Challenging Spiritual Myths: The Fallacy of Effortless Enlightenment
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🌌 Join the discussion as Dada challenges the notion of effortless enlightenment, shedding light on the importance of active spiritual practice. Discover why the philosophy of perfection without effort might be akin to a temporary painkiller.
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Content:
00:00 Introduction - why should one do Sadhana if everything is perfect?
01:27 Sadashiva teaching from 7000 years ago
3:40 Doctrine of illusion
6:38 Is spontaneous enlightment possible?
11:09 Enlightment explained with metaphore of river with ice
12:36 Enlightment explained with metaphore of ice, water and vapour
13:30 Creating friction between your mind, body and mantra
15:50 Overcoming obstacles is a spiritual nature of human beings
16:38 A healthy way how to percieve consciosness explained
19:28 Conclusion and encouragements from Dada
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You right spirituality is the best way to becom conscious
Thank u dada ji
Thank you very much!
Спасибо большое, Дада)
Thank you Dada
There are a lot of interesting aspects in your speech, especially the metaphores with particules, heat, etc... alchemic or hormesis stuff. That is true that our chemical, biological aspects (The nature of our microbiota for exemple, which will vary depending on our food and many other factors) is Inherently bound with our emotional, energetic and spiritual states and their inner movements. On a certain level, Being and Doing cannot be separated.
In the other hand, there is no magic or universal reciepe to meet our Inner/Greater Self/true nature/whatever word, (word is just a word, it cannot describe That). Having a healthy lifestyle and daily practice will help, that is obvious, but that is only a tool (and yes, also a consequence of being more aware), but it's not a goal or a destination. We should be careful not falling into any kind of dogmatism, of rational certitude. We know mostly nothing about what Enlightment is. Even if we ultimately all come from the same Source, on intermediates levels we are all differents, we are NOT the same, we have differents soul's colors, and essence. (And even the greatest Gurus have no explanations for it, and that is beautiful). We are so multidimentionnal Beings at a point we don't even imagine.
Sadhana's alchemical transformation potential is amazing , but in the same way you say there is a risk of misconception in affirming "all is perfect so we are all enlightened, we have nothing to do", which can be a lazy trick of the mind you are right, there is also a risk in affirming that Sadhana would lead to Enlightment (with enough practice and efforts) for everyone.
I just want to share in a humble way, what has worked for me lately. I feel lighter since i realized that the Human Mind but also the Nature and Universe, is full of paradoxes, which are unacceptable and intolerable for the Mind. The Mind wants to "catch", cut things mentally, to organize them, to "immobilize" concepts, to control them, so the Mind is reassured. Of course it's an illusion, the Mind will always want more, will always want to control things it doesn't understand. I feel like the only way to accept and integrate all those paradoxes, is from within the Heart center, which is a tremandous center of humility and power at the same time. Rationnal thinking is good for surviving, it also can be an amazing tool at the service of spiritual expansion but at the end, it's a tool. Often it get perverted with too much certitudes, even with good or pure intentions. It's like the difference between Beliefs, and Inner Faith. Faith can't be taugh by others, it's an inner and very, very personnal and intimate process. If i may, the words "friends" and "ennemies" you used could maybe confuse people, they are very dualistics.
That topic is so Huge and interesting, thank you so much for bringing it on the Table Dada.
My humble personnal view/experience (and i certainly don't consider myself as an Enlightened being or Something), is that "both" are True (thats why i talked about non-intellectual acceptance of paradoxes, which is for me one of the Golden Keys) : Enlightement/Self-Realization/Awakening/Whatever Word, if such "thing" exists, has roots both in the phenomenal and causal Word as you say (Shakti, energy, etc...), and both in the Timeless and Spaceless dimensions also, if that means something, but this side will remain hidden to us until our physical self dies, we can only "feel" from this infinite ocean from the Heart. Practicing Hours and hours of joyful and dedicated Sadhana is extraordinary powerfull, but just a gaze of extraordinary Beings, like Ramana Maharshi or others (Silent teaching), can also reach our Inner Self forever in just one seconde.
My next meditation will be powerful! Thank you for inspiration Dāda!
Respected Swami ji, Pranam. Your discourse is very rational and realistic. I has helped to clear my mind. Yes, Sadhana is very essential.
Perfect speech Dada. Thank you.
Thanks so much Dāda ❤ I needed this clarification so much today!!! Namaskaram 😌🙏✨
Your explanation resonates with heart n head. Thanks ❤
Always true.....Love your stuff kick on love it 👍 ❤
I love this message. I love this path. I love you Dada 🙏🤍🌹
yes, I agree - people that says everything will be ok or you are just fine, or whatever too optimistic, never did anything hard in their lives or walked spiritual path seriously .. but you know, yoga nowdays in the west, is making money .. like therapy or dog walker .. Good video, thank you
Wisdom and ignorance dance in all beings.~ Rhyme Das
In my experience it seams we all oscillate in and out of infinite consciousness. I think Dada is referring to those whose reside there full time ❤
Namaskar🙏
Meditation Steps team, you people are doing really great job, like m out of words to express how thankful i am..not even me..but this itself is great deed.
M sorry if my words are not polite enough😅, m not very good at using good words..
Had one request, can you make a series on Panchadash Shiila, like you did on 16 points and yama niyama. Only this part is remaining because after Yama Niyam, 16 Points..Panchadash Shiila is remaining, there is very little explanation about it outside. It will be huge huge help if you made a series on this.🙏
Thank you my friend this was very helpful I come from the Bakti system that says it’s all perfect but when you talk about how the different view points can have different perspectives on this if it we’re all perfect I would be home already so to say I have Sadina to practice
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What is a fallacy is that effort can achieve what is already our own true beautiful nature
I think everything is an Illusion but from a stand point of being Awakened but till then we accept it as reality
Can anyone know the link to Bhajan played at the last of the video? It's soo good
Well i think its a lot of different ways to look at the statement " everything is perfect ". What does it even mean? I usullay say " everything is in perfect balance " and what I mean by that is that every action has a reaction from universe. If you do something positive you will get it back in a way and vice versa with negative action. But we also can learn a lot from negative actions so in that way were being guided. I dont think its good to see people as enemies, we can learn a lot from all people we meet. But we will mayby not learn so much if we think people are our enemies nor will our mind expand beyond the people that think almost exactly as us.
Just my opinion and everyone can have their own :) 🙏
Beautiful video Dada! Lazer beam bhakti mind sounds like a good goal!
I have a question - What is the place of aggression in spirituality - It seems like some spiritual communities encourage the suppression of aggression to their detriment - this energy could be used to shake up staticity but when, where and how is it suitable to use this energy? - the non smiling kind of energy?
Namaskar
I always think in terms of God and the Devil. The Devil will always pervert everything that he has been given, give a Devil spirituality and he will pervert it also. So saying "we are already Enlightened" are words of a Devil.
God is ewverything and if so he has created the devil. If god wants he can remove the devil. so the devil is mayby there for a reason ( i think ) 🙏😊
@@jorgenedvardsen9724 If there is something God doesn't approve of, it wouldn't exist. Everything already has the Divine 'stamp of approval.' There is no thought or action that God is unaware of. God allows all things. Humans come along and decide what's "good" or "bad" on a personal and societal level.
There is positive and negative energy and that is what people use to explain God and the Devil. It is just another interpretation in another way to explain it. It’s the same concepts…❤❤❤
All that must be done is to shift from ego centered thinking, to God centered thinking. When you're mind is always fixated on the Divine, this is meditation in it's truest form. There's no need to close your eyes and shut out the world around you, the whole world IS God. At least, this has been my own experience. Standard meditation does have it's own separate benefits, though; it affects the body and mind in measurable ways.
When should get "awaken"? Is it something that can happen anytime? Namaskar
really there is a mapping between physical and conscious, you can argue from either side of it. If you start with everything is consciousness, you have to explain what is the physical, and also what is mathematics. If you start from the everything is physical reality then you have to explain what is consciousness.
Yea, to merely think all is perfect from the intellect is insufficient. That’s just the ego adding another concept to itself.
To transcend to non-conceptual states where potentially one directly knows the perfection would be authentic, but takes practice.
Oh, don't you worry, I will write and it is going to be so much fun.
Spiritual practices are internal showers ❤
Eternal Life is a free gift in Christ Jesus. It is a fallen fleshly thing to believe one can work for eternal life, or enlightenment, or whatever you call it. It's the natural fleshly thing to believe working hard is superior to believe and surrender to the God and doing no works. Your life is a gift. The universe is a gift (it is not God), and thus, even eternal life is a gift. You would be damned to even try to repay back God for the gift, least you become indebted to God, and He has provided fully and sufficiently through his eternal plan of redemption, where we give Him 100% credit for eternal life and salvation. It can't be 99.999999% Only a naive person would attempt to repay back God to then bump himself below the 100% threshold. This is a lesson meant to teach us on the nature of God and eternity with Him on Earth when He returns. Become children of light!
If the universe isn't God that would mean he's separate from it. I.E., not omnipresent. You immediately limit the power of God by saying he's separate from the physical universe. So we now know "your" god is only omniscient and omnipotent, but not omnipresent. But how could he possibly be either omniscient or omnipotent without omnipresence? I'm actually genuinely curious how you'll explain this.
Some people use the term "Universe" in place of God, worshipping it instead of the creator, this is a nono. The bible says we live and operate within God. He literally is sustaining every atom in the universe, as He did when He incarnated on Earth. Unlike all other religions, we have prophecy, hundreds of them that prove the Word of God. THAT is how we know it's the Word of God, for only God can see the end of all things.@@jonathansutton1447
1. avoid all philosophies. there is no such thing as Patanjali philosophy, no such thing as Yoga philosophy, no such thing as Buddha philosophy. Philosophy is a construct of the mind. real teachers, real Gurus want you to go beyond the mind. study them - yes, go through them - yes, but don't get stuck with them, leave them behind. then you can say you are on a spiritual path.
2. clearly you don't understand what Shankara was saying and what Advayta Vedanta is saying. It is not saying that Universe does not exist, it is saying that the way we perceiving it is an illusion.
3. it never ever happened - this claim is false. it happened many many times. in fact - all awakenings are spontaneous happenings. you have no say in it. Zen tradition, even with its vigorous regime is full of such happenings.
4. sat means the truth, not eternal. satchittananda are 3 qualities of a pure consciousness. but there is a 4th. Buddha never gave it a name. he called it the 4th. if you do not realize the 4th, even satchittananda is just an illusion.
5. Sadhana is the boat you need to leave behind ones you cross the river. I am a big propagator of Sadhana. My book starts with "Let me take you on a journey". But deep down I know there is no journey. there is no distance to cross. what you seek is what you are already and what you have always been. So the path is a necessary lie/illusion. there is no better example of this, then Guathama Sidhartha. His Sadhana was extreme and brought him nowhere except near self-distruction. only when he relaxed, surrendered, he became a Buddha. Could he do it without his Sadhana? with his mindset probably not. is it possible? yes. but rare.
6. all effort is building stronger and stronger ego. no exceptions. nothing wrong with that. going beyond means going through. But true spirituality starts when you are not. let me give a definition of meditation. Meditation is when you are not and there is still full awareness.
you might be concentrating sitting in your asana, or you might be dancing or running, it makes no difference. once the doer disappears, there is a mediation as a natural way of being. anybody who say "I meditate" is a lair. Meditation can happen only when there is no "I".
7. don't give me or your students metaphors. give them stories. In your analogy, Sadhana is the slow a steady change of a temperature, that cracks the eis. it is a slow heat that changes the piece of eis into a gass. and yes, it is the safest path. but not the only path. Zen master can bring an axe and hammer to it and in one blow make your river flow and ever make you realize there was no river, only the ocean. and there are plenty of historical evidences of that, so, please, don't bring that crap up again, that there is only one way and that is the way of effort. even way of Sadhana has its own perils.
8. do not say what enlightenment is. because you do not know. you assume and assume makes ass of u and me. always.
9. fire is needed. energy is needed. but the friction is not the only source of fire. at the beginning - yes, more friction more fire, further on, less friction - more fire.
10. if we are victorious, if we overcome obstacles, we are empowered, not happy. It feels good though. Ego is stronger, our arrogance is usually stronger. victories makes you a confident fool. defeats make you humble and wise.
11. oh, I'm your friend, for I teach Sadhana only. But I am your enemy also, because I know, that Sadhana can bring you just as far. there comes the point where there is nothing more to do. then you need to just relax and to surrender. that is in my view the threshold of spirituality. Sadhanas and all the effort is just the preparations.
12. you wanted a comment, so there you have it. hahahaha.