Knicks eliminated from NBA Playoffs & Bills QB Josh Allen the best in the NFL? | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes discuss the New York Knicks elimination from the NBA Playoffs and react to former Buffalo Bills safety Jordan Poyer claiming Josh Allen is the best quarterback in the NFL.
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Please never break up this trio
Only way it will ever break up is if one of them think they deserve to get paid more than the other. That will cause friction. Then break ups. Hopefully these men are smart enough to appreciate what they have, and just keep it going.
@@youtubeconnollyfamilyFacts
Not gerbils catching strays 😭
Okay matthew
Nick has the best analogies in the business
Nick's analogies are top tier. 😊
Not one mention of the pacers lol
The Knicks were broken. What do you want them to say? If they get by the Celtics then they’ll get some props.
Perfect. As it should be.
@@lorencappelson6475this made me laugh lol
Being eliminated in the playoffs is pretty much the superbowl for the knicks
Wow. Nick actually rocking a nice suit.
Right he gave the 50’s mobster spoof flic suit a rest.
Paying attention to another man suit is BEYOND ZESTY SMH 🤦♂️ 😂😂
@@Charles-3900 that was not funny at all lol
@@Benjamin-fc9wwI laughed 😅now go cry
@@ihit_those8 that just means yall both corny lol
It’s crazy to me Allen’s biggest accolade is a second team all pro, yet people still try to say he’s better than the reining two time league mvp, multiple first team all pro player who was in the same draft class as him.
That's the same voters that made mac Jones a pro bowler the same year they didn't vote Allen in. I hate the way some players get credit over Allen
Pat has proven to be able to win Super Bowls with great receivers, bad receivers, poor defenses, great defense. He's proven to be a rare thing - a 'cap proof' QB, where they are still winning with his contract.
Allen hasn't even been a position to win a Super Bowl, closest thing 1 AFC championship game appearance. where Pat's at every year 😂
He's better than Lamar.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 How’d you know they were Lamar fans?😅
Bruh the media is who’s voting for those things u make no sense😂if media liked Josh allen that much he would have been mvp
Tibbs.... Come on bruh... Stop running 🏃💨💨 your squad into the ground. 🤨
I think if the knicks added a bit more depth the coaching style would work better
They wouldn't be there in the first place without it
He said this is his 2K ProAm team
@@leightonrodriguez6680
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It would be if he used the depth
@@mattpassos5689
Lol yea they would if he develops the bench, he ran the team into the ground... Everyone was getting injured 😥
What a surprise they didn’t talk about the team that won the series lol
is this ur first time watching a televised sports show
They're talking about the Knicks today because the Pacers are going to be talked about for the next two weeks since they move on. It's normal
@@RPGabe they will just talk about the Celtics. lol
I'm sure they will give them 2 minutes after they lose to Celtics 4-0 or 4-1. (I wish they would go to finals, but there's no chance)
hmmm yeah, I love it.
I knew as soon as Poyer said that Nick would have something to say lol
Poyer has always been big on Josh. He loves that kid
Why is this even a topic? It's such a nothing thing to talk about. Guy who played with another guy thinks he's good. Big news.
LMAO, I actually had the exact same thought when I heard the Poyer sound clip, but I think they are reading too much in an unscripted, off the cuff remark duing a charity HR Derby in Buffalo, but it is the off season, they need something to talk about
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway He really is. Mahomes is the best QB in the league, Allen is 2nd, but the gap between the two isn't nearly as big as everyone, especially Nick, thinks it is.
The analogy between Thibs' teams & Nick running a delivery business was spot-on & HILARIOUS. Also too spot-on because as a Bulls fan, so I know all too well about his coaching decisions...
I wish I could give a more cogent analysis but this is the best sports show on tv. That is my cogent analysis. This show is clearly, easily, and immensely the BEST.
I got the reference Wildes and Brou! I GOT THE REFERENCE!!!
Yoooo why were they all dressed so fly today 😂😎
You can absolutely directly contribute the Randle injury to Thibs. Randle injured his shoulder in the 4th quarter with 4 minutes left in a game they were winning by nearly 20. Every other coach in the league would bench their starters in that spot
Lol no flowers for the Pacers, huh?
Congratulations on beating a dead horse
@@galgaloreOkay but why is everyone talking about the dead horse still?
They're too boring to talk about. So glad Inside the NBA is covering the Western Conference Finals and not this snoozefest
Ya’ll sound bitter af. 😂 Always great to see a young team make a run! Woulda been Happy for the Knicks had they won.
Nope. Who cares.
Fans are in love with this team. This is the most important thing in sports
Every season start, Josh Allen is the best qb EVAAAR!!. MVP,,Sb for sure. Sb MVP....
Week 6 but but but....he is suppose to be the best....
Who says ever?
@@mobrocketdumb bills fans 😂😂
@@mobrocket There were actually a number of analysts over the last few years with that take, While they didn't directly say he was the best ever, they heavily implied he deserves to be in the conversation. That talk has lessened recently though.
Allen is the goat 🐐 of being judged off of potential.
He has the most TDs in NFL history in a player’s first 6 seasons.
I'm the biggest JA17 and Bills fan but Nick wrong is right this time, you can't say anyone but Mahomes right now.
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway josh best accomplishment is losing to mahomes with 13 seconds left. It's mahomes and not even close. A wide gap between the 2
Like 99% of people acknowledge that Mahomes is the best right now, but Josh Allen still gets over hated…he has some of the best playoff production of all time (21 tds and 4ints). He just runs into a chiefs dynasty every year so people think he’s a playoff choker when he really isn’t….
@@donovan4222 you're preaching to the choir he is definitely hated on way too and he is not the reason they have been losing to the Chiefs. To be honest the only thing that separates him and Mahomes are the titles.
@@flarecraqz3232 that's actually kind of a ridiculous statement but I guess if you wanna be lazy and just say Mahomes won and Allen lost and that's the determining factor then fine I guess. But if you look at the last playoff win and the 13 second game did Mahomes out play Allen? If we're being objective you would say he didn't but I still put Mahomes over Allen because he does have 3 titles and he beat Allen and the Bills twice in the way there .
@@josephzaccagnino6641 I agree, some people act like it’s outrageous to put Josh ahead of Lamar or Joe Burrow but they all have their arguments. Josh has the best playoff production out of the 3 of them.
Man i love these guys, always good analysis and not packed with unnecesarry ego
5:10 - 6:06 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 literally laughing out loud
5:10 - 6:17 💯💯💯💯💯
5:10 - 6:39 right on lol
Love the show, but when a series ends should we not give some credit to the winner? Like seriously the Pacers came back down 2-0 and 3-2 to win a game 7 in the garden. But I guess that's not as impressive as the Knicks getting out of round 1.
It's not impressive when the Knicks had injuries to key players in the series
against a hospital team completely depleted??? Of course it's not impressive.
Who do the Pacers have to beat to get talked about? It's not like we're a small city. We're bigger than Denver and Oklahoma City, and Indiana is only smaller than Massachusetts by like a few hundred thousand people. Most unproven team in the playoffs and we're in the final four. I get that we faced teams with injuries, but have you noticed that those teams are ran by bad coaches? One guy gets injured, that's bad luck. Your whole team gets injured, you have no idea how to run a bench. Pacers might sneakily get into the Finals, who knows?
The pacers being ignored has been a thing since the dawn of creation lol - Roy Hibbert said it best years ago to the press "y'all don't watch us play"
Denver only started to get major attention after winning
OKC was hardly talked about
Pacers have to win the title to get the talk
They aren't a historical franchise
They haven't been a champion
They have no top 5 players
Don't worry- The Pacers will get their props... I used to say that when The Knicks never got talked about....Maybe laughed at, but you have to understand the Knicks culture has changed drastically... Hats off to the Pacers for getting to the ECF...If they beat Boston they definitely will get talked about...
@@mobrocket OKC has been talked about for the past 12 years because of Griffin and Durant. Halliburton leads in assists and we have the best offense in the league. It’s not like we lack stats.
Historically, we have Reggie Miller, who is probably a top 25 player OAT.
Denver I more understand because they’re last year’s champions, but come on. There are four teams who played this weekend and Pacers got 30 seconds of talk, while the rest of them got at least 10 minutes
Pacers is a dumb name and Indiana is barely a state. If you win the title we will talk about Bronny James that day I guarantee it
Is rather have a coach be criticized for playing the players than being a bad coach. give me Thibs anyday. Any coach who can get their players to play that hard is a great coach.
All the Josh Allen glazing is wild. The dude never made it past the afc championship game….
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway brother, Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes is Clyde Drexler vs Michael Jordan in 1993
The only area where Josh compares is that they play the same position
From a Pokémon card lover who can’t comprehend football is a team sport and parrots the same thing these media hacks do. It creates controversy and conversation and that’s all they want
Josh allen has the same resume as dak ,but dak gets all heat .but josh gets all the love .the media had there favorites
Please clarify Allen having more TD’s than Mahomes in the playoffs. Because it’s not true. So, I’m assuming you misspoke.
@@ThisGuyDrivesIt actually is if you combine all TDS not just passing which all of the media due to criticize Allen go look at the drop back rate among QBs Josh is #1 by a mile which means that entire offense every game lives and dies by Josh and this year it won't be like that I bet he has a career low interceptions year
Well the Bills certainly have the Rookie of the Year, RB Davis. I expect a fully healthy Bills team to RUN a ton this year.
These guys couldn't let Josh Allen take a compliment if it came from his own mother!!! Lmao. Nick'd be all "Patricia Allen really knows that Patrick is the best QB, anything else she says she's just being nice..." 🤣🤣🤣
Patricia knows it's Mahomes since she knows ball
He is right. Allen is the best. He has sportsmanship and is not a crybaby.
Nick is a full on magician now 🎩
As a huge Celtics fan, and I hate New York sports team I just like the city. I sort of feel bad for the Knicks. Yes, we lost Tatum in the playoffs. We lost Jaylen Brown in the playoffs before we lost smart in the playoffs before. We never lost brown and Tatum though same yr. New York lost their second best player earlier than in a crucial game seven they lost their best player. That’s tough. See you next year.
Poyer is playing on a vet minimum 1y deal in miami, its a farewell tour basically hes always been a bill
nick just said on national tv "the more you play the more of a chance of getting injured"
Wish we’d talk more about the pacers than the Knicks rn. I get the Knicks are a bigger market and are the injuries were such a huge factor of that series but let’s not take away how well Indy played. They deserve some attention
Nah that's ok. They'll get it next round if they do anything against Boston.
This wasn't their segment...
Its crazy how allen doesnt have a first team all pro lol
Nick so sharp he could rub against a barb wire fence and wouldn't get a scratch 😂
As a bulls fan who loves Thibs and grew up with him and those teams, I totally agree with Nick. I love Thibs, he’s the best coach the bulls have had post Zen Master, and he’s a top 10 coach in the league. However, he has a track record and he still hasn’t learned his lesson. It happened every yr as the coach for us and it’s happened multiple times to the Knicks now. For the future of the Knicks and Jalen Brunson I wouldn’t want Thibs to be my coach. You’ll win more games than you probably should, but by the time you’re in the playoffs the entire playoff rotation will be injured because he plays the same 5-8 guys for 40+mins from December until they exit the playoffs.
it was wrong to have LeBron in that graphic too
If you get rattled after throwing an int then you can’t be considered one of the best QBs in the league
Nick absolutely dislikes Buffalo so anything he says I disregard completely when he talks about the bills
Dislikes Buffalo because Allen is a threat to his mental safety space that mahomes is the best and it’s not even close.
Knicks success is because of how Tibbs coaches this team, not in spite of it. He might back off a bit if they had more talent
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The Bulls in Chicago? The Wolves in Minnesota?
Tom Brady could unretire and join the Raiders, and Davante Adams would still call 40 year old Rodgers the best qb in the league. It's loyalty.
wait what’s nick’s beef with gerbils?
No one on the Knicks was top 15 in MPG in the regular season so not sure I agree with the thibs narrative
As a Bills fan of course Poyer is going to say that but Josh is definitely top 5 in the league and we need a Superbowl!
Hold up, Brunson a superstar? I get star but super star?
Lemme sum it up as an anti Knicks fan...Any season is a success when they make the playoffs.!!!
MVP is basically the QB on the #1 seed.
Jordan Poyer??? 😂
Pat is the only. Duel threat, pocket passer, off platform, back yard QB the league has ever seen. Basically there is nothing he can't do in order to will the Cheifs to rings. At his worst he is a reigning SB champ.
God in football cleats
3X SB Champ, 3X SBMVP.
Dumbest take ever. Allen is just as much a duel threat and back yard qb as Mahomes. Allen has the 2nd most rushing tds by a qb ever.
@@jamesrobbins831Allen has 30% more turnovers than Mahomes and has accomplished nothing with top 5 perennial defenses.
Sorry, he's not close.
@@jamesrobbins831Rushing touchdowns😂. What a joke. Is Josh Allen a running back or quarterback? Which is it? Because you Allen meat riders love including rushing touchdowns to make him comparable to Mahomes and Burrow
Ik this is dumb but I hate the way nick pronounces Jalen lol
It’s crazy people think he’s gonna win more than 8 games
My take on Poyer's comment:
1. Maybe Poyer is trying to motivate his new QB.
2. Mahomes is the best QB, but Allen is a close 2nd. Allen had the best back to back playoff games by any QB a couple of years ago, but the Bills' number one regular season D failed miserably against KC. And Allen never got a chance to touch the ball in OT. What would have happened if Buffalo had won the coin toss? Even Nick said that he believes that the Bills would have gone on to win the Super Bowl if they had beaten the Chiefs.
Josh Allen is the baby boomers great white hope cause Burrow is better. Lamar is more accomplished and Mahomes has been Allen’s dad for his whole career
Even tho if we go off playoffs both Joe and Lamar are behind him but that doesn't matter or anything the best young QB in the league besides pat is Allen end of story literally no debate how does Josh have more rushing tds then Lamar that's Lamar claim to fame and Josh does it better burrows got an arm but guess what Josh has the strongest in the league so how tell me how can you say that there is another young QB better then him besides mahomes bring some facts next time buddy
@@issacdiff3286 Burrow has an AFC Championship.
Lamar has 2 MVPs
Arguably Josh Allen has had better teams than both of them
@@AlphatrusBensIIIburrow has had a better stable of recievers. Gabe Davis sucks and every bills fan knows that. Lamar Jackson is getting woke points as black Qb. He’s still a great Qb but he was not an MVP last season
@@lesliechow7286 you just say woke points?
Pacers take down Celtics in 7
It’s true. Give Josh Andy Reid, Tyreek & Kelce while Mahomes has defensive minded McDermott n see what happens.
tyreek,kelce,andy reid scored 10 points and lost to the tyrod taylor bills team a year before mahomes took over. Mahomes owns josh and the hapless bills, ended the bills season 3 of the last 4 years. You bills fans are gonna have 15 more years of this, there will be lots of coping in the next decade.
Jalen is not a Super, Nick please stop it, give it one more season bro
Just playing devils advocate here - swap Allen and Mahomes, giving Mahomes to the Bills and Allen to Andy Reid and the Chiefs for the past 6 years.
Who had more super bowls?
You guys got it all wrong. Poyer thinks Josh is the best QB in the league because Josh was always throwing the ball to him during practice games.
Is this actually a question rn? This show is ridiculous sometimes, poyer said that about his former qb who he had been with for multiple years at a charity event with everyone and Buffalo right there… but he’s not wrong, mahomes has always had everything around him… always.. wow one year he has average receivers and now he’s the best thing to walk this earth. At least his receivers show up when it matters in the playoffs and don’t drop balls, and his top defense is there all year when offensively they’re having a down year. Every single year 17 has to save the team and be superhero and he does that. Got them #2 seed this year and back to playoffs, where ONCE AGAIN, his team and defense (defense is excuses for many injuries this year) lets him down.
Being the best is not a fact it’s an opinion in another’s perspective
Nick says the media crowned Josh king and the best but in the same year he said that happened… Lamar Jackson was put in the pro bowl over Josh Allen in 2021 when he had 16 tds & 13 ints (Josh had 42 tds & 15 ints) facts don’t line up.
Or that a lot of these qbs are closer than others would like to admit
Brunson a superstar like harden pg13 westbrick etc
Mahomes is unquestionably the best in the league and after that is where the debate can start, I would put Allen there and a healthy Burrow, Lamar, Herbert, Hurts and CJ Stroud is good too, but he only has one season, so thats a developing story. The order is highly, highly subjective, but Mahomes however cant be anywhere but #1 for now. I would argue the point for anyone who say Allen is bad QB, because thats a bridge too far. Allen is definitely inside the top 5.
allen is nowhere near mahomes and isn’t even better than lamar. can we pls place this guy in the tier he belongs in? dak, purdy, etc. dude has accomplished NOTHING yet we just blindly hold him in this light. it’s weird af
Much better than dak and purdy too but it’s closer
bro it's a team sport, you must be confused with tennis
@criticalrush7419 Dak has higher rating, completion %, Yds, yds/att, passing tds, fewer int.
Josh has higher rushing yards, yards/rush, and more rush tds
At best, it's a coin flip. Neither have truly gone far in the playoffs, so how is Josh better? People love to hate on Dak, but numbers don't lie, Dak = better passing QB, Josh = better rushing QB
@@donkeybus well if you wanna spend your whole career blaming the team that’s cool. have fun being left out of the real QB convos😂we trashed mahomes team all year and they won the super bowl. good luck to the bills though, maybe one day they’ll get out of the conference at least
@@criticalrush7419 i agree i think he’s better than both but i think he’s closer to them than he is mahomes
How can somebody who NEVER has an "objective opinion"...say out the other side of their mouth you have to have an "objective opinion"? Lol...as for Tua, I'm not even sure Jordan Poyer has spoken with Tua, other than a "good job", after another Bills win. Tua hasn't been at any of the voluntary offseason activities. He hasn't seen Tua up close & personal on the field as a TEAMMATE. Why would he refer to him as the "best QB" over Josh, when from HIS perspective he clearly has not been.
Who on earth puts Allen ahead of Mahomes and Lamar? Right now, even Goff is better than Allen.
Lamar is getting woke points.
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I like bra’s take and its same as mine. It is Tibs squeezing all the juice from a meh lemon. That team isn’t great and they overachieved but with different coach they’d probably lose first round and have a worse regular season.
I root for josh Allen but he doesn't has the resume
I’ll say it since nobody else seems to want to say it
Shoutout to the Pacers! The least talked about team in the playoffs.
They have to get rid of Tom, he coaches toughness but he 🔥 out his players. And he is horrible in critical situations.
Brou hates giannis lowkey
Knicks players love Thibs - need more depth. More trades for strong role players.
Nick, who always supports his thesis and I like his passion for it, is just wrong about Thibs. Thibs forgot more about the game than Nick has ever been exposed to or will ever be exposed to.
How much do these guys get paid? Overworked?
Allen is the best qb in the league its not his fault he's not an wr fg kicker or play defense ppl like nick and mahomes fans can't separate the difference between an individual and a team and how they going to say he's not the best when someone who played mahomes and seen allen live who word ur taking poyer on guys on tv talking
Joe Burrow is the best quarterback in the NFL unless Tom Brady un-retires. YOU are wrong, Nick.
AB don’t even talk this crazy 💀
Haliburton > Brunson and was in this series. Greater this series in apg spg bpg RBG TPG FG% FT% 3P% Game Score, 137 ORtg vs 120, 120 DRtg vs 127, 69TS% vs 55TS%, 54/44/80 vs 46/32/77. Haliburton before Jan 8 hamstring injury over a 32 game sample + IST 🏆game was 5th in MVP odds AVERAGING 25, 13 (unprecedented to avg that many ppg with apg), 4, 2 stocks on 50/41/88. He wasn’t close to the same since including this playoffs but he still had some great games.
Nick is wrong all the though so not surprising. His Jokic takes the last 4yrs were embarrassingly bad.
Is Allen even the best in his division? Allen has a 10-2 record over Tua, but like everyone says, QBs don't directly play against each other. They play each other's defenses. The Bills defense has allowed the fewest points over the last five years which ranks them at #1. The Dolphins' defense is ranked at #20. So Tua has to play against the #1 defense while Allen gets to play against the #20 defense. So a fair comparison would be playing against the same defenses and a good sample size is the other divisional teams, the Jets and Patriots, since they play them multiple times a year every year. Allen is 14-9 against the Jets and Patriots while Tua is an undefeated 12-0.
Who made the defense gets those stats? Bills and dolphins play almost exactly the same oppenents every year and Allen is a big part of crunching the dolphins defense so it’s a bit more complicated. Mahoems and Allen are the first two players off the board in and open nfl draft.
@@lesliechow7286 What?
Tua has cant beat anyone good let alone Josh Allen
Josh Allen? 😆😆😆😆
Knicks need to keep Spike out of the Garden he's cursed
SAS I think, revoke his Garden access.
Riding with The Opps Is Only A Thing On the Internet 🛜
Pats the best qb maybe ever, Josh is very much in the running for #2 with burrow and Lamar. Forget stats, watch the games. The bills win 6 games if dak is their QB.
With Dak, I think they win the same because the team would need to adjust the offense to him
Josh does too much and it causes him to make too many crushing mistakes
5:44 god Nick is an egomaniac
Poyer is simply clout chasing. Come on. 😅
Pacers actually got lucky the knicks are depleted. That team is now doing good and lebronze actually wants to go there and take out brunson and run the ofense as if thibs wants him resting on defense🤪
Tua > Mahomes
Josh Allen isn't even a top 10 QB. Look...it is simple...he has been in the League how long? And he is making the exact same mistakes. How much simpler does it need to be? He is selfish. He refuses to listen. You can never count on him not throwing the ball into triple coverage. Sure...talent galore. But his problem is...and always will be his ego
Allen = multi year choker.
What is Tua then ?
@@brailz88 Exactly. Im using Tua hate logic. Some of us play checkers, some of us play chess.
lol ok someone has no clue what he is talking about. Must be a switfy! The guy with the 2nd most playoff wins, only behind the GOAT (Mahomes) is somehow a playoff choker? You are a joke my friend.
Allen’s playoffs losses are mainly on everybody else…his defense could not stop the Chiefs with 13 seconds left and he never touched the ball in OT…his coach called a 4th down fake punt, his #1 WR dropped a catch that landed right in the vicinity of his hands, and his kicker missed a FG wide right
Facts..pat been saved by his defense specially when it matters the most
@@nassiglutt6587 That same defenses that had tom brady dead to rights in 2018 and proceeded to get a rtp that gave them a 1st on 3rd and 15+ and a off sides that lead to the loss in OT
@@Dltonchiefs defense in 2018 was abysmal.
When you're pink you don't have to take accountability
EXCUSE 🚆.......ALL ABOARD!!!!!
Josh had pat beat, but his supporting cast did not not to mention he beat pat during the reg season
Can this show for once just say something positive about the pacers? We get it, the Knicks were injured, but the pacers still went out and looked amazing
Nick wrong again
Expound.
They have to keep a "great white hype" Allen is good but has nothing to show for it.
It’s a team sport . An open nfl draft ,, who are GMs taking. Mahomes and Allen.
Hey
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