Stop the video when his arm actually hit the dude's face, you can clearly see that it's almost at 90 degrees up when it connects, with a foward motion. 100% legit call by the ref, this should not be unpunished.
Then look at his legs and feet when he spot the other player. He starts to lift his body so his elbow hit the head. You can clearly see he almost jumped while openning arm. When you protect yourseulf you don't explode outwards, You contract your body and prepare for impact. This is a tough call tho it's not 100% evident but when you know contact sports, you know how to behave in half a second...
Who'd have thought Jon Wells didn't think it was a red. If it were other way round & a wigan player did it he'd be going mad, get him off campbell I caynt speyk. Be wanting him fined, banned & jailed if it were a wigan player. Proper clown that mon.
Who'd have thought Jon Wells didn't think it was a red. If it were other way round & a wigan player did it he'd be going mad, get him off campbell I caynt speyk. Be wanting him fined, banned & jailed if it were a wigan player. Proper clown that mon.
How can anyone say that's harsh any rugby player trying to protect themselves either step or drop their shoulder you never raise your elbow to protect yourself
His arm was way too far from his body, i don't understand why people question this. You can also see he raise it forward insted of bringing it closer to him. That was an offensive gesture not defensive. Refrees specialy in rugby can't let these unpunished.
It was unfortunate, but that was instinct. You look at that vision in real speed & you can tell that's a natural reflex for someone with another person coming at them with speed.
The difference between the codes is evident right there! Obvious sending off in Union,,and the backchat to ref would not happen. Don’t know much about league but if they are allowed to lead with the elbow,,that’s nasty and unsportsmanlike!
sherman4970 yeah totally, like when Hartley and Slimani traded cheap shot forearms to each others faces and only got yellow carded.... There are plenty of union videos showing just as bad fouls and backchatting and a few involve Hartley
The referees in rugby wouldn't normally take that from the hull players but he's spineless and too keen on explaining his decision, in the wc final against england the referee told an england player to walk away very firmly and he did no questions asked.
Any situation where the doctors decide to drag out a receiver of such a move should be an easy red card. Rugby can not become a sport where defenseless (those caught strung out unable to move away from attacks) players end up becoming fair game to be removed for replacements without penalty issued against players who are such dangerous regarding their conduct on the pitch.
Even in slow motion you can see him swing his elbow into his face, then starts screaming "NO WAY" when he gets sent off 😂. How the disciplinary overturned this was beyond me. If that was a Wigan player, he would've got at least 4 game ban
Of course you can't raise the elbow into a tackler's head. And if you're not convinced it's dangerous, just look at the results on this play. Easy call.
ynotnilknarf39 “sonshine” 😂you can see that watts clearly lifts his elbow up to 90° while McIlorum is running towards him Micky couldn’t have stopped mid tracks and let him run past could he you goon! Pause it at 2:11 you can clearly see he takes in the ball passes it to the other hand and raises his elbow while Micky is running in. Then has the audacity to lift his elbow up again. Clueless. specsavers sponsor the refs and they’re giving out free eye tests.
ynotnilknarf39 ynotnilknarf39 you sound like a 7 year old child “you’re wrong, I’m right” however he lifts his elbow up multiple times which is very much evident. And never mind specsavers, need get a concussion test more than Micky Mac did, your obviously a bit confused
ynotnilknarf39 horrendous language and you obviously sound like an ignorant person who can’t see both sides of an argument or take into consideration the opposing points or that you maybe wrong. Believe it or not you can be wrong, I recommend using what little brain cells you have left to think this through :)
Dan scrums? It’s a ruck, at least educate yourself lol, after playing both sports I prefer union, uncontested scrums, no fighting for the ball, fairy sport league is, real men play union period.
This is the RFL right, Rugby League in England. What Stadium they are using? I notice watching the EPL that some stadioums in the North of England show fainted Rugby League marks.
You can't say as a spectator cheat sorry guys. I know rugby league like rugby is a physical game. But there is some limit. Anything with head contact should be a red card
Yeah ok ok by the rules the elbow hit the guys head so red card! However I would argue in this instance that was a result of the tackler being a headless chicken and not selecting a shoulder to tackle with also he was too high. The guy with the ball was unsure of which way to brace for the tackle he tried to turn one way catching the headless chicken-man in the face with his elbow. it wasn't deliberate i guess is my point he didn't mean to knock the guy clean out. It was a technically very poor tackle!
how do u know the guy was unsure? how was it a poor tackle? he led with the correct shoulder, his arch was just below chest level, idk about you, but i think you need to actually know how to play footy, i mean you sound like a 12 year old, just stick to ur maths and english.
Well i say its a poor tackle: A. because he didn't actually tackle the man and B. because he knocked himself fucking cold out. I dunno what planet you live on you mate, but most people would agree that knocking yourself out and not tackling the man with the ball constitutes as a poor tackle. Not sure how it works in rugby league but this guys a number 9 and he looked fucking tiny, so whys he rushing up against a guy twice his size trying to land the big shot? In union the number 9 is generally the smallest guy on the pitch and doesn't generally rush up to put in a big tackle in this way.
That was more of a brace as a normal reaction coming into contact..... NOT as the title says ' leading with an elbow. Very complicated issue but definitely not intentional. Tackler was partly to blame.... not tackling low enough
Who'd have thought Jon Wells didn't think it was a red. If it were other way round & a wigan player did it he'd be going mad, get him off campbell I caynt speyk. Be wanting him fined, banned & jailed if it were a wigan player. Proper clown that mon.
that was a bad tackle in any code he's come in high against a bigger player.he had a run up and hit him in the elbow.if he'd hit the hip he'd have put him down.
They should take into account who the foul was committed against, this is normal play from current and historical Wigan 9's. I'd have given Liam man of the match for this!
Joe Neadley you're right. Rugby is often tough contact, and the player just acted instinctively... But ist not really the worst decision. The red card of damian de allende against the all blacks was ever worse than this
No, Nick. Both of you are wrong. Tough contact is enabled, but you have to use your brains before brawn. That is why Watts was sent off, because he didn't think clearly to fend off McIlorum with a hand off. Instead he used the elbow. YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
Good old mcilorum getting dropped🤣,could watch that allday, there's one of super league dirtiest players by far,jwhat goes around comes around.ust to top that off big wattsy is a good pal of mine🤣🤣👊
commentators should just try to be honest , two fouls in two tackles. not rocket science ....... two fouls no excuses, , fact..... the referee should also be punished for his lack of responsibility, cowardice and incompetence.
sicne when the hell was that illegal????? thats literally part of the sport. of you cant tackle the guy without eating an elbow then youre not making a good tackle. ive never heard of this rule in my whole life.
geez those commentators are useless....not a send off the elbow was not raised that much.....short player runs himself into the elbow, poor tackling technique.
Keith Wetherhold pause it at 2:11 his elbow is up at 90° it’s pretty obvious McIlorum couldn’t have stopped then could he? he also purposely swapped the hand he was holding the ball in to stick his elbow out.
The dude ran in straight like an idiot leaving his line and opening a gap if the runner had more time his arm wouldve extended therefore calling it a palm not an elbow silly decision from ref yes the elbow did hit but it wasnt delibrate also if a man runs into to go for a tackle he shouldnt have his head in that position its dangerous and could probably kill you if he tackled correctly his head would be at the runners backside or back but because this idiot decided to ditch his team and go in for a hit his technique was incorrect and he injured himself his body and head should be in a line his head shoukdnt have been at such an awkward angle
CHICKEN NUGGET that's how you play rugby though you should always put pressure on the other team it's only red cause he actually could have stopped the elbow from happening
thebbxpanda you put pressure on the other player but his form of tackling and position was what caused his injury the other player is trying to palm him off but due to how fast he rushed he had no time to bring up his hand completely and i get y ou when you say that is part of the sport but what he did was leave his position fod a tackle if thd player passed the ball the defenders are pretty mch one man down bringing the pressure is one thing but running in on your own is another your entire team is pressure but you running in on your own is much much different not to mention he came in from an angle meaning he left the man he should be marking for another you run in a line defend the player in front of you or have uou team shift down the runner could have stopped the incident stopping his hand but because it was only one man rushing up to him instead of the team providing pressure he went for a palm but ckuld not completely extend his arm
he led with the correct shoulder, his arch was just below chest level, he stuck the elbow out, idk what your looking at but i was looking at the matter at hand.
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Cannot fend off with a raised elbow, it’s illegal. Does it twice as well. Ref got it absolutely spot on.
"Raised"? Idiot.
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Stop the video when his arm actually hit the dude's face, you can clearly see that it's almost at 90 degrees up when it connects, with a foward motion. 100% legit call by the ref, this should not be unpunished.
BULLSHIT, on review it was no case to answer and was overturned
Then look at his legs and feet when he spot the other player. He starts to lift his body so his elbow hit the head. You can clearly see he almost jumped while openning arm. When you protect yourseulf you don't explode outwards, You contract your body and prepare for impact. This is a tough call tho it's not 100% evident but when you know contact sports, you know how to behave in half a second...
@@tonyfranklin8306 no they said sending off sufficient, different to no case to answer
Who'd have thought Jon Wells didn't think it was a red. If it were other way round & a wigan player did it he'd be going mad, get him off campbell I caynt speyk. Be wanting him fined, banned & jailed if it were a wigan player. Proper clown that mon.
He lifted the elbow 2 times to opponents face in the same action. So it could have been 2 red cards.
JasonEaton second one was more hand but yea firat one was obvious. Doesnt matter how high the elbow is if you hit someone with it.
Who'd have thought Jon Wells didn't think it was a red. If it were other way round & a wigan player did it he'd be going mad, get him off campbell I caynt speyk. Be wanting him fined, banned & jailed if it were a wigan player. Proper clown that mon.
commentators trying to justify raised elbow smh
How can anyone say that's harsh any rugby player trying to protect themselves either step or drop their shoulder you never raise your elbow to protect yourself
the lights were on, but nobody was home.....that is definitely the look of a guy who just had his jaws jacked..
I was gonna say something but I can’t really cause I know nothing about rugby
That's a great quality once again. Thanks for the vid
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His arm was way too far from his body, i don't understand why people question this. You can also see he raise it forward insted of bringing it closer to him. That was an offensive gesture not defensive. Refrees specialy in rugby can't let these unpunished.
I guess we know who might be auditioning for the new batman film then
100% a red. Guy knew exactly what he was doing.
clear sending off. and he tries to elbow the guy after as well lol
watch again, watts doesn't raise his arm until after MM runs into him, he was also cleared by the disciplinary.
Wasn’t cleared at disciplinary, ruled sending off was sufficient.
Can't lead with an elbow and for obvious reasons, off you go dingo
His elbow was down by his side, not to mention the height difference, awful decision.
It was unfortunate, but that was instinct. You look at that vision in real speed & you can tell that's a natural reflex for someone with another person coming at them with speed.
Wrong wigan fans talking shit again poor tackle technique again
He literally knocked himself out, hes shit
Yh he can
Commentator: Your a Ex Ref what do you think based on the evidence
Ex Ref: No choice but to send him off.
Correct
He deserves the red
The difference between the codes is evident right there!
Obvious sending off in Union,,and the backchat to ref would not happen.
Don’t know much about league but if they are allowed to lead with the elbow,,that’s nasty and unsportsmanlike!
sherman4970 yeah totally, like when Hartley and Slimani traded cheap shot forearms to each others faces and only got yellow carded....
There are plenty of union videos showing just as bad fouls and backchatting and a few involve Hartley
The referees in rugby wouldn't normally take that from the hull players but he's spineless and too keen on explaining his decision, in the wc final against england the referee told an england player to walk away very firmly and he did no questions asked.
deluded comment, no back chatting in union, you're having a fucking laugh!
Plot-twist; the forearm hits the right side of the defenders face, but it’s the left side which has the big cut…?
When he's walking off, that IS the right side of his face. Dont think you understand how left and right works, hope you dont drive!
Any situation where the doctors decide to drag out a receiver of such a move should be an easy red card. Rugby can not become a sport where defenseless (those caught strung out unable to move away from attacks) players end up becoming fair game to be removed for replacements without penalty issued against players who are such dangerous regarding their conduct on the pitch.
Should show this at Live speed
At 1.20 Stuart Cumings says Watts tackle is legal. At 3.20 he says its a sending off. Refs arent even consistent in the stands.
Even in slow motion you can see him swing his elbow into his face, then starts screaming "NO WAY" when he gets sent off 😂. How the disciplinary overturned this was beyond me. If that was a Wigan player, he would've got at least 4 game ban
Of course you can't raise the elbow into a tackler's head. And if you're not convinced it's dangerous, just look at the results on this play. Easy call.
except he didn't raise his elbow dumbo and the disciplinary cleared him, shows how much you know sonshine, the grand sum of fuck-all!
ynotnilknarf39 “sonshine” 😂you can see that watts clearly lifts his elbow up to 90° while McIlorum is running towards him Micky couldn’t have stopped mid tracks and let him run past could he you goon! Pause it at 2:11 you can clearly see he takes in the ball passes it to the other hand and raises his elbow while Micky is running in. Then has the audacity to lift his elbow up again. Clueless. specsavers sponsor the refs and they’re giving out free eye tests.
Look at the moment before impact, Watts was actually found no case to answer at the RFL disciplinary so you're wrong and I'm right.
ynotnilknarf39 ynotnilknarf39 you sound like a 7 year old child “you’re wrong, I’m right” however he lifts his elbow up multiple times which is very much evident. And never mind specsavers, need get a concussion test more than Micky Mac did, your obviously a bit confused
ynotnilknarf39 horrendous language and you obviously sound like an ignorant person who can’t see both sides of an argument or take into consideration the opposing points or that you maybe wrong. Believe it or not you can be wrong, I recommend using what little brain cells you have left to think this through :)
mcilorum is a grub, he knew what he was doing, he knew the risks, and he got twatted! good enough for him
Geez rugby league is really lacking in class compared to union. No respect for ref.
Yeah well there would be respect for the ref if they were actually decent
Union is shit I play both and league is a much better game
i find league way too boring, 4 hit ups and a kick
Whereas Union is 4 scrums and a kick
Dan scrums? It’s a ruck, at least educate yourself lol, after playing both sports I prefer union, uncontested scrums, no fighting for the ball, fairy sport league is, real men play union period.
In my book, if you cause someone to KO, you get a red. You can see McIlorum out cold, loss of consciousness means you lose your place on the field.
So if he runs head first into his shoulder, does that mean the ball carrier gets sent off? 😂
This is the RFL right, Rugby League in England. What Stadium they are using? I notice watching the EPL that some stadioums in the North of England show fainted Rugby League marks.
You sound silly here also. Maybe learn to talk before trying to say something. It's easy to do.
I'm trying to argue with stupid here aren't I 😆😆😆
1:15 I thought this was accidently play when live that night me dad wasn't happy with this
You can't say as a spectator cheat sorry guys. I know rugby league like rugby is a physical game. But there is some limit. Anything with head contact should be a red card
During this time Neymar still rolling down😂
Correct decision
It's supposed to be Rugby not figure skating, if you want to tackle a man above the waist and your
head hits an elbow then it your own fault.
Game is hard enough without the elbow ref bang on with red card
To elbow raised easy red card!!! WIGAN WARRIORS TILL I DIE
Clear red
Don't rush up like that
Is he supposed to run with is arm behind his back? No way a red and thats from a kr fan
As much as I dislike mike on the field that was a definite red 😂😂
Not a red card that fella was running into him like a headless chicken he ran into the elbow and knocked himself out
Epple Bradley as if that isn't what a tackle is anyway when your man hasn't picked up speed
Epple Bradley he had the ball could have shoulder charge or fended but he put his elbow out which is against the rules no matter what
Yeah ok ok by the rules the elbow hit the guys head so red card! However I would argue in this instance that was a result of the tackler being a headless chicken and not selecting a shoulder to tackle with also he was too high. The guy with the ball was unsure of which way to brace for the tackle he tried to turn one way catching the headless chicken-man in the face with his elbow. it wasn't deliberate i guess is my point he didn't mean to knock the guy clean out. It was a technically very poor tackle!
how do u know the guy was unsure?
how was it a poor tackle?
he led with the correct shoulder, his arch was just below chest level, idk about you, but i think you need to actually know how to play footy, i mean you sound like a 12 year old, just stick to ur maths and english.
Well i say its a poor tackle: A. because he didn't actually tackle the man and B. because he knocked himself fucking cold out. I dunno what planet you live on you mate, but most people would agree that knocking yourself out and not tackling the man with the ball constitutes as a poor tackle.
Not sure how it works in rugby league but this guys a number 9 and he looked fucking tiny, so whys he rushing up against a guy twice his size trying to land the big shot? In union the number 9 is generally the smallest guy on the pitch and doesn't generally rush up to put in a big tackle in this way.
If you realise he was elbowed on the right side and the blood is on the left so it was clearly the face to the ground what made him bleed
I didnt even know there where red cards in american football
That was more of a brace as a normal reaction coming into contact..... NOT as the title says ' leading with an elbow.
Very complicated issue but definitely not intentional. Tackler was partly to blame.... not tackling low enough
The commentators are also part of the problem!
Rugby looks like a support group for meatheads.
That commentator is pathetic
Awsome game love it
Who'd have thought Jon Wells didn't think it was a red. If it were other way round & a wigan player did it he'd be going mad, get him off campbell I caynt speyk. Be wanting him fined, banned & jailed if it were a wigan player. Proper clown that mon.
that was a bad tackle in any code he's come in high against a bigger player.he had a run up and hit him in the elbow.if he'd hit the hip he'd have put him down.
They should take into account who the foul was committed against, this is normal play from current and historical Wigan 9's. I'd have given Liam man of the match for this!
That wasn’t an elbow, he tried to go with the shoulder.
He didn't even raise his elbow. The donut ran into him.
what a dumb tackle from MICKY MAC. upright and head the wrong side. Still, probs a send-off for the raised elbow.
It's a natural action to lift your elbow.
Never ever a red in a million years
The tackler had very poor technique- he ran in with little regard just going for the hit, go low, take legs, socket to pocket, drive up.
Then the player getting tackled offload easily and the next guy makes an extra couple of yards
wait what?? i thought this game is about hiting the oponent
It was a weak red card. I guess it's just that they only see it how it is in the moment.
Rugby league used to be known for where players learnt to tackle......
was hat der Schiedsrichter am rücken? lol
This was nothing. Not even a penalty……
that is pithetic refing go to the tmo for god sake youve got it for a reasson
Nice to see Micky knocked out and on the ground
arent you a sorry excuse for spunk
It was his own fault
how is someone making an illegal play against him his fault?
planethamster because you idiot he went too high and he changed his carrying hand
so if he went too low it would be ok to deliberately kick him in the head?
One of the worst decision you'll probably see in sport itself
Joe Neadley you're right. Rugby is often tough contact, and the player just acted instinctively...
But ist not really the worst decision. The red card of damian de allende against the all blacks was ever worse than this
No, Nick. Both of you are wrong. Tough contact is enabled, but you have to use your brains before brawn. That is why Watts was sent off, because he didn't think clearly to fend off McIlorum with a hand off. Instead he used the elbow. YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
nah, just check rugby union refs penalizing the Springboks, now that's a joke.
Joe Neadley nah putting Wayne Barnes as a world Cup ref is
thebbxpanda And yet he's quite respected by his peers. I'm not a top level international ref, but do dare to add "including me" to that.
He didn't hit him hard enough
Red card all day long.
Good old mcilorum getting dropped🤣,could watch that allday, there's one of super league dirtiest players by far,jwhat goes around comes around.ust to top that off big wattsy is a good pal of mine🤣🤣👊
2:04
Joker.
He literally ran into the elbow
commentators should just try to be honest , two fouls in two tackles. not rocket science ....... two fouls no excuses, , fact..... the referee should also be punished for his lack of responsibility, cowardice and incompetence.
Were you born silly or did you get elbowed in the head?
Other way around wigan player would have gotten away with it
You saying Wigan are favored by the officials?
@@francisori9311 This was 2 years ago. Go find something better to do
Ref needed some game time ! :(
Ah, those gentlemanly rugby players. Oh wait 😂
His nosed looked ehh
Never a sending off.
Rubbish!! Red card all day, specially after his team mates congratulated him on maiming him, dirty fucker is watts
Poor tackle. Bullshit red card
Well he tried to shoulder the ball carrier. ..and got knockout
Just bumped him off, I don’t see a problem there?
That Elbow did not look intentional. That guy ran right into it with his face.
Seen worse aka Newton, Skerrett, Cassidy and McDermott became experts at it! Oh let me guess all Wigan players!
its not a card when no one on the downed man team reacts.
Fucking guy ran his head into the elbow.
sicne when the hell was that illegal????? thats literally part of the sport. of you cant tackle the guy without eating an elbow then youre not making a good tackle. ive never heard of this rule in my whole life.
Never in a million!
Biggest bullshit call ever
geez those commentators are useless....not a send off the elbow was not raised that much.....short player runs himself into the elbow, poor tackling technique.
Never a red card. All you saying saying it is clueless never played the game
what a load of bollox....never a red
That should just be a sin bin
Guy runs into elbow and the other guy gets carded?
Ty bot
he sticks the elbow out, it's not like he was running with his elbow out the whole time
@Your Name
Exactly
Terrible call. His elbow was in a natural position.
Keith Wetherhold pause it at 2:11 his elbow is up at 90° it’s pretty obvious McIlorum couldn’t have stopped then could he? he also purposely swapped the hand he was holding the ball in to stick his elbow out.
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The dude ran in straight like an idiot leaving his line and opening a gap if the runner had more time his arm wouldve extended therefore calling it a palm not an elbow silly decision from ref yes the elbow did hit but it wasnt delibrate also if a man runs into to go for a tackle he shouldnt have his head in that position its dangerous and could probably kill you if he tackled correctly his head would be at the runners backside or back but because this idiot decided to ditch his team and go in for a hit his technique was incorrect and he injured himself his body and head should be in a line his head shoukdnt have been at such an awkward angle
CHICKEN NUGGET no matter what red card you can stop the elbow from happening
thebbxpanda he was going for a palm but the tackler rushed at him therefore not givkng him enough ti me to extend
CHICKEN NUGGET that's how you play rugby though you should always put pressure on the other team it's only red cause he actually could have stopped the elbow from happening
thebbxpanda you put pressure on the other player but his form of tackling and position was what caused his injury the other player is trying to palm him off but due to how fast he rushed he had no time to bring up his hand completely and i get y ou when you say that is part of the sport but what he did was leave his position fod a tackle if thd player passed the ball the defenders are pretty mch one man down bringing the pressure is one thing but running in on your own is another your entire team is pressure but you running in on your own is much much different not to mention he came in from an angle meaning he left the man he should be marking for another you run in a line defend the player in front of you or have uou team shift down the runner could have stopped the incident stopping his hand but because it was only one man rushing up to him instead of the team providing pressure he went for a palm but ckuld not completely extend his arm
he led with the correct shoulder, his arch was just below chest level, he stuck the elbow out, idk what your looking at but i was looking at the matter at hand.