Digimon TCG: BT17 Competitive Tier List (ENG)
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- This is Hoang and Zero Raven, today we present a tier list in the BT17 English format. We hope we can use our experience to help you the viewer improve. If you have any questions regarding deck building that were not answered please comment below.
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Tbh the images for the top 2 should just be the ukkomons
I promise I will not skip to the end this time before rewinding the video
I promise not to scrub through the video to find my favorite decks on the list and pick a fight bc they don’t have my blind optimism 🤞
Been playtesting a lot of ancient greymon and want to make the argument that it’s tier 2.
Agreed that deletion is worse than bounce, BUT you get to choose your target unlike garuru which keeps your opponent from protecting by just dropping a rookie. I find grey more consistent with an ukko engine bc you and digivolve off your flamemon and have a better selection of hybrids and tamers to play with.
In a format of speed, grey is also faster at getting checks and doesn’t care about an empty field like garuru.
Ancient grey has a better match up into ancient garuru, and quicker removal into floodgates. Grey also can easily raid over magna x and tyrant.
Bad match ups are nume and dexdoru admittedly.
lol, rant at an end, but I’m a big advocate of this deck and think it’s being slept on!
@@carterbowman6916 big RH main here
I strongly agree with you!
Last locals I went undefeated
[ R1 2-0 Blue Hybrid
R2 2-1 Imperial
R3 2-0 Looga
R4 2-1 Imperial ]
@@PAQI_98 right on!! 🔥🦖
Do you have a decklist posted anywhere? Love seeing where everyone’s head is at.
@@carterbowman6916 I will post my decklist soon over at my teams youtube channel "TeamTrueVillains" stay updated 🫶🏼🔥
@@carterbowman6916I'll post my decklist soon over at my teams channel
"TeamTrueVillains"
As someone who plays Tyrant on DCGO, Red Hybrid is always a cool match up as it's an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
Where are you guys getting the data for english results? you say that yellow vaccine magna performed significantly better than blue magna, but counting up the results at Egmanevents shows that they had very similar results
AncientGrey in Tier 3 is such a “what are you guys smoking” take. The deck literally slaps the number one deck you guys placed in Tier 2 by virtue of getting bigger than Magna X and just getting rid of it by battle. I’ve also seen results for it posted way more than Mirage, Tyrant and who even is playing Blue based armors?
Blue base armor is better lmao
Armor purge is a thing so doesn't really kill off a magnaX stack
@@samanderson1188 magna isnt the number 1 deck. Not even close. And mirage has way more tops.
It kills MagnaX, who has Armor Purge, so you don’t get your 2-3 checks off piercing, you lose your stack because of your own effect and then they evolve back into Magna X. Unplayable matchup
Wake me up when Etemon/Sukkomon is meta
Bro entering eternal sleep 😂
Ukkos should at minimum be choice restricted with each other, but im also very in favor of them being restricted as well.
Nobody brought Lilith loop? Is because of how complicated it is to run or something else? I am curious
I suppose it is validating to know that my belief that I should be doing better with SoC than I am is in fact down to a skill issue. I see all these pieces and think “there’s no way that this doesn’t deal well with most decks” then I make one bad choice or brick a little and get stomped.
Blue Magnamon also has access to Paladin ACE which if you’ve got immunity live it’s a safe ACE play to wipe a wide board that they can’t out.
True very huge!
important note for ragna in BT17, it gets destroyed by blue hybrid, cause the tamer makes it impossible to block :/
I think it’s important to note that Diaboromon loses to Imperialdramon Paladin mode by explicit design to stay true to the canon. As frustrating as it is, you canonically should be beating omnimon and losing to paladin mode.
I can't believe you didn't talk about what is CLEARLY the best deck of BT17: Argomon. You aren't feeling the Rhythm?
I forgot that deck existed
Lol we just played pre release yesterday and my buddy was like you can only do stuff if you have rhythm? Who judges my rhythm? Gloria Estefan and the Miami sound machine
The worst thing about Crimson Savior? It doesn't even work against D-Reaper, which is the whole point of the lore.
Crimson savior specifically is a reference to the runaway locomon movie with all the parasimons spawning and gallantmon going crimson mode to wipe them all out
Do you Know where i can find the Yellow Hybrid list you mentioned? I tried to find it in digimon-dg-guide but i only see a lot of bh
Looking forward to trying out a new meta!
The BT17 Gallantmon support is really good. Not enough to compete in majors, mostly due to a poor AncientGaruru matchup, but it is really good. The new gallant can get to pop 12k bodies, something the deck did not do until now, Gallant's protection completely ignores blast digivolution, and its DP+ makes some decks in T2 have a really hard time playing into.
One wave of support wont save it, but I think the deck is getting somewhere...
Hope bf19 brings it to a much better place, and for god sake, they have to make Grani.
I haven't played against enough matchups with bt17 diaboromon, but honestly I think it still does really well in to some of the top decks except maybe ancient? You dont play the clock or the new diaboro at all, its cool and all, but the option is just too slow and the new diaboro is a 2 piece card, if you dont have the other its basically a vanilla with redirect(maybe). Omni is like a game of chicken and you hard dig for bt5 armageddon. Imperial is a lot more manageable thanks to the new keramon warp into new infermon to dedigi and stop an attack or if you have a token on board then warp into ex06 infermon, pop token and evo into ace to spawn token, dedigi off infermon inherit and pop with ace.
Yo, I am trying out the BT17 Diaboro stuff, but am using the BT17 Diaboro myself. From my PoV the card does better into the meta than EX6 does, as it does better into Imperial and its protection is favorable into AncientGaruru. The protection also helps deal better with many decks on the lower tiers. Although I understand worries about consistency, the BT17 Diaboro is just much more powerful, and I have been doing well with it as well. Just praying not to find Rapid X or Valkyrimon ACE, which Numemon runs...
@afonsoviveiros2605 Saying Bt17 is more powerful than the Ex06 diaboromon is an insane statement tbh. Ex06 is a constant token spawn with a really powerful all turns effect that also makes your opponent think twice on playing a digimon on board. The protection doesn't matter in most cases especially when half the time you don't mind the stack being deleted thanks to the token spawn inheritables. Blue will be a problem no matter what because of source strip and bounce which is the only case the option is even worth considering and ancient bounces lowest level so if you have a rookie its never touching your diaboromon, but the deck does not need it tbh, catastrope Canon is a much better card. As for Valk ace, that card is heavily relied on etemon or just having a lvl 5. If they decide to raw evo on their turn then that's an easy overflow -4 for you. Rapidx is definitely more annoying to get around, but the deck has good counter play against the card too as long as it's not the initial digivolve turn and you're patient enough.
@@MagnaTimon I see the points you are making but reconsider some things here. EX6 Diaboromon, for the extra token spawning, requires to be kept up during a bunch of turns, which is not easy with a card with no protection. Sure, blue can be annoying, but the biggest blue decks to be facing during this meta, Mirage and AncientGaruru, dont really have much source strip to punish BT17 Diaboromon that much. AncientGaruru may try to bounce a token but that does not bounce a security and if they try bouncing the diaboromon, it protects and no cards are added. Plus, there are other decks that try to throw Diaboro into security or under other cards, perhaps not as relevant, but still something this Diaboro can do.
That is not the only utility, though. When comparing the redirect vs the blocker, I think this once per turn redirect offers a bit more power as it has an easier time defending vs green deck, in general, mainly imperial. Sure, you could have other ways of outing it, but this is just much more consistent at that. Imperial is uncapable of playing through a BT17 Diaboro without having to commit an ACE or losing a lot of its offense.
Just in regards to Valk, yeah, relies on Etemon, but its Numemon, they will always see Etemon and apply it on the big Diaboromon stack, no matter the build. Hopefully this passes my points across?
@afonsoviveiros2605 Like I mentioned, most of the time the protection doesn't matter since you can benefit from the token inheritables. I mentioned source strip because it's still a possibility that blue has source strip which one of the meta decks you mentioned(mirage) runs 3 zudomon aces on average and as for ancient they only need to add a card to hand in general which their inheritables do that for them so they will bounce a security anyways even if they don't bounce the diaboro. I know the redirect has more value in this matchup, but it's one particular matchup where other matchups the blocker from ex06 diaboro just does the job better. For nume they may always have the etemon, but again my point is you just play around that with having the ace on board.
If this is how this remains. I’m ok. I don’t need to spend money for a bit basically
Hey hoang
What do you think its a good replacement for the purple scrabble in dexdoru?
Ive seen people using purple memory, but idk
I replaced it with 2 helllooga just for the draw power and removal, but wanted to check your opinion
sir ... the mega digimon assembly just disappeared from the game! can you help ? s2s2s22ss2
Well my day just got so much better
So you don't have to play clock support for diaboromon. Does that improve his chances at all? Ive been having a ton of fun with the deck so far and it seems really good to me eben with the clock
Does anyone have QiQi's Ulforce list? I need to see what a crazy build means to Hoang and how crazy it actually is
I think Mirage in tier 3 is a hot take. A deck that can totally deal with Magna, Nume, and Imperial or at least have 50/50s with it being that low? I get maybe it falls off a little, but if it matches up well with everything in tier 1, how is it not at minimum tier 2?
Haven't finished the video yet lol, but I couldn't help but comment on that one lol
Waiting for you to finish the video 😂
@@HoangZero LOL I promise I'm watching the whole thing as we speak, love the content as always!
where is the boy, argomon ??
Is that GabuBond actually the Gabu Rush strategy that’s been enabled by ancientgaruru? Cause even if it plays one of each BoF (once it gets the ace) it’s really an AnGa deck albeit not an hybrid one.
It’s really fun, and it feels strong, but yeah idk how well it fares against all the Digimon emperor and now the random revival of kokuwamon floodgate lmao. I think it’s my preferred way of playing AnGa tho, even if it’s strictly weaker.
It is 100% an AnGa enabler but being able to abuse bt6 matt and lui is really good lol
i feel like when you talked about diaboro you only focused on the clock and new diaboro and not really the true power of the deck with the new keramon and infermon. the ability to warp during opponents turn; if they dont get rid of it, to either dedigivolve with the bt17 infermon or warp into diaboro from the ex6 infermon is huge since you still play out tokens and then inherit dedigivolve. the deck is also surprisingly fast and can easily swarm enough i feel like t4 just isnt it for the deck. either high t3 or low t2 imo. the new diaboro also has an effect to redirect into any diaboromon. the clock is also never there for the win con its their for the protection and extra body or bodies if you use the new diaboro.
you forget that we are in a meta that can easily get rid of/ ignore it.
BT17 is finally out!!
machinedramon best deck!!!!
MirageGaomon did top in the last weekend GAO HK, lost against Numemon
To my knowledge Hong Kong is eng meta so it would have been ex6
@@HoangZero It's JP meta
Pretty sure yellow vaccine magna x is the most broken deck after numemon
What are your thoughts on Royal Knights? It got a new omni and the lvl7 aces to use.
Curious to thoughts on D-brigade this format
I'm gonna keep playing imperialdramon. I only picked it up because I love the digimon in the deck.
Were can I find a deck profile for ancient garuru
Eos being dumped immediately into tier 4 hurt so much
The fact that it isn't that bad and can wipe all of the tier 2 deck and can go against tier 1
Eosmon has so much more consistency of spamming deleting and dedigivolving. The only thing bad is that it brickes or it a gamble deck it shouldn't be this low maybe they didn't try it but it is much better then lots of these deck
@@masterkid4878 they wrote it off instanly which pissed me off
Super curious to if USA Garu will dominate here like it did in Japan!
Quick question - what do you consider Tier 1/2/3/4 means in terms of placement expectations? For example - Tier 1 contending for regional win. Tier 2 contending for top 8 etc.
Tier 1 likely to win regional, tier 2 can top constantly, tier 3 top decent amount, tier 4 not likely to top
ouf that sad life of diaboromon deck just tier 4...
Great thumbnail
Where would u put rapidmon. i think the deck scales well against the top decks so i wonder wehre it would be ranked?
T3, it didn’t perform well in bt16-ex6 and the field has gotten harder
@@HoangZero understandble but i think there is a case to be made it will be a good option in bt17. Numemon is still a good match up for them and blue hybrid gatekeeps both magna variants really hard there by reducing its biggest counter. Impel and blue hybrid have a worse but winnable match up so im interrested to see where it ends up in
I don't understand how you can consider Ragna to have a good matchup into most of Tier 1/Tier 2, but you put it into Tier 3.
Yea that was lowkey annoying. “Yea this deck can handle these tier 1/2 decks and has a chance against the others. Also it won a regional Sooooooo tier 3.”
mastemon isnt even relevant? ç.ç
Just wanna play silphy man
How's Diaboromon deck doing in the current meta though?
I prolly will build a deck based on Diaboromon and Armageddemon
Very bad, gets blown out by numemon, valk, crimson blaze, imperial...
Firmly locals tier
JESMON is still better then most decks !!!
all hail our Ulforce Lord QiQi. everybody else stay hating
Would Beelzemon still be a decent deck to play in BT17 format?
Mirage in T3 is crazy imo
Waiting for you to finish the video 😂
@@HoangZero lmao shit I'm waiting for me to finish it too
When are you adding this update?
Gallantmon support is like.... Bandai makes decent Gallant support and after all other card to counter or bypass gallantmon.....
They hate him for real :(
Incorrect. Bandai just gives it awful support, or support that just conflicts with itself or the current version. BT17 War literally counters what the BT17 Gallant wants to do. Also sucks that our best WarGrowl is still an EX3 card WITH NO INHERENTABLE, like bro just copy the effect and give it an inheritable
@@Th3ChompPvP disagreed on the bt17 war and gallant part. I thought the same, but you can technically just blitz before resolving effects
HAPPY ODAIBA DAYYYY
Your disrespect for blue armors is crazy.
7DL tier 3, thanks for the joke hahaha
shakamon too rogue to make the cut, sad
Did i miss mother D reaper control being mentioned?
Mother Control is not a real deck until EX7, this is BT17
It needs EX7 Shoto to get its blocker each turn and get cancerous
Yo what about mastemon? Can't forget the Queen of T3
Spanish?
aint no way imperial is better than take
Imperial counters every aspect of Take.
Whenever you think they’re about to combo just build a BT16 Paildra even if it passes them to 5 memory, that way they can’t unsuspend during combo to kill you.
Otherwise the new option gets to stop their whole combo. When they delete your stack by playing out Kazuchi you just evolve to prevent it and that actually kills them right there.
@@Samuel313991 yes they can, paildra is killed by the evo effects
Probably more inconsistent than Imperial
@@yumijandro7761 a good player would simply draw the combo
And who are you to give your opinion? Have you won any important tournaments with more than 100 people?
Where is alphamon ?
Alpha is a rogue tier deck. We have good matchups into some very meta decks and also just struggle vs other things. We aren't really something that's considered in the meta. Just play what you like and don't worry about tiers
Dismissing Eosmon so quickly when you fail to see how consistent it is with 8 Morphomon's that could evo into Eosmon level 6 mid swing. Also how it could play Digimon Emperor for free and dodge Ace cards by de-digivoling anything and poping what's left with the new Eosmon level 6.
We just have to show them how its done 💪
Personaly I think you guys missed Beelzemon and Alphamon; The first one got a great boost from EX6 the new Beelzemon turns the deck more agresive than it was before and Alphamon benefits from the new Dex line in BT17. If Ulforce is player oriented that boy should go at least bottom of Tier 3 bouncing is still pretty good and Gallantmon-for the 100 time-it needs something that doesn't rellay on the opponent like any other deck stop making it so counter focused
Glad Sec Con went extinct do
Birds in T4? Y'all should try out crimson ace in the deck that can poop out level 6's very easily
No Mastemon? Boi.
it's not good lol
The Sakuya disrespect is saddening. :(
I agree that it's not great, but it's one of the most fun decks that I've played. Way more fun and engaging than all of these "Ukko-Engine" decks..
RH main here
Red Hybrid is not Tier 3 😂
just went undefeated at last night locals and went absolute ballistic against Blue Hybrid, 2 Imperial's and Fenrilooga.
Sorry friend, locals warriors are not tier 1 and maybeeee tier 2
Wtf
you must not play alot to think certain decks deserve a higher tier
Tyrant is trash tbh. Should switch with demon lords