How to Upgrade Your Mobility Scooter to Lithium Batteries
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Aegis Battery here with a quick demo on how to upgrade and/or replace your mobility scooter's lead acid batteries with more powerful, faster charging and longer lasting lithium batteries. Please note, you will need to change to a lithium charger and battery meter that matches your lithium batteries, which are included in our mobility upgrade kits.
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Please do note: Not all scooter models will work with lithium batteries and you will need a lithium battery charger to safely charge your upgraded lithium batteries. In addition, your original charger will not work.
Disclaimer: This is video is a simple demonstration and to be done at your own risk. Please consult your mobility scooter's manual and manufacturer prior to attempting any battery replacement or upgrade to lithium batteries.
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Thank You, clear, plain, to the point, single subject. No loud music blasts.
I have 2 lead acid 10 ah total and have a lithium RV battery 100 ah. All are 12.8 v. The lead acid batteries are soldered in. If I took them out and replace with a single lithim battery would it work? Would I have to dissconect the spare/ loose cables or mask them with gaffa tape.
My largest concern is burning out the controller. All my scooters appear to have a "Rhino" controllers, and on their website, they state that there is a pretty comprehensive battery management control setup.
What are the chances that the larger Li-Ion charging amperage (10 Amps vs 6 Amps) will not damage the controller - the charge port on my scooter does not go directly to the batteries, but to the controller, then to the batteries.
Current lead-acid charger is a 6 Amp. Smallest 12V charger for a 135Ah LFP battery (for eg) is 10 Amp. I'd like to be able to run a 20 Amp charger, really get them charged as fast as possible.
Living in a small city right next to a large city, it would be nice to at least double my range. 75km is amazing (from comment down below), but if I could get 40 or 50km, I would be a happy man.
By my reckoning, a replacement 135 Ah LFP or Li-Ion battery would just about double my current range. That is because the Li-Ion battery can be drawn down to a much lower remaining voltage before dropping off - somewhere around 20%. That gives 80% of the battery amperage going directly towards the load. A Lead-Acid battery should only be drawn down to about 50%, because apparently any more may damage the battery. So that gives me just 50% usable amperage. Some batteries may tap out at 60%. Think of a Wal-mart battery. Experience has led me to believe they tap out at about 80% (voltage drop) LOL. Never again.
What size charger is included in your kit?
What size battery do you have in a Class 24 battery size. I've seen as high as 280Ah Li-Ion batteries. I could go forever with a pair of those!!! (If I win the lottery!)
You don't happen to have a couple 300Ah batteries laying around to replace my 75Ah ones? LOL.
The EcoWorthy 12 volt 30 ah Lithium batteries appear to be same size as the two 18ah SLA batteries I use in my Pride Elite Traveler scooter. Amazon is selling a 2 pack plus balancer for $125. This looks like a good deal for use in my scooter. Would also need a lithium charger with scooter connector and a lithium voltmeter. Thoughts?
You have to keep in mind the Airlines restrictions on maximum battery size for a carry-on mobility scooter - cannot exceed a certain wattage. (v x a) but I think the new setup is still below the Airline Industry max limit. 500 or 600 watts, I cannot remember. I had to buy a second, smaller capacity battery for my folding scooter as my regular battery was twice the allowable limit, but the 2nd one was spot on their max, and I took it to Europe for a cruise! I didn't need range, just the ability to get around on a tour once in a while.
Hello, I have 2 12 volt AGM batteries with 200 amps in my mobile, if I want to switch to lithium batteries can I also use 200 amps and can I use the charger or do I need a different one? Thanks for the info!!
Hi Manfred, thanks for reaching out. Yes as you are already using 200 amps batteries, you should be able to switch to 12V 200Ah lithium batteries. For the charger, we recommend getting a corresponding lithium battery charger as they can have different voltages/amps and offer much faster charging speeds than lead acid.
If you needed more help or wanted us to take a look at your current setup to get you the best lithium battery replacement, feel free to email us at contact@aegisbattery.com
Hi, does the main circuit breaker go off when replacing the batteries - or should you trip the breaker before replacing the batteries? Thank you.
Hi bpbigman1, generally if you are replacing the same exact voltage your scooter used before, it should not trigger the breaker or need to do so in replacement.
If you have any further questions, feel free to contact us contact@aegisbattery.com and we'd be happy the help.
Thank you for your fast reply, that makes a lot of sense - excellent!
Do you ned a new charger for the lithium batteries? If Yes, how do I get one and were from in the UK.
Hi Douglasdavies, yes you would need a lithium charger for our lithium batteries. You can order direct from us on our website www.aegisbattery.com
Please note, for international orders there may be additional customs and duties fees that are placed by your countries customs. We ship from California, USA.
If you have any other questions feel free to reach out to us at contact@aegisbattery.com.
I'm still using Lead acid 4 pieces 12v 20ah (48v in total) but i want to upgrade to lithium.. which one to take? can i take only 48v but i can choose any amphere i want right?
Look at your amp hours, and you'll need the same numbers or greater. 48v can be achieved with one lithium battery, two 24s, or 4 12s. The lifepo4 is safe, and get the right charger. Your battery charge gauge meter will also need recalibration (resistor) or replacement for the 52v range.
I have a Pride Raptor with with AH 75, 24 volt batteries. Which lithium batteries can I buy instead?
Hi sea_hous, based on a quick search and like most mobility scooters, Pride Raptor utilizes (x2) 12V in series to output 24V.
We currently have a 75Ah available for our mobility scooter kits. You can check out all our mobility scooter kits at:
www.aegisbattery.com/pages/mobility-scooter-replacement-batteries
If you have any questions or comments feel free to reach out to us via our email and we'd be happy to help.
I think the choice of sealed lead acid is a better choice for an implement that will be charging in a home or hotel or garage, and that runs through puddles where the battery compartment could see water ingress, or debris penetration.
Lithium ion batteries are showing a marked propensity of igniting violently after water ingress to the compartment, or if punctured or damaged. With that big an unknown I try to limit the number of Li-ion batteries inside my home, as I would be unable to get my elderly disabled parents out in a timely fashion.
Hi califonigirl, definitely can understand the concern. Cheaper lithium batteries can definitely issues, especially when not properly sealed or do not have quality BMS to properly detect short circuits or temperature issues.
Our recommended mobility kits come only LFP (LiFePO4) batteries and are enclosed in ABS IP65 rated casing. LFP is much safer chemistry than most other lithium-ion batteries being able to withstand punctures without igniting.
However, no current battery is completely inert. Even lead acid has toxic gas build up that can ignite when charging or damaged.
Ultimately choice is up to you. Good lithium batteries are more expensive than lead acid, but do offer quite a bit of longevity, power, and safety now.
Again, thanks for brining this up, we get this question quite bit.
If you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to reach out to us anytime at contact@aegisbattery.com
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Hello, can I use a lead acid battery in this vehicle?
Hi emrah8057,
Yes, the stock battery for most mobility scooters are still lead acid.
However, if you did want to upgrade for more power/range and longevity, feel free to check out our mobility kits at:
www.aegisbattery.com/pages/mobility-scooter-replacement-batteries
thank you @@aegisbattery
Is that it, is that all ?
Hi TonyBurke100, sorry for the late reply due to holiday. But yes, in many cases it is a simple drop in replacement with the same voltage battery.
However, we do recommend checking with your mobility scooter manufacturer to ensure no issues using lithium batteries. Also, the on board battery meter may not display the voltage correctly when upgrading, but we do include this and the lithium battery charger in our mobility kits.
If you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to email us at contact@aegisbattery.com and visit our website: www.aegisbattery.com/pages/mobility-scooter-replacement-batteries
Lithium batteries die out at 24 volts 80%, and the LeadAcid scooter guage is for 24volt max; meaning your guage wont be accurate or dependable. Adding a resistor to the old charge gauge will likely work, or a switched resistor for both Lead Acid or Lithium. There's also a round 30mm lithium guage listed on aliexpress which is merely a volt meter; but will work once you learn to keep it charged above 80% (20% run range). Also, the new gogo lithium scooter's guage may be an easy swap-out... Can't make up my mind on which way to go; a, b, or c?
I understand 😊. Probably a better solution is to utilize a proven method of monitoring the lithium cells and pack condition. There is much more criteria than the Voltage regardless of how it is displayed. The flat voltage curve of a lithium cell pack doesn't tell much in regards to capacity. Today's smart batteries are an option as are smart monitors combined with a shunt. Quite frankly, today's inexpensive smart batteries used with an android or apple device are as good as more expensive options 😊 Hope this helps.
@@anthonyrstrawbridge - Lithium battery packs already have a BMS inside, along with thermal protection. A 400ohm resistor between the meter's positive lead seems a simple fix, pulls the gauge down just a few volts to put it in range so you can see where the cutoff is, for future reference.
@@cvstan2587 I understand we used to do it to oil pressure indicators especially the "idiot light ", which illuminated red at the driver.....while the oil pressure was perfectly within minimums. However, the voltage indication cannot and will not provide any indication of cell capacity. And it is further noted that cell capacity is your intention. Fool yourself my friend but please not me👍🏻
@@anthonyrstrawbridge - The BMS shuts the battery off at specific voltage, typically around 21volts on a 24v battery setup.
@@cvstan2587 I'm gonna share a secret with you. I'm secretly wiring three x 14 volt batteries in series. Don't say anything please.
Disposing of old Lithium Batteries?
Hi we already use a local recycler for all our lithium batteries. Thanks for the interest.
so you dont have to change chargers ? ?
Hi garyhughes6927, thanks for the question. You do need to change to the correct lithium battery charger for lithium batteries.
Many mobility scooters run on two 12V batteries in series (x2 12V), meaning you would need a 24V lithium battery charger.
For a more detailed guide, you can check out our article post at medium.com/@contact_74436/mobility-scooter-battery-upgrade-guide-checklist-b95ec2d938fe
If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to us anytime or email us at contact@aegisbattery.com
The guage won’t work you need a lithium guage
@brunningwolf You're absolutely right. Most current mobility scooter's meter or gauge are designed for lead acid batteries and do not work with lithium batteries.
For our mobility kits, we include a new battery voltmeter that is calibrated to our lithium batteries and can be plugs into the XLR charging port.
www.aegisbattery.com/pages/mobility-scooter-replacement-batteries
Thanks for pointing that out and appreciate your comments.
We did create a supplemental video showing the full kit that has the new battery voltmeter as well as the correct lithium battery charger.
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I was going to have my scooter changed from standard batteries to lithium type But, was told i had to have other things done to my scooter to make it compatible with lithium batteries. new system etc, etc costing including the batteries around £1, 000 + But this guy just simply changes both batteries to lithium & no problem What about the charger does that have to changed to a lithium type charger or will the one i have been using (without any issues for the past few years ). I am very CONFUSED!!!! by my usual mobility scooter repairers & this video & very possible similar other vids online. I really need to know is my repairers right or wrong on this matter. 🤔🤔🤔🤔😒🙄
Hi thestig8133,
Thanks for your comments and happy to help.
In many cases it really is simple drop in replacement for your lead acid with the same voltage lithium batteries. For charging, you will need to change to the corresponding lithium battery charger.
We do recommend you first check with your mobility scooters manufacturer to see if your model can be upgraded to lithium batteries.
You can check out more detailed guides and videos on our mobility page towards the bottom: www.aegisbattery.com/pages/mobility-scooter-replacement-batteries
If you have any further questions, feel free to contact us directly at 949-469-1776 or email us at contact@aegisbattery.com
@@aegisbattery Thanks for your reply but, SADLY!!!! i have recieved the WORST news anyone could get when they are in my situation. & all i can say is everytime this has happened it has taken on average 16 months to sort out. So, at this time i will not be able to do anything As to when who knows. But, i got just one question the lithium batteries you use are not the one's i was thinking of. The one's i was thinking of are called DAKOTA LITHIUM I don't know if you have e er heard of them. But, what i do know about them they was put on a mid sized mobility scooter & went for a drive That drive was over 75+ miles on that one single charge. 😯 I couldn't believe it myself. But, it was proven the scooter did that milage on those DAKOTA lithium batteries But, my scooter i think is what is reconised as LARGE one So, if i got thge REALLY RUBBISH milage it does now MAX 4.5 mileson a full charge 👎👎👎👎👎😠😠😠😡😡😡😡😡 I would expect it to do at LEAST!!!! 15+ miles on a charge. So, you can understand my 😡 & extreme frusdtration on it's extremely low range & it has had a recent service & nothing was found to be at fault. So, as i said earlier i can't do sod all with it due to this major issue i have that i know will take around 16 months. So my mental health is getting WORSE!!!! due to this & will not get any better until it is sorted out till next time ( around 2026) expected. Anyway i have said too much as tend to do. SORRY for that. But, thanks anyway Do some deep research into those DAKOTA Lithium batteries & make your own judgement of them. I personally think they are FANTASTIC!!!!
No mention of charging.
Hi Ivormectin3816, you are absolutely right. For charging you would need to change to a lithium battery charger.
We do include this in our mobility battery upgrade kits and is in our guide on our website, but should have mentioned it in the video as well. Thanks for pointing that out 👍
Mobility Upgrade Kits: www.aegisbattery.com/pages/mobility-scooter-replacement-batteries
Mobility Upgrade Guide: medium.com/@contact_74436/mobility-scooter-battery-upgrade-guide-checklist-b95ec2d938fe
Your video isn't that good mate one you didn't say that you have to change the charger for a lithium battery charger. 2 you should always individually charge new batteries before you install them this is so that you've got a balance voltage in both one this belongs to life of the batteries same thing goes for lead acid or lithium. You need to check with the manufacturer to make sure the amperage is not too high with lithium.
HI Markbrown261,
Appreciate you pointing out some things we were missing in our video. We will definitely need to mention those things and that users need to change to lithium battery chargers in all our future videos.
For our mobility kit batteries, our BMS are specifically designed to self-balance the load across the batteries running in series for both charging and discharging. But absolutely, it also best to check with your mobility scooter manufacturer as well.
Thanks again for some missed points in this video for our users and viewers.
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