Snooker Biggest Controversies
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- Snooker Controversy fails about John Higgins, Alex Higgins, Stephen Lee, Quinten Hann, Andy Hicks, Mark Selby, Mark Allen, Peter Ebdon, Ronnie O’Sullivan, Cao Yupeng, Steve Davis, Allan Robidoux and Yaun Sijun. Break From Life takes about the most controversial situations ever to arise in Snooker from silly fouls to match fixing. We go through the lot with shocking fines, bans and the occasional fight.
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1:53 the referees face when he realises the cue ball is stuck to the rest is priceless 😂😂😂
1:54
Yeah that was brilliant 😂
I saw that 😅
Concession was clearly before any foul
@@Rizwaan122 Yes, but the referee most likely didn't know that at this point.
(1:54) When the referee saw the ball, it was at this moment that he knew.
He messed up
Just about to say the same thing😆.
Me too😂
And to be honest, I think any reasonable person would agree that it wouldn't have made any difference.
You deserve every one of these views dude. Thanks for putting together a top notch production. SUPER!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I agree with you on no 10. Higgins shook hands, end of story.
Yeah.i agreed..that time..Higgins 56 point and Yuan 57 he potted the pink..63 point..in reality..he potted the black ball but he fouled it..that black ball has to be respot..point 63-63.and there will be a thrilling match tho!
@@manjago1070 Calm down :)
The only thing I later thought of that goes slightly against that. Is when Ronnie refused the 147 shook hands then potted the black. But I think everyone wanted him to get a 147 and didn’t care
Yes, no problem with the black hitting the rest in those circumstances. Yuan was unable to move the rest out of the way because John was shaking his hand! It would have been unfair to penalise him for this and clearly John was satisfied that the game was over.
My understanding is that only the player at the table can concede. It could be a rule change was introduced to speed up the game (147 excepted). The ref called no foul, Yuan won. The shaking of hands was not the end of the game although it was a distraction, the ref calling the end was the end.
Nr. 10: Love how the ref freezes when he sees the cue ball
Yep, definitely looks at the table thinking “hmmmmm...that’s interesting...”
I'm suprised he picked up on it, i certainly wouldn't have
Darwin, Australia. First time watching your videos, this one's a quality one mate. Keep up the good work.
I would love to see your take on what different pros do with their grip hand through the shot. I'm a massive David Gilbert fan and love his cue action as most people do. Use him and others as a case study on how to relax your grip through the shot. Its amazing to watch the mechanics of what Gilbert actually does.
Actually that is a little bit to do with the next video
Just as a matter of interest, did David Gilbert ever win anything of note in world terms? You'd maybe be as well mentioning David Leadbetter who never quite made it at Golf but at least then went on to become a world renowned coach.
@@Breakfromlife hi
Cao Yupeng is currently serving a BAN for match fixing, maybe Mark Allen should get his £10,000 fine for calling him a cheat refunded...
I didn't know that, and yes mark allen defiantly should get a reimbursement as he was telling the truth
Nah, Hearn hates Allen.
No. It’s not up to Mark Allen to call him a cheat. If he has strong evidence, then present it in a dignified manner through proper channels.
No. He publicly called him a cheat about a completely separate incident. That's not how it's done. Good that Yupeng is banned, but that doesn't mean you can mouth off about everything he's ever done with impunity. Mark should have kept his head.
Thats very interesting, I had no idea and I agree with you
This is an excellent video, great commentary, jokes and very well put together!!! Thanks for upload, I will def Subscribe!!!
Always wondered about those snooker tables when we went to the pool hall. Although I don't know the ruleset, you did a pretty damn good job at explaining them. Quite the take on a sport and its controversies.
josh from sydney, australia. fantastic and informative videos, always a pleasure to watch!
great video mate! One of those about a topic I care little and know even less for yet really enjoy. Like bee keeping. Joinery. card tricks. etc.
you can ban one person for life and then just slap another on the wrist. The greatest scandal in snooker was not match fixing - but the extreme punishment given to Stephen Lee. When Ted Lowe was asked once whether there was a limit to the amount of time someone could take on a shot his answer was that "yes there is a limit - but nobody knows what it is!)"
I'm still convinced that John Higgins' manager abused his position on the board of the WPBSA to get higgins off the most serious charges. He's a disgrace to the sport and should be treated in the same way as Stephen Lee.
I've really enjoyed what I've seen on your channel so far, I don't even play snooker but
I occasionally enjoy watching the pros, so well done! 👍
Ronnie can play a 147 quicker than than Ebdon played that 12 break 😂
I actually thought it was on small colours so it sounded worse than it was. Didn’t realise until I watched it it was just 4 shots
I like Peter Ebdon!
Very true but it worked, Ebdon won the match!
The fall of paradise....truly
I saw this match live. Ebdon is a great player but that was just not good sportsmanship that day. I am sure he realized it afterwards as well but we all make mistakes. I once slow played an opponent I knew played very fast on purpose in a darts game and won, but I felt bad about what I had done afterwards. As we played I could tell for sure he was affected and you could say it's a tactic and in sports that counts as well, but in hindsight I don't believe I would do it again. Opinions anyone?
Josh Stacey from Christchurch, New Zealand. Love the content man, my favorite snooker channel of all thank you sir.
Was looking for something else and for some reason this came up, so thought I'd give the vid a go. You've become one of the limited channels that I've subscribed to before I fully watched the vid, anyway back to watching the rest and yes I've liked and shake the bell for notifications.
To be truthful I’m only subscribed to about 5 channels on here. But thanks for the sub
Des Moines, Iowa USA. Learning Snooker from one of the best channels on the subject.
Ryan B from Jacksonville Florida coming by to say thank you for making these snooker videos! I love them and will keep watching!
I’ve been watching you for a while from my hometown of Davao, Philippines and I absolutely love your videos.
Borna from Slavonski Brod, Croatia, love the vids man, keep it up
Thank you to you my brother, and this channel which is helping me improve my game. Bula from Fiji Islands.
Drew from Ballina, Australia here. Love the videos mate
I've never supported Higgins since then. It astonishes me that he's warmly regarded and his wins are celebrated.
Same.
Same here
@@AlisonBryen 0
Agree... cos he's a big name and Stephen Lee isn't... that's why Higgins is still playing.
Yep. Can't stand Higgins
Do you see the refs face at the end of number 10 when he sees the cue ball touching the rest 😐
There was a "nothing to see here???" look on the ref's face
Good spot! His face is classic. :D
@@BakjeLeip Haha You're right. He's probably thinking maybe if I just don't mention it no-one will notice
What would have been really controversial is if the cue ball had gone in the pocket after John Higgins had conceded.
It was at this moment he knew...
I'd like to see Ronnie finish a season left handed just to see how good he actually is with it
Lant
He could probably be top 16 left-handed.
I am a left hander and can play golf both hands but i can't imagine playing this with my opposite hand .
Just thinking about it feels awkward.
The problem with that is that people aren't consistent. It is likely that he's better left-handed while in the zone than he's right-handed out of it, but age also plays in, so if next year he plays left-handed and seems to be in the zone, you can't necessarily compare that to him being in the zone while playing right-handed as a younger man.
I would absolutely love to see Jesus and Muhammed racing their flying horses across the Atlantic ocean, but I don't think it's very realistic.
@@jeschinstad I once spent an afternoon knocking balls around with a sparing partner of his , a friend of a friend . We were of course full of questions and left handed came up . Apparently ronnie is as good with either hands .... there is no different although he favours his right as hes right handed . He is consistant with his left but uses it as a crutch when balls arnt going great for him . Its of interest he misses less with his left hand pro rota and also takes a second to line up when playing left handed .
Thank you, for this upload. Great content.
Great video as ever! Do you have any advise on two cushions snooker escapes? Can’t find a good video on the subject on CZcams.
Sounds like a video I need to make
London, England. Loving these vids. So interesting!
Another Wonderful vedio... Thanks alot.
Ghayth... From Bahrain
Great compilation.
The first one is a no brainer. No top Snooker player is going compromise their dignity and win on this type of technicality. If Higgins had known the cueball was going to hit the rest he likely would have smiled, grabbed it and still shook hands.
Yeah I don’t think anything would ever have been made of it. Just a bizarre event more than anything
"You're short and bald and always will be, I'll fight you in the street for fifty grand any time you like" LMAOOOOO
Daniel from sheffield (snooker world capital). Love your channel man.
from Orange County California, keep up the great work dude, Thank you
Thanks for the upload. Big snooker fan (I learned to play as a kid) but wouldn't know where to find a real snooker table this side of the Atlantic.
From Brooklyn - brill vid as always, BFL. What about the Thorburn Higgins green incident?
Always thought John Higgins should have been banned for 3 years.
Keep up the great content!
1:52 i love how ref realized what happened
I enjoyed this. Thanks for the video
Great video, great production quality
Higgins got away far too lightly for that, considering what Lee got.
I believe that you should feel free to fantasize about whatever you want. Until you actually do it, you remain innocent. Lee was convicted of having done it. Higgins was accused of having considered it. If the difference between those things no longer matter, then humanity is up for some bad times.
@@jeschinstad oh I kind of might agree with that, but it still leaves a bad taste, wouldn't you agree Jo?
believe!!
Higgins was set up by an undercover reporter. Lee deliberately cheated for financial gain
@@ebojfmdboojoh4023 yes, both don't come out smelling of roses, right?
If Higgins wanted out of the room, he could have said, "match fixing!?! F**k that I'm out"!! He was tempted because of the money, it's shameful entrapment, it's different if the player actively went looking for it, imo
From Silkeborg, Denmark. Fist time watching your vids, this one is really good! Wanna go and watch a snooker match someday in the UK
Love your channel. Navid from Toronto
There are two types of push shot; firstly one where you physically push the cue ball along with the cue (you are pushing the white) and secondly one where the cue is in contact with the white at the same time the white is in contact with another ball in which case you are deemed to be pushing the other ball along using the cue and white. In order for this not to occur you have to play the white away from the ball which it is already touching. In which scenario it is deemed you have hit the ball you are playing away from and you are credited with hitting that ball if appropriate. If that ball is not appropriate then you must hit the appropriate ball after playing away. Hitting the cue ball twice with the cue is not a push shot but it is a foul shot.
Watching your videos all the way here in Cavite, Philippines!!
From Lynnwood Washington USA. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Shawn in Canton Illinois, USA appreciates your highlights very much!
There are vital differences between the Lee and Higgins cases. Lee fixed matches, bet on those matches and made a profit on those matches. The evidence against him was overwhelming. Higgins agreed, in principle, to fix a few matches for money. However, as the NotW broke the story BEFORE any money changed hands and BEFORE the matches took place, he had what might be called 'plausible deniability'. His manager took the fall for him. Personally, I think Higgins intended to throw matches for money, but you can't convict someone on what you think, only on what you can prove. The case against Lee was proven, the case against Higgins wasn't.
You and your facts get in the way of a good tantrum. Yep. Higgins didn’t do it and Lee did.
Perfect summary
Greetings from Auckland, New Zealand 😁
Your narration cracks me up, good job.
Wow, just WOW! Soo much information in a single video i couldnt digest. Please mark me.
Shoaib from karnataka India 👍🏼. Thanks. Great upload.
No. 10. Higgins view was blocked off. Hence that's y he shook hands. Ref made an error. He shouldn't have had called it frame until the cue ball was stationery
John Higgins should of got a 10 year ban pretending that he was scared for his life when agreeing to fix a match
exactly, was either cheating' or cowardice, funny how he essentially got away with it
I don’t follow snooker, and I don’t even have that much interest in it...but this video was surprisingly fun to watch, keep up the good work 👍
Very nice compilation!
Higgins escaping a lifetime ban was ridiculous. I cant bear to see him on screen and love it each time he loses
Agreed, especially given the ban that Stephen Lee received.
My family is probably sick and tired of hearing me grumble on about “mr potato head” Higgins, every time he plays I prickle with animosity.. what’s even more infuriating is the way all the commentators prattle on about how fkin great he is.. they ended Stephen Lee’s career for less than what Higgins did..
the 3 i hate most are murphy..i really despise him....higgins for the reasons given and thirdly anthony mcgill....don't ask me why
@@paulrichards6894 Murphy gets my back up too, seems smug and insincere.. oh.. and his giant baby head…
Robertson would be my “don’t ask me why”.. he just niggles me for some reason. Especially the curly haired version.
@@aminoto-3 when murphy played maquire in a match ..Maguire came into the arena and had forgotten his chalk....very important part of equipment....murphy complained to the ref and Maguire lost a frame...what a sneak
Watching from Myrtle Point Oregon love the vids
Nice video, I enjoyed it! You explain well enough for a newbie like me to understand, but still short enough to not drag the video.
Logan here, from Tulsa, Oklahoma. Citizen of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Love your stuff.
I will never tire of watching Higgins lose.
9:18 Lee's match fixing was largely discovered "following a police investigation into suspicious betting patterns relating to a match played in 2009". It's easy enough to throw a few shots without anyone being aware so don't expect to be able to see where Lee 'throws' the match. But when huge amounts are bet on one player to win one frame and very little on the other player or other frames - that must stand out like the proverbial sore thumb!
@Daniel Burke Well by definition it is evidence - anything pertaining to the case is - whether it is sufficient to prove guilt is a different matter.
the thing is that the police didn't prosecute Lee but world snooker decided to ban him and unfortunately Lee decided to defend himself rather than get himself a barrister.
It also came about during the time when Pukka Pies sponsored a tournament, which would have been embarrassing for them if Lee had won it, that's a joke btw.
The Higgins match fixing video was a set up by NOTW journalists, there was never any intention to fix a match only to discredit the sport and Higgins himself who bluffed his way through the meeting thinking he was talking to gangsters and then simply walked away from the meeting and ignored it, which proved to be a mistake as he should have reported the incident to world snooker, and that's what he was banned and fined for.
That was his version of the events anyway, and these betting cartels are run by real gangsters so you can't just report them to the police as they have the police in their pockets half the time and both they and the police have guns, so if someone points a gun at you, even metaphorically, you say yes.
I'm pretty sure there are many incidents of match fixing that go unoticed by world snooker, after all if there is no prize money for a first round defeat and you have to fund your hotel and flight to and from china etc you need to make some money, so a bet in play set up for a final frame win by either player can attract some good odds if one player goes 3-0 up in a best of 7 and the match ends up 4-3.
there's more evidence of covid than this, and that's sweet fk all as well. Courts and fake laws are corrupt, not innocent people. Sick skum
Hi OP, I totally agree with your assessment on no 10.
Taxi Driver: That’ll be an even £20 please boss
John Higgins: 🏃🏻♂️
_Stephen Lee thought to be match-fixing_
Snooker Authorities: “Lifetime ban for this one! 👨⚖️”
_John Higgins caught on camera match-fixing_
Snooker Authorities: “Oh, you didn’t mean it? No worries, we believe you. 🤗”
It's not what you do, it's who you know. Goes for everything in life. If you know the right people and keep them happy, you are set for life
Higgins should have been baned for life! One of the all time greats and he goes and agrees to that. I hope he never wins another tournament.
I agree that no. 10 on this list shouldn't be classed as cheating as the players and the ref had shaken hands and weren't even looking at the table.
WHERE'S THE CUEBALL GOING
WHERE'S THE CUEBALL GOING....?!
Always gets me 😆
Lol the way you pronounced Leighton buzzard 😂😂😂😂 great video mate thank youu
If only that was the only thing wrong with this video
Stephen Lee banned for life (basically) for doing something nobody has been shown, you can't find him anywhere throwing frames! All the evidence was hearsay.
John Higgins, actually seen accepting bribes to lose matches, but that was ''ok'' because he didn't' mention the matches that he was agreeing to fix.? There's something seriously wrong here.
John Higgins was lucky as they never went through with fixing a match - him saying he felt threatened was rubbish - he looked fine. As for Stephen Lee, he still protests his innocence (as OJ Simpson did) but please, it was so obvious. The money transferred hands. Everyone knew what frames and games he was gonna throw - and if you watch some of them, it's bloody obvious - Stevie Wonder could have seen he was match fixing....
How can you tell with 100% certainty that he was missing on purpose or intentionally falling out of position?????? On any given day anyone can miss or make an error..... Personally i think Lee was railroaded......
@@nobodyspecial6436 railroaded my arse. Have a look at the videos and i can show you the betting patterns. It is 100% i'm afraid (for him)
Think they found large sums of transfered money in Lees account
In Higgins' case, he certainly wasn't completely innocent. But I think it's a little contentious to say "he looked fine"... As someone who fought out in Basra in 2004, however "fine" someone looks is no indication of how they feel... We were all bricking it that day we landed even though none of us showed it... Higgins' "look" doesn't mean he felt fine - he may well have felt genuinely threatened. Only he will ever know how true that statement was... That said, Higgins definitely failed to report an approach, but no money ever changed hands and no matches were ever found to be fixed - he got very lucky indeed... As no other incidences were ever found in Higgins' case and no evidence of him actually throwing a match ever emerged, I think the WPBSA felt compelled to give him the benefit of the doubt... In Lee's case, he was definitely guilty - the money was found in his account on not just one but numerous occasions... Not hearsay at all, he was caught red-handed. And it's one thing to miss or make an error once in a while, but to do so in a whole string of matches where (a) money had been transferred and (b) numerous unusual patterns of play were noticed is too obvious. There's absolutely no way Lee was "railroaded"
John doesn't throw matches, but he sure throws frames!!!!
Love your video's. Patrick from Holland.
I love this video good job 👍
If you want to watch a moment where the commentators disrupted a shot at the key moment watch the first frame of the 2012 WSC semifinal between Ronnie O'Sullivan and Matthew Stevens. Dennis Taylor and Willie Thorne were really unprofessional.
I could remember a few others like Mark Williams get up off his shot and saying are they telling jokes again. Trouble is none of them are easy to find if you can’t remember the exact match
Stephen Kelsall, I have watched matches in the past where someone in audience has said something that invoked laughter, and because Willie Thorne was talking away the viewers didn't get to hear what was funny. That man just loves the sound of his own voice.
Yeah when you're flat out caught on video agreeing to fix a match... you should be done . . . . forever.
Higgins got away with that far too lightly imo. All snooker fans can remember the Fransisco brother's fixing scandal years before. But both of those players were journeymen at best. Higgins could beat anyone with his A game. So a bet on him to lose was worth a fortune if you knew the result beforehand.
Good production quality in this for something made for CZcams I must say.
Really good video. Well.made
The first one with higgins. Rules dictate that if, with the fowl having been accepted. If there was a mathematical chance of higgins winning the frame the referee should have abided by that rule. Even if it did look like he'd conceded.. Ronnie osullivan got a warning once for conceding a frame when there were enough points on the table for him to win with..(not requiring any snookers)
I think the question of the invisible touch is a very interesting one considering other rules. For instance, if you can make a perfect snooker, you will be penalized for it under current rules. Because a difficult snooker can get you an unlimited number of points, but a perfect snooker can only get you a maximum of seven because there's no way to say that an effort is good enough or not when faced with an impossibility. To be consistent with that, I think that a hit on the red that is so perfect that the referee doesn't know that it is a hit, that should be penalized for being too perfect.
As you may have guessed, I think that this is completely wrong. A perfect snooker should be rewarded and likewise, if the referee can't say that it wasn't a hit, then it should be counted as a hit. But the rules should be logically consistent. If the rule is that it's the players duty to avoid perfection, then that should be the rule. Maybe a suitable reward for a perfect snooker would be that the victim is sentenced to one snooker needed, but gets the choice of a free ball from the current position or handing the game back to the opponent with ball in hand in the kitchen. I haven't thought very much about it, but that seems reasonable to me.
As a computer guy, I could come up with some digital solutions, but I don't want to. Just make the rules logical and humans can figure it out on their own.
If you're talking about the miss rule, the referee has the discretion to not call a miss if they deem that a player has made a good enough effort to escape a snooker
Learned a lot from your channel as a young snooker player! Keep up the good work! Norwich - UK.
I am from Mumbai. Great content & great commentary
That Ronnie bonus round was hilarious 😂😂
Alex Higgins had quite a few controversies in his time. But he also was a genius of a player. Shame he let alcohol overtake him
Higgins played and lived on the edge!
Decent review thanks buddy 😎👍
I’m from Mumbai, great content mate. Keep it up.
5 seconds in and I’m thinking Stephen Lee’s @ No 1....
1st one (no 10) the handshake ends the game so, no foul.
Ebdon’s slow play is a tricky one, as Cliff Thorburn regularly played very slowly. Playing one match he took five minutes to take a simple pot.
Hey from norway brooos. Keep the awesome videos goin
The comment that “Peter Ebdon was never known for being hasty” is in-correct. In his young years (with ponytail), Peter was lightning fast, like Ronnie or Jimmy... it was only after he had his style changed to super slow that he started to be more succesful.
Watching this almost a year later but, I believe the most aggravating issue, is the slap on the wrist of John Higgins, when compared to the blatantly exaggerated penalty on Stephen Lee - talk about double standards...
It's not what you do, it's who you know. Goes for everything in life. If you know the right people and keep them happy, you are set for life
@@ericvosselmans5657 Very true.
I o vu
So true
Lee was a serial cheat who was openly and blatantly cheating over hundreds of games and many years.
Higgin's said he'd swing a match to what he thought was a Russian mob boss who he said he was terrified of saying no to.
The difference is like planning to rob a shop then not doing it (Higgins). And being a lifelong robber who'd robbed hundreds of shops over many years (Lee).
Big difference!!!!!!!
It is possible to pot a red off the break and still get the white back safely to bulk, only problem if the red does not reach the pocket it hangs over of stays close. I hit the second red down from the apex with the white ball placed a balls width to the right of the brown. You need to hit the as much of second red as you can with bag's of running side, firm but not wild. It is a controlled shot. Give it a go
I often try that if I ever want to blast the balls open and hit side cushion first. Obviously that doesn’t go safe but you seem to pot a ball quite often. But will try
Got to love the O'Sullivan bonus round XD XD.
Oh my these controversies had me quaking with anxiety 🥱
The third point about Ronnie saying he's better left handed is true, he is genuinely better lh'ed than some right handed players. You CAN'T openly say in a press interview that you can't play left handed in a match, absolute bs. He's probably just upset that Ronnie is better.
There was something going on between them before the start of the match. Either of them could have been to blame for that. But Ronnie didn’t care because he won convincingly.
John Higgins is an absolute cheat. He should have had the same ban as Steven Lee, but Barry Hearn knows he draws the crowds in and didn't want to lose that. Absolute disgrace. I turn snooker off when he's playing.
Your interpretation of Higgins conceding the match before the black ball hit the rest was an amazing call.
He stood up and walked over hand outstretched and it was accepted and shaken before the black hit the rest, so, amazing call BFL!
Toowomba QLD Australia. binge watching your vids.
How Stephen Lee effectively got a lifetime ban without irrefutable evidence he match fixed yet there is clear and irrefutable evidence Higgins match fixed and he received effectively a wrist slap is beyond me.
What clear and irrefutable evidence that Higgins match fixed?
@@patricklangdon5853 He was on camera and said it?
@@foadiron he said that he could throw matches. He said he COULD throw them. I could say I’m going to kill someone’s but I’m not guilty of killing them until they are dead. He was investigated and the governing body accepted his explanation and said he was guilty of giving the impression of being able to influence the outcome of matches. Giving the impression. Never any suggestion of him doing it. He was banned and fined. Did he cheat? No. Did he say it was possible to cheat? Yes. He brought the game into disrepute and could have been punished harder but it’s done now and people really need to understand exactly what happened before slinging mud.
how can you think being on camera and saying things is irrefutable evidence when the actual matches have happened and there is no real evidence of fixing on any of them?
@@patricklangdon5853 Actually, Higgins gave a detailed account of exactly how he goes about fixing matches. No hypotheticals. Watch the tape. He also detailed a plan for laundering the money offered. Why was a snooker player and his manager visiting the Ukraine on businesd? Snooker big over there, is it? And why did that manager get a life-time ban, and crooked Higgins get a wrist slap?
Thomas from Melbourne Australia. You're doctor Monty reference has been heard
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Great vid, wish I had a room big enough for a table 👍