The Fancy Answer to the EVO/STI: 2008 VW R32
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- čas přidán 11. 11. 2018
- If a Honda Civic and an EVO had a baby, and sent it to boarding school, this is it: The 2008 Volkswagen R32 was a performance variant of the popular GTI. It has a 3.2 liter VR6 engine making 250HP at 6300RPM (10 more than the Mk 4 R32), with torque remaining at 236 ft-lbs. With the paddle-shifted DSG gearbox it would hit 60MPH in 6.2s, putting the power through a Haldex front-wheel-biased AWD system. The R32 always trailed the Subaru STI and Mistubishi VO in terms of speed and agility, but in felt like a higher-quality car, and it was more, uh, mature looking than its wing-wearing competitors. Kyle brought this clean example wearing one of the best blues ever created, Deep Blue Metallic.
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I said the R32 weighs 4,000LBS. It does not. With the DSG it weighs 3,720lbs (src: R&T). Apologies. ZK
Mine weighed in at 3704 with 3/4 tank and me in it (200 lb driver) when it was last corner balanced. I wonder how R&T measured their test vehicle?
Still too heavy
whathefuck?that little car weighs that much??
My 84 Cutlass weighs less than that with a 350ci engine.
It weighs 3547 pounds, has 250 hp and 236 torque. Geez!
Wow! Matt is killing it on his diet!
nachonad
Yeah but all that Rogaine is f*****g up his brain
Literally one of the best sounding cars out there
"I just want to say that the way you're driving it right now is way harder than I've ever pushed it"
Sure..... lol, good luck with the sale.
andryxa1 P so much car potential current owner has missed. And Zack is not even driving it hard.. just quick.
Thought the same thing
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Lol, if that’s a true statement by the owner... what has he been doing with it?!
the owner annoyed me a lot, one of the worst owners ever in one Take
I miss the R32 with that six-pot
DSG is much better. Here in europe we have both.
One of the best-sounding cars ever, in my opinion. Or well, every VR6-engined car sounds amazing. Definitely catches my attention from the "other" cars when I hear a VR6.
I own one since 4 years and really want to keep it , the engine sound is so magical , it's confortable and never had a problem since I have it .
I'm the proud owner of an Audi TT with the 3.2 and he is right, the exhaust note is glorious. I don't care if it's not the fastest or if it's a "hairdressers" car, it's a fkn blast to drive in and around town.
Only people who take advice from Jeremy Clarkson think it's a hairdresser's car. I have had a TT and a mk2 TTS. They are immensely fun.
Thanks for the one take of the R32. Drove one when new and the Launch Control is pretty fun with the DSG. My friend had a new GLI at the time the AWD definitely helped with the take off on these. Love the sound.
Put a good set of summer tires, a good streetable coilover setup, updated sway bars, better brakes and that 258 hp will be perfect for canyon carving.
Heath Brown this model whips around corners. I’ve owned a lot of vehicles and a lot more expensive than this one but the handling is very balanced.
The R32 and Audi TT 3.2 are technical the same cars. The TT MK2 is from aluminium and 300 LBS lighter. Audi and VW always setup there cars with understeer for Safety. But you can change that.
250 HP
there is a reason why it doesn´t feel like 4000 pounds. i´m pretty shure it has to to do with the cars real weight: 1590 kg = 3505 lbs
Exactly my thought. By no means is the Mk5 R32 a light car, but it's not RS4 heavy either.
Damnit. Where the hell did I get that figure. ZK
@@TheSmokingTire No one is blaming you, man. You test drive tons of cars, it's normal to get stats messed up. I enjoyed the video! Cheers.
Follow up: The manual car weighs 3500, the DSG car weighs 3700.
3500 is still wayyyyy toooo heavy for a hot hatch.
Hey Zac electronic power steering s have a mechanical connection to the front wheels
If they weren't connected that would be steer by wire
Yes, electric power steering means an electric motor giving assistance instead of hydraulic power steering.
What I don't understand is why the electric power steering gives worse feeling than the hydraulic/mechanical pump power steering systems. A pump is a pump right?
Yeah this car has EPAS. Electric Power Assisted Steering.
@@jomaha9227 Electric power steering simulates the amount of effort for the steering via load sensors this results is a very "muted" feel of the road surface. The programing software of the steering helps, but unless you're driving a 911, the road feel just isn't as good. But it's lighter than hydraulic systems and because there's no parasitic drag on the engine, you also get slightly better fuel economy.
@@jomaha9227 It depends on a lot of things. First is the type of mechanism they use. Good EPS systems have the assist motor attached to the rack (like Porsche). Some system have the assist box in the middle of the steering shaft, usually for packaging, which adds moving parts and reduces feel.
Then there's the amount of boost the steering gets. Some cars over-assist to make the car easier to steer.
It's not easy to tune an assist system to amplify the driver's input enough to move the wheels without overdoing it.
My wifes had one for almost ten years now. Still loves it. Its going up in value now (uk) so we will hang on to it.
Have you still got it?
If the windshield washer light is on, and the reservoir is full, its the sensor. If you're using the RainX orange, it can cause some residue or building up on the sensor causing the fault. I usually use white vinegar, 50/50 with the washer fluid to clean it up, and get the light to go away.
mjachowski Thanks for the tips! This was shot back in August, it just needed more fluid to deactivate the light. All good!
@@KyleRosedpawesome, the easiest fix is always the best
Glad someone said this, I had a 2008 Audi A6 with the exact same issue. Apparently it's common with these cars. There actually was a class action suit against RainX because of it, a lot of cars (not just VW/Audi) use that sensor and RainX said on the bottle it would be compatible with all brands, even though the high silicone content of the washer fluid would gum up the sensor.
as an owner of 2 Golf V's and looking for the 3rd (a GTI Edition 30), I love to see that car being driven.
Always been into trucks, but my 2012 vw jetta tdi, I just did a full delete kit with a straightpipe and a Malone tune. I love it haha
The '337 GTI' was one of the best GTI's for sure! Beautiful lines and good performance!
I've always loved those R32's Thanks for sharing!
Here in europe we have DSG in the MK4 but also manual in the MK5.
Believe me, for both versions the DSG is always the most wanted....
Before I even watch this... I know this is going to sound AMAZING
Its between the vr6 and the Audi 2.7t for me. Both amazing sounding engines.
I own one and it’s incredible.. I’m so obsessed with her.. she’s also blue and perfect 🚙💨
Courtney Strong send bob and vagene
😂
Loved my mk5 r32, mine was candy white though. Still great but theres definitely some design flaws they needed to work on.
Have one myself and honestly it’s just a great car. Maintenance can be spendy but it’s a nice daily.
Opinions is opinions everyone has one, personally love the sound of this v6, vr6 5 cylinders although I’m diehard jdm
I haven’t watched a one take in a while. The last one I watched was Matt announcing One takes were going away. So I guess this guy has taken over and they are back.
i have one now, candy white 08'. ecu flashed, dsg flashed & haldex computer flashed + h&r coilovers ran 14.2@97 1/4mi, beat a mk7 gti. flashing the haldex computer is one of the best things you can do on this to get best traction off the line & cornering at serious speeds. schrick 268/264 cams helps in the top end, but the turbo kits are mad expensive for 10yr old thing now, so naw. Audi RS3/TTRS with 2.5t 5cyl tfsi = 400stockhp! would be sweet if could afford.
Please move the incar camera back. I can't see what you're driving towards in left turns
What’s the reliability like with these? I’m looking at one with 190,000kms
WOOKIE golf
Been waiting for this for so long
Yeah u obviously haven't heard an Alfa Romeo V6 Busso engine...but r32 is certainly up there in the top 3 nonetheless.
Thats when you can get the alfa to run.
@@d262145rmacp as someone who had owned several Alfas I can tell you one thing: many things can go wrong but engine always works if maintained properly.
@@majbabovic5364 That's what all alfa owners try to tell themselves
with a milltek these things are better. like the alfa, but there's no car that's sounds like a vr6.
Not into Alfas or italian cars but the Busso 147 GTA ... Sweet Lord. The sound, design and engine bay. Amazing!
I’m excited for the contour svt!!
Do I have to put my foot in the brake before I turn it on?
The guy was like, dam'n should have never let this guy have a go in my car!
This guy had no clue what one takes are about, it's obvious that went only and only to get some adv to sell his car.
Just bought a mk4 R32 a few weeks ago actually never letting go of it
The mk4 R32 is the best looking golf of all time imo
Awesome! I'm soon to buy mine. Black magic pearl with 52k miles! :)
Still have it?
Looking at these cars right now but the gti version. Got decent trade in value on my current daily and was surprised how reasonable this generation is. It would be quite an upgrade for sure.
As a 24 year old with an sti Zach's comment on the wing hits home
“How your driving the car is harder than I’ve ever driven in” then “you never owned your car”
Zach come to wookies in the woods! you will love it! i even have a room for ya in a cabin if you really want to come! VW pays for BBQ for 400 R/R32 owners, beer swaps by the camp fires, night runs on the tail of the dragon and cruises on some of the most beautiful roads in the country!
That sounds amazing
Can't wait until I'm able to schedule my one take.
Miss my old DBP MKV R32.
Perfect for road trips, great exhaust, but had electrical issues after only 50k miles.
And definitelyyy felt the heavy nose.
Which electrical issues did you have?
@@elazotacunaos4752 kid you not. had a friend fly down when i was in aruba and on our way to the beach he stated he was surprised that it didn't have any electrical issues. At that moment my sun roof wouldn't close. After that, the car started lighting up like a christmas tree. pressure sensors, head light malfunctions, passenger door windows became janky. sold it down there and never looked back.
damn Z...so many info errors about this car. The steering is electronically assisted. There is a traditional rack and pinion attached directly to the wheel. You can't feel what the tires are doing because the owner has some below average tires on it and his bushings are probably shot to shit. Looking at those stock engine mounts, i can only assume the bushings for the suspension are stock too. This is a tuner car just like anything else, mods need to be performed to bring some life out of it. Also the ESP on this car is a joke. I never drove with it on as it is horribly intrusive with braking and aggressive on-throttle inputs through corners. This car needs 255 squared at the very least to feel good through the corners, those stock 225 tires are a joke. I'm probably the only R32 owner in Socal that would thrash it as hard as anyone else on AC. Hopefully it'll be back out thrashing again soon.
Is it me or do all VW brakes feel numb at first and feeling progressively gets better with more pressure?
There's one of these in my neighborhood that's been taking up a parking spot for a while now. I'm 99% sure it's an R32 MK5.
I love mine! Can’t wait to put a super charger on it. They’re bulletproof if you take care of them.
I just bought one, it's good to be back to a VR6, started with a Jetta 24v VR6 😃
I have a EU Passat B6 Wagon VR6, În looking at getting a W8 Passat.
Probably the best car I’ve owned and I’ve had a lot of cars. Drove it from DC to ft Leonard wood Missouri in a single day. Brilliant driving car. Especially in snow.
2nd Gen DSG . Late in mk4 life cycle saw some come with DSG.
These things on a twisty mountain road with alot of small tunnel passes.Fun.These cars are not rockets but thier deff quick.Same speed as a DE 350z or e46 m3 I bet
The best sound out there . I owned one for 1 year .
Has this car been modified/upgraded other than the exhaust and the rear rotors?
Hey! It has euro-spec smoked taillights and I replaced the shift boot after the original's paint started flaking. Shoot me an email if you're interested: kylerose (at) me.com
Fantastic engine, wish my MK7 R still used this engine but turbocharged. Always wanted one of these things
@@Gandalf721 I wasn't even aware of the weight distribution, I guess that's only apparent once you go all out with the car which never happens in day to day driving
the mk4 r32 was originally designed to have a turbo on, its why the internals can handle 500ftlb. but the budget would’ve driven the price so much higher. £30k was a lot for a golf back then, people would happily pay 35/40 for one now though
Found one witb 137k on it for 10k. Should i run?!
Just hit 150k in my own. Great car a little underpowered but I've enjoyed it for the past 6 years
i just rediscovered these i want one soo bad omg
Thanks for your time Zack!
I’m selling mine too! Cammed and everything else NA. It’s been a fun ride but on to something else
What kinda power does it make now??? Have you dynoed the car, I'm curious what is left on the table NA with these. What other mods besides cams???
I agree with you Sir, THIS IS THE BEST SOUNDING ENGINE EVEEEEEEER! 😍
That noise 🙌
I like that this guy is honest about steering and brake feel. New bmw's are a joke, he's right. Everyone is afraid to dump on the rampant PlayStation steering. Where did we loose the plot? Steering feel is 50% of what makes a car sporty in my mind. Vr6 is one special engine, and the stealthy everyday aspect of this is amazing. It's a shame vw can't remember they built stuff like the scirocco mk1 and mk2 and bring the fun back.
I feel you bro. It's all about emissions, MPG, and comfort anymore. Manuals are nearly extinct, V8s are almost gone , even V6s are becoming rare. That's why I'm buying older cars with bigger engines while they're still around. I can drive electrics when I'm old.
Where is the link to buy now ?
www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=487127359&zip=90041&makeCode1=Volkswagen&modelCode1=R32
I must say I was a bit disappointed when I first drove this. Maybe it's the hype surrounding it, but I thought it'd be faster and better round the corners. The nose-heaviness and the dim-witted Haldex system almost ruined it for me, but the engine... The engine is really, really good!
this seems funny to me. you know germans hype the R32 just because it sounds good and it's one of the few decent hatchbacks made here. cars in germany are expensive, petrol is expensive and many people in our country have plenty prejudices against imports. and we drink a lot of beer. so never take anything a german sais about a car as true. people are out here investing 20k€ into their fiat multipla....
I agree. Drove the car a few years back and while it’s fun to hear the engine note, it was slow and pretty much only suited for daily driving. Mk6 gti dsg is a way better car with much more room for improvement. The market for this car is just for vw enthusiast, but performance oriented buyers should stay away
Same thoughts exactly. Handled well up to 6/10th. Beyond that it was clumsy and unsorted. Mine died on me 3 times with less than 9,000 miles. The third time was on the w'burg bridge during rush hour and almost got me killed. Blessing in disguise, the lemon was totalled and I got to move on!
That seems to be the general feedback for the mk5 R32, shame because it looks and sounds fantastic I think. The gen 3 haldex and updated DSG in the MK7 Golf R is a heaps more sophisticated system and you lose the front heavy characteristics and it certainly doesn't lack speed! If you get the chance to drive one, I think you'll be happily surprised by comparison to the R32!
Maybe you should Drive the MK4 R32. A bit lighter on its feet.
makes me miss my 04 R32
Picked up a silver one last year with 78k on it. Finally! :)
How much did it run you for?
If you're buying one of these now, and you're not coming from a Corolla, it will not feel fast. This is really for hardcore VW fans only (like myself). Gas mileage is bad, handling is OK (especially on stock width tires), reliability is ok at best. It's all about the sound and the look, if you're into those.
Vw's are just all around great!
Kyle Baum Minus electronics.
My check engine light just turned on and I started burning oil just reading this
They really are but one has to make or be conscious that carbon build up is something one has to prevent over time and miles also the water pump would need replacing and overall maintains, but people don’t pay attention to that and believe that complications just come from lack of quality. 🤷🏿♂️
Auus Worrior the 24 V VR6 does not have that issue with carbon build nor with the water pumps. That issue is/ was a known issue with first and second Gen GTI 2.0 engines.
Maveric073 I have 3rd generation Gli, I heard that they had improved these issues, but personally I don’t want to get confident.
I always found the brakes in the mkv a little lacking. The mkiv wernt brilliant either, the Audi s3 8p however I never once used the full braking power.
Zack: "...Subarus have reliability problems..." Me: makes a fresh bag of popcorn. :D
Relative to some other recently released vehicles, the STI's wing seems sedate and conservative in design. In the more muted colors, the STI's wing is less in your face.
Thanks to the owner for bringing out this fun hatch -- love the blue. Yep, PA state inspections are a thing. If you drive over 5k miles / year, there is an emissions test. Additionally, tires, brakes and lighting (typical safety stuff) are checked. With the state of roads in PA (condition and age), it is a good thing that all [legally] driven cars are given an annual review. We can't afford to have junkers driving around and breaking down on two lane roads or antiquated four lane highways.
IMO this is the benchmark for me as far as hatch backs. The 04 my fave by far. Even though the awd is biased the rear ass lifts equating to the steer influence all melding with the awd etc. makes it an "animal" to drive vs the video game torque vectoring etc tech and rev matching etc. To get a r32 to go fast is where the fun comes into play. Only real heads know
I'm gonna chicken-head yo' comment, pot-nah! Ya feel, me?
@@frankhassle9366 w.e u say spook bot
@@anhiirr the sexual tension between us is palpable! Do you feel that warm tingling sensation?
Couldn't get a screwdriver back there to tighten the paddles? Well did you try turning the steering wheel??
Just pop the airbag off and pull the buttons off the front of the wheel and the screws for both paddles are right there. Takes 3 minutes at most.
4000 lbs what are you smoking Zach lmao. I think they're like 3500 at the heaviest I have one in the same spec. Otherwise you're right its under steer nationals but I love it. I've got high flow cats, DSG and ECU tune, and a blocked off cold air and it sounds good enough.
Seriously bro, 500 off and you have to correct it, that’s petty as hell. 😂🤣😂 he was estimating not saying facts plus who cares. 🤦🏿♂️
@@conquerirlemonde8432 I hope you're being sarcastic...
500 is a lot and nobody includes people in the car when talking kerb/running weights.
DSG cars weighs 3700, but I was still wrong.
@@TheSmokingTire Fair play, I wasn't aware the DSG was that heavy. Sorry if I came off as an ass.
Nice car..exhaust note is nice but I dig the first gen R32 more..and its a manual...great review and nice ride though.
Hey Zack, are you still taking applications for new one takes?
@thesmokingtire
It’s not the first vw with DSG. The first VW with DSG Was the European MK4 R32 witch never made it here to the states. So that being said, the very first DSG equipped VW group car that came to the states was the MK1 Audi TT 3.2 DSG. This MK5 R32 is the second generation Haldex system.
Yup, I've a 03 mk4 with DSG.
The Mk1 TT 3.2s here in the US had the same DSG as the euro Mk4 R32s I believe.
Blaylock1988
Yes you’re correct it was.
Christopher Palmer
The MK1 Audi TT 3.2 VR6 was the very first HERE in the United States with DSG
Vidar G ahh. You’re from across the Pond! With the MK4 R32 with DSG. Wish we had that option back in the day.
Where’s Matt Farah?
What about the V6 in the F-Type
The '04 has the 1st gen DSG just it wasn't an option in NA. This one has the 2nd Gen DSG.
I really hope to own one one day. Or the generation prior.
Daryl rabara-brokate now is the time to buy a mkiv I sold mine for £6000 now it’s selling for £11000
Only one you really want is the MK4
Actually, the mk4 r32 had the first DSG #themoreyouknow
FYI. Never came to the states
in europe yes in the states no
Really not the point. Whether it came to the Us or not, the mkV doesnt have the First gen DSG.
Hard to believe they are that heavy. My '89 928 weights 3550 and it is a V8. Still would love to have one though.
MK4 R32 actually had the first DSG transmission but is very rare !
in europe yes in the states no
you should try and find an a3 3.2 dsg and compare it
The Mk4 r32 with the DSG would be incredible!!
Christopher I’m pretty sure you could get a factory Mk4 with the DSG
Mk4 R32 dsg was overseas only, never came to the US and it’s very rare
Where is Matt?
Where are you driving?
I used to have one I bought new till I had to sell it after losing my job. I loved that car. Yes, there are faster cars, better handling but unless you can plop down a couple hundred grand and be ok with that as a daily driver there was no reason for me to look past the R32. Fun to drive on short or long distances. Big boot for getting daily life tasks done.... just a great car.
Oh and so much fun in the snow. One year I was passing stuck suvs after an unexpected snow storm hit the area.
Can you get 30mpg at 120km/h and steady on the foot?
Yes 34mpg at 100kmh
He said this is basically an Audi. It's the other way around, the Audi A3 is actually a Golf.
4000lbs sounds way too much for that, I think it's more like 3500lbs, at least the European version. Great sounding car, would love to try one.
Berry Chris I thought the same, I'm sure they're around 3600.
Well with full fluids all around and 2 guys in it, it’s probably closer to 4K do
The running weight of an r32 is 3700
Where is the link to the Ad?
Justin Richardson www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=487127359&zip=90041&makeCode1=Volkswagen&modelCode1=R32
Late to the game, but what happened with mat?
What’s a Mitsubishi VO?
Ben Troxell lol.Forgot the E for sure
Shit I miss that car...one of my favorite transmissions of all time.
I might get some hate as this is a VW video, but I’m looking for a car and after seen that it got mentioned a lot in the video, I’m in the possibility of purchasing a nice gray WRX STI hatchback, but the idea of the boxer puts me down, and I think they can’t handle too much power because the ringlands break, on my little research on forums I found they fail at around 340 crank?? I like fast cars but I don’t know about the subbie, can someone please help???
If you mod it don't be cheap, get a good dyno tune. Check oil often. Lots of stock motor EJ's with more than 300whp.
Going wide open throttle under 3500 rpm causes ringland failure a lot of subbie owners don’t know that so buying secondhand is a gamble I learned the hard way but I loved my WRX it was so fun when it was working correctly. If you’re not a good mechanic or don’t have money aside for repair funds it’s not a good choice
Exhaustdd thanks for answering that! More good info
jlopez1017d I’m a good mechanic, but having two heads on opposite sides confuses me lol 😂 even easy maintenance like changing spark plugs seems hard, I’m ser between an STI or a 135i with the N54 which also has its share of problems
SL9SH I was thinking about purchasing an STI and ended up buying a 335i with the N55 engine it’s still certified pre owned so I don’t have to worry about repairs for a while. I am not a good mechanic, the 135i seems like a good alternative though if you can find one with a manual
q is this or a fiesta st?
Ben Sutherland This, the st will lose more value over time and this is a much rarer car guys car.
Where is the Hoonigan podcast with Scotto?
I want a golf 4 R32
I want a VTEC + LS swapped golf from the factory
I had one, mint conditions, bought it with 26k miles, sold it with 28k. It's much more a sense of occasion than this MK5 and much rarer too, engine sound is great and the shape is just gorgeous. BUT, I had some issue with the Haldex ECU that are not available anymore from VW so you either source one used or you get one reconditioned by VW at a staggering cost. If you don't drive fairly regularly fuel pumps tends to go and even if the engine is quite bullet proof it may have some quirks sooner or later. Overall a good car but maintenance costs, if something fail, can be a little scary or just not as straight forward as you may think.
There is a little old lady who has driven one of these in my town since new. Same color and everything. It is basically brand new. She must only drive like 10 miles a week I swear. Ive asked several times if she would sell it to no avail :(
The hgp r36 twin turbo golf r is nice too