Compared: Nissan Armada vs Titan vs World's Toughest Towing Test - Titan Trials Ep.2
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Hey guys I love your show. I would like to see a Nissan NVP 3500 Ike Gauntlet tow test. Thanks!
I happen to own the Armada and 2 years later and after 10 times of watching this video I just realized something VERY IMPORTANT that makes this TEST NOT VALID. and is that the Armada was NOT on tow mode and the titan was. I think it would have improved a lot, would it beat the Titan, well probably not, but it would be a better score against other brands outhere. I deem this video NOT FAIR and should be reviewed by you guys. After all this is a Towing test, by a reputable channel. Thanks.
After realizing that you didn't have the TOW MODE on in your Infiniti QX80 test, I came to this Armada test. I was surprised that you forgot that on this test too. The green tow mode light would have been on in your dash shots if you had it on. This makes your test invalid, as noted by another person in the comments. Your shift points would have been different, resulting in better times, mileage braking an score. Please re-test the Armada/QX80 for all of us wanting to know how it really tows IN TOW MODE. The button is near the round dial between the seats, and the ignition cancels it out so you have to make sure you turn it back on after each stop.
That trailer light check feature is pretty cool!
Stephen Elmer is an outstanding presenter. I've been watching his stuff for years. Definitely a great addition to the crew.
Welcome to the new Canadarian! :D Not much muskeg to work with down here, but we have our own terrain challenges. :)
I like these new Titans. They look pretty darn sharp.
Agreed. It looks great.
Hey Andre, I just noticed you went from measuring the heat of the brake rotors and speaking Russian to the top guy at TFL. Congrats dude.
its only been four years...we have a new president in the white house too...(dont get your hopes up on that one)
Already been winning with the new POTUS in so many ways. Hopes have not been let down.
Lol
@@dlakerguy All the subpoenas and violations you could ever dream of :)
@@dlakerguy How’s that winning now? Lmfao
So happy to see a fellow Canadian on my favourite CZcams channel!!😜👍
I happen to own the Armada and 2 years later and after 10 times of watching this video I just realized something VERY IMPORTANT that makes this TEST NOT VALID. and is that the Armada was NOT on tow mode and the titan was. I think it would have improved a lot, would it beat the Titan, well probably not, but it would be a better score against other brands outhere. I deem this video NOT FAIR and should be reviewed by you guys. After all this is a Towing test, by a reputable channel. Thanks.
Welcome Stephen! I love your reviews. Will be great seeing you regularly with the TFLtruck crew.
I appreciate your view on manual tow mirrors. The more ‘perks’ you have, the more can break. They’re not bad if you don’t plan on keeping the vehicle too long, but if you buy one to run until it’s done and keep in fixing, less is more. Thanks guys!
Love the canuck addition to your team guys. Been a huge fan for years and really wish I could help more
Glad he's on the TFL team! Love his truck and off-road vids. Perfect addition to this channel!
Sure wish you guys would plug in an OBD-II monitor, something like the Scangauge-2, (bluetooth dongle versions with phone apps are also available) so we can all see just exactly how the engines are behaving during these tests. I have one and it can display oil temps, coolant temps, transmission temps, gear ratios, mpg, horsepower being used, exhaust gas temps, torque converter slip, and lots of other info...
Thanks for the great suggestion
And I DO have a Titan XD (gas engine) and pull a trailer thru the mountains and that information can be quite interesting to see. I have actually seen 19.5 mpg avg thru the mountains. On the flats at highway speeds, 14 mpg is not unusual. Nice truck for towing. Coolant temps vary, from about 184 degrees on the flats, to about 207 pulling a steep grade. You can't see this on my factory temp gauge.
Engine oil temps generally stay around 198-202 degrees. Transmission temps seem to be around 177 to 195 depending on load and speed.
Horsepower readings vary from around 60-70 on the flats, to around 150hp to 250hp pulling a grade.
Again, it's interesting to have this information.
These OBD-II readers can also display trouble codes.
I use the Scanguage monitors too, very handy! I drives me batty that so many new cars now have "MPG" meters, but NO actual, useful gauges!
Great addition to the team!!!!
excited for out Canadian friend
Ha..I know this video is from 4 and some years ago but I happen to notice that you guys did not use the tow mode on the armada. Not that it makes any difference in time and performance but I thought I’d point it out haha. Thanks. Great vids btw. Keep ‘em coming.
Nissan is hoping people with "Remember the Titans" when full size truck shopping and what better way to do that than have the TFL crew use their truck as a long term truck in the Titan Trials. I actually like the new Nissan Titans and I am usually not a fan of bright colors on trucks, but this Titan Pro 4x looks sweet with that two tone yellow and grey paint. Great job guys and Stephen is a great addition to the crew, kind of jealous but super happy for him and the TFL crew should be fun.
Nissan should have put that 7 speed transmission in all there cars instead of the CVT
Longitudinal transmissions dont fit so well in transverse engine bays.
Lmao
Alan Bowers I'm sure you know I meant a 7 speed auto.. regardless 🙄🙄🙄
Having owned 3 Nissan CVTs w/ the 3.5L VQ V6s, (2007 and 2012 Maximas, 2015 Murano), and now a 2017 Titan Pro-4x w/ this 7spd Auto, I'll always prefer the CVT shift logic over my Titan's 7spd. Those CVTs I owned were never confused on what ratio to be in, or never got caught flat-footed when passing (I have the latest ECM/TCM programming too). The last always gets me as if I need to pass in my Titan, doing say 50 mph...it can only down shift to 3rd...and it is too low in the rev range to really pull hard until over 65 mph. With the CVTs and 3.5L V6s, they always responded immediately and dropped the ratio enough to push over 5k rpms and surge past 6500 rpms and hold. The passing response in those specific CVTs were instantaneous and the acceleration was much more satisfying. Now...on the other hand...you'll never be pulling this kind of weight with a CVT and this truck...so the 7 spd is the obvious choice. It just isn't as refined or responds nearly as rapidly to throttle inputs as my experience with the CVTs.
wtgkb8 God imagine if they did put a CVT in the Armada and Titan 😂🤣😂 that would be a disaster
Loving the Nissan Titan content. If and when I get a new truck, the Titan is at the top of my list
Very happy that there is now a Canadian perspective on this channel now. Thanks for all the great videos guys!
I have a 18 armada nice video folks
I just don't like armadas fuel economy
Great addition to the team!
shut up and play your guitar
That was a fair and good test,...thanks again TFL.
The most best thing about all Nissans is their engines. I think we can all agree.
The worst thing about all Nissans is their transmissions. Especially their CVTs. Like that Pathfinder shouldn’t have a CVT.
xDinox the transmissions in the Titan even the 1st gen were very solid and reliable. The CVTs they have made for their cars on the other hand are garbage.
I would agree about the CVT transmissions, but all of their conventional transmissions seem to be very durable and long lasting.
No, these are Jatco transmissions which is a subsidiary of Nissan. Only the Cummins powered Titan has the aisin 6spd
John G
These are indeed Jatco transmissions, just as we find in the rest of the world’s Navara and Mercedes X-Class pickups.
Aisin build six and eight speed transmissions while Jatco make seven speeds and Mercedes seven and nine these days. Aisin AW also make transverse fitting versions of their eight speed transmissions and fit them in Toyota, Lexus and Volvo vehicles.
I agree that Jatco cvt is junk. They still have an unacceptably high and early failure rate.
Was wondering who made these transmissions for the Titan & how reliable they were. Who makes the diffs? XD likely has a bigger rear diff? There are geared really high @2.93. The trans must have some low gears pull that ratio?
Great video guys. :-)
What about the base model truck engines ? 2.7 Tacoma,3.3 Ford F-150,4.3 Silverado, Ram 3.6. Your missing an entire class of trucks. Allot of time these are the ones on the job site due to price. Not everybody is looking for a 60-80k truck.
Alex these trucks are going for wayyyyy cheaper the msrp, you can buy these trucks for way less than the standard trucks of the big 3 and a way better warranty to boot!
Excited to see what Stephen does with TFL Off-road 👍
Anyone notice they cut the footage before the UPS truck passed them. 6:45
Great fit with Stephen! His AutoGuide features were some of my favorites & I always thought he should work with the TFL crew
" ahhh this is a kick ass truck let me tell you" - Mr. Truck on the Nissan Titan pulling up the Ike gauntlet.
You guys are the best!
I am not even old enough to drive, but these are just too entertaining
How come in the 2017 Titan half ton Ike Gauntlet review the score was 66 vs 80.5 now? They're essentially the exact same truck. In that video posted Jan 28, 2017, the Titan was towing 9000 lb still had only 9 brake events (same as this video), and made it up the hill in 8:09. Back then, Mr. Truck said he was disappointed with the performance and gave it a 15 for his subjective score. Now he's all smiles and has lots of praise for the Titan??
Great add!
This is the closest these three guys will come to getting a workout!
I love my Armada. I have a light hauling business and tow my 2k lbs dump trailer with 8k lbs in it with my 2013 Armada. I pull onto the quarry scales at 16k lbs altogether. It came with tow package but it's an SV, with no factory air suspension. I put $80 FirestoneRideRite bags in the rear coils. I can pump them up with a bike pump. I will be getting a new Titan once I pay off the Mada.
Why do some many people call SUV's soccer mom vehicles? I'll take the SUV personally because I have more options for the money. I can get my family of 8 in the SUV and go fishing or to the beach. If i just wanted to haul stuff I can with a trailer or put somethings inside it. Also I'm glad but wondering why the Armada decreased in value so much in 2 years around 50% off a good low mileage used one.
Unibody (car based) SUV's being called soccer mom vehicles, I understand. I also don't get why a truck based one would be. I prefer the SUV body because I can carry all my buddies and it is easier for me to keep my gear in the hatch than in the bed of a pickup. The load capacity of the Armada is actually HIGHER than the Titan. The Armada ride is so much better. The only advantage of the truck is when you need to haul something too tall for the Armada, or a load of cow shit/gravel, etc. That is when I rent a trailer and tow it.
Not just for Canadian people. All the Middle East and Africa and Australia use the kilometers and kg and centimeters! Great!! TFL is the best CZcams channel for cars and trucks.
Love these 2 trucks
Clearview mirrors Australia makes tow mirrors for the Armada ( Y62 Nissan Patrol here ) awesome bit of quality kit been using their mirrors for years
Elmer is cool. I liked his truck reviews in the past. Hope to see him thrive at TFL.
I believe there is a Titan Pro 4x, and a Pro-4x XD. The XD has different specs, compared to the non XD Pro-4X. I would love to see the Pro -4X XD hooked up with a goose neck and run the Ike. Please! Great job guys!
I agree with tx2sturgis, I miss at least seeing the gauge cluster on the video so we can all see how they shift, temps, mpg etc in real time. It gives us the viewers a better understanding of how they perform. Otherwise, great video fellas. Thanks.
We need pro4x vs XD 5.6 pro4x. Keep up the great work guys. The videos just keep getting better. And I’m super happy to see you give the new Titan so much love. Nissan for life.
Mototitan87 geez these big 3's fans are anoying... haters gonna hate! I love my 2015 pro-4x!
I was a big 3 man until I got a titan as a loaner for 2 weeks. I’ve decided that’s going to be my next truck. I love them
Another great video.....any idea what the tongue weight was. I didn't catch it if it was in the video. Thanks
Mr Truck loves to hear himself talk.
When you do a part 2 you should link to part 1 in the description.
One thing of note with the Nissan full sized truck/suv - you can shift your own gears, yes it's an auto, but you can shift them, which would stop it from auto downshifting that the trucks are doing on the uphill runs
Could you guys start providing an inset picture of the Gauge cluster when towing? Lots of us would like to see rpm, speed, coolant and oil temps, trans temp, etc...
Lowe towing in my nissan armada, i tow 29 ft keystone travel trailer. Plenty of power i shift manually and can do 11mpg. Only downside are the mirrors. I use fit system clip on mirrors and had to do some grinding for it to fit. My brake controler i installed couple inches higher and works perfectly. Before i forgot cruise control is mpg killer.
Order the mirrors from the Titan and put them on your Armada. They fit. Check the Armada forums for info.
In my 2019 Armada I prefer to put it in manual and shift my own gears, especially up hill. It works so much better. I tow a 24' Travel trailer in the mountains with no issues.
Y’all have the pro4x listed with 2.93 gears. I thought all pro4x and big tow packages came with the 3.36 gearing.
Great video. Nice to see a Canadian on there. Great addition!
Very interesting at 6:21 it looked like the trailer had a slide out..? Just an optical illusion the door was open..!!
That yellow Titan looks so awesome....
This new guy and Nathan need to do videos, that would be perfect
Any news on the titan warrior?
Whoah! Andre is the young version of Mr. Truck! Are they related?
2.93 axle ratio seems really high geared compared to the other trucks. 3.73s in the Ford 3.92s in the Ram and 4.30s in the Tundra for example for competitor half tons.
Why not put the Armada in Tow Mode as well. It would've definitely performed differently. But not too bad of a difference
Elmer will bring some great off road videos for the channel. Expectations are high.
I'd love to see a good Titan vs Titan XD gas test.
The new Titans look awesome. The Armada is dated, big and too bulky. Nice video.
Vintage Bitsndodads armadas are better for families while titans are better for people who like to have fun (;
The armada was updated 2years ago around the same time as the Titan how are the dated already?
@@MartinEW lol and having room to take my whole family is fun.
Glad to see a big bulky SUV instead of hatchbacks.
it looks dated to you only.
I like them both
New guy is a great addition
Does the 2018 Armarda not have tow mode? My 2019 does.
All these newer suvs with independent suspension.... Are these rear differentials holding up to towing big trailers long term?
Brad Conklin I believe this and the Expedition have been running an IRS for quite some time now. Haven’t heard too much in the way of reliability issues for the diff. If it’s built for the task I suspect it’ll be just as reliable as a stick axle.
Alan Bowers + good point
the only real problem with the independent rear suspension on some SUVs is the ones that have air ride and leveling. and it doesn't matter which brand: GM, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, etc. After a few years, they all start to have problems, and are relatively expensive to fix. But the differentials are fine. In fact, the old, original Armada actually had a stronger (Nissan built) rear diff than the original titan which had a Dana axle.
Nice video! Could you guys show the initial acceleration of the truck? Like when you start the time and you floor it. It’s good to hear the engines open up and let loose their horses!
Canadian content that will be a nice addition
measures armada height, "so let's see how these trucks squat" (@2:00). drives off down the road. (@7:15) measures armada squat. there has to be a better way to compare those numbers so it doesn't come out like a jumbled tarantino movie.
Elvis pelvis motion! 😂
Surprisingly close on the results.
What happened to the 0-60 boat tow??
Please give Stephen Elmer a comb. He looks like he just woke up and do a presentation. He is a great presenter but man he needs a make over.
You never mentioned the fuel octane?
Nathan got kicked out?
So many safety features in order to tow but always the same useless rear lights.
I love the Titan!!
If that brake controller is in the way, mount it to a different panel up higher or further out of the way of your knee. That seems like a pretty petty gripe for not having a factory controller to me.
Edd Sheeran tests cars?
Can this aftermarket brake controller be mounted elsewhere? Cause that is a HORRIBLE location.
Do Armada vs Titan rope tug war
TFL Offroad where?
Love the Canadian import....
2.93 gearing? Is that a mistype?
Where is tfl offroad going to be based? You guys need interns?
way to screw up an automatic . same reason people cry foul about 4l60e trans . not using the tow feature puts way to much strain on the torque converter and makes little use of the available gearing to keep the power where it belongs in the rpm range. Hello transmission shop!
Hehe just to show the difference between suvs and truck towing really good
Where is this "Ike Gauntlet"?
Test an argo! 8x8
I don't get it. If all the numbers were the same - why is the Armada so different from the Titan? Because of third party reviews? Wasn't the Armada doing the same shifting on the hill?
Because of wheelbase I see the towing is better with the truck, sure. Is that the reason for the discrepancy?
2.93 axle gears in the Armada?! Geeze those are high.
A Canadian! Cool.
fuel consumption ??
all you guys need is a Mexican car reviewer lol
The fact that you can tow with an Armada and it has a sunroof and the Titan doesn't really pisses me off!
Yes Nissans!
Why the armada isn't based on the titan anymore??
Elmer's a good addition. Glad to see him on the team.
i like the new guy from Canada!
Does that Titan really only have a 2.93 axle ratio?!! That is the problem right there.