It's definitely a toss up between the WSP and the Superi. I feel like the handling on the WSP is better, but the speed on the Superi is zooming. Thanks for the breakdown Tony!
My superi is set up for hipfire only all the attachments that help that , if you pair that with stalker and resolute perks you are literally dancing circles round people you move so fast in a close gun fight . Stalker gives you mad straffe speed but resolute give you movement speed buff when you get shot , a get at least 4/5 more kills per game
I didn’t realize the open bolt time was so long on the WSP 9, I’m so happy, definitely going to start using it again.. the only fly in the ointment is the insane and addicting Superi movement speed…
Tony two things, a couple really nice off meta guns that I’ve been using for a while that shine in the mid range, WSP9 with its conversion kit and the KV Broadside with its conversion kit too (they finally fixed the muzzles, which was the last thing needed to make it good) They ithi have smaller bags but they shred in the mid range, I think they both down in like 5 shots and they actually have very similar stats I think. Broadside helps a little longer range it feels like whereas the WSP9 is better for a little bit closer
reduction in fire rate drops gun out of "meta" tier with loss to TTK. It is a good amp. Laser beam for sure but ttk matters. Base horus is better as SMG
@@iamGLOP ttk isn't everything if you are missing some shots. The conversion kit might make some people hit more shots making it kill faster than the regular version. The cor 45 conversion kit has had the fastest ttk by a lot and more range than any smg and nobody uses it because it's too hard.
@@diegoferreiro7432 what range is smg range on average? The change to miss is not the same. That gun is mid range with that aftermarket. TTK is everything up close
16:20 i tested the stalker perk for the superi its different for every gun slightly but superi in particular its +10% ads movement speed ( you move faster strafing left and right when ads) than strafing left to right normaly
Call me crazy but I feel like msp 98 hands top has better tac stance range than the xten tx12. I feel like it hits better in the firing range, could be an in game thing 🤷🏻♂️
I hope you see this and can take a look but you used the faster strafe underbarrel over the DR-6...but a weird thing with the DR-6 is it has significantly less ADS "weapon bob"...I believe Icemanisac did a video and touched on this. Hope this gets seen.
hi tony, one of the barrels on the Horus replicates the recoil bonus from your muzzle. I believe it is the long range barrel. Moreover, you can equip the 60 round now on the horus
Only thing I change is running the no stock instead of an optic, but I bought the fossil blueprint for clear iron sights. 😅 Definitely a great build though.
Shucks..I wanted to see how the Horus conversion stacked up against the others. So much fun to use and I don’t feel like I’m at a disadvantage when up against other close range options
@@BlackJesus8463 huh? Who tf are u and where tf u come from?? U his mommy tryin 2 defend him? If you're a 4 k/d player I'm your daddy. Oh wait, u might be right....
Great video as always man. I just wanted to mention a build that also shreds that you may have overlooked: WSP Stinger S-37C DL Breaching Device HISS Short Light Barrel Verdant Hook Box Laser 32 Round Mag Akimbo Rear Grip Granted, it can only be used as hip fire but it has a faster TTK than the other guns mentioned (for chest shots though), and it has great movement stats too.
Love your page Tony, you,re a blessing to us all! Can you please look into incendiary rounds in a video in the future? My friend and I figured out while testing some builds that certain guns do more damage per tick with their burn than others (subverter does more per tick than mtz762), it would be great if you could find an accurate number for at least a few guns, it could be big news if it turns out that TTK on some guns could be 100ms faster because of the burn damage in those long range fights that take more than 1.5sec because of inaccurate shots
Not sure if you will see this comment but i truly feel like since warzone 2 certain guns even if its clear meta dont have good hit reg & lesser guns have better results for me personally.. my question is Is there any truth to different hit reg results based on internet connection
try it without the mag and no stock, it’s actually manageable and it’s insane how fast you are. Reloads a lot faster so the 10 less rounds doesn’t hurt you .
The superi u will get out gunned easily I lost to the MCw rarely the Horus more than I like wsp I got shredded I figured they didn’t need it like they said they did
Tony was the Shroud bugged when it was first put on TGD with the kit, I ran it when it dropped and the TTK was not 600, or did the buff it? Great video!!
My mcw is almost the same except i use the nydar site instead of the laser cause i hate the irons on it, and i use the jack cutthroat instead of the dr6 for its ads movement speed. So i can somewhat keep up with the superai
Maybe build some guns for mouse… some tac stance builds would be great. Considering tac stance is the only way a key and mouse player should use their short range weapons to help deal with the bullshit aim assist
I think the mcw is best for most people. The handling is worse but if you aren't a movement demon the extra range is much more worth it. I'm glad everyone just copies streamers so the mcw hasn't got nerfed
Shame the Shroud is so bad , the conversion kit brought hope. It was a PAIN to unlock when it was originally released only seamed viable in MP. I've been running your S3.5 MCW with good luck on wz small map. Thanks for the new info!
Going to try this tac stance build as a mkb player because goddamn, I'm feeling totally outmatched by the 100% accuracy of controller in close range fights. I can see the forgiveness of tac stance still not being enough, though
Change to controller best decision ever in 2 months I surpassed my top kd I had with kbm and broke my personal record multiple times. f From 20 kill twice IN 5 years to 22 25 26 and 35 in a month...
You’re not beating aim assist at medium or close range engagements without cover using a mouse consistently. You can’t out aim AI software Aimbot except very occasionally. sadly this game gives controller players legal cheats.
Odd to not even mention the Reclaimer, 2 tap shotty in close range is always going to be meta. WSP-9 RPM becomes extremely punishing if you miss even 1-shot. ADS time regardless of weapon becomes far less important than sprint-to-fire within 10m as you need to hipfire or jitter aim to stay on target anyway.
Striker with a combination ttk real for a close range fight (so with the 50% upper body 10%head 5%neck, 20%lower body and the remaining for arms and legs, for me it's accurate) it's the weapon, with the superi 46, that counting also the accuracy of the weapon in mid range gunfight, is the best of all, how it is possible that isn't at least mentioned?
Someone needs to do a study in the loot ground blue wasp-9 it's way abnormal. I literally try to build it the same or using meta builds but no come close to that loot ground wsp9... also we need the Scar to return
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You are the GOAT for being on top of these videos so quickly after the update, AND providing actual data to back it up.
Wsp9 gang from the beginning
best weapon and so fun to use
Too slow of a fire rate it’s not consistent in my opinion
wsp9 never disappoints
Try a tac stance build for it. For some reason the WSP is amazing in tac stance
@@rafathchowdury1968 hipfire
It's definitely a toss up between the WSP and the Superi. I feel like the handling on the WSP is better, but the speed on the Superi is zooming. Thanks for the breakdown Tony!
My superi is set up for hipfire only all the attachments that help that , if you pair that with stalker and resolute perks you are literally dancing circles round people you move so fast in a close gun fight . Stalker gives you mad straffe speed but resolute give you movement speed buff when you get shot , a get at least 4/5 more kills per game
the gods have blessed us tony. 2 vids in 2 days
Ol' Tony Two Vids
Been waiting for your posts, yours are the best!
I've been rocking the horus all season, and it's been great! The depth that you go to for these videos is absolutely insane.
I didn’t realize the open bolt time was so long on the WSP 9, I’m so happy, definitely going to start using it again.. the only fly in the ointment is the insane and addicting Superi movement speed…
Haave to use the Superi movement build.
That Superi tacstance build is great, much better than my lachman shroud tacstance version!
It's great for mkb
Try the fjx horus tacstance now that it has 60 rounds if u got conversion kit unlocked. Best tacstance gun imo.
Get those algo comments rolling viewers! You're the best Tony
I’m still using the Striker and it’s still feeling really good
Tony two things, a couple really nice off meta guns that I’ve been using for a while that shine in the mid range,
WSP9 with its conversion kit and the KV Broadside with its conversion kit too (they finally fixed the muzzles, which was the last thing needed to make it good)
They ithi have smaller bags but they shred in the mid range, I think they both down in like 5 shots and they actually have very similar stats I think. Broadside helps a little longer range it feels like whereas the WSP9 is better for a little bit closer
That broadside conversion kit is 1 of my 5 goto loadouts in MP, never used in warzone
@@Fungi_2_kno its really fun to use in warzone
I’ve been using the wsp stingers and having a blast. They to me are still super OP
I expected to see them mentioned not these slow MCW conversions.
You can put 60 round mag on the Horus if you have unlocked the AMP. And the AMP in itself is strong as hell for better range
It’s such a noob friendly conversion kit it’s insane.
@@MumboJumboZXC that's certainly an opinion
reduction in fire rate drops gun out of "meta" tier with loss to TTK. It is a good amp. Laser beam for sure but ttk matters. Base horus is better as SMG
@@iamGLOP ttk isn't everything if you are missing some shots. The conversion kit might make some people hit more shots making it kill faster than the regular version. The cor 45 conversion kit has had the fastest ttk by a lot and more range than any smg and nobody uses it because it's too hard.
@@diegoferreiro7432 what range is smg range on average? The change to miss is not the same. That gun is mid range with that aftermarket. TTK is everything up close
Glad your back Big Tony! We missed you bro...
Love the integrated suppressor for the WSP9 build. I've been doing it with the Superi personally as well! Give it a try!
Disagree that open bolt delay shouldn’t fully be included. Anytime you are dying in an smg fight that delay matters just as much as ads delay
But the sprint to fire makes up for it. Not that deep.
Whats crazy is ive been following the guy since 2020. Time has flew.
16:20 i tested the stalker perk for the superi its different for every gun slightly but superi in particular its +10% ads movement speed ( you move faster strafing left and right when ads) than strafing left to right normaly
not worth
Was typing a question about tac stance and right when I hit send I heard you say “tac stance”. 😂 You’re awesome! Thank you!
"most of these(guns) dont(compare)"
He says it almost immediately. Good man.
*run the superi46*
@@phillythekidtattoos The movement is undeniable.
Thank you for including M&K tac stance builds!
The damage profile on the Horus the whole body is the same is insane
Yes that shit ass
Horus is the way to go inside 10m a good distance for the recoil.
Superi w/ stalker more than makes up for the 30ms when you're breaking their aim assist constantly. Lot of fun
There are like 12 different Xten grips for the superi which one are you using for the tac stance. Nosuch this as the "XTEN grip".
Im using the XRK Edge BW 4 Handstop (i forget the exact name)
Does insane general movement speed
I am in love with the shroud
Call me crazy but I feel like msp 98 hands top has better tac stance range than the xten tx12. I feel like it hits better in the firing range, could be an in game thing 🤷🏻♂️
I hope you see this and can take a look but you used the faster strafe underbarrel over the DR-6...but a weird thing with the DR-6 is it has significantly less ADS "weapon bob"...I believe Icemanisac did a video and touched on this. Hope this gets seen.
Tac stance never kills as fast as ads, try it
Tremendous content Tony. Your community appreciates you and loves you.
To me, the Horus is the best SMG. Love the AMP as well for a sniper support. But that's just my 2 cents on the matter.
hi tony, one of the barrels on the Horus replicates the recoil bonus from your muzzle. I believe it is the long range barrel. Moreover, you can equip the 60 round now on the horus
Can you test the rival 9 conversion kit since they buffed the fire rate in season 4 I don’t think it’s updated on TGD
Its worse ttk than no kit, by a lot.
@@BlackJesus8463 are you going off what tgd says now ? Lol
Bp50 conversion and wsp9 is my fav
For the wsp9
Zehmn compensator
Hiss barrel
Xrk for the under barrel
Mag 40/50
Optic of your choice
This the one
Only thing I change is running the no stock instead of an optic, but I bought the fossil blueprint for clear iron sights. 😅 Definitely a great build though.
Shucks..I wanted to see how the Horus conversion stacked up against the others. So much fun to use and I don’t feel like I’m at a disadvantage when up against other close range options
That is false go into multi shoot them legs and a gun shot u die
Does it move 8.2m/s and have better damage range than every AR?
Please do sniper support video!
Amazing work. Can we have a sniper support meta video please ???
Its all Superi bruh.
Sup MNK gang, just dropped an 18-kill win with the tac stance superi build.
Thoughts on tacstance wsp-9 build?
Thank you for all the builds. I can’t wait to try them out.
Do you or do you plan to have shotguns on your comparison tool?
Surprised to not see Stingers featured. They are considered OP in brazil/south america where they dominate the meta together with Superi
They are not good they broken that’s a bot gun
@@divin3-_-shotzz621 Bot gun? lol, they are used by some of the best players in the world in competitive matches bro
@@divin3-_-shotzz621ur a bot player
@@Fungi_2_kno 4kd bot gonna get mad.
@@BlackJesus8463 huh? Who tf are u and where tf u come from?? U his mommy tryin 2 defend him? If you're a 4 k/d player I'm your daddy. Oh wait, u might be right....
What about the Striker? Chart wise seems to be much better than wsp9. same damage but longer range
Not until Superi gets nerfed into the ground.
Great video as always man. I just wanted to mention a build that also shreds that you may have overlooked:
WSP Stinger
S-37C DL Breaching Device
HISS Short Light Barrel
Verdant Hook Box Laser
32 Round Mag
Akimbo Rear Grip
Granted, it can only be used as hip fire but it has a faster TTK than the other guns mentioned (for chest shots though), and it has great movement stats too.
Wheres the beloved hollowpoint?
Love your page Tony, you,re a blessing to us all! Can you please look into incendiary rounds in a video in the future? My friend and I figured out while testing some builds that certain guns do more damage per tick with their burn than others (subverter does more per tick than mtz762), it would be great if you could find an accurate number for at least a few guns, it could be big news if it turns out that TTK on some guns could be 100ms faster because of the burn damage in those long range fights that take more than 1.5sec because of inaccurate shots
wsp stinger is dominating brasilian lobbyes
What about the conversion kit on the FJ Horus?
nope. drop it.
you should be using the jak glassless optic on the Fjx. Usually sucks for smgs but on this one it enhances the weapon by a lot
The mp9 Horus is the best ttk idk why but dat kit is so annoying up close i be getting shoot in my legs and dying
Not sure if you will see this comment but i truly feel like since warzone 2 certain guns even if its clear meta dont have good hit reg & lesser guns have better results for me personally.. my question is
Is there any truth to different hit reg results based on internet connection
Trust Tonies meta video more than anyone elses
try it without the mag and no stock, it’s actually manageable and it’s insane how fast you are. Reloads a lot faster so the 10 less rounds doesn’t hurt you .
Another banger from true golf data
The superi u will get out gunned easily I lost to the MCw rarely the Horus more than I like wsp I got shredded I figured they didn’t need it like they said they did
Its loses legshots as much as it wins headshots but the movement speed is why its meta.
We are so back
kar n superi FTW
Superi nd the micro holotherm I've never got more hackusations
Off topic not on some weird stuff but you look like you lost some weight g and you look good bro in the most straight way possible 👍🏾
How can people watch a TGD video and NOT BE SUBSCRIBED?!?!?!?
pls look into superi hit reg issue. sometimes bullets go through the target, evident in gun range too
Metaphor 's tac stance Superi is so 🔥
Is there any viable mw2 guns? When it comes to smg , ar and lmg???
M16 full auto
Metaphors tac stance spas build is so good
Love your work, TGD!
The Horus tac stance is under rated
What's your build? I couldn't get it to feel good compared to the Superi.
I been replacing my dr6 for the xrk alot
I still like running the MCW conversion kit
Yeah well you're not running fast. Probably just got chased down by a Superi.
@@BlackJesus8463 na I shot him in the face with my better TTK gun
thanks for all the hard work bro love the vid as always
thanks tony
Tony was the Shroud bugged when it was first put on TGD with the kit, I ran it when it dropped and the TTK was not 600, or did the buff it? Great video!!
My mcw is almost the same except i use the nydar site instead of the laser cause i hate the irons on it, and i use the jack cutthroat instead of the dr6 for its ads movement speed. So i can somewhat keep up with the superai
@truegamedata Why not the Scratch-L suppressor since it only adds +1ms ADS but improves firing aim stability?
Doesn’t show the wsp akimbo stingers or the new shotgun
Maybe build some guns for mouse… some tac stance builds would be great. Considering tac stance is the only way a key and mouse player should use their short range weapons to help deal with the bullshit aim assist
Thank you!
250k subs incoming 👍🏻
What’s your thoughts on the FJX Conversion Kit? Think it’s viable or stand a chance in the meta?
I think the mcw is best for most people. The handling is worse but if you aren't a movement demon the extra range is much more worth it. I'm glad everyone just copies streamers so the mcw hasn't got nerfed
Shame the Shroud is so bad , the conversion kit brought hope. It was a PAIN to unlock when it was originally released only seamed viable in MP. I've been running your S3.5 MCW with good luck on wz small map. Thanks for the new info!
Pain to unlock? If I remember correctly it was 25 suppressed kills. 1/2 of a mp game. Whatchu talkin bout Willis?
@@Fungi_2_kno that was for the JAK conversion kit I'm talking about unlocking the shroud a few(?) season ago
@@ChrisSmith-bt1cv u didnt play mw2??
@@Fungi_2_kno oh shit, you're right, I guess it's been longer than I thought! 🤦
Going to try this tac stance build as a mkb player because goddamn, I'm feeling totally outmatched by the 100% accuracy of controller in close range fights. I can see the forgiveness of tac stance still not being enough, though
Change to controller best decision ever in 2 months I surpassed my top kd I had with kbm and broke my personal record multiple times. f
From 20 kill twice IN 5 years to 22 25 26 and 35 in a month...
Kbm is on average 5-10% more accurate, he had all the data on his last video
At long range on a static target and no AA. Controller shits on M&K close range, which is a majority of the fights.
You’re not beating aim assist at medium or close range engagements without cover using a mouse consistently. You can’t out aim AI software Aimbot except very occasionally. sadly this game gives controller players legal cheats.
i play mnk & i out gun roller players all day and night at any range lol aim assist is broken yes but it still can be beaten
Nice video bro, may I ask if the close range meta guns in PC/Console is also the same on Mobile?
Yeah, I play WZM despite the graphics is worst
Cor45 should be on here along with the stingers j/s
Please do one for snipers
What about the conversion kit of bp50
1. Superi 46
2. Superi 46
3. Superi 46
4. Superi 46
5. FJX Horus
Horus is great with an AR but Superi is good on its own and sniper support.
Can’t build this FJX without the conversion kit - barrel and handstop is locked without that bruv
Odd to not even mention the Reclaimer, 2 tap shotty in close range is always going to be meta. WSP-9 RPM becomes extremely punishing if you miss even 1-shot. ADS time regardless of weapon becomes far less important than sprint-to-fire within 10m as you need to hipfire or jitter aim to stay on target anyway.
Striker with a combination ttk real for a close range fight (so with the 50% upper body 10%head 5%neck, 20%lower body and the remaining for arms and legs, for me it's accurate) it's the weapon, with the superi 46, that counting also the accuracy of the weapon in mid range gunfight, is the best of all, how it is possible that isn't at least mentioned?
I 100% agree this is absolutely one of the best smgs.
So I haven't watched all the way yet but you have these built a certain way to get these you should the builds?
The bots already got to ur comment section 😭😭
Ai papi
¡Muchas gracias por el video!
The superi is my go to cuz it’s the only gun that could be in og wz1
get help
No mention of conversion kit on fjx horus?
The mp7 is still pretty solid
Right on time
Why no conversion kit o nthe Horus, only way it feels like it causes any damGe
Someone needs to do a study in the loot ground blue wasp-9 it's way abnormal. I literally try to build it the same or using meta builds but no come close to that loot ground wsp9... also we need the Scar to return
New shotgun is awesome
We need the long range meta asap
LOL he already posted this
@@BlaqF3mboy you're right seen it after aha