent Raiden from getting in a good hit as you mentioned. Also reaction speed would be useless against something much faster. Take lightning and a car for example. Both the car and lightning are faster than the person. But the person can dodge the fast moving car, but the person doesn't have the reaction time to dodge lightning because it's soo much faster than car and human combined. See what I mean. 3. Wolverine only harmed Thanos because Logan managed to let Thanos's guard down. An opponent who's guard is down would suffer more damage than a person who has his guard up. That example applies to Goku when he had his chest pierced by a laser because his guard was let down. Though because of Logan's metal bones, Raiden is gonna rely on striking Logan's weakspot's since doing that is much easier than trying to cut thorough an entire metal skeleton. The only reason why Sabretooth lost to Wolverine is because he didn't have to strength to get through Logan's adamantium bones. 4. While the Tachyon sword and the HF blades are similar, they're still different in how they cut. The tachyon sword has never been stated to have molecular destructive capacity like take a 1000 degree knife for example. This knife is enhanced by heat particles to increase it's cutting power, but can it destroy materials on a molecular level? No it can't. 1000 degrees isn't enough to melt steel and there's no way an ordinary knife can cut through steel. So does the 1000 degree knife have molecular destructive capacity because it's enhanced by particles? NO. The same thing goes for the tachyon blade, it's enhanced by other particles but it doesn't give it molecular destructive capacity. 5. In the first fight with Sam, Raiden had his right eye and arm cut off and lost a lot of artificial blood but is able to hold on. So Raiden should hold his own for some time if stabbed to the gut. czcams.com/video/PZHIXnDs4qE/video.html There's was no proof in saying that Sam destroyed the blade, if that happened he would have done it by cutting the sword with a more powerful HF blades and broke if when it's not vibrating at a high frequency. Senator Armstrong has broken the blade before because he has nano-machines that are designed to resist against anything, even against the HF blade.
I see your next debunk is on Mega man and astro boy. I might debunk it cause it think that some evidence that Astro boy wins, but I also think Mega man can win against him. I'll have to see.
Wrong. Read Wolverine Origins. Its been stated that Silver Samurai’s muramasa blade can cut through even in between molecules. Go read comics more douce
Sir Splash ss did used the murasama blade in some stories. Not his standard weapon but still used it. Also Wolverine Origins is a core part of the Wolverine mythos. The fact that Marvel Comics actually allowed it to be published meant so. So its story of the murumada balde being able to splice molecules is true. I also didnt stated it to have cut through adamantium. But still able to splice through anything else. Its even stated in some wikia articles.
I'm a die hard fan of both Marvel and Metal Gear Franchise but ScrewAttack was pretty bias on Raiden lmfao they used a full upgraded version of him using jetstream sam's sword and to wolverine they used a typical normal comic version of him. They didn't even include X men Origins Wolverine Game Combos (2009) just the berserker barrage lol and Logan can also parry not just Raiden. It was supposed to be a close match cause wolvie could also hit heavy critical blows but overall Raiden still got this W in exchance of multiple adamantium claw damages. Wolverine also matched up against a speedster with a blade faster than Raiden I still don't get why they missed that in the comics.
Throughout the fight, they actually display Wolverine and Raiden’s advantages over each other pretty well TBH. Raiden is a lot faster and more skilled, so, he lands more blows than Wolvie. However, Logan’s adamantium is exceptionally fatal, hence why Raiden fled to a rooftop, healed with the mech, and entered Jack the Ripper mode after being stabbed. Not only have we seen Raiden sustain quite a lot of damage similar to Wolverine’s output and react fairly similarly to how he does in the fight, but don’t forget that although yes he was wielding the Murasama throughout the whole fight, it really didn’t actually play much significance until the climax and conclusion of it.
did misty night demonstrate cutting? no so that is still asuming but considering how it seemed to have melted reletively quik its safe to say that a sharp blade with raidens speed and strength could cut if you study tests simular to misty night melting a sword you can estimate how that would do against a cutting variant and considering it melted without any visual flames that means it either melted very fast or is diffrent from the way your describing it see raidens sword has shown feats that while impressive cannot relate to such a metal but assuming armstrongs nanomachines reattached an arm with visable heat the nanomachines forcably went high enough heat to boil blood (or help heal a wound) in seconds to what it seems to re attach melecular bonds then cooled down in seconds what looks to be faster than wolverine visualy that means raidens sword can disable melecular bonds so fast that the defensive regen cannot re attatch fast enough and considering raiden messed his brain up even though media sometimes wont potray it correctly science proves that memory cannot be replaced or regened then wolverine is basically dead with a memory of a new born of cource if anybuty can prove me wrong in this theory i will note it and research their points to see if they are correct and btw considering she melted a metal with no regen im sure raidens is faster also "The one that wolverine has is Adamantium-Beta. Wolverine possesses Regenerative Healing powers. ... He can regenerate his Skeleton very quickly, but the Adamantium takes time to grow back. So he probably just had a few weeks with normal bone claws, until the Adamantium Beta grew back.May 26, 2014" link to scource movies.stackexchange.com/questions/19701/why-does-wolverine-still-have-adamantium-claws-in-x-men-days-of-future-past now silver samurai is only simular but before that misty knight was made in 2011 the comic featuring wolverine and silver samurai was in 1982 making the possibility of it having outdated for a lack of better frazing power levels and in a more recent fight in media a sword flaming instead of sparkling energy making it not as focused and probably not as sharp it cuts straight through czcams.com/video/EwW7gtz6KVU/video.html so that statement 5:12 is wrong already mnaking raiden in the lead but as i just stated sivler samurai used what looks to be worse of an hf blade and still cut him like butter now while i do not doubt wolverines healing factor you over exadurate his limits in one of the only frame by frame fights czcams.com/video/J0LMf-sLt4M/video.html wolverines defense is not whats keeping him in the fight it is working but he dodges and cuts mostly and raiden is faster and stronger then hulk would be out of world buster and also wolverine gets rekt and incapasitated czcams.com/video/Tf67QRl7mWM/video.html here again wolverine dodges he dosent walk off blows from thors hammer he was defeated when struck constant death blows after would surely at least stop him from being able to fight besides thor is not even enraged thor isnt trying to kill or really hurt wolverine thor and wolverine match through wolverines defense being too great for thor in most cases though but raiden has a secret weapon anyway now as raiden says to good old jetstream sam playtimes over here is why exactly he would win a sword that cuts on the molecular level simular but even though its more mysticle it literally cuts exactly the same so fk misty knight this is what they shoulve used god they went so deep they didint check the surface scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/14380/how-does-the-muramasa-blade-block-wolverines-regeneration-capability this victory is easier than you think for raiden and ive proven so much i dont need to state how his next statements are either wrong or unreasonable now i really hope he sees this so he can understand his mistakes and maybe call mine edit: so basically raidens first hits are fatal also raiden isnt a robot and rain is so fast in blade mode wolverine cannot block it also 10:54 that is wrong i think he dosent know much about raiden raiden had to get to his helecopter after the sundowner boss not the infinite ripper mode monsoone boss and he did so because they were trying to get to the event sundowner describes to rival 911 to stop it not recharge like a gass station raiden dosent need fuel like a car his blood is enough his regenative propertys and super human speed need fuel yknow his NEW cyborized feats as he only needs fuel for enhancing his feats to stupid levels as his back up systems he gains fuel for blade mode on a parry as his heartrate spikes giving him some type of blood fuel system or something reaction speed is diffrent from movement you may percieve time as slow as the flash but you are still immoble as you are not that fast see wolverine is not as fast and he needs to be pretty good at predicting to dodge blade time wich can cut i giant ug (basically a metal gear) at lighting speed with its own giant blade and destroy a mg ray by using simular speeds before his op enhancements *12:38** to me is irelivant pantering* and again thats wrong silver can cut wolverines bones like butter
I don't know if you'll get this or even care to reply back but here are my arguments for Wolverine. I'm basically taking Raidens base feats as demonstrated in The DeathBattle video. If those are not accurate then please educate me. Thor and Hulk are Universal level Threats. So you may not consider their feats. But you can't argue with Thing, Namor and Spidey. These are characters whose striking strength ranges from Multi Galaxy level to Multi City Block level. Silver Samurai cutting through Wolverine is a good argument but Consider that majority of their battles are won by Wolverine. Arguments about Raiden being superior to Silver Samurai can be made but Samurai actually can cut through immaterial foes like Ghosts and Spirits. Raiden is still physically bound. So Wolverine being cut down by something that's neta physical is still superior to the HF blade. And Yet again there are feats to suggest that Antarctic Vibranium is not sufficient enough to Cut down Wolverine. As Black Panther has Anti Metal Claws. Which are superior version of Antarctic Vibranium. They still are unable to break through Wolverine's Adamantium. And Even if Raiden does manage to get through it he would still be slow. Wolverine is speed wise Hypersonic to Sub Reletavistic( Near Light speed ). These can be confirmed from scaling From Cyclops , Spidey and base Hulk. Wolverine regularly can get the better of these characters. I don't know if Raiden is faster than light or not but if he isn't Wolverine is gonna be a blur to him. These are his consistent feats. If go for the Higher end feats he can be scaled to Planetary levels.
Omega Deadpool I feel like being the one to stand up for Raiden here. Raiden actually clocks in at Sub-Relativistic thanks to his fight against Senator Armstrong. Why is that the case? Armstrong could casually react to and catch Raiden’s sword while he was in Ripper Mode, which is Sub-Relativistic. Since Armstrong could move at this speed (and likely greater), and Raiden could match Armstrong, this means Raiden could match and possibly surpass Wolverine. I don’t know too much about Silver Samurai, so you’re gonna have to correct me if I’m wrong. Can’t Silver Samurai only damage ghosts because of the tachyon field that envelopes his sword? Just because it can damage things on a different plane of existence, it does not exactly mean that it would deal, say, double damage toward a living opponent. This goes without saying, but Raiden is immensely stronger than Wolverine. Screwattack didn’t even use his best feat. While he was damaged and missing an arm (at least I think he was missing an arm), he stopped the Outer Haven, which was a giant submarine, in a short amount of time. I actually checked to see, and this required over 7 million tons of force to pull off. Raiden is basically swinging around a sword (that negates durability) with that much strength, and since this would make him stronger than Black Panther, this means that his strength is actually the reason why the HF blade can cut through Wolverine. While Wolvie’s experience fighting Hulk and other characters means he could handle Raiden physically, he can only prolong the inevitable against a cyborg that strong with a sword like that. It’s late at night where I’m at, so I’m sorry if some of the stuff I say doesn’t make sense or seems a bit farfetched.
@@ConnorDiesel Assuming their speed is similar, i.e near FTL. This Battle would come down to Attack Potential and Durability. For Wolverine's Durability I can say that is should at least be Planetary level. Possibly higher but it would be a highball. Planetary in the sense that he has tanked attacks that should destroy planets and survived. In addition to that he also feats of surviving attacks from Thor, Hulk and Juggernaut. Thor and Hulk especially have Universal to Multiversal level feats of Attack potential. But let's take a decent lowball of Planetary as most of the time Wolverine faced them they weren't at their peak. During the World War Hulk event Wolverine was capable of tanking Multiple attacks from a Hulk who had just previously Trashed a planet. Wolverine walks away from Atomic Explotions like they are nothing and even attacks that should destroy Tectonic Plates. I'd put His Durability at Multi City Block-Continental and Planetary at the higher end. Silver Samurai is able to hurt Intangible and Extradimentional beings due to the fact that the Tachyon sword travels back through time and space. This does cut through Wolverine but it takes time and effort. I don't think cutting back in time is the same as HF blade. The HF blade destroys bonds but S.Sam reverses them. As for Attack Potential Wolverine Has consistently sliced through base Hulk and Human Versions of Thor. They Survive Planets and Stars exploding on them without even having a scratch. Hulk and Thor have survived weapons so sharp they directly cuts through atoms. Thor in particular survived a Neutron Star Collapsing on him. Iron Man's armour which survived multiple Nukes and Star level attacks was cleaved through by Wolverine. Also Wolverine's Adamantium is much better because of Plot. He can cut through Ultron Prime whose exoskeleton is made of Adamantium. Even when Black Panther tried to cut it he couldn't. Bottom line Wolverine's Attack Potential should also roughly be in the ranges of his Durability. Continental to Small Star level Now I have given you the conservative estimate and Highballed estimates of Wolverine. Now if you can provide feats of Raiden being similar to these I'd give in to Raiden winning. Raiden is skilled enough to win this if he is in the same Blade park as Wolverine. Feats that can put him Country level to Planet Surface levels should be a win for him.
Good job, this is one of the only accurate debunks ever, normally they're just Dragon Ball fanboys pulling stuff out of their ass because they're upset their character lost a death battle that they should've lost. You should have mentioned how good his healing factor is, apparently he has regenerated from a drop of blood once, and injuries like a broken hand can heal in a matter of seconds
That's kind of harsh. I myself am a dragon Ball fan. If Superman had legitimately won, I wouldn't have cared. (Personally I think they would be more or less evenly matched) But if you go back and watch the video they deliberately calculate Goku's stats wrong. He's actually shown to get slower as he Powers up even though that's not how it works. They also claim Superman's power is infinite, despite the fact that they also say a blue Sun supercharges him even though that shouldn't make a difference at all if his power is already infinite. And any Superman fan will tell you his power does have a limit, but similar to Goku, he can break those limits. And then in death battle x, Vegeta, who is the same species as Goku with all the same powers, effortlessly defeats zod, who is the same species as Superman with all the same powers. But let's change the subject. I disagree with Ben 10 versus green lantern, hulk versus doomsday, this death battle, and likely a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head. And I disagree with the outcomes of these battles for completely valid reasons. Just in case you wanted to tell me I was biased and/or that I was a stupid fanboy. Death battle. Is. Bullshit.
Death battles were my first 1 v1 type fight till i found gause who danco but i got so mad when i was younger cause i was a wolverine fanboy thank u for debunking i like how unbiased u r and u aways state go facts
Reality Ensures Reality Ensures in Death Battle/DBX Ultimately what usually decides the winner of most fights in Death Battle. Batman vs. Spiderman demonstrates why being a Badass Normal doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, can nullify your greatest asset and is just as crafty and clever as you are. Likewise, Black Panther vs. Batman also demonstrates that if your opponent is just as much of a strategic genius and has a Nigh-Invulnerable super suit that you're not prepared for, you'd be in for a losing battle. Similarly, the Master Chief vs. Doomguy video shows why being what amounts to a Badass Normal One-Man Army doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, isn't Unskilled, but Strong in comparison to the enemies you fight, has fought much more experienced, skilled and/or tougher enemies, can nullify your greatest asset, and has much more experience in combat. In a similar vein, Dante wins his match by nullifying Bayonetta's two greatest assets: 1: Quicksilver cancels out Witch Time, and 2: Wicked Weaves are just demons that Dante eats for breakfast. In Blanka vs. Pikachu, after the two spend some time brawling conventionally, Blanka takes advantage of his superior size and simply grabs Pikachu and bites his head off. Goku vs. Superman does a lot to deconstruct the idea of a reckless, at times stupid Blood Knight with the destructive power to level everything for miles around. Goku challenges Superman to a fight, to which Superman politely declines. When Goku attacks him anyway, an astounded Superman says "You're Insane!" Their resulting fight goes through repeated Serial Escalation as Goku goes through his Super Saiyan forms, with Superman matching him blow for blow, until the Earth explodes due to the backlash of their most powerful attacks. The second match ups the ante as Goku decides to haul out his Super Saiyan God form for their rematch. Superman? Decides enough's enough and tanks Goku's God Kamehameha, grabs him by the neck and uses both heat and x-ray vision to disintegrate his brain. In the afterlife, King Kai essentially tells Goku there's no way you can beat a character like Superman, getting the Saiyan to finally stand down. Using up all your energy in a flashy, powerful attack might look cool, but it'll backfire horribly if your opponent manages to survive it. Ryu, Tifa Lockhart, Ichigo, and Cloud all learned this the hard way. While Naruto also used one, Ichigo was in no shape to survive it. Red, as a Pokémon trainer, has always relied on his Pokémon to fight, a rule enforced by the rules of Pokémon battling / game mechanics. Tai, however, has been involved in fights before such as when he got into a fist-fight with his friend Matt while in the Digital World. While Tai doesn't have actual fighting training, he's still got more experience and is more willing to use it on Red, quickly disabling him. The above issue helped secure the win for the Digimon team. Since Charizard relies on Red to come up with a strategy, he's quickly overwhelmed when his trainer can't give him any assistance. Having a Super Mode is great... unless it only last a few minutes and is tied to external resources. Also, even if it makes you physically invulnerable, if it doesn't protect your mind from being wiped completely by an extremely powerful psychic, it's useless too. Shadow loses to Vegeta and Mewtwo for these two reasons.. Having a Healing Factor is great, but it's useless if it can be heavily taxed. This is what costs Deathstroke, Wolverine, Majin Buu, the Hulk, Vergil, Carnage, and Bane their battles. While Deadpool, Doomsday, and Venom also had healing factors, theirs were measurably stronger than Deathstroke's, the Hulk's, and Bane's, allowing them to overwhelm their opponents. Scrooge's wooden Cane Fu is utterly useless against Shovel Knight, a knight in very tough metal armour. He bounces on the armored knight three times, failing to deal any damage, and gets a brutal beatdown for his trouble. Scrooge is far more successful once he gets a hold of Shovel Knight's own weapon. Twilight Sparkle always needs her friends and/or a MacGuffin to overpower her show's villains when it comes to magic. She's denied both here, and when fighting she never has any more strategy than simply teleporting around, shielding herself, and blasting the enemy until it goes away. Combine both and Raven is far more successful against Twilight. Starscream's Null Ray may disable any electronics it hits, but it's completely useless against completely organic beings like Rainbow Dash. Starscream's combat record is also piss-poor, meaning that he is quickly overwhelmed by the much faster Dashie. "Leon S. Kennedy vs. Frank West" essentially pits an experienced, highly-trained government agent versus a guy with several improvised weapons but lacks proper training. This is one of the reasons why the former wins. David vs. Goliath can be easily invoked on Humongous Mecha as well. This is what costs the Power Rangers two battles in Death Battle and one in DBX as while the Megazord, Thunder Megazord and Tigerzord tower over Voltron, the Burning Gundam and Gundam Epyon, the latter three have the speed, ingenuity and just the right weaponry to overwhelm the Zords and turn them into scrap. This also allows Zero to destroy Metal Overlord. Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, a reason why Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to the lightning-absorbing Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu. Dan Hibiki has never canonically won a duel. This is one of the reasons why Hercule wins. Another major deciding factor: Hercule is a Joke Character in Dragon Ball, yes. But he's still the world's strongest completely normal human in a cast where the next strongest character is at the very least an Empowered Badass Normal. Compared to Dan, who's a joke in his own world where most fighters are still mildly rooted in realistic power, Hercule in a stand-up fight would completely overwhelm Dan. Hercules' willingness to cheat when things get dire was just for overkill's sake. One of the major reasons behind the outcome of "Smokey Bear vs. McGruff the Crime Dog". McGruff may be a human-sized anthropomorphic bloodhound, but trying to wrestle an 800-pound black bear does not end well for him. His blows are easily shrugged off by Smokey, and when he manages to pin Smokey down, Smokey easily uses his superior strength to turn the situation around and pin him down instead. As Sweet Tooth found out the hard way, being slightly stronger and more durable than the average human won't protect you from toxic gas and suffocation. Oh, and leaving the safety of your powerful mecha to "personally" kill your opponent, because they talk you into doing it no less, probably isn't a good idea. With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives lots of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her. If one of the opponent's strongest attacks capitalizes on a crippling weaknesses and they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last. Just because you can disable someone's mind and soul doesn't mean their body will stop cold without some kind of restraint in place. When that body is flying as fast, and is as durable, as Master Roshi's, you do not want to be in its path if you can avoid it. Jiraiya failed to account for that, and that mistake cost him his life. A reality-warping gauntlet is great...unless it only works in its home universe. Just ask Thanos. In "Goro vs. Machamp", after the latter defeats the former, Machamp poses for the camera... only to pass out shortly after. Victor or not, Machamp suffered some pretty nasty wounds during the fight, namely burns from Goro's dragon fire (which activated his Guts ability and helped nail a win, but still...) and having his lower-left arm torn off. In general, being Unskilled, but Strong doesn't work out very well for combatants unless they have an overwhelming advantage in power. This was the downfall of Mob and Sailor Galaxia, especially since their opponents had plenty of training and experience to back up their raw power. Having a minor to massive speed advantage against your opponent, while a pretty significant edge, generally matters little if your opponents strength and durability eclipses you several times over. The likes of The Terminator, Gamera, Knuckles, Ichigo, Jotaro, Jin, Sonicnote In the 2018 rematch against Mario. Jiraiya, Sasuke, Leonardonote Against Jason Lee Scott. Goro, and Zuko all learned this the hard way. The exact opposite is true as well: Holding a decent strength and durability advantage likely won't matter if your opponent is much, much faster. Just ask Quicksilver, Sindel, and She-Ra. Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu. While both Danny Phantom and Jake Long have fought against dragons and ghosts respectively, Danny had fought dragons that were stronger than Jake, while the ghosts that Jake fought were far weaker than Danny. This gave Danny better experience against Jake than vice-versa.
Reality Ensures in Death Battle/DBX Ultimately what usually decides the winner of most fights in Death Battle. Batman vs. Spiderman demonstrates why being a Badass Normal doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, can nullify your greatest asset and is just as crafty and clever as you are. Likewise, Black Panther vs. Batman also demonstrates that if your opponent is just as much of a strategic genius and has a Nigh-Invulnerable super suit that you're not prepared for, you'd be in for a losing battle. Similarly, the Master Chief vs. Doomguy video shows why being what amounts to a Badass Normal One-Man Army doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, isn't Unskilled, but Strong in comparison to the enemies you fight, has fought much more experienced, skilled and/or tougher enemies, can nullify your greatest asset, and has much more experience in combat. In a similar vein, Dante wins his match by nullifying Bayonetta's two greatest assets: 1: Quicksilver cancels out Witch Time, and 2: Wicked Weaves are just demons that Dante eats for breakfast. In Blanka vs. Pikachu, after the two spend some time brawling conventionally, Blanka takes advantage of his superior size and simply grabs Pikachu and bites his head off. Goku vs. Superman does a lot to deconstruct the idea of a reckless, at times stupid Blood Knight with the destructive power to level everything for miles around. Goku challenges Superman to a fight, to which Superman politely declines. When Goku attacks him anyway, an astounded Superman says "You're Insane!" Their resulting fight goes through repeated Serial Escalation as Goku goes through his Super Saiyan forms, with Superman matching him blow for blow, until the Earth explodes due to the backlash of their most powerful attacks. The second match ups the ante as Goku decides to haul out his Super Saiyan God form for their rematch. Superman? Decides enough's enough and tanks Goku's God Kamehameha, grabs him by the neck and uses both heat and x-ray vision to disintegrate his brain. In the afterlife, King Kai essentially tells Goku there's no way you can beat a character like Superman, getting the Saiyan to finally stand down. Using up all your energy in a flashy, powerful attack might look cool, but it'll backfire horribly if your opponent manages to survive it. Ryu, Tifa Lockhart, Ichigo, and Cloud all learned this the hard way. While Naruto also used one, Ichigo was in no shape to survive it. Red, as a Pokémon trainer, has always relied on his Pokémon to fight, a rule enforced by the rules of Pokémon battling / game mechanics. Tai, however, has been involved in fights before such as when he got into a fist-fight with his friend Matt while in the Digital World. While Tai doesn't have actual fighting training, he's still got more experience and is more willing to use it on Red, quickly disabling him. The above issue helped secure the win for the Digimon team. Since Charizard relies on Red to come up with a strategy, he's quickly overwhelmed when his trainer can't give him any assistance. Having a Super Mode is great... unless it only last a few minutes and is tied to external resources. Also, even if it makes you physically invulnerable, if it doesn't protect your mind from being wiped completely by an extremely powerful psychic, it's useless too. Shadow loses to Vegeta and Mewtwo for these two reasons.. Having a Healing Factor is great, but it's useless if it can be heavily taxed. This is what costs Deathstroke, Wolverine, Majin Buu, the Hulk, Vergil, Carnage, and Bane their battles. While Deadpool, Doomsday, and Venom also had healing factors, theirs were measurably stronger than Deathstroke's, the Hulk's, and Bane's, allowing them to overwhelm their opponents. Scrooge's wooden Cane Fu is utterly useless against Shovel Knight, a knight in very tough metal armour. He bounces on the armored knight three times, failing to deal any damage, and gets a brutal beatdown for his trouble. Scrooge is far more successful once he gets a hold of Shovel Knight's own weapon. Twilight Sparkle always needs her friends and/or a MacGuffin to overpower her show's villains when it comes to magic. She's denied both here, and when fighting she never has any more strategy than simply teleporting around, shielding herself, and blasting the enemy until it goes away. Combine both and Raven is far more successful against Twilight. Starscream's Null Ray may disable any electronics it hits, but it's completely useless against completely organic beings like Rainbow Dash. Starscream's combat record is also piss-poor, meaning that he is quickly overwhelmed by the much faster Dashie. "Leon S. Kennedy vs. Frank West" essentially pits an experienced, highly-trained government agent versus a guy with several improvised weapons but lacks proper training. This is one of the reasons why the former wins. David vs. Goliath can be easily invoked on Humongous Mecha as well. This is what costs the Power Rangers two battles in Death Battle and one in DBX as while the Megazord, Thunder Megazord and Tigerzord tower over Voltron, the Burning Gundam and Gundam Epyon, the latter three have the speed, ingenuity and just the right weaponry to overwhelm the Zords and turn them into scrap. This also allows Zero to destroy Metal Overlord. Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, a reason why Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to the lightning-absorbing Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu. Dan Hibiki has never canonically won a duel. This is one of the reasons why Hercule wins. Another major deciding factor: Hercule is a Joke Character in Dragon Ball, yes. But he's still the world's strongest completely normal human in a cast where the next strongest character is at the very least an Empowered Badass Normal. Compared to Dan, who's a joke in his own world where most fighters are still mildly rooted in realistic power, Hercule in a stand-up fight would completely overwhelm Dan. Hercules' willingness to cheat when things get dire was just for overkill's sake. One of the major reasons behind the outcome of "Smokey Bear vs. McGruff the Crime Dog". McGruff may be a human-sized anthropomorphic bloodhound, but trying to wrestle an 800-pound black bear does not end well for him. His blows are easily shrugged off by Smokey, and when he manages to pin Smokey down, Smokey easily uses his superior strength to turn the situation around and pin him down instead. As Sweet Tooth found out the hard way, being slightly stronger and more durable than the average human won't protect you from toxic gas and suffocation. Oh, and leaving the safety of your powerful mecha to "personally" kill your opponent, because they talk you into doing it no less, probably isn't a good idea. With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives lots of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her. If one of the opponent's strongest attacks capitalizes on a crippling weaknesses and they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last. Just because you can disable someone's mind and soul doesn't mean their body will stop cold without some kind of restraint in place. When that body is flying as fast, and is as durable, as Master Roshi's, you do not want to be in its path if you can avoid it. Jiraiya failed to account for that, and that mistake cost him his life. A reality-warping gauntlet is great...unless it only works in its home universe. Just ask Thanos. In "Goro vs. Machamp", after the latter defeats the former, Machamp poses for the camera... only to pass out shortly after. Victor or not, Machamp suffered some pretty nasty wounds during the fight, namely burns from Goro's dragon fire (which activated his Guts ability and helped nail a win, but still...) and having his lower-left arm torn off. In general, being Unskilled, but Strong doesn't work out very well for combatants unless they have an overwhelming advantage in power. This was the downfall of Mob and Sailor Galaxia, especially since their opponents had plenty of training and experience to back up their raw power. Having a minor to massive speed advantage against your opponent, while a pretty significant edge, generally matters little if your opponents strength and durability eclipses you several times over. The likes of The Terminator, Gamera, Knuckles, Ichigo, Jotaro, Jin, Sonicnote In the 2018 rematch against Mario. Jiraiya, Sasuke, Leonardonote Against Jason Lee Scott. Goro, and Zuko all learned this the hard way. The exact opposite is true as well: Holding a decent strength and durability advantage likely won't matter if your opponent is much, much faster. Just ask Quicksilver, Sindel, and She-Ra. Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu. While both Danny Phantom and Jake Long have fought against dragons and ghosts respectively, Danny had fought dragons that were stronger than Jake, while the ghosts that Jake fought were far weaker than Danny. This gave Danny better experience against Jake than vice-versa.
I agree with literally all of this except for The Carnage one where I genuinely feel that Carnage should have won and there is a video with major evidence to prove so, I have no ill will towards Lucy (Cause I don’t give two shits about anime) but she should have gotten fucking mutilated.
I'm glad this battle was debunked because raiden is from a videogame and wolverine was originally from comics and has more feats. He has fought spiderman,hulk,juggernaut, Colossus,thanos,and even thor! So your telling that raiden can compete with that. And by you I actually mean deathbattle.
My conclusion is: it depends on what version of wolverine. 1. In theory, if Wolverines adamantium can be melted in the first place to be used intravenously, it means the molecules can be manipulated, which is what can happen to any metal (to my knowledge) and the HF effects objects at an instant otherwise he would have to hack at objects instead of a clean slice . 2. If you're saying that Misty's effect being extrapolated to the HF blade cant be fully assumed, then your point about the silver samurai blade using tacheon particles linked to HF blade can't be certain either. So Raiden continues to win since the point is moot on both sides here
This video is several years old. They were WAY more off than I originally stated. They literally LOWBALLED the shit out of all of wolverines stats. Pissed Wolverine can blitz Thor and Thanos, but Raidens too fast? Lmfao. His adamantium was never melted. Only a different form was. We know metals in marvel completely change when altered Assuming his melts(yet can withstand the phoenix force lmfao) because a different metal melted is.... Well, idiotic.
@Sir Splash Resurrecting a dead horse tonight :) If Wolverine had no healing factor when he took a strike from Thor, then this puts his bodily durability(leaving his ADA-skeleton aside, just flesh) for blunt force trauma as similar to Wonder Woman's. Correct? cuz i'm thinking he should be a blood smear otherwise.
What if raiden's blade is like misty's adamantium and slowly erodes the adamantium allowing him to finish the fight. But wolverine would probably come back after an hour, but weakened for the next fight due to lack of adamantium.
You are wrong. Even if it would “slowly erode the adamantium” wolverine isn’t just gunna stand there and let him do it. Raiden wouldn’t get the chance Additionally getting rid of the adamantium does not weaken Wolverine. If anything it makes wolverine even harder to put down, since his adamantium suppresses his healing factor from reaching its max potential
@@TheGamingRift11 remember His claws are pure adamantium His claws arent going to be destroyed easily by anti metal as splash said that when he was a similar event,wolverine claws were fine
@@godspeedforce9371 I’m well aware. I doubt the blade could do anything to the primary Adamantium that wolverine uses. And it’s incredibly annoying when Raiden fanboys insist that the blade would cut through when that sort of molecular cutting doesn’t work against wolverines metak
Anybody who watched Death Battle’s video should come watch this. Also after watching this video and their video, clearly they were biased towards Raiden.
"Raiden's strength is not gonna overwhelm Wolverine. Ask Hulk. Hulk: Nah bruh. You ain't fucking with him. Thor: Yep Professor X: Indeed Magneto: Quite
@@outlawgt3045 Wolverine beat Hulk a couple times and Hulk is infinitely stronger than Raiden and Wolverine reacted to Speed Demon and beat him who is even faster than the Flash at times these are two extremes. Raiden speed and strength advantage isn’t that, besides do you really think Raiden would survive against the Hulk?
@@MrAHole-kl4cn The only fight Wolverine has ever won against the Hulk was in a "What if" comic and those don't count. STFU dude.. You are making stuff up in your mind. Wolverine has never beaten the Hulk in a fight. The Hulk has ripped Wolverine in half and thrown his body parts miles away from each other and he did it easily. Wolverine has lost so many times to the Hulk that he doesn't even fight him anymore. He runs away when Hulk comes after him.
The Princess Bride sword fight, "You underestimate me, for I am not left handed." Indigo Montoya The masked man, "You also underestimate me, I am also not left handed!"
Michael Is Here he does, if they were all standing in a room he’d be killing them and none of them could even see it happen, they would see him running at them, but as for when Wolverine starts combat they literally will just see each other all standing before slowly sliding apart from all the slices
@@JoshDrakePendora Except Raiden is faster than wolvie, stronger than him, and was able to kill Armstrong who had Nanomachines that constantly blocked attacks. Adamantium is not Unbreakable, and that applies to the movies and comics. HF blades utilize very high speed vibrations to destabilize and break molecular bonds and cut through virtually anything regardless of Durability. Wolvie still loses even if Marvel retconned Misty's adamantium feat.
Honestly this battle was one of the worst examples of DBs bias. For one reason only. Raidens “regeneration” is limited to absorbing Nanomachines. Wolverines isn’t. They literally threw Raiden toss away enemies just to buff him so he could win the fight. Without outside interference, he dies.
@@user-yo1im9pi8z Even if he carries them with, the fact is that this regen is limited. Without other cyborg enemies from his verse around to feed him, he will run out after a few heals. Additionally, it’s an active thing. It’s not passive. Wolverine has gone for days against enemies like the Hulk without his regeneration factor wearing out. And every single strike he lands on Raiden is potentially lethal, or able to remove limbs. While there is nothing to suggest anything but Raidens most top tier attacks could even phase wolverine.
@@The-Yellow-Man in game as i remember this type of healing can be automatically activated after your hp drops below zero,so under question. Also about Hulk,i am not a genius or professional,but wouldn't Jack be able to stand against Hulk for the same out of time? Like,he has more reaction speed,faster and able to cut Hulk for a lot of time. I am not saying that he can beat Hulk,but he can stand long enough,before dying. And i remember Wolverine dying in his movie(Logan) from being damaged by log and his "clone",even after buffing himself. Maybe i missed something in that movie,or what?
@@user-yo1im9pi8z A: Raidens regen is STILL limited. Regardless of if it auto proc’s at low health, there is a finite amount of regen he can have even at his MOST wanked level. B: Hulk has insane reaction times and reflexes. He can track characters moving at supersonic speeds and respond in kind. He regenerates almost as fast as wolverine at his base level, and far faster when enraged. Not only this but he has fought people a hundred times more powerful and dangerous than Raiden many times. Just look up the fight between Hulk and Sentry and tell me Raiden even stands a chance. Meanwhile that same version off Hulk admitted he had no way to actually kill Wolverine. All he could do was continue to give him concussions to keep him out of the fight. C: We aren’t talking about the movies. All the MCU characters are hilariously nerfed compared to their comic counterparts. Wolverine in the comics is specifically who they used for the purposes of scaling in this death battle. Jack might be able to fight Hulk for a while, even possibly score serious wounds. But again, and this really is the only point that matters….his regen would run out without fodder enemies giving him fresh nanites. Hours, minutes, days, doesn’t matter. His regen runs out. Wolverines doesn’t.
@@The-Yellow-Man OK, I’m able to understand your positioning here, however, you’re forgetting the fact that Raiden’s speed outclasses Wolvie’s significantly and that his technology is more efficient than Wolverines’ abilities. Also, Wolverine being able to hurt Hulk is moreso due to the fact that, I dunno, Wolvie has adamantium claws capable of cutting through practically anything? Hulk hasn’t shown any sort of immunity to piercing weapons, in fact, he can get dazed by certain tranquilliser darts and swords strong enough to pierce him, so, there’s no evidence stating that Raiden (who can cut through Metal Gear mechs capable of surviving nuclear warheads, as well as literally pick them up and throw them with minimal effort) can’t keep up with Hulk like Wolverine can. You’re confusing blunt-type damage with piercing, they’re significantly different. Piercing weapons separate atomic bonds (hence why they’re sharp) whereas blunt force only compresses it. Hence why Wolvie wouldn’t’ve needed his healing factor with Hulk (a purely blunt-force guy) as he does with Raiden. As for his regeneration, Raiden isn’t solely reliant on it if things were to go south. In fact, not once did he heal against Senator Armstrong (who punched Raiden through a Metal Gear Nuclear Warhead Mech which blew the entire thing to smithereens) and yet managed to defeat him without even going into Ripper Mode. Even outside of the Senator, however, he’s still capable of fighting even with severed limbs or dozens of cuts and stabs; it’s not easy to kill him with piercing weapons.
Him saying that Misty's arm beating adamantium was like a wood and thrown at wood is just a dumb analogy that comes off very biased. She grabbed an adamantium sword and it melted in her hand. Also, where does it say that Tachyons destabilize materials and and not just increases the cutting power of the blade? Seriously, asking for an example, a comic panel, a quote from a character in a book, anything other than people interpreting a fictional particle of energy saying that it does one thing when what ive read says it does the other?
To be fair, beforehand Misty deflected the adamantium sword with her arm which melted it, not just her hand. I’m pretty sure Raiden will be swinging at Wolvie’s adamantium skull the entire time.
Honestly at this point I can't stand watching skrewattack. They're completely biased in all their answers and half the time they either miss alot of shit or intentionally leave it out. They even make up shit and use their own headcannon to explain a win like how they pretended hulk's healing factor could just be overwhelmed and you could kill him. I called it from way back then that it was bullshit and that doesn't make any sense at all and that theoretically with how his healing factor works he shouldn't be able to die, then what do you know they end up revealing that hulk CAN'T die and will always just regenerate from whatever's left of him. Worst part about it is, most people watching don't read the shit so they just take their word as gospel.
Y'know what. I'll agree with some of the points you made. But the point about the adamantium misty knight melted through possibly being bonded with another element is bullshit. It doesn't matter if the adamantium was bonded with something or not the HF blades would've cut through it the same. If it's a molecule Raiden's HF blade would've cut through it. Wolverine making it a waiting game? That's boring asf. Also lame asf. Not to mention Raiden's fuel gage only goes down in Ripper Mode or Blade Mode. "Wolverine would've cut through the backside of Raiden's sword." Raiden is faster. There would be almost no possible way Wolverine could get behind the blade to cut it. Also you claimed the blade didn't have an HF frequency on both sides. You're just plain wrong. The Murasama's red color is not one of the metal's properties. When Sam modified the blade into an HF one the blade turned red. Some good points. Some less than stellar points. I'm also fairly confident that Silver Samurai's sword works ever so slightly differently than the ones in MG. In MGR:R, HF depends on weapon quality. The Murasama, being made by Japanese swordsmith Muramasa, would be very high. Meaning that the HF would be very strong. All-in-all DB just wanted to do a fun video. There's really no point in arguing who would've or should've won.
Its verbatim a different substance. And it took time. This is also a property with higher dimensional properties. Thats not molecular melting of normality at all.
Sir Splash no problem👌🏽, but yeah when people meant that raiden was to fast for wolverine to react they meant that raiden wont be doing what speed demon did he is going to be close to wolverine slashing him back and forth at incredible speed using zandatsu so even if wolverine blocked one attack he would get hit in multiple other areas unless wolverine can strike as fast as raiden which i dont think, and screw attack did get a piece of info about raidens body wrong
@@BigSirSplash Sir Splash I don't know, hasn't he tanked multiple attacks from Armstrong's Town-City blows as well as high-frequency blade attacks from Monsoon and Jetstream Sam whose cutting blades are on par with Raiden's HF blade? He can definitely survive more than a few attacks from Wolverine, and while Wolverine has the reactions to counter Raiden's speed, Raiden's not at all going to let Wolverine land his hits. Outrunning bullets moving at 2,000 mph is nothing to Raiden hopscotching missiles in almost slow-mo at Mach 1,685 even without the massive speed increase granted by Blade Mode or Ripper Mode. One of Speed Demon's best quantifiable feats is running 81000 km in 8 hours... Which comes out to a little more than 6,000 mph. While I don't doubt he has greater feats that Wolverine scales to, it is one of the more quantifiable ones he has. Not to mention that Wolverine was reacting to Speed Demon blitzing around, Wolverine was *not* reacting to close-up melee attacks like what Raiden uses. About the adamantium comparison, it's worth noting that Ultron's adamantium bodies - each of which are undoubtedly as strong or even stronger than Wolverine's skeleton - are *repeatedly* damaged by Antarctic vibranium based attacks which clearly don't operate by matching the brute power of Thor or Hulk. That, and Misty was merely gripping the adamantium blade; literally just gripping it and not slashing at it with a cutting blade which by default tear through objects much easier than any hand, and the adamantium blade her hand grabbed was shown to disintegrate and melt within seconds, which are all a precise fighter like Raiden needs. Also, contrary to popular belief, Wolverine actually cannot regenerate his limbs if they are completely cut off from his body, and severing limbs is something Raiden is rather known to do to opponents (I.e the joints in Sundowner's shields and Mistral's L'Etranger), something he would have an easier time doing since his HF blade grants better range than Wolverine's shorter bone claws.
You don't need to cut through Wolverine in order to beat him, and Wolverine has been beaten by street level characters in Marvel. This fight would be worse than his encounters with Gorgon, and I think, similarly to Death Battle, you greatly low balled Raiden.
This is a very old video. Since death battle assumes they are at their peak, wolverine slaps 10/10 lol. He fought in x of swords across every plane of existence😂 punctured Green Scar, Thanos, hurt Thor, fought Mephisto, beat the Wendigo who had just stalemated hulk, the same hulk who punched apart a hyperdimensional construct😭. Peak wolverine absolutely slaughters peak raiden, but raidens verse doesnt afford him many outliers so its a dumb battle layout(I hate that death battle does it) Now as for consistency, way better argument for Raiden. However, you disrespected Marvel Street tiers. Iron Fist trained for 2+ decades outside of Time itself. Wolverine thrashed him lol. Cap has bested Thor(Marvel Premier 4) because of his reflexes IQ and skill, and hes also beat the Executioner. (Post Civil War) Wolverine fought and Damaged Ragnarok the Thor Clone. Wolverine has a winning record against cap btw Marvel street tiers are easily ftl. Even regular marvel humans can observe mftl battles😭
@@BigSirSplash Sure, but I'm operating on the premise how Wolverine performs consistently. DB's takes are atrocious, and under those circumstances I agree Wolverine takes it. The irony (if intentional or unintentional.) isn't lost on me. It's a take that's basically your version of DB. Lol, "disrespecting" the street levels wasn't my intent. I was just laying out if you take in account the progression of the exoskeleton's performance from MGS1 to MGR...its output isn't street level. Which is why I used Gorgon as an example, I'm thinking of a more consistent representation of Wolverine. Such as Wolverine's scuffle with the Hulk in WWH. That outcome would happen all day, everyday if we were being "realistic" and not recognizing the fact that Marvel has to sell comics, and therefore has to "sell Wolverine" to the reader. Character in service to the plot, and all that BS.
@@BigSirSplash but wolverine also keeps getting bodied by spiderman every time they fight and Kane just beat his ass for no reason ND then kept talking shit to the other avengers he wanted all of the smoke and don't get me wrong Logan is a busted ass fighter but because the HF blade cuts a t a molecular level by cutting and destroying atoms at the subatomic level meaning he can't heal fast enough I Eman even tho he lost hell.jsut comeback and make raidne throw them hands a second time Logan never ceases to get his rematch I mean hie still loses now that I type this out he's like vegeta
I’m not here to hate, I’m just giving my opinions. I don’t really give a shit who wins or lose. I’m never a wolverine fan and I’ll tell you why. 1. His a boring ass to watch. 2. he have no special moves at all, example (martial arts related). 3. anyone can swing like him with claws. All he have is his metal skeleton and healing power. You know that everyone knows that. I tried watching his movie but every time I felt asleep because he’s just too fking boring. Take dead pool for example, or even Batman who can really fight and not just swing like a crazy dude. And in this fight you can clearly see how cool or badass raiden fights. Don’t get me wrong but that’s the truth.
false in every way the only media where wolverine actually fights like how he is supposed to is in video games the same with spiderman (before the stupid ps4 /5 version) and batman
There’s a couple things that would end up in Wolverine losing this battle and those are his limitations, cumulative or severe injuries can overload his healing factor imgur.com/a/mVfkI1P at that point his healing factor may short out momentarily, and he can go down i.imgur.com/vlN5osJ.png and I know Wolverine took hits from hulk or Thor but far less powerful characters/things have hurt or knock out Wolverine for a while far more consistently imgur.com/a/dwR5OMO imgur.com/a/fPYie Heavy or powerful gunfire can incapacitate him at least briefly imgur.com/a/sFpMi Small caliber head shots can stagger him larger caliber head shots can severely stun him imgur.com/a/i3xCb Wolverine is sneaked up on fairy frequently imgur.com/a/9ftfe His senses aren’t infallible ether imgur.com/a/TCEzO
You can’t just say his healing factor will short circuit based on one panel of a comic same thing with a lot of your excuses but yes he was knocked out but I can’t just punch your arm and you will get knocked out it’s the same thing with the thor and hulk feats because they weren’t BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA also Wolverine got snuck up in by a ninja ever consider that. he’s barley stunned when shot doesn’t change the fact the same thing would happen with raiden. Overall your points aren’t valid
@@wadewilson333 this Man stay getting hus ass beat Hell spider man is the worst offender he has bears longans ass plenty of times and then his clone circled bakc.beat his ass 3 times over and then told the avenfer she'd fuck them up too Kane wanted all the smoke that day and thats a high ball Logan is marvels vegeta he's still a badass jsut one that can't win
@@sophiefyfe7933 batman vs captain America no he's not wrong cap is far faster stronger better reaction time captain America beat crossbones without the super serum added cap is one of the best hand to hand combatants in marvel hell he went toe to toe with beast gambit and a namor clone and came up on top every time
GTS yeah Cap is literally stronger then batman by thousands of times in terms of AP, and at least tens of times faster in reactions, plus he is a better fighter then Batman, and has a shield that can one shot Batman on top of already being able to one shot batman himself physically
@@JoshDrakePendora your are a marvel fanboy cap is not a thousands reaction speed batman can deal with that seeming like batman fights deathstroke all the time cap is not a better fighter then batman and cap cant one shot batman dumbass
@@wallsterrence yes cap is one of the best fighter in marvel but batman is still a better fighter dc has the better fighters reaction time batman fight deathstroke all the time batman is beat beast gambit and a namor clone batman will realised that cap is stronger and stat to use stealth and snap his neck
Wolverine has better senses then Daredevil, is superhuman, has one of the best healing factors in Marvel, and plus has adiantum claws. No DD wouldn’t have the ability to beat Raiden, but characters like Captain America and Deadpool would
@@MrAHole-kl4cn I mean, if we go hardcore and scale Daredevil from Symbiote Spider-Man, who stomped Firelord, which is herald level feat, then DD would stomp Raiden as well. But that would be an epic highball, normal version of DD is still a street lvl
I like your points but in ridens defense becuse he is stronger than wolvrine and faster he can just try to knock out the x man becuse in some fight with black panther he was able to knock out wolvrine and even spiderman in some cases has been known to take out wolvrine am not trying to say that riden can kill wolvrine but I think if he trys to keep his head and not be put down he can take him out but not kill him.
This debunk seems as biased as screwattack is sometimes. Hes upset wolverine lost which i understand and ill agree that its likely screwattack did have biased for raiden though since you see how they talk about him
Hey. I appreciate you replying so fast. Dont see that much. I just noticed your second video on the subject and trying to listen to it in case any details have changed with time and knowledge
Also, I do wanna say that I really appreciate you saying combat speed and reaction speed aren't the same. A lot of people don't seem to know that and I've been saying that for a while so its cool to see someone else that understands it
@@sereondigits2372 both are several years old lol. Wolverine stomps raiden pretty easily with current scaling. Hes literally fought in realms beyond time and space and has tanked hits from the likes of hulk
I didn't mean to say you were wrong. But some of the information you presented and how you presented it is wrong and seems made from a point of only wanting wolverine to win
Wolvie loses simply because HF blades Break molecular bonds and ignore conventional durability. Even if Wolvie's adamantium has a regen, Raiden's sword can still weaken the bonds and cut through it. Also he's able to use Zendatsu to be extremely precise allowing him to make cuts in vulnerable areas like, say, Wolvie's neck. So he still loses. Btw, the "Blood Regen" Feat is non canon and required a Crystal infused with cosmic power to do. Wolvie isn't that durable normally. Durable enough to survive nukes? Yes. But magneto still drowned him and Deadpool also decapitated him, WITH A SWORD THAT USED THE SAME CONCEPT AS RAIDEN'S HF BLADE.
The Realm of Splash lol you mean the same character who black panther and captain America can keep up with will somehow 10/10 raiden? Your trolling right? Raiden simply knocks out wolverine he is strong enough to do so.
Raiden could beat Wolverine pretty handily even if his sword cannot cut through Wolverine's skeleton...in pretty much anything other than a death battle. If he actually has to kill Wolverine and his sword isn't up to task, then I think Raiden's best option is drowning him. No matter how good Wolverine's healing factor is, he is an animal, which means his cells need oxygen to do anything, and furthermore he is a human, so his cells cannot perform respiration if he is totally submerged. Wolverine would probably have an easier time cutting Raiden and waiting for him to die than Raiden would keeping Wolverine underwater long enough though I do not care for either character, so whoever loses is a win. I was surprised to hear someone argue that a vibro sword...high frequency blade... might not actually be able to get through Wolverine's skeleton though.
Would make no sense if it did? And adamantium has sustained solar system+ levels of damage lowballed and never took damage. Wolverines tagged thor and thanos and is casually ftl in combat. This is an old video and i disagree with it. I was too nice and wolvie honestly slaps
@@BigSirSplash Which television station sold it's reruns by saying "if you haven't seen it, it's new to you!" Anyway, I'm not even arguing that you're wrong about adamantium withstanding the high frequency blade. I'm just admitting that when Death Battle said that it should act the same way as antimetal vibranium, I didn't even think to challenge it. I didn't even think it was going to come up, I just thought Wolverine would win and didn't mind seeing Raiden dying. There is an argument to be made, besides that "frequency" and "vibrate" can have similar connotations. The high frequency blade targets solid state molecules in general, while Antarctic vibrianium attacks metal bonds specifically. They do work similar, but the argument hinges on a key difference. It's not an argument I'm actually interested in taking a side on, that seems suited for a chemist, I'm just surprised you were willing. It was an interesting listen. What I am suggesting is that Raiden should not have much trouble pushing Wolverine out a window or something and then continuing on his merry way. Much less than the other way around. If he then has to jump out the window to make sure Wolverine is dead or wait for Wolverine to come back to him, then he's in real trouble. Punisher was able to beat Wolverine once, when the stakes were fairly low, but when it came to life or death he ended up as cutlets washing down the drain, by the hand of Daken, who I recall losing to Wolverine. Beast was able to wrestle berserker state Wolverine to the floor, but Beast didn't have to kill him now did he? No, he just waited for Wolverine to cool off. Stacy X or whatever the pheromone lizard's name is, she was able to disorient and slap Wolverine around, but she didn't have to kill him either, just avoid being cut to pieces long enough the other members of whatever X-team that was to break it up. I could see someone of Raiden's caliber, who can stop a ship with an outstretched arm while the other is amputated, winning without a reliable kill option, if the win condition was less than lethal. I also have no problem with Raiden dying in a scenario where he never stood a chance. Screw Attack used that logic for (Mortal Kombat)Raiden versus Thor, for Hulk versus Doomsday. They surprised me by bringing up Antarctic vibranium when I was sure Raiden would die and you in turn surprised me by challenging the validity of the comparison. I enjoyed the both death battle and the debunk more than I thought I would, considering the characters used.
@@insupportofjunhado yours, and their argument, is dishonest even if you dont mean it to be. You are pulling up all these low end feats for wolverine, but ignore raidens? Thats dishonest. Deathbattle rule #3 says each is assumed at peak. So we have peak wolverine who can stab thanos, cut thor, fight cap and his team for at least a day, fights sabertooth consistently for several hours, fought across all planes of existence recently in x of swords, etc. Hes fought across timeless voids and further realities. He tanked getting punched across multiple state lines. He tanked hits from red hulk and she hulk. I pray you dont think raiden remotely even scales to them physically? Wolverine can slice into thor who can withstand galaxy busting blast and god bombs that reduce time to "tar." Whats raiden got that scales to that😭
@@BigSirSplash I figured simply suggesting that Wolverine and Raiden fight with less than lethal stakes was also suggesting that I was not holding myself to the rules of Screw Attack's Death Battle series...but that's not entirely honest on my part right there, because I didn't know enough about the series to know they had a numbered list of rules. I'm firmly aware of the fact they tend to pick and choose which feats to argue, and do not always specify which version of the character is being used. eponymous
🤣🤣..really..? I thought the fight was actually too long. Raiden is wayyyyyy superior in every freaking way in hell vs wolverine who only have is metal skeleton. Get outta here.
He’s not superior in every way and wolverines “metal skeleton” negs everything Raiden will throw his way. Not to mention Raiden has no counter for those claws and wolverine has a shit tonne more stamina and can just outlast him. It’s not a stomp, but there is no way Raiden can win with the weapons he uses. It’ll take ages but Wolverine will win every time
The Adamantium Wolverine has is called True Adamantium and his Adamantium is made even more unique because his bones can heal like anyone eles's. It's why his claws never needs sharpening.
Glad to help and here is what I wrote Death Battle and I put a lot of work into this research: So I am just going to throw this out there Wiz and Boomstick, I love Death Battle but some of your research is woefully lacking. Wolverine's healing factor isn't connected/housed in his brain, it's in every cell of his body. Here is one example of proof, www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/2gz34m/til_that_wolverine_once_healed_from_a_single_drop/ . Another example of proof you actually used in your video. At 4:20 you yourselves say he was "blown up leaving nothing but his Adamantium skeleton". This happened when Nitro who is a living bomb was under the effects of the MGH or Mutant Growth Hormone and burnt every bit of flesh on wolverine until only bone was left and nothing but fire and scant pieces of rubble all around. The only things not flattened were trees which appear to be just about level with Nitro's waist from a point of view slightly lower than his own meaning the trees in the background must have been at least a few hundred feet away at minimum. arousinggrammar.com/2013/05/21/wolverine-hunts-down-that-jerk-nitro-pt-1/ Nitro had previously destroyed a whole neighborhood with a similar sized blast. A blast that size could literally turn your brain to mush from the blast wave assuming like Wolverine you have a way to leave more than ash behind. The human brain is always suspended in a fluid to keep it from rattling against your skull and killing you. The pressure wave given off by Nitro would have slammed his brain into the back of his skull and according to your studies, killed him. science.howstuffworks.com/explosion-land-water1.htm This is putting aside that his brain would have already been fried. The human eye is connected directly to the brain via a hole in your skull. If Nitro's explosion was big enough and powerful enough to incinerate all of Wolerine's flesh in a matter of one or two seconds then the explosion could easily go through the small hole our eyes use to connect with the brain and burn the brain internally putting aside the fact that his metal skull could just as easily baked his brains in it's own fluids. Then there's your argument that Raiden could cut through Wolverine's claws with enough hits which is also false as his Adamantuim bones can heal just like normal bones. This is because his Adamantium is not a normal type of Adamantium but a True Adamantium which caused a reaction with his healing factor allowing his Adamantium to be healed just like any other bone which is also why his blades never need to be sharpened. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/James_Howlett_(Earth-616)#Paraphernalia In short your Death Battle was either sloppy or biased, both of which are not a good thing for a channel like this which claims to do proper research on the fighters and their capabilities.
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in other words Wolverine can pul the terminator and kill you even as a skeleton
Bra you right man Wolverine has also Stabbed through Thanos and took hits from marvel characters that are solar system level.Silver Samurai's tachyon helps him cut through ghosts which don't have a physical presence and still couldn't get past Adamantium.
He's taken hits from universal level characters as well like Hulk and Thor. I know this is a late reply lol
Solar System level is a massive downplay for them
@@analternatemultiverse2063 yeah they are way stronger than solar system I don’t know what this guy is taking about, thor mid ball is like galaxy+ lol
I think Screw Attack's point is that the blade 'destabilizes' metal, meanin', the molecular bonds are impacted, so it is effectively weakened, so with enough strength, the metal can then be cut through.
The whole point of a BLADE, is to cut, not just sit on an object to destabilize it, hence the blade was modified with the high frequency - the whole purpose of this modification, is to make it cut through resistant metal, again, not to melt metal, but to cut through it.
Also, this is a contact weapon, so the wielder's strength is a valid variable and Raiden is far more powerful than Wolverine.
Lastly, Wolverine would not be able to destroy Raiden's blade because his metal skeleton is weakened on a molecular level.
But these arguments could go on an on 'cause Wolverine has a far superior library to go back and pull any variant of wolverine out of, hence one version of him has to be used. So yes, most definitely, some variants of Wolverine can defeat Raiden.
Thank you! Finally someone speaks some facts here. Jeez louise…
it's not even different variants, if you just go by the canon version of him 616 it hasn't ever been rebooted so all his feats from canon comics count. As long as it's not some alternate universe or a situation where he has something amping him beyond his normal power, then it's the same variant...
Wolverine is the definition of a badass
So is Raiden
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@@DIEFORME173 he's epic but Wolverine is way past cool 😎
@@PengyAnims yeah
Blaze the hedgehog good point
I accepted the fact that my boy wolvie lost. But after seeing this, I smiled the whole time, man early death battle didn’t know shit. I mean they still don’t today but they’ve gotten better.
Ummmmmmm I wouldn’t say they’ve gotten better 😂 they’ve gotten a lot more wrong than right lately either accidentally or on purpose and it’s just blurred together.
Base Anonymous. Because every now and then when they hit they hit, also I do enjoy the breakdown and especially if it’s a series something I’m familiar with seeing if their right or not. Also the animations lately have been amazing and I’m down to support their animators.
I was sad that Wolverine lost I was voting for him to win
No they haven't you could argue that they got even worse
Smile for the heroes not supervillans
People also forget there’s different varieties of Adamantium and Wolverine actually possesses the best one because it REGENERATES
If it couldn’t, MAYBE Raiden might’ve won but it does, so Wolverine wins
Im Just John even if it couldn’t Raiden simply does not have anything to harm the adamantium, talking about a metal that has at minimum solar system level durability consistently, Raiden is definitely a bit stronger then Wolverine physically but one slice from Wolverines claws one shots plus Wolverine is faster by a lot, being able to dodge lasers and other characters that have consistently reacted to lasers, while Raiden’s best feat that I’ve seen calc is only mach 4000, Wolverine would only lose if it was Wolverine from the movies, and if it was Logan pre adamantium
gRAVITY_OG1 Wolverine’s speed is not ftl and the whole laser thing is taken out of context he dodges lasers before they are even fired not after they have been fired there’s a difference his most consistent speed is above barely superhuman.
gRAVITY_OG1 Wolverine’s skeleton durability doesn’t matter much since the HF blade literally weakens the molecules that make it up allowing its durability to drastically decrease.
@@kartikeyamisra6683 except that it heals so it would be weakend and then heal wolverines healing factor is instant
@@kartikeyamisra6683 wolverine has resisted molecular cutting many times, a couple of examples in this video, but he’s also resisted black panthers claws which are made of vibranium, which has also been stated to cut on molecular level.
Also the lasers thing isn’t taken out of context and here is why.
Let’s say I’m fighting Mike Tyson in his prime and I know 0.5 seconds before he hits me that he’s gunna hit me. Doesn’t mean i can do shit to stop that attack, because I’m not fast enough.
Wolverine could know half a second before the laser is fired that it’s gunna get fired at him, but he has to be fast enough to dodge it. Which he clearly is since he’s dodged Lasers and Cyclops optic blasts, he’s also tagged spiderman who can casually dodge lightning
My issue with the fight is that wolverine wasted so much time when wolverine had chances to land several deadly blows
Yeah
The fight is just for entertainment if its actual duel wolverine couldn't keep up with raiden
@@aldinlimYou're saying Raiden is faster than the likes of Thor and Hulk?
Dude, speak up! You are too quiet!
Why Dislikes, This Video is True
I agree with you!
Foxy Renard same here
Raiden fanboys
@@DIEFORME173 ik they’re a bunch of stinky neckbeards living in their moms basement
@@sumdomguoy548 lol 😂
Logan decimates , not even close ☠️
Wolverine regenerated from a drop of blood and apparently we’re supposed to ignore that.
Mr.GreatWhite Well wolverine's heals not always works
Okay, first off, he was next to a crystal that massively improved his healing factor.
Second, that comic isn't canon.
@@ryanluther5785 cannon is really up in the air how much they change shit
That drop of blood hit the crystal of Cosmic power. It's not Wolverine's normal regen.
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9569 canon and no it's not their are storylines for a reason
That make sense
Sir Splash so Raiden can't win Wolverine... any form?
Sir Splash hmm true i think her use a normal metal army...
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This debunk will be the deconstruction by me. Anyways let's get into why I think this video is incorrect.
1. Firstly the adamantium wielding lady has the same adamantium as wolverine because there's no evidence to support that there's different types of adamantium. Sure it'll take some progress for the HF blade to cut through Wolverine's skeleton, Raiden can use his visor to spot Logan's weakpoints which would be the malleable discs in each bone that wouldn't be covered in adamantium otherwise Logan wouldn't be able to move since the metal would lock the discs in place, Raiden can deduces through weakpoints until he can cut through him.
2. There's a difference between Silver Samurai's tachyon blade and Raiden's HF blade. The tachyon blades is covered with faster than light particles that only increases the strength of blade. It doesn't give the tachyon blade molecular destructive capabilities, if it did the blade would have cut through Wolverines claws in the comics, besides the tachyon blade has never be stated to have molecular destructive capabilities anyways. Raiden's HF sword on the other hand is reinforced with a high frequency current that lets it destroy other materials on a molecular level. So the biggest difference is that the HF blade has molecular destructive capacity while the tachyons in Silver Samurai's blade only increases his cutting power.
3. It admit that Logan have superior durability and stamina. Though moving fast enough for the world to seem frozen would require a speed of 1,534 MPH. Hypersonic speeds however are 9'896 MPH which is much faster than the previous speed is mentioned. There's also the fact that Raiden has superior versatility with his arsenal of blades and longer range. czcams.com/video/gnC45qt8Mfc/video.html Also if Wolverine were to cut the blade, Raiden can use another one and be more careful about it. Wolverine wouldn't be able to cut through to back of the blade anyways since all of the blade is covered with the high frequency and Raiden's ability to slow down his perception of time.
4. While I do agree that Wolverine is going to be a tough opponent for Raiden because of his durability and experience, HECK Logan will give Raiden some major injuries in need of Raiden and make Raiden drain his fuel supply. But because Raiden outclasses Wolverine in more categories and his HF blade can cut through adamantium as shown in exhibit 1, Raiden is capable of killing and defeating Wolverine. Will it be difficult for Raiden to kill Wolverine? YES. Is it impossible for Raiden to kill wolverine? NO
Thank for the response, but allow me to show you my counter-debunk
1. Even when Raiden's knows Wolverine's weakpoints, Logan can dodge some hits from Raiden and the first stab from Raiden's sword isn't gonna make Wolverine go down as easily. But still...
2. Because part of Wolverine's spine is a weakpoint, Raiden will exploit that weakpoint and deduce it if striking everywhere else failed. Though Wolverine will try to prevent Raiden from getting in a good hit as you mentioned. Also reaction speed would be useless against something much faster. Take lightning and a car for example. Both the car and lightning are faster than the person. But the person can dodge the fast moving car, but the person doesn't have the reaction time to dodge lightning because it's soo much faster than car and human combined. See what I mean.
3. Wolverine only harmed Thanos because Logan managed to let Thanos's guard down. An opponent who's guard is down would suffer more damage than a person who has his guard up. That example applies to Goku when he had his chest pierced by a laser because his guard was let down. Though because of Logan's metal bones, Raiden is gonna rely on striking Logan's weakspot's since doing that is much easier than trying to cut thorough an entire metal skeleton. The only reason why Sabretooth lost to Wolverine is because he didn't have to strength to get through Logan's adamantium bones.
4. While the Tachyon sword and the HF blades are similar, they're still different in how they cut. The tachyon sword has never been stated to have molecular destructive capacity like take a 1000 degree knife for example. This knife is enhanced by heat particles to increase it's cutting power, but can it destroy materials on a molecular level? No it can't. 1000 degrees isn't enough to melt steel and there's no way an ordinary knife can cut through steel. So does the 1000 degree knife have molecular destructive capacity because it's enhanced by particles? NO. The same thing goes for the tachyon blade, it's enhanced by other particles but it doesn't give it molecular destructive capacity.
5. In the first fight with Sam, Raiden had his right eye and arm cut off and lost a lot of artificial blood but is able to hold on. So Raiden should hold his own for some time if stabbed to the gut. czcams.com/video/PZHIXnDs4qE/video.html There's was no proof in saying that Sam destroyed the blade, if that happened he would have done it by cutting the sword with a more powerful HF blades and broke if when it's not vibrating at a high frequency. Senator Armstrong has broken the blade before because he has nano-machines that are designed to resist against anything, even against the HF blade.
I see your next debunk is on Mega man and astro boy. I might debunk it cause it think that some evidence that Astro boy wins, but I also think Mega man can win against him. I'll have to see.
Wrong. Read Wolverine Origins. Its been stated that Silver Samurai’s muramasa blade can cut through even in between molecules.
Go read comics more douce
Sir Splash ss did used the murasama blade in some stories. Not his standard weapon but still used it. Also Wolverine Origins is a core part of the Wolverine mythos. The fact that Marvel Comics actually allowed it to be published meant so. So its story of the murumada balde being able to splice molecules is true. I also didnt stated it to have cut through adamantium. But still able to splice through anything else. Its even stated in some wikia articles.
John Constantine ur a dumb ass 😂 GTFO here!
Yeah you're right wolverine can cut him to pieces
Cant believe it took me this long to find this video i thought no one believed wolverine would win and i was so mad
Haha same
Well I’m angry about link vs cloud 2 sooo you have nothing to complain about
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I'm a die hard fan of both Marvel and Metal Gear Franchise but ScrewAttack was pretty bias on Raiden lmfao they used a full upgraded version of him using jetstream sam's sword and to wolverine they used a typical normal comic version of him. They didn't even include X men Origins Wolverine Game Combos (2009) just the berserker barrage lol and Logan can also parry not just Raiden. It was supposed to be a close match cause wolvie could also hit heavy critical blows but overall Raiden still got this W in exchance of multiple adamantium claw damages. Wolverine also matched up against a speedster with a blade faster than Raiden I still don't get why they missed that in the comics.
Throughout the fight, they actually display Wolverine and Raiden’s advantages over each other pretty well TBH. Raiden is a lot faster and more skilled, so, he lands more blows than Wolvie. However, Logan’s adamantium is exceptionally fatal, hence why Raiden fled to a rooftop, healed with the mech, and entered Jack the Ripper mode after being stabbed. Not only have we seen Raiden sustain quite a lot of damage similar to Wolverine’s output and react fairly similarly to how he does in the fight, but don’t forget that although yes he was wielding the Murasama throughout the whole fight, it really didn’t actually play much significance until the climax and conclusion of it.
did misty night demonstrate cutting? no so that is still asuming but considering how it seemed to have melted reletively quik its safe to say that a sharp blade with raidens speed and strength could cut if you study tests simular to misty night melting a sword you can estimate how that would do against a cutting variant and considering it melted without any visual flames that means it either melted very fast or is diffrent from the way your describing it see raidens sword has shown feats that while impressive cannot relate to such a metal but assuming armstrongs nanomachines reattached an arm with visable heat the nanomachines forcably went high enough heat to boil blood (or help heal a wound) in seconds to what it seems to re attach melecular bonds then cooled down in seconds what looks to be faster than wolverine visualy that means raidens sword can disable melecular bonds so fast that the defensive regen cannot re attatch fast enough and considering raiden messed his brain up even though media sometimes wont potray it correctly science proves that memory cannot be replaced or regened then wolverine is basically dead with a memory of a new born of cource if anybuty can prove me wrong in this theory i will note it and research their points to see if they are correct and btw considering she melted a metal with no regen im sure raidens is faster also
"The one that wolverine has is Adamantium-Beta. Wolverine possesses Regenerative Healing powers. ... He can regenerate his Skeleton very quickly, but the Adamantium takes time to grow back. So he probably just had a few weeks with normal bone claws, until the Adamantium Beta grew back.May 26, 2014" link to scource movies.stackexchange.com/questions/19701/why-does-wolverine-still-have-adamantium-claws-in-x-men-days-of-future-past
now silver samurai is only simular but before that misty knight was made in 2011 the comic featuring wolverine and silver samurai was in 1982 making the possibility of it having outdated for a lack of better frazing power levels and in a more recent fight in media a sword flaming instead of sparkling energy making it not as focused and probably not as sharp it cuts straight through czcams.com/video/EwW7gtz6KVU/video.html so that statement 5:12 is wrong already mnaking raiden in the lead but as i just stated sivler samurai used what looks to be worse of an hf blade and still cut him like butter now while i do not doubt wolverines healing factor you over exadurate his limits in one of the only frame by frame fights czcams.com/video/J0LMf-sLt4M/video.html wolverines defense is not whats keeping him in the fight it is working but he dodges and cuts mostly and raiden is faster and stronger then hulk would be out of world buster and also wolverine gets rekt and incapasitated czcams.com/video/Tf67QRl7mWM/video.html here again wolverine dodges he dosent walk off blows from thors hammer he was defeated when struck constant death blows after would surely at least stop him from being able to fight besides thor is not even enraged thor isnt trying to kill or really hurt wolverine thor and wolverine match through wolverines defense being too great for thor in most cases though but raiden has a secret weapon anyway
now as raiden says to good old jetstream sam playtimes over here is why exactly he would win a sword that cuts on the molecular level simular but even though its more mysticle it literally cuts exactly the same so fk misty knight this is what they shoulve used god they went so deep they didint check the surface
scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/14380/how-does-the-muramasa-blade-block-wolverines-regeneration-capability
this victory is easier than you think for raiden and ive proven so much i dont need to state how his next statements are either wrong or unreasonable now i really hope he sees this so he can understand his mistakes and maybe call mine
edit: so basically raidens first hits are fatal also raiden isnt a robot and rain is so fast in blade mode wolverine cannot block it also 10:54 that is wrong i think he dosent know much about raiden raiden had to get to his helecopter after the sundowner boss not the infinite ripper mode monsoone boss and he did so because they were trying to get to the event sundowner describes to rival 911 to stop it not recharge like a gass station raiden dosent need fuel like a car his blood is enough his regenative propertys and super human speed need fuel yknow his NEW cyborized feats as he only needs fuel for enhancing his feats to stupid levels as his back up systems he gains fuel for blade mode on a parry as his heartrate spikes giving him some type of blood fuel system or something reaction speed is diffrent from movement you may percieve time as slow as the flash but you are still immoble as you are not that fast see wolverine is not as fast and he needs to be pretty good at predicting to dodge blade time wich can cut i giant ug (basically a metal gear) at lighting speed with its own giant blade and destroy a mg ray by using simular speeds before his op enhancements *12:38** to me is irelivant pantering* and again thats wrong silver can cut wolverines bones like butter
I don't know if you'll get this or even care to reply back but here are my arguments for Wolverine.
I'm basically taking Raidens base feats as demonstrated in The DeathBattle video. If those are not accurate then please educate me.
Thor and Hulk are Universal level Threats. So you may not consider their feats.
But you can't argue with Thing, Namor and Spidey.
These are characters whose striking strength ranges from Multi Galaxy level to Multi City Block level.
Silver Samurai cutting through Wolverine is a good argument but Consider that majority of their battles are won by Wolverine. Arguments about Raiden being superior to Silver Samurai can be made but Samurai actually can cut through immaterial foes like Ghosts and Spirits.
Raiden is still physically bound.
So Wolverine being cut down by something that's neta physical is still superior to the HF blade.
And Yet again there are feats to suggest that Antarctic Vibranium is not sufficient enough to Cut down Wolverine. As Black Panther has Anti Metal Claws. Which are superior version of Antarctic Vibranium. They still are unable to break through Wolverine's Adamantium.
And Even if Raiden does manage to get through it he would still be slow.
Wolverine is speed wise Hypersonic to Sub Reletavistic( Near Light speed ).
These can be confirmed from scaling From Cyclops , Spidey and base Hulk.
Wolverine regularly can get the better of these characters.
I don't know if Raiden is faster than light or not but if he isn't Wolverine is gonna be a blur to him.
These are his consistent feats. If go for the Higher end feats he can be scaled to Planetary levels.
Omega Deadpool I feel like being the one to stand up for Raiden here.
Raiden actually clocks in at Sub-Relativistic thanks to his fight against Senator Armstrong. Why is that the case? Armstrong could casually react to and catch Raiden’s sword while he was in Ripper Mode, which is Sub-Relativistic. Since Armstrong could move at this speed (and likely greater), and Raiden could match Armstrong, this means Raiden could match and possibly surpass Wolverine.
I don’t know too much about Silver Samurai, so you’re gonna have to correct me if I’m wrong. Can’t Silver Samurai only damage ghosts because of the tachyon field that envelopes his sword? Just because it can damage things on a different plane of existence, it does not exactly mean that it would deal, say, double damage toward a living opponent.
This goes without saying, but Raiden is immensely stronger than Wolverine. Screwattack didn’t even use his best feat. While he was damaged and missing an arm (at least I think he was missing an arm), he stopped the Outer Haven, which was a giant submarine, in a short amount of time. I actually checked to see, and this required over 7 million tons of force to pull off. Raiden is basically swinging around a sword (that negates durability) with that much strength, and since this would make him stronger than Black Panther, this means that his strength is actually the reason why the HF blade can cut through Wolverine. While Wolvie’s experience fighting Hulk and other characters means he could handle Raiden physically, he can only prolong the inevitable against a cyborg that strong with a sword like that.
It’s late at night where I’m at, so I’m sorry if some of the stuff I say doesn’t make sense or seems a bit farfetched.
@@ConnorDiesel
Assuming their speed is similar, i.e near FTL. This Battle would come down to Attack Potential and Durability.
For Wolverine's Durability I can say that is should at least be Planetary level. Possibly higher but it would be a highball.
Planetary in the sense that he has tanked attacks that should destroy planets and survived. In addition to that he also feats of surviving attacks from Thor, Hulk and Juggernaut.
Thor and Hulk especially have Universal to Multiversal level feats of Attack potential.
But let's take a decent lowball of Planetary as most of the time Wolverine faced them they weren't at their peak.
During the World War Hulk event Wolverine was capable of tanking Multiple attacks from a Hulk who had just previously Trashed a planet. Wolverine walks away from Atomic Explotions like they are nothing and even attacks that should destroy Tectonic Plates.
I'd put His Durability at Multi City Block-Continental and Planetary at the higher end.
Silver Samurai is able to hurt Intangible and Extradimentional beings due to the fact that the Tachyon sword travels back through time and space. This does cut through Wolverine but it takes time and effort. I don't think cutting back in time is the same as HF blade. The HF blade destroys bonds but S.Sam reverses them.
As for Attack Potential Wolverine Has consistently sliced through base Hulk and Human Versions of Thor.
They Survive Planets and Stars exploding on them without even having a scratch.
Hulk and Thor have survived weapons so sharp they directly cuts through atoms. Thor in particular survived a Neutron Star Collapsing on him.
Iron Man's armour which survived multiple Nukes and Star level attacks was cleaved through by Wolverine. Also Wolverine's Adamantium is much better because of Plot.
He can cut through Ultron Prime whose exoskeleton is made of Adamantium. Even when Black Panther tried to cut it he couldn't.
Bottom line Wolverine's Attack Potential should also roughly be in the ranges of his Durability.
Continental to Small Star level
Now I have given you the conservative estimate and Highballed estimates of Wolverine.
Now if you can provide feats of Raiden being similar to these I'd give in to Raiden winning.
Raiden is skilled enough to win this if he is in the same Blade park as Wolverine.
Feats that can put him Country level to Planet Surface levels should be a win for him.
Good job, this is one of the only accurate debunks ever, normally they're just Dragon Ball fanboys pulling stuff out of their ass because they're upset their character lost a death battle that they should've lost. You should have mentioned how good his healing factor is, apparently he has regenerated from a drop of blood once, and injuries like a broken hand can heal in a matter of seconds
That's kind of harsh. I myself am a dragon Ball fan. If Superman had legitimately won, I wouldn't have cared. (Personally I think they would be more or less evenly matched) But if you go back and watch the video they deliberately calculate Goku's stats wrong. He's actually shown to get slower as he Powers up even though that's not how it works. They also claim Superman's power is infinite, despite the fact that they also say a blue Sun supercharges him even though that shouldn't make a difference at all if his power is already infinite. And any Superman fan will tell you his power does have a limit, but similar to Goku, he can break those limits. And then in death battle x, Vegeta, who is the same species as Goku with all the same powers, effortlessly defeats zod, who is the same species as Superman with all the same powers. But let's change the subject. I disagree with Ben 10 versus green lantern, hulk versus doomsday, this death battle, and likely a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head. And I disagree with the outcomes of these battles for completely valid reasons. Just in case you wanted to tell me I was biased and/or that I was a stupid fanboy. Death battle. Is. Bullshit.
@@superpaytonmars8852 green lantern actually stomps ben 10 and all his aliens but okay
@@no-dm2rr I would argue with you, but it'd be pointless. 🙄
Absolute bs you just made up about dragon ball fans.
@@MAT-wn5fr It's not
Death battles were my first 1 v1 type fight till i found gause who danco but i got so mad when i was younger cause i was a wolverine fanboy thank u for debunking i like how unbiased u r and u aways state go facts
Yeah Danco isn’t a good source of info.
Thanks for giving us this debunk on how wolverine would beat raiden.
Reality Ensures
Reality Ensures in Death Battle/DBX
Ultimately what usually decides the winner of most fights in Death Battle.
Batman vs. Spiderman demonstrates why being a Badass Normal doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, can nullify your greatest asset and is just as crafty and clever as you are. Likewise, Black Panther vs. Batman also demonstrates that if your opponent is just as much of a strategic genius and has a Nigh-Invulnerable super suit that you're not prepared for, you'd be in for a losing battle.
Similarly, the Master Chief vs. Doomguy video shows why being what amounts to a Badass Normal One-Man Army doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, isn't Unskilled, but Strong in comparison to the enemies you fight, has fought much more experienced, skilled and/or tougher enemies, can nullify your greatest asset, and has much more experience in combat.
In a similar vein, Dante wins his match by nullifying Bayonetta's two greatest assets: 1: Quicksilver cancels out Witch Time, and 2: Wicked Weaves are just demons that Dante eats for breakfast.
In Blanka vs. Pikachu, after the two spend some time brawling conventionally, Blanka takes advantage of his superior size and simply grabs Pikachu and bites his head off.
Goku vs. Superman does a lot to deconstruct the idea of a reckless, at times stupid Blood Knight with the destructive power to level everything for miles around. Goku challenges Superman to a fight, to which Superman politely declines. When Goku attacks him anyway, an astounded Superman says "You're Insane!" Their resulting fight goes through repeated Serial Escalation as Goku goes through his Super Saiyan forms, with Superman matching him blow for blow, until the Earth explodes due to the backlash of their most powerful attacks.
The second match ups the ante as Goku decides to haul out his Super Saiyan God form for their rematch. Superman? Decides enough's enough and tanks Goku's God Kamehameha, grabs him by the neck and uses both heat and x-ray vision to disintegrate his brain. In the afterlife, King Kai essentially tells Goku there's no way you can beat a character like Superman, getting the Saiyan to finally stand down.
Using up all your energy in a flashy, powerful attack might look cool, but it'll backfire horribly if your opponent manages to survive it. Ryu, Tifa Lockhart, Ichigo, and Cloud all learned this the hard way. While Naruto also used one, Ichigo was in no shape to survive it.
Red, as a Pokémon trainer, has always relied on his Pokémon to fight, a rule enforced by the rules of Pokémon battling / game mechanics. Tai, however, has been involved in fights before such as when he got into a fist-fight with his friend Matt while in the Digital World. While Tai doesn't have actual fighting training, he's still got more experience and is more willing to use it on Red, quickly disabling him.
The above issue helped secure the win for the Digimon team. Since Charizard relies on Red to come up with a strategy, he's quickly overwhelmed when his trainer can't give him any assistance.
Having a Super Mode is great... unless it only last a few minutes and is tied to external resources. Also, even if it makes you physically invulnerable, if it doesn't protect your mind from being wiped completely by an extremely powerful psychic, it's useless too. Shadow loses to Vegeta and Mewtwo for these two reasons..
Having a Healing Factor is great, but it's useless if it can be heavily taxed. This is what costs Deathstroke, Wolverine, Majin Buu, the Hulk, Vergil, Carnage, and Bane their battles. While Deadpool, Doomsday, and Venom also had healing factors, theirs were measurably stronger than Deathstroke's, the Hulk's, and Bane's, allowing them to overwhelm their opponents.
Scrooge's wooden Cane Fu is utterly useless against Shovel Knight, a knight in very tough metal armour. He bounces on the armored knight three times, failing to deal any damage, and gets a brutal beatdown for his trouble. Scrooge is far more successful once he gets a hold of Shovel Knight's own weapon.
Twilight Sparkle always needs her friends and/or a MacGuffin to overpower her show's villains when it comes to magic. She's denied both here, and when fighting she never has any more strategy than simply teleporting around, shielding herself, and blasting the enemy until it goes away. Combine both and Raven is far more successful against Twilight.
Starscream's Null Ray may disable any electronics it hits, but it's completely useless against completely organic beings like Rainbow Dash. Starscream's combat record is also piss-poor, meaning that he is quickly overwhelmed by the much faster Dashie.
"Leon S. Kennedy vs. Frank West" essentially pits an experienced, highly-trained government agent versus a guy with several improvised weapons but lacks proper training. This is one of the reasons why the former wins.
David vs. Goliath can be easily invoked on Humongous Mecha as well. This is what costs the Power Rangers two battles in Death Battle and one in DBX as while the Megazord, Thunder Megazord and Tigerzord tower over Voltron, the Burning Gundam and Gundam Epyon, the latter three have the speed, ingenuity and just the right weaponry to overwhelm the Zords and turn them into scrap. This also allows Zero to destroy Metal Overlord.
Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, a reason why Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to the lightning-absorbing Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu.
Dan Hibiki has never canonically won a duel. This is one of the reasons why Hercule wins.
Another major deciding factor: Hercule is a Joke Character in Dragon Ball, yes. But he's still the world's strongest completely normal human in a cast where the next strongest character is at the very least an Empowered Badass Normal. Compared to Dan, who's a joke in his own world where most fighters are still mildly rooted in realistic power, Hercule in a stand-up fight would completely overwhelm Dan. Hercules' willingness to cheat when things get dire was just for overkill's sake.
One of the major reasons behind the outcome of "Smokey Bear vs. McGruff the Crime Dog". McGruff may be a human-sized anthropomorphic bloodhound, but trying to wrestle an 800-pound black bear does not end well for him. His blows are easily shrugged off by Smokey, and when he manages to pin Smokey down, Smokey easily uses his superior strength to turn the situation around and pin him down instead.
As Sweet Tooth found out the hard way, being slightly stronger and more durable than the average human won't protect you from toxic gas and suffocation. Oh, and leaving the safety of your powerful mecha to "personally" kill your opponent, because they talk you into doing it no less, probably isn't a good idea.
With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives lots of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her.
If one of the opponent's strongest attacks capitalizes on a crippling weaknesses and they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.
Just because you can disable someone's mind and soul doesn't mean their body will stop cold without some kind of restraint in place. When that body is flying as fast, and is as durable, as Master Roshi's, you do not want to be in its path if you can avoid it. Jiraiya failed to account for that, and that mistake cost him his life.
A reality-warping gauntlet is great...unless it only works in its home universe. Just ask Thanos.
In "Goro vs. Machamp", after the latter defeats the former, Machamp poses for the camera... only to pass out shortly after. Victor or not, Machamp suffered some pretty nasty wounds during the fight, namely burns from Goro's dragon fire (which activated his Guts ability and helped nail a win, but still...) and having his lower-left arm torn off.
In general, being Unskilled, but Strong doesn't work out very well for combatants unless they have an overwhelming advantage in power. This was the downfall of Mob and Sailor Galaxia, especially since their opponents had plenty of training and experience to back up their raw power.
Having a minor to massive speed advantage against your opponent, while a pretty significant edge, generally matters little if your opponents strength and durability eclipses you several times over. The likes of The Terminator, Gamera, Knuckles, Ichigo, Jotaro, Jin, Sonicnote In the 2018 rematch against Mario. Jiraiya, Sasuke, Leonardonote Against Jason Lee Scott. Goro, and Zuko all learned this the hard way.
The exact opposite is true as well: Holding a decent strength and durability advantage likely won't matter if your opponent is much, much faster. Just ask Quicksilver, Sindel, and She-Ra.
Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu.
While both Danny Phantom and Jake Long have fought against dragons and ghosts respectively, Danny had fought dragons that were stronger than Jake, while the ghosts that Jake fought were far weaker than Danny. This gave Danny better experience against Jake than vice-versa.
Reality Ensures in Death Battle/DBX
Ultimately what usually decides the winner of most fights in Death Battle.
Batman vs. Spiderman demonstrates why being a Badass Normal doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, can nullify your greatest asset and is just as crafty and clever as you are. Likewise, Black Panther vs. Batman also demonstrates that if your opponent is just as much of a strategic genius and has a Nigh-Invulnerable super suit that you're not prepared for, you'd be in for a losing battle.
Similarly, the Master Chief vs. Doomguy video shows why being what amounts to a Badass Normal One-Man Army doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, isn't Unskilled, but Strong in comparison to the enemies you fight, has fought much more experienced, skilled and/or tougher enemies, can nullify your greatest asset, and has much more experience in combat.
In a similar vein, Dante wins his match by nullifying Bayonetta's two greatest assets: 1: Quicksilver cancels out Witch Time, and 2: Wicked Weaves are just demons that Dante eats for breakfast.
In Blanka vs. Pikachu, after the two spend some time brawling conventionally, Blanka takes advantage of his superior size and simply grabs Pikachu and bites his head off.
Goku vs. Superman does a lot to deconstruct the idea of a reckless, at times stupid Blood Knight with the destructive power to level everything for miles around. Goku challenges Superman to a fight, to which Superman politely declines. When Goku attacks him anyway, an astounded Superman says "You're Insane!" Their resulting fight goes through repeated Serial Escalation as Goku goes through his Super Saiyan forms, with Superman matching him blow for blow, until the Earth explodes due to the backlash of their most powerful attacks.
The second match ups the ante as Goku decides to haul out his Super Saiyan God form for their rematch. Superman? Decides enough's enough and tanks Goku's God Kamehameha, grabs him by the neck and uses both heat and x-ray vision to disintegrate his brain. In the afterlife, King Kai essentially tells Goku there's no way you can beat a character like Superman, getting the Saiyan to finally stand down.
Using up all your energy in a flashy, powerful attack might look cool, but it'll backfire horribly if your opponent manages to survive it. Ryu, Tifa Lockhart, Ichigo, and Cloud all learned this the hard way. While Naruto also used one, Ichigo was in no shape to survive it.
Red, as a Pokémon trainer, has always relied on his Pokémon to fight, a rule enforced by the rules of Pokémon battling / game mechanics. Tai, however, has been involved in fights before such as when he got into a fist-fight with his friend Matt while in the Digital World. While Tai doesn't have actual fighting training, he's still got more experience and is more willing to use it on Red, quickly disabling him.
The above issue helped secure the win for the Digimon team. Since Charizard relies on Red to come up with a strategy, he's quickly overwhelmed when his trainer can't give him any assistance.
Having a Super Mode is great... unless it only last a few minutes and is tied to external resources. Also, even if it makes you physically invulnerable, if it doesn't protect your mind from being wiped completely by an extremely powerful psychic, it's useless too. Shadow loses to Vegeta and Mewtwo for these two reasons..
Having a Healing Factor is great, but it's useless if it can be heavily taxed. This is what costs Deathstroke, Wolverine, Majin Buu, the Hulk, Vergil, Carnage, and Bane their battles. While Deadpool, Doomsday, and Venom also had healing factors, theirs were measurably stronger than Deathstroke's, the Hulk's, and Bane's, allowing them to overwhelm their opponents.
Scrooge's wooden Cane Fu is utterly useless against Shovel Knight, a knight in very tough metal armour. He bounces on the armored knight three times, failing to deal any damage, and gets a brutal beatdown for his trouble. Scrooge is far more successful once he gets a hold of Shovel Knight's own weapon.
Twilight Sparkle always needs her friends and/or a MacGuffin to overpower her show's villains when it comes to magic. She's denied both here, and when fighting she never has any more strategy than simply teleporting around, shielding herself, and blasting the enemy until it goes away. Combine both and Raven is far more successful against Twilight.
Starscream's Null Ray may disable any electronics it hits, but it's completely useless against completely organic beings like Rainbow Dash. Starscream's combat record is also piss-poor, meaning that he is quickly overwhelmed by the much faster Dashie.
"Leon S. Kennedy vs. Frank West" essentially pits an experienced, highly-trained government agent versus a guy with several improvised weapons but lacks proper training. This is one of the reasons why the former wins.
David vs. Goliath can be easily invoked on Humongous Mecha as well. This is what costs the Power Rangers two battles in Death Battle and one in DBX as while the Megazord, Thunder Megazord and Tigerzord tower over Voltron, the Burning Gundam and Gundam Epyon, the latter three have the speed, ingenuity and just the right weaponry to overwhelm the Zords and turn them into scrap. This also allows Zero to destroy Metal Overlord.
Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, a reason why Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to the lightning-absorbing Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu.
Dan Hibiki has never canonically won a duel. This is one of the reasons why Hercule wins.
Another major deciding factor: Hercule is a Joke Character in Dragon Ball, yes. But he's still the world's strongest completely normal human in a cast where the next strongest character is at the very least an Empowered Badass Normal. Compared to Dan, who's a joke in his own world where most fighters are still mildly rooted in realistic power, Hercule in a stand-up fight would completely overwhelm Dan. Hercules' willingness to cheat when things get dire was just for overkill's sake.
One of the major reasons behind the outcome of "Smokey Bear vs. McGruff the Crime Dog". McGruff may be a human-sized anthropomorphic bloodhound, but trying to wrestle an 800-pound black bear does not end well for him. His blows are easily shrugged off by Smokey, and when he manages to pin Smokey down, Smokey easily uses his superior strength to turn the situation around and pin him down instead.
As Sweet Tooth found out the hard way, being slightly stronger and more durable than the average human won't protect you from toxic gas and suffocation. Oh, and leaving the safety of your powerful mecha to "personally" kill your opponent, because they talk you into doing it no less, probably isn't a good idea.
With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives lots of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her.
If one of the opponent's strongest attacks capitalizes on a crippling weaknesses and they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.
Just because you can disable someone's mind and soul doesn't mean their body will stop cold without some kind of restraint in place. When that body is flying as fast, and is as durable, as Master Roshi's, you do not want to be in its path if you can avoid it. Jiraiya failed to account for that, and that mistake cost him his life.
A reality-warping gauntlet is great...unless it only works in its home universe. Just ask Thanos.
In "Goro vs. Machamp", after the latter defeats the former, Machamp poses for the camera... only to pass out shortly after. Victor or not, Machamp suffered some pretty nasty wounds during the fight, namely burns from Goro's dragon fire (which activated his Guts ability and helped nail a win, but still...) and having his lower-left arm torn off.
In general, being Unskilled, but Strong doesn't work out very well for combatants unless they have an overwhelming advantage in power. This was the downfall of Mob and Sailor Galaxia, especially since their opponents had plenty of training and experience to back up their raw power.
Having a minor to massive speed advantage against your opponent, while a pretty significant edge, generally matters little if your opponents strength and durability eclipses you several times over. The likes of The Terminator, Gamera, Knuckles, Ichigo, Jotaro, Jin, Sonicnote In the 2018 rematch against Mario. Jiraiya, Sasuke, Leonardonote Against Jason Lee Scott. Goro, and Zuko all learned this the hard way.
The exact opposite is true as well: Holding a decent strength and durability advantage likely won't matter if your opponent is much, much faster. Just ask Quicksilver, Sindel, and She-Ra.
Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu.
While both Danny Phantom and Jake Long have fought against dragons and ghosts respectively, Danny had fought dragons that were stronger than Jake, while the ghosts that Jake fought were far weaker than Danny. This gave Danny better experience against Jake than vice-versa.
Holy hell, truest comment right here (Though I still disagree with some of the battles like Hulk vs Doomsday)
I agree with literally all of this except for The Carnage one where I genuinely feel that Carnage should have won and there is a video with major evidence to prove so, I have no ill will towards Lucy (Cause I don’t give two shits about anime) but she should have gotten fucking mutilated.
Wolverine should won
@KinAkuma Yeah he should have won.
I'm glad this battle was debunked because raiden is from a videogame and wolverine was originally from comics and has more feats. He has fought spiderman,hulk,juggernaut, Colossus,thanos,and even thor! So your telling that raiden can compete with that. And by you I actually mean deathbattle.
My god... it was rigged this hole time?!
Raiden beats wolverine
My conclusion is: it depends on what version of wolverine. 1. In theory, if Wolverines adamantium can be melted in the first place to be used intravenously, it means the molecules can be manipulated, which is what can happen to any metal (to my knowledge) and the HF effects objects at an instant otherwise he would have to hack at objects instead of a clean slice . 2. If you're saying that Misty's effect being extrapolated to the HF blade cant be fully assumed, then your point about the silver samurai blade using tacheon particles linked to HF blade can't be certain either. So Raiden continues to win since the point is moot on both sides here
This video is several years old. They were WAY more off than I originally stated.
They literally LOWBALLED the shit out of all of wolverines stats.
Pissed Wolverine can blitz Thor and Thanos, but Raidens too fast? Lmfao.
His adamantium was never melted. Only a different form was. We know metals in marvel completely change when altered
Assuming his melts(yet can withstand the phoenix force lmfao) because a different metal melted is.... Well, idiotic.
@Sir Splash
Resurrecting a dead horse tonight :) If Wolverine had no healing factor when he took a strike from Thor, then this puts his bodily durability(leaving his ADA-skeleton aside, just flesh) for blunt force trauma as similar to Wonder Woman's. Correct? cuz i'm thinking he should be a blood smear otherwise.
What if raiden's blade is like misty's adamantium and slowly erodes the adamantium allowing him to finish the fight.
But wolverine would probably come back after an hour, but weakened for the next fight due to lack of adamantium.
You are wrong. Even if it would “slowly erode the adamantium” wolverine isn’t just gunna stand there and let him do it. Raiden wouldn’t get the chance
Additionally getting rid of the adamantium does not weaken Wolverine. If anything it makes wolverine even harder to put down, since his adamantium suppresses his healing factor from reaching its max potential
@@TheGamingRift11 remember
His claws are pure adamantium
His claws arent going to be destroyed easily by anti metal as splash said that when he was a similar event,wolverine claws were fine
@@godspeedforce9371 I’m well aware. I doubt the blade could do anything to the primary Adamantium that wolverine uses.
And it’s incredibly annoying when Raiden fanboys insist that the blade would cut through when that sort of molecular cutting doesn’t work against wolverines metak
@@TheGamingRift11 also he escaped from that same adamantium shell
That should mean that he could destroy raiden swords like nothen
@@godspeedforce9371 agreed
Love these debunked videos.
Anybody who watched Death Battle’s video should come watch this.
Also after watching this video and their video, clearly they were biased towards Raiden.
Loved this n was waiting for someone to say anything
"Raiden's strength is not gonna overwhelm Wolverine. Ask Hulk.
Hulk: Nah bruh. You ain't fucking with him.
Thor: Yep
Professor X: Indeed
Magneto: Quite
Lol
Except Hulk has beaten the dogshit out of Wolverine everytime they have fought.
@@outlawgt3045 yeah and wolverine survived. Tell me do you think Raiden is surviving an encounter with Hulk?
@@outlawgt3045 Wolverine beat Hulk a couple times and Hulk is infinitely stronger than Raiden and Wolverine reacted to Speed Demon and beat him who is even faster than the Flash at times these are two extremes. Raiden speed and strength advantage isn’t that, besides do you really think Raiden would survive against the Hulk?
@@MrAHole-kl4cn The only fight Wolverine has ever won against the Hulk was in a "What if" comic and those don't count. STFU dude.. You are making stuff up in your mind. Wolverine has never beaten the Hulk in a fight. The Hulk has ripped Wolverine in half and thrown his body parts miles away from each other and he did it easily. Wolverine has lost so many times to the Hulk that he doesn't even fight him anymore. He runs away when Hulk comes after him.
The Princess Bride sword fight, "You underestimate me, for I am not left handed." Indigo Montoya
The masked man, "You also underestimate me, I am also not left handed!"
They wanted Raiden to win, Wolverine probably solos Metal Gear with ease.
Michael Is Here he does, if they were all standing in a room he’d be killing them and none of them could even see it happen, they would see him running at them, but as for when Wolverine starts combat they literally will just see each other all standing before slowly sliding apart from all the slices
I'll assume you know nothing about metal gear other than there's a sneaky boy and giant robots.
@@JoshDrakePendora Except Raiden is faster than wolvie, stronger than him, and was able to kill Armstrong who had Nanomachines that constantly blocked attacks.
Adamantium is not Unbreakable, and that applies to the movies and comics. HF blades utilize very high speed vibrations to destabilize and break molecular bonds and cut through virtually anything regardless of Durability. Wolvie still loses even if Marvel retconned Misty's adamantium feat.
@@secondpath5148 no the hell he’s not lol.
@@michaelgarcia5680 ok
Raiden can cut through Nanomachines, son, though..
;)
No he couldn't he failed to cut through the senator which is why he had to stab him in the soft spot
“Son! Though...” what?
@@cookiecrumb1018 I’m aware. My comment was basically what was implied in the Death Battle episode, hence why I put a winking emoticon beneath it.
@@nota13xxsbed23 I fixed that grammar error.
Darth maul vs Wolverine?
Honestly this battle was one of the worst examples of DBs bias. For one reason only. Raidens “regeneration” is limited to absorbing Nanomachines. Wolverines isn’t.
They literally threw Raiden toss away enemies just to buff him so he could win the fight. Without outside interference, he dies.
Doesn't Raiden carry his healing with himself up to 5(or more, can't remember properly)?
@@user-yo1im9pi8z Even if he carries them with, the fact is that this regen is limited. Without other cyborg enemies from his verse around to feed him, he will run out after a few heals. Additionally, it’s an active thing. It’s not passive.
Wolverine has gone for days against enemies like the Hulk without his regeneration factor wearing out. And every single strike he lands on Raiden is potentially lethal, or able to remove limbs. While there is nothing to suggest anything but Raidens most top tier attacks could even phase wolverine.
@@The-Yellow-Man in game as i remember this type of healing can be automatically activated after your hp drops below zero,so under question.
Also about Hulk,i am not a genius or professional,but wouldn't Jack be able to stand against Hulk for the same out of time? Like,he has more reaction speed,faster and able to cut Hulk for a lot of time.
I am not saying that he can beat Hulk,but he can stand long enough,before dying.
And i remember Wolverine dying in his movie(Logan) from being damaged by log and his "clone",even after buffing himself.
Maybe i missed something in that movie,or what?
@@user-yo1im9pi8z A: Raidens regen is STILL limited. Regardless of if it auto proc’s at low health, there is a finite amount of regen he can have even at his MOST wanked level.
B: Hulk has insane reaction times and reflexes. He can track characters moving at supersonic speeds and respond in kind. He regenerates almost as fast as wolverine at his base level, and far faster when enraged. Not only this but he has fought people a hundred times more powerful and dangerous than Raiden many times. Just look up the fight between Hulk and Sentry and tell me Raiden even stands a chance. Meanwhile that same version off Hulk admitted he had no way to actually kill Wolverine. All he could do was continue to give him concussions to keep him out of the fight.
C: We aren’t talking about the movies. All the MCU characters are hilariously nerfed compared to their comic counterparts. Wolverine in the comics is specifically who they used for the purposes of scaling in this death battle.
Jack might be able to fight Hulk for a while, even possibly score serious wounds. But again, and this really is the only point that matters….his regen would run out without fodder enemies giving him fresh nanites. Hours, minutes, days, doesn’t matter. His regen runs out. Wolverines doesn’t.
@@The-Yellow-Man OK, I’m able to understand your positioning here, however, you’re forgetting the fact that Raiden’s speed outclasses Wolvie’s significantly and that his technology is more efficient than Wolverines’ abilities. Also, Wolverine being able to hurt Hulk is moreso due to the fact that, I dunno, Wolvie has adamantium claws capable of cutting through practically anything? Hulk hasn’t shown any sort of immunity to piercing weapons, in fact, he can get dazed by certain tranquilliser darts and swords strong enough to pierce him, so, there’s no evidence stating that Raiden (who can cut through Metal Gear mechs capable of surviving nuclear warheads, as well as literally pick them up and throw them with minimal effort) can’t keep up with Hulk like Wolverine can. You’re confusing blunt-type damage with piercing, they’re significantly different. Piercing weapons separate atomic bonds (hence why they’re sharp) whereas blunt force only compresses it. Hence why Wolvie wouldn’t’ve needed his healing factor with Hulk (a purely blunt-force guy) as he does with Raiden. As for his regeneration, Raiden isn’t solely reliant on it if things were to go south. In fact, not once did he heal against Senator Armstrong (who punched Raiden through a Metal Gear Nuclear Warhead Mech which blew the entire thing to smithereens) and yet managed to defeat him without even going into Ripper Mode. Even outside of the Senator, however, he’s still capable of fighting even with severed limbs or dozens of cuts and stabs; it’s not easy to kill him with piercing weapons.
Him saying that Misty's arm beating adamantium was like a wood and thrown at wood is just a dumb analogy that comes off very biased. She grabbed an adamantium sword and it melted in her hand. Also, where does it say that Tachyons destabilize materials and and not just increases the cutting power of the blade? Seriously, asking for an example, a comic panel, a quote from a character in a book, anything other than people interpreting a fictional particle of energy saying that it does one thing when what ive read says it does the other?
To be fair, beforehand Misty deflected the adamantium sword with her arm which melted it, not just her hand. I’m pretty sure Raiden will be swinging at Wolvie’s adamantium skull the entire time.
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Honestly at this point I can't stand watching skrewattack. They're completely biased in all their answers and half the time they either miss alot of shit or intentionally leave it out. They even make up shit and use their own headcannon to explain a win like how they pretended hulk's healing factor could just be overwhelmed and you could kill him. I called it from way back then that it was bullshit and that doesn't make any sense at all and that theoretically with how his healing factor works he shouldn't be able to die, then what do you know they end up revealing that hulk CAN'T die and will always just regenerate from whatever's left of him. Worst part about it is, most people watching don't read the shit so they just take their word as gospel.
-_- You did this only cuz you wanted wolverine to win raiden is better just accept it
The Realm of Splash explain why wolverine wins I can certainly explain why he loses in a fight.
I mean wolverine has fought hulk sentry gladiator thor namor the list goes on these are pretty heavy hitters added hulk can bend pure adamantium
Allister he literally said he prefers Raiden wtf is up with you fam😂😂😂
Y'know what. I'll agree with some of the points you made. But the point about the adamantium misty knight melted through possibly being bonded with another element is bullshit. It doesn't matter if the adamantium was bonded with something or not the HF blades would've cut through it the same. If it's a molecule Raiden's HF blade would've cut through it. Wolverine making it a waiting game? That's boring asf. Also lame asf. Not to mention Raiden's fuel gage only goes down in Ripper Mode or Blade Mode. "Wolverine would've cut through the backside of Raiden's sword." Raiden is faster. There would be almost no possible way Wolverine could get behind the blade to cut it. Also you claimed the blade didn't have an HF frequency on both sides. You're just plain wrong. The Murasama's red color is not one of the metal's properties. When Sam modified the blade into an HF one the blade turned red. Some good points. Some less than stellar points. I'm also fairly confident that Silver Samurai's sword works ever so slightly differently than the ones in MG. In MGR:R, HF depends on weapon quality. The Murasama, being made by Japanese swordsmith Muramasa, would be very high. Meaning that the HF would be very strong. All-in-all DB just wanted to do a fun video. There's really no point in arguing who would've or should've won.
Its verbatim a different substance. And it took time.
This is also a property with higher dimensional properties. Thats not molecular melting of normality at all.
This was also years ago. My opinion changed with research.
Wolverine one shots casually
idk i cant remember correctly but didnt wolverine predict where speed demon was going to be instead of just outright react
Sir Splash no problem👌🏽, but yeah when people meant that raiden was to fast for wolverine to react they meant that raiden wont be doing what speed demon did he is going to be close to wolverine slashing him back and forth at incredible speed using zandatsu so even if wolverine blocked one attack he would get hit in multiple other areas unless wolverine can strike as fast as raiden which i dont think, and screw attack did get a piece of info about raidens body wrong
@@BigSirSplash Sir Splash I don't know, hasn't he tanked multiple attacks from Armstrong's Town-City blows as well as high-frequency blade attacks from Monsoon and Jetstream Sam whose cutting blades are on par with Raiden's HF blade? He can definitely survive more than a few attacks from Wolverine, and while Wolverine has the reactions to counter Raiden's speed, Raiden's not at all going to let Wolverine land his hits.
Outrunning bullets moving at 2,000 mph is nothing to Raiden hopscotching missiles in almost slow-mo at Mach 1,685 even without the massive speed increase granted by Blade Mode or Ripper Mode. One of Speed Demon's best quantifiable feats is running 81000 km in 8 hours... Which comes out to a little more than 6,000 mph. While I don't doubt he has greater feats that Wolverine scales to, it is one of the more quantifiable ones he has. Not to mention that Wolverine was reacting to Speed Demon blitzing around, Wolverine was *not* reacting to close-up melee attacks like what Raiden uses.
About the adamantium comparison, it's worth noting that Ultron's adamantium bodies - each of which are undoubtedly as strong or even stronger than Wolverine's skeleton - are *repeatedly* damaged by Antarctic vibranium based attacks which clearly don't operate by matching the brute power of Thor or Hulk. That, and Misty was merely gripping the adamantium blade; literally just gripping it and not slashing at it with a cutting blade which by default tear through objects much easier than any hand, and the adamantium blade her hand grabbed was shown to disintegrate and melt within seconds, which are all a precise fighter like Raiden needs. Also, contrary to popular belief, Wolverine actually cannot regenerate his limbs if they are completely cut off from his body, and severing limbs is something Raiden is rather known to do to opponents (I.e the joints in Sundowner's shields and Mistral's L'Etranger), something he would have an easier time doing since his HF blade grants better range than Wolverine's shorter bone claws.
The Realm of Splash wolverine gets knocked out by raiden
@@eem2wavy133 nope
You don't need to cut through Wolverine in order to beat him, and Wolverine has been beaten by street level characters in Marvel.
This fight would be worse than his encounters with Gorgon, and I think, similarly to Death Battle, you greatly low balled Raiden.
This is a very old video. Since death battle assumes they are at their peak, wolverine slaps 10/10 lol. He fought in x of swords across every plane of existence😂 punctured Green Scar, Thanos, hurt Thor, fought Mephisto, beat the Wendigo who had just stalemated hulk, the same hulk who punched apart a hyperdimensional construct😭.
Peak wolverine absolutely slaughters peak raiden, but raidens verse doesnt afford him many outliers so its a dumb battle layout(I hate that death battle does it)
Now as for consistency, way better argument for Raiden. However, you disrespected Marvel Street tiers. Iron Fist trained for 2+ decades outside of Time itself. Wolverine thrashed him lol. Cap has bested Thor(Marvel Premier 4) because of his reflexes IQ and skill, and hes also beat the Executioner.
(Post Civil War) Wolverine fought and Damaged Ragnarok the Thor Clone.
Wolverine has a winning record against cap btw
Marvel street tiers are easily ftl. Even regular marvel humans can observe mftl battles😭
@@BigSirSplash Sure, but I'm operating on the premise how Wolverine performs consistently. DB's takes are atrocious, and under those circumstances I agree Wolverine takes it. The irony (if intentional or unintentional.) isn't lost on me. It's a take that's basically your version of DB.
Lol, "disrespecting" the street levels wasn't my intent. I was just laying out if you take in account the progression of the exoskeleton's performance from MGS1 to MGR...its output isn't street level.
Which is why I used Gorgon as an example, I'm thinking of a more consistent representation of Wolverine. Such as Wolverine's scuffle with the Hulk in WWH. That outcome would happen all day, everyday if we were being "realistic" and not recognizing the fact that Marvel has to sell comics, and therefore has to "sell Wolverine" to the reader.
Character in service to the plot, and all that BS.
@@DirtyOrbBear you know wolvie got slumped by a deer once lol
@@BigSirSplash Yes. lol
@@BigSirSplash but wolverine also keeps getting bodied by spiderman every time they fight and Kane just beat his ass for no reason ND then kept talking shit to the other avengers he wanted all of the smoke and don't get me wrong Logan is a busted ass fighter but because the HF blade cuts a t a molecular level by cutting and destroying atoms at the subatomic level meaning he can't heal fast enough I Eman even tho he lost hell.jsut comeback and make raidne throw them hands a second time Logan never ceases to get his rematch I mean hie still loses now that I type this out he's like vegeta
Nice breakdown
I’m not here to hate, I’m just giving my opinions. I don’t really give a shit who wins or lose. I’m never a wolverine fan and I’ll tell you why. 1. His a boring ass to watch. 2. he have no special moves at all, example (martial arts related). 3. anyone can swing like him with claws. All he have is his metal skeleton and healing power. You know that everyone knows that. I tried watching his movie but every time I felt asleep because he’s just too fking boring. Take dead pool for example, or even Batman who can really fight and not just swing like a crazy dude. And in this fight you can clearly see how cool or badass raiden fights. Don’t get me wrong but that’s the truth.
false in every way the only media where wolverine actually fights like how he is supposed to is in video games the same with spiderman (before the stupid ps4 /5 version) and batman
Wolverine is the Tom and bluto of marvel 😂😂
Screw attack does this all the time when they miss use information
So stark or oscorp haven't invented a hf blade yet? Because nothing can cut adamantium. Adamant translates into indestructible from latin
EXACTLY
There’s a couple things that would end up in Wolverine losing this battle and those are his limitations, cumulative or severe injuries can overload his healing factor imgur.com/a/mVfkI1P at that point his healing factor may short out momentarily, and he can go down i.imgur.com/vlN5osJ.png and I know Wolverine took hits from hulk or Thor but far less powerful characters/things have hurt or knock out Wolverine for a while far more consistently imgur.com/a/dwR5OMO
imgur.com/a/fPYie
Heavy or powerful gunfire can incapacitate him at least briefly imgur.com/a/sFpMi
Small caliber head shots can stagger him larger caliber head shots can severely stun him imgur.com/a/i3xCb
Wolverine is sneaked up on fairy frequently imgur.com/a/9ftfe
His senses aren’t infallible ether imgur.com/a/TCEzO
You can’t just say his healing factor will short circuit based on one panel of a comic same thing with a lot of your excuses but yes he was knocked out but I can’t just punch your arm and you will get knocked out it’s the same thing with the thor and hulk feats because they weren’t BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA also Wolverine got snuck up in by a ninja ever consider that. he’s barley stunned when shot doesn’t change the fact the same thing would happen with raiden. Overall your points aren’t valid
Wolverine is like those big cocky dogs. Always bark at anything and everything, just to get it's ass kicked at the end.
He’s not Vegeta, lol. You make it out like he’s getting washed in every fight he’s in. Wolvie’s win/loss record speaks for itself.
How? Wolverine has admitted that Ogun, his master for a time, was superior to him in combat and that he likely wouldn’t be able to beat him
@@wadewilson333 this Man stay getting hus ass beat Hell spider man is the worst offender he has bears longans ass plenty of times and then his clone circled bakc.beat his ass 3 times over and then told the avenfer she'd fuck them up too Kane wanted all the smoke that day and thats a high ball Logan is marvels vegeta he's still a badass jsut one that can't win
@@wadewilson333 also he took and L to Thor cap hulk magneto Ironman captain marvel anyone he fought during Civil War Thanos do I have to keep counting
@@jinxact532 way to miss the entire point of my reply, but you can keep naming them off if you want to. I won’t stop ya.
your cap vs batman is wrong cap wins yes but it is a death battle and batman holding back will beat and kill cap
@@BigSirSplash I mean cap will win some but batman not holding back win the most and tell danco t stop mismatchs
@@sophiefyfe7933 batman vs captain America no he's not wrong cap is far faster stronger better reaction time captain America beat crossbones without the super serum added cap is one of the best hand to hand combatants in marvel hell he went toe to toe with beast gambit and a namor clone and came up on top every time
GTS yeah Cap is literally stronger then batman by thousands of times in terms of AP, and at least tens of times faster in reactions, plus he is a better fighter then Batman, and has a shield that can one shot Batman on top of already being able to one shot batman himself physically
@@JoshDrakePendora your are a marvel fanboy cap is not a thousands reaction speed batman can deal with that seeming like batman fights deathstroke all the time cap is not a better fighter then batman and cap cant one shot batman dumbass
@@wallsterrence yes cap is one of the best fighter in marvel but batman is still a better fighter dc has the better fighters reaction time batman fight deathstroke all the time batman is beat beast gambit and a namor clone batman will realised that cap is stronger and stat to use stealth and snap his neck
So Wolverine pretty much has Daredevil’s powers would DD be able to beat Raiden too?
Wolverine has better senses then Daredevil, is superhuman, has one of the best healing factors in Marvel, and plus has adiantum claws. No DD wouldn’t have the ability to beat Raiden, but characters like Captain America and Deadpool would
@@MrAHole-kl4cn I mean, if we go hardcore and scale Daredevil from Symbiote Spider-Man, who stomped Firelord, which is herald level feat, then DD would stomp Raiden as well. But that would be an epic highball, normal version of DD is still a street lvl
@@MrAHole-kl4cn how would cap beat raide I mean I love marvel and MGRR how would he beat him
I like your points but in ridens defense becuse he is stronger than wolvrine and faster he can just try to knock out the x man becuse in some fight with black panther he was able to knock out wolvrine and even spiderman in some cases has been known to take out wolvrine am not trying to say that riden can kill wolvrine but I think if he trys to keep his head and not be put down he can take him out but not kill him.
Black panther and Spider-Man are nothing to undermine though. They’re beasts
@@achimpanzee9210 you mean black panther and spiderman are beast
@@Death67890 huh?
This debunk seems as biased as screwattack is sometimes. Hes upset wolverine lost which i understand and ill agree that its likely screwattack did have biased for raiden though since you see how they talk about him
This is several years old
I really lowballed Wolverine massively in this one.
Hey. I appreciate you replying so fast. Dont see that much. I just noticed your second video on the subject and trying to listen to it in case any details have changed with time and knowledge
Also, I do wanna say that I really appreciate you saying combat speed and reaction speed aren't the same. A lot of people don't seem to know that and I've been saying that for a while so its cool to see someone else that understands it
@@sereondigits2372 both are several years old lol.
Wolverine stomps raiden pretty easily with current scaling.
Hes literally fought in realms beyond time and space and has tanked hits from the likes of hulk
I didn't mean to say you were wrong. But some of the information you presented and how you presented it is wrong and seems made from a point of only wanting wolverine to win
It is a video plus his head was chopped off
Wolvie loses simply because HF blades Break molecular bonds and ignore conventional durability. Even if Wolvie's adamantium has a regen, Raiden's sword can still weaken the bonds and cut through it. Also he's able to use Zendatsu to be extremely precise allowing him to make cuts in vulnerable areas like, say, Wolvie's neck. So he still loses.
Btw, the "Blood Regen" Feat is non canon and required a Crystal infused with cosmic power to do. Wolvie isn't that durable normally. Durable enough to survive nukes? Yes. But magneto still drowned him and Deadpool also decapitated him, WITH A SWORD THAT USED THE SAME CONCEPT AS RAIDEN'S HF BLADE.
Deadpool kills the marvel universe isn't canon
@@wallsterrence and so is the blood regen feat
@@secondpath5148 ya fair enough
@@secondpath5148 but still he's got some strong piercing power
@@secondpath5148 it's canon, but it was under the certain ciscumstances.
Raiden can certainly knock out wolverine rather easily honestly.
The Realm of Splash lol you mean the same character who black panther and captain America can keep up with will somehow 10/10 raiden?
Your trolling right?
Raiden simply knocks out wolverine he is strong enough to do so.
The Realm of Splash don’t need the money and also I just downloaded it.
So I just type your name right?
The Realm of Splash how the f do I join your discord?
Actually why can’t I just debate you on here?
The Realm of Splash alright I got the discord
We debate on general? Or splash wars
The Realm of Splash what time? I can debate at 1:30 or 2:00
Raiden could beat Wolverine pretty handily even if his sword cannot cut through Wolverine's skeleton...in pretty much anything other than a death battle. If he actually has to kill Wolverine and his sword isn't up to task, then I think Raiden's best option is drowning him. No matter how good Wolverine's healing factor is, he is an animal, which means his cells need oxygen to do anything, and furthermore he is a human, so his cells cannot perform respiration if he is totally submerged. Wolverine would probably have an easier time cutting Raiden and waiting for him to die than Raiden would keeping Wolverine underwater long enough though
I do not care for either character, so whoever loses is a win. I was surprised to hear someone argue that a vibro sword...high frequency blade... might not actually be able to get through Wolverine's skeleton though.
Would make no sense if it did? And adamantium has sustained solar system+ levels of damage lowballed and never took damage. Wolverines tagged thor and thanos and is casually ftl in combat. This is an old video and i disagree with it. I was too nice and wolvie honestly slaps
@@BigSirSplash Which television station sold it's reruns by saying "if you haven't seen it, it's new to you!" Anyway, I'm not even arguing that you're wrong about adamantium withstanding the high frequency blade. I'm just admitting that when Death Battle said that it should act the same way as antimetal vibranium, I didn't even think to challenge it. I didn't even think it was going to come up, I just thought Wolverine would win and didn't mind seeing Raiden dying.
There is an argument to be made, besides that "frequency" and "vibrate" can have similar connotations. The high frequency blade targets solid state molecules in general, while Antarctic vibrianium attacks metal bonds specifically. They do work similar, but the argument hinges on a key difference. It's not an argument I'm actually interested in taking a side on, that seems suited for a chemist, I'm just surprised you were willing. It was an interesting listen.
What I am suggesting is that Raiden should not have much trouble pushing Wolverine out a window or something and then continuing on his merry way. Much less than the other way around. If he then has to jump out the window to make sure Wolverine is dead or wait for Wolverine to come back to him, then he's in real trouble. Punisher was able to beat Wolverine once, when the stakes were fairly low, but when it came to life or death he ended up as cutlets washing down the drain, by the hand of Daken, who I recall losing to Wolverine. Beast was able to wrestle berserker state Wolverine to the floor, but Beast didn't have to kill him now did he? No, he just waited for Wolverine to cool off. Stacy X or whatever the pheromone lizard's name is, she was able to disorient and slap Wolverine around, but she didn't have to kill him either, just avoid being cut to pieces long enough the other members of whatever X-team that was to break it up.
I could see someone of Raiden's caliber, who can stop a ship with an outstretched arm while the other is amputated, winning without a reliable kill option, if the win condition was less than lethal. I also have no problem with Raiden dying in a scenario where he never stood a chance. Screw Attack used that logic for (Mortal Kombat)Raiden versus Thor, for Hulk versus Doomsday. They surprised me by bringing up Antarctic vibranium when I was sure Raiden would die and you in turn surprised me by challenging the validity of the comparison. I enjoyed the both death battle and the debunk more than I thought I would, considering the characters used.
@@insupportofjunhado yours, and their argument, is dishonest even if you dont mean it to be. You are pulling up all these low end feats for wolverine, but ignore raidens? Thats dishonest. Deathbattle rule #3 says each is assumed at peak. So we have peak wolverine who can stab thanos, cut thor, fight cap and his team for at least a day, fights sabertooth consistently for several hours, fought across all planes of existence recently in x of swords, etc. Hes fought across timeless voids and further realities. He tanked getting punched across multiple state lines. He tanked hits from red hulk and she hulk. I pray you dont think raiden remotely even scales to them physically? Wolverine can slice into thor who can withstand galaxy busting blast and god bombs that reduce time to "tar." Whats raiden got that scales to that😭
@@BigSirSplash I figured simply suggesting that Wolverine and Raiden fight with less than lethal stakes was also suggesting that I was not holding myself to the rules of Screw Attack's Death Battle series...but that's not entirely honest on my part right there, because I didn't know enough about the series to know they had a numbered list of rules. I'm firmly aware of the fact they tend to pick and choose which feats to argue, and do not always specify which version of the character is being used.
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@@insupportofjunhado i agree with you, that their rules and stuff are dumb. I agree with using consistency
Why not let Raiden throw Wolverine to space?
Shooting star meme
BFR doesn't count, and Logan has already launched in to orbit and survive.
So many people still with their comic biases, typical salty comic fanboys.........
Not an argument buddy
@@hainguyenthanh8601 At least he made an effort lol
@@glennthehelper4524 Then he can debunk this video instead of using buzzword
🤣🤣..really..? I thought the fight was actually too long. Raiden is wayyyyyy superior in every freaking way in hell vs wolverine who only have is metal skeleton. Get outta here.
He’s not superior in every way and wolverines “metal skeleton” negs everything Raiden will throw his way.
Not to mention Raiden has no counter for those claws and wolverine has a shit tonne more stamina and can just outlast him.
It’s not a stomp, but there is no way Raiden can win with the weapons he uses. It’ll take ages but Wolverine will win every time
@@TheGamingRift11 true. Raiden is tough, but Wolverine has taken down similar or even better foes.
Look at a comic.
Raiden Kill machine and wolverin animal😂
What?
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