If You Meet The Buddha On The Road, Kill Him - Ken Wilber
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- Philosopher Ken Wilber on what it means to "kill the Buddha."
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This is the beauty of Buddhism that you can say such things and no one is attacking you I think all religion of this world need same kind of broad mindedness.
Is this a beauty of Buddhism or the beauty of Buddhism
Modern day Buddhists keep on attacking Hindus and their gods every time.
I always believed that the meaning of the phrase was that there is no Buddha separate from you/your Buddha nature. Meeting Buddha on the road would imply a sense of duality and separation, which is simply an illusion, or Maya, which must be destroyed to see the truth.
Precisely! Neither this nor that nor both nor neither.
This is the correct interpretation from the Dharmic religions. To see Buddha is to see duality. Those who see a difference between themselves and the Buddha cannot be said to be enlightened as enlightenment is the realization that all is one.
Emptiness is within all. This is proven by microscopes. We are more empty than we are solid.
The Buddha was special because he changed the name of Brahman to ________ and found that attachment equals suffering.
You got it right. I couldn't listen to this guy drone on and on, but your comment sums the idea up beautifully and with a wonderful economy of words.
@@thomasellis8586 Yep!
@@artpoet9915 I'm trying to figure out how microscopes show how everything is empty. Seems to me they show the opposite...you know, look at a drop of pond water and see how alive it is. However, particle physics shows how empty reality really is.
I once heard it described brilliantly: if the nucleus of a an atom were the size of a football, and it was on the fifty-yard line, the first electron valence would be in the in zone. As you go up the periodic table, atoms have lots and lots of valences in the shell.
The universe is 99+% empty...physically speaking at least.
if you see white light, divine visions etc etc... it is ok but don't think your your path has come to an end. they are distractions when you begin to take the right direction.
Thank you, I'm new in my spiritual journey and a friend said this to me. So I had to find the meaning.
From the book - "If you meet the buddha on the road, Kill Him! | A modern pilgrimage through myth, legend zen & psychotherapy" by Sheldon kopp
Dr Kopp argues that there is no hidden meanings in life and that our lives have only the significance we give them. Thus killing the buddha on the road means destroying the nope that anything outside ourselves can be our master.
That lady's blouse color in proximity to her red hair is truly stunning. Love this video. Thank you for posting.
If you meet the Buddha at the Gas Pump -interview him/her or even better just use solar energy...
Bc we things have outlined we believe things are separate but your awareness has no boundaries only in thinking that which awareness is not
Wish you the very best on your endeavour
The Kalama Sutta, the Buddha's charter of free inquiry.
Prajna or Gnosis is knowledge beyond the lower mind and lower emotional body. For more understandibg on Nagarjuna's Madyamika system of four way logic read the The End of Suffering by Russel Targ and JJ Hurtak.
@tonmy cas Gnosis refers to knowledge beyond the third eye or the intellectual mind it refers to knowing something via experiential knowledge or the direct experience of the higher reality of pure awareness that overrides the constraints of the lower mind which is out of focus. Prajna is the Sanskrit word for pretty much the same thing it translates as higher wisdom/insight that cuts through our normal confused lethargic state. Thanks for your imput =)
"kill the buddha" because all you need is meditation which leads to a life of pure awareness, not buddhist beliefs
Buddhist beliefs which include ethics are essential for meditation to work ...
@@sheilakirwan9462 Not according to the Zen way. When you return from your head and become natural, then at first you may have some badness that needs to work its way out but as time goes on you become balanced-natural which is naturally humanitarian without any humanitarian/ethical beliefs in your head. It's hard to believe without experiencing it, But Zen buddhism is basically not at all about ethics.
Buddhism is not into beliefs.
@@alankuntz4406 generally true but with some exceptions. Americans are often presented with a watered down version of buddhism full of flowery high-minded beliefs since most of them escaped from christianity which was a belief system and still need something to believe.
@@MichaelForrestChnl I don't know about the Zen way ...I know that the Buddha said that not to consider that ethics are important is wrong view ....and am not trying to convince anyone ...just know it works for me 😍
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integral dudes really love cool music lol. even the intros over on the integral life channel are pretty tight
trip hop, there's a whole genre of it out there for ya. nowadays you have chillhop / glitchhop and other variations too
@@smatchimo645 for sure, I think this one's portishead ain't it
@@liamnewsom8583 oh it is haha. yea that's pretty definitive trip hop i didn't realize it was them though.
x leads to the attempt to define the undefinable. the one that was, the one that is and the one who will always be.
Thank you.
Ken Wilber fills in where Alan Watts left off...
^_^ ..cute
Absolutely.
I think the same. Both great
I always took this to mean, that once you find the door to enlightenment, you should burn the bridge behind you. Whether it’s Buddhism, Christianity, ect ect. Whatever discipline you used to get there/all of the ideas associated is no longer needed, and you will have to let go of it.
Not exactly no the real idea is to not get attached to a Buddha nature but to go beyond that. Once you reach enlightenment you have only reached the 9th bull the 10th bull is to come back to yourself and to enter the transcended state of knowing and not knowing.
Commenting on whether I agree w/your comment or that of someone who previously responded ('The Spiritual Scientist') aside, when it comes to your comment I think to myself how if 'journalling' was part of that ~'spiritual journey', I think to myself how much neat potential for fiction (literary or genre) there is if such writings can be 'repurposed'
..but a part of me think that in doing that you might risk becoming somehow self-obsessive since like you said "whatever discipline you used to get there/all of the ideas associated is no longer needed, and you will have to let go of it."/"you should burn the bridge behind you" ..even if looking back you think it could have made a cool basis for some fantasies stories and your now struggling w/not self-blaming or regretting the disposal of potential 'writing sources/material'.
Speaking from experience of having thrown out a significant section of personal journalling on ~'thoughts on nonsecular stuff' once, after having been exceptionally upset at a family member, once.
"I told you, that's not it." So the teacher who says this is the first to be "killed", right?
Yes
Here is what you should do: disregard people who tell you what to do. Obviously doesn't work, because Ken here is saying exactly what he is claiming you shouldn't listen to. Buddha found a better way of putting this. He said _to people who came to him seeking advice on how to be more at peace in life_ that one approach that he personally felt _might_ be useful towards this goal is to try out a few changes as an experiment as see how you feel. Where only results of the experiment would be a reason to continue it. What were these experiments? 1) try not killing, 2) try not lying, 3) try not getting inebriated, 4) try not doing perverted sex, 5) try not stealing from others. So this is not advise, it is an outline for an experiment you can try to see if you feel more at peace.
@@steak8278 Which happens to also be what Buddha suggested.
What @Roudter said. For real.
Sage wisdom in the post modern mind does not suit very well.
GREAT CHANNEL GUYS!!👌💚
Ken was correct; "....... Buddha on the ROAD..." and not the often misquoted "......Buddha on the path, kill the buddha ".
PEACE&LOVE TO Y'ALL ✊💫💖🙏
Whatever Saul saw on the Road to Damascus wasn’t Jesus.
What if Buddha fights back?
if you are fat, it turns into a sumo wrestle.
if not, he is gonna shit on you.
Use gun and if that doesn't work use more gun
I have become one with the void
What if you meet Ken on the road? 🙂
In levels dimensions there are 12 and us in the 11th dimension are unified and therefore we believe we've been unified with god and I think this goes on forever thats why their are infinite numbers if reality bc the universe doesn't really know where it came from therefore endlessly creating alternate universes realities and dimensions
The Buddha you see is not the Buddha you seek...
So this basically applies to Tibetan buddhism
The perpetuating of fear, harm and killing others we meet have little to do with Buddhism and the Buddhist path.
Rather if you have a true understanding of Buddhism you are already are literally meeting the Buddha in every face and every being that you meet.
Kill the Buddha?
Why not embrace the Buddhas we do meet with Love, Compassion and deep Gratitude instead?
Yes, there is another way…
NewCultureofPeace&Love….Now!🙏
What there is to be seen is God's creation. What there is to see is called God.
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He look like steve vai
This man has a debilitated Jupiter in his birth chart. Ahem...Jupiter is 'Guru'. Interesting perspective nonetheless. I agree. Neti, Neti, Indeed. But that is ultimately the thing, initially, a Guru is a prerequisite.
Just means dnt give it alot of mind if your gonna still go with normal laws n normal everyday life,because u shouldn't be Buddha while still doing that it won't work,so when u on everyday normal life dnt go by Buddha people wnt understand n it wnt play out right with the other street rueles. It's simple do understand.
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Thank you Ken
it is from 六祖坛经
I thought this is about the 1000 thumbs killer, who need 1 more thumbs. Then he meet Buddha on road and want to kill him. But in the end, the killer is enlighten. I forgot what the story is called. Remind me, friends.
That is the story of angulimar and buddha
Ken Wilber is an alien, look close.😍
The bald guy is making the point in a spectacularly exemplary fashion! Bravo!!!
He's going on and on about particular points of spirituality and even citing the history of religion. This is a picture-perfect example of how to stay asleep and never wake up. Remember, the Sanskrit root word of enlightenment means to be awake.
I haven't read the book, and I'm not going to, but the meaning of the statement is that everything is already perfect and to be enlightened is to KNOW it.
buddhism is attack on their limited dogmas and belif when these type of people see the wisdom they become insecure so that they become fanatics
As a Buddhist I too believe that this is a Western approach to Buddhism to introduce fear and harm into the stream of Buddhism has nothing to do with Buddhism.
I am not this, I am not that. I am everything. I am not the idea of Buddha nor am I it’s killer. All forms are One with Him created by Him in Him. All is cast aside by Him as not Himself, denying the reality of His own creation, such that all will again be seen as being only Him. He is not this, not that, and nor, strictly speaking, does he kill anything, for he is not a killer. So don’t ‘kill’ the Buddha. Buddha would not. Rather, let him be but simply deny his significance to you. It will soon become apparent: what kind of Buddha can this really be? It is seen as my hilarious dream, that without it I wouldn’t have arrived to this place- but it cannot be me, nor can it really be Buddha. At what does Buddha laugh? What in his meditation can it be, but himself?
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I m a bhudist and when you say like this to the bhuddha my heart hurts.anyway best of luck with your life
This man is special mean special needs.He is taking crazy .
I like to believe there is no enlightenment, it is just another illusion.
Rudy Colludi. The mind is the illusion, wait to have a satori (mini enlightenment experience) and then we talk.
@@tonalnahual1 I believe I can't have what I don't believe in. The closest I have ever had to any of these "enlightened" states is a happy contented feeling of being at one with nature. Also a feeling of being in the "now" which is actually eternity. But neither of these states lasted for more than a few seconds or minutes.
@@tonalnahual1 enlightenment is just the rawest form of awareness/reality bc all concepts are erased in that instant that's why people fall out of the stage bc the mind gets reprogrammed and recondition but collectively we are all trying to break free consciously or unconsciously and I think that's happening more and more often now bc the system isnt enough (the matrix) yet I feel like the more we push to liberation we start over bc once the universe achieves 11th dimensional consciousness it restarts itself and I think it has done that since the beginning the universe or god doesnt know where it came from I think god so it creates parallel universes and when the beings in that universe evolve it will restart reconditioning and unconditioning
u definitely means "bubba"
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“When you see the Buddha on the road, kill him.”
Seems to me that this phrase comes from the knowledge that there is no other Buddha but one’s own self. So if one sees “the Buddha”, it is a fake.
From here, there could be nothing appearing in consciousness which could be “other than”. So, for example, I could never be convinced that any entity (no matter how grand and marvellous it looked) which appeared before me was God. There is only one consciousness and it IS God. God cannot, therefore, appear WITHIN that one consciousness. It would simply be a Godlike image (a fake).
“The Buddha” in the above phrase is used as a proxy for God. Buddhists don’t believe in a separate creator deity so do not use the confusing and loaded term “God” to describe the singular consciousness. However the Buddha who lived most likely knew full well that he was that singular consciousness - ie God. To know experientially that one is All There Is, is to be “enlightened”.
Having said that, enlightenment is self-verifiable and self-verifiable only. So who knows whether he was enlightened at all? Only him.
this was so disrespectful!
Buddha is Jesus. 🙏❤
Most stupid title in connection with ken. Congratulations.
Its a pitty
Stupid useless wisdom, I wasted 10 minutes of my life... I could have enjoyed the view to my splendid mountains instead
Never kill the Buddha. The Buddha loves. Love the Buddha. Not kill the Buddha. 🙏❤
Anything useful from Wilber, many others do it better. He is redundant
Like who? KW's work has really helped me understand some very critical aspects of reality and my life! Looking forward to look up the people youd suggest instead of him. I don't find it redundant but reiterative, which is usefull when tackling counter intuitive / self concealing truths. Thanks my take!
@@camilospataro664 following.
Jean Gebser, John Vervaeke, Owen Barfield for a start. I am glad you have been able to find Wilber useful. I find his work and community far too Culty and Jargon filled
What are you looking for Jason maybe I’ve got it!🤓
Where does that leave me. Lol. My true anchor is Christ Jesus. He is my total truth and way and life. The mystery once hidden now revealed. Thank God for the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Kill the Buddha when you see him on the road? What kind of stupid saying is that?
Did Shiva kill Pavarti when he absorbed her into himself? No. She became part of him.
Did the salt doll die when it hit the sea water? No. It became the eternal sea.
Why would you kill Maya when you can have it become you. You choosing to kill "The Buddha" is a rejection of a part of who you are as Brahman. Is Brahman not everything, nothing, and the illusion in between? Brahman is Maya. To kill Maya is, first of all, impossible. Why? Because you created it as Brahman. It is as permanent as the Brahman. To even think one has the hubris to kill the Buddha goes to show how westernly "enlightened" Wilbur is. How can you kill that which does not live? How can you kill that which cannot be killed? The Buddha literally means The Enlightened One. Those of you who follow this man's advice will attempt to kill the enlightened one within your own soul.
If you see the Buddha on the road, give him a hug and have him show you to the end of the path. He will gladly walk with you and then leave you when He can go no further.
A man named Arjuna was walking down a path in the jungle when 3 men burst out of the bushes. The first man tied Arjuna's hands and feet and tossed him to the side. The second man looked at Arjuna and gleefully spoke about how he was going to kill him. The first man then stole all of Arjuna's possessions and turned his back as the 2nd man drew his knife. Then 3rd man said that he thought he heard the sound of horses coming through the trees. The 1st and 2nd man turn with a sneer to Arjuna and then run away. The 3rd man then unties Arjuna and give him a few of the goods the 2nd man dropped as he ran. Arjuna then asks the guy if he'd like to come with him to his house, the man nods. Once they get to Arjuna's property, the 3rd man bids his farewell. Arjuna asks if he'd like to come inside but he refused the offer on account of being a criminal and needing to go and lay low. Arjuna walked to his door and entered his abode of enlightenment, alone.
Tamas, rajas and sattva. The first man was Tamas. The second man was Rajas. And the third man was Sattva.
Wilbur wants you to engage only with your rajas guna. And if that works for you, cool cool cool. Only this is a third of the possible equation and all it does is bind one further in Maya. To think one can be killed is wrong as who one is eternal. The Buddha cannot die, You cannot die. You = The Buddha.
I have yet to disagree with a spiritual sentiment as vehemently as I do with with Kill the Buddha nonsense. Sounds more like a teenage boy trying to be cool and edgy than anything anyone should take seriously.
Last point. Jhana yoga is not for everyone. It is only for the tip of the IQ normal distribution who have cognitive facilities than can accommodate such abstract thoughts. Most people should engage with bhakti and karma yoga because one does not require a powerful intellect to achieve results in these.
/r/iamverysmart
using 2 dimensions to explain 3 dimensions... mu. "why is the sky blue?"... "mu".