The Problem With Mandalorian Armor...
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- The armor of a Mandalorian is sacred. Its a piece of equipment that has been more or less grandfathered into the culture. Today we take a look at whether Mandalorian Armor still makes sense to wear or is just a cultural tradition that is hard to let go.
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You forget the primary purpose of their armor, especially the helmets; Brand Identity. the Mandalorians understand that the key to long term survivability in the Star Wars galaxy is about making sure your toy sales are high and visage instantly recognizable. Why else do you think they adopted Grogu so readily?
👆this is the way
star wars has never incorporated branding, selling, advertising, markets, prices, costs, etc but you people have to include it. dumb comment. Im even dumber for replying to it.
Lmao
@@sithebugguy3193 wtf are u talking about bro have you literally never seen Star Wars merchandise in your life?
@@sithebugguy3193I’m pretty sure the comment is half serious, half joking. The Mandalorian culture has survived because it is an ideal and because of the recognizability of their armor.
As for stealth, here is a quote from the legends: "Whereas many soldiers preferred the inconspicuousness afforded by camouflage, Mandalorians believed in the saying, "It's one thing to see us coming, it's another to do something about it.""
Reminds me of the Imperial Fists from 40K
These guys are 7 feet tall and wear bright yellow armour
The game allows them to field stealth units. But if you're an Imperial Fists player then you're probably not even going to bother
Intimidation over stealth, can’t hate it.
That saying is getting jacked. "You're gonna know when I'm inbound. Whether you can do anything about it... That is the true question!" I love that aspect of Mandalorian ideology and their mentality towards combat.
@@MrGBH ah yes, 40k stealth units, such as ravenguard aggressors.
well they are shock troopers when operating in groups, jetpacks aren't stealthy, but they are fast, wouldn't surprise me if some of them occasionally added cloaking devices to their armor, I mean we see that forcefield bucklers are at least somewhat common,
Properly fitted armor still allows for plenty of mobility without hindrance. I've seen men do backflips and kick-ups in steel full plate. Also, in a world like Star Wars the limited field of vision can be overcome with cameras and sensors installed into the helmet.
From what I've heard, the vision wouldn't be as that big an issue even without the visor and sensors,
Dunno if its still true, but in Legends, Boba Fett's helmet afforded him 360 degree vision.
The helmets are even better than that, as it is designed to give them a full 360 degree arc of view. So you can't attack them with much of an advantage, or sneak up on them.
Yeah, look at the clone commando helmet from republic commando's game, you had almost full view with the helmet on, they had the same T-shaped visor as the Mando's
From personal experience, a properly sized and fitted Mandalorian helmet is actually really good in terms of visibility. The T-shaped slot allows a nearly full view of your peripheral vision as well as the ability to look out and down without any issues. Especially if youve got good ventilation and anti fog measures on the visor
1:51 um, actually it’s the exact opposite. Plate armor best protects against slashing weapons since you aren’t going to cut through steel, but bludgeoning weapons don’t need to penetrate the armor to deal damage. If you hit someone hard enough it doesn’t matter what helmet they’re wearing, you’re likely to cause a concussion at worst and most likely outright kill them with the right weapon.
Bludgeoning weapons are better at bypassing armor but it still helps expecially with padding or high tech varients of padding there is a reason people used highly specialised metal clubs rather then just sticks
@@killerhellhound yes that’s true, I was more so just trying to say that the best way to counter armor is often with bludgeoning attacks, I wasn’t trying to imply it doesn’t help at all against bludgeoning attacks. I probably could have worded that better
Maybe if they reinforced their suit’s joints with some kind of shock adorning or ridged lock frame, they would be better suited.
@@adamstadick2044 I may have been snippy and Im sorry for that I just get annoyed when people discount how protective armor can be
Like people who say it would be better to not wear armor because you still get hurt wearing it. An injury being turned from lethal to painful is a big improvement that some people dont realise
@@wastelesslearning1245 given the impacts that Din alone has tanked without injury (rhino monster anyone) there is some sort of impact dampening in the armor.
Which makes sense because if the armor just needed the right heat and moulding to make the mandalorian armourers wouldnt need to be so skilled to craft it and the secret would be easy to discover with any amount of the stuff
Beskar - the Star Wars variant of Vibranium except less glowy and showoff.
Except not all beskar is made the same
Beskar alloy or even durasteel isn't blaster or lightsaber proof like the pure stuff is
Vibranium dosnt even glow bro, and beskar is shinier. If your refering to black panther, its the energy glowing inside of the vibranium suit that Shurri made, but the vibranim is not glowing. And if you look at captain americas shield, it isnt shinier than mando armor. SOoooo.....IDK
I didn’t mean for this comment to sound evil and dubious.
The reason VIBRANIUM glows in the Black Panther movies is due to the kinetic energy from blows being absorbed by the metal being channeled through the suit with circuitry also made of vibranium! Beskar doesn’t absorb as much as it dissipates the energy from attacks through its INTENSE RIGIDITY! 🤓 May the force be with you as you walk The Way of the Manda’lor. Wakanda Forever !!
@@homer6292 this has been a plot point since like the 90’s dude. What are you saying.
Catastrophic error: "Better off not wearing a helmet" - this is NEVER the case. If a blow does damage THROUGH a helmet DESIGNED TO PROTECT YOUR HEAD, it will always be much worse without that helmet.
Yep. Plus, helmets are usually designed to protect from shrapnel, and you shouldn't be taking shots to the head anyway, if you can help it. Though if you do, as mentioned, it's much better than *not* having one at all, you know?
@@Altarahhn Unless it was provided by the Russian Army...
@@kylie_h1978 Yeah, maybe.
@@Altarahhn a) propperly designed helmets are fitted with some form of shock absorbant materials to dampen the impact on the head.
b) there is only a very small range between "injury were im happy i had my helmet" and "injury that insta killed despite helmet" were you would be happy to not have worn a helmet.
Compare that to the 90% of injurys that can hurt your head beadly when you are not wearing a helmet...
so yeah... ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET! (when there is a chance of combat)
In addition the helmet houses your primary comunication devices, HUD and other information utilitys...
@@vyran7044 Definitely, helmets are important, so dodge take them off on duty, right? Thanks for the tidbits!
Remember, Beskar armor only weighed an average of about 22 pounds (10 kilograms). Current military loadouts weigh an average of 60-65 pounds, so it's actually really light for combat armor, especially for how effective it is. Certainly heavier than not wearing armor, but considering their typical careers, and Mandalore's violent history, I'd say the armor is perfectly fine as-is. Maybe add some plates in the less-armored areas like under the arms. Blending in is not necessarily required, since the armor is an advertisement for the Mandalorian mercenary groups. Also, if you try to attack a Mandalorian, you're effectively signing your own death warrant. There might be an argument there if we were talking about the New Mandalorian faction, but they were wiped out during the Purge.
Edit: Mandalorian style helmets actually don't impact your vision very much, if at all. Plus, they have integrated HUDs to assist in aiming, as well as situational awareness. And as for the plasteel argument... At least with the Mandalorians we've seen so far, the vast majority are implied or outright stated to have actual Beskar armor. We don't know exactly what the Covert's armor is made of, but considering they have a Beskar forge at all times, and the Armorer's attitude, I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that they're decked out in full Beskar.
They all have beskar helm, but some may have more beskar armor pieces. It seems to be done by a "Earn the beskar armor" method with the rest having various other metals of armor.
Also yeah, a lot of people think plate armor is heavy when it's not that heavy and it's built to be spread out and carried easily by the person.
well if you remember correctly, in the first season of the mandalorian, Din Djarin just had a durasteel armor, only his helmet was actual beskar. If I remember correctly in Legends (and maybe cannon), due to the scarcity of Beskar, mandalorians were using an alloy of Durasteel and Beskar for their armor. not as durable as pure beskar but better than durasteel.
Barbute type helmets actually help focus vision and provide excellent face n neck protection. Its why they were so popular in pre-Rome (the Armorer, Bo Katan) and kept making a comeback.
also, unless they are a member of that one stupid faction, they can just take of the helmet and jetpack, put on a baggy set of cloths/a long coat/robe or something along those lines OVER the remaining armor and voila you have a buff guy that doesnt stand out to much.
Even better if you usually do wear your helmet since that means your face is less known and people are on the lookout for the helmet wearing idiot.
Eh yes and no. SOME who were around from before the purge might have full beskar, but in old legends and even Canon for example, Boba fetts armor is durasteel I'm pretty sure, but since beskar is so rare in these times I'd say the only thing FOR CERTAIN that's beskar would be their helmets, and the lucky or older ones might have more or fuller beskar armor.
Basically, a lot of them wear a mix of beskar and other metals.
Fun fact, blunt weapons were what was most affective against plate armor.
True, though I think he might have meant they were much better at protecting against blunt force compared to other armors.
Sure, plate is still not as protective against blunt compared to cutting/slashing, but it protects you better against blunt than anything else in the time period. So if your enemy had a mace, you'd rather be in plate than chainmail, though of course, the rise in plate saw the rise in blunt weapons too.
Wrong, high yield thermonuclear weapons were more effective than blunt weapons against plate armor.
@@KrautSpaceMagic You'd better be using those from orbit or I'm gonna make plate armor out of you the same way.
@@joykillz7431 good luck, neckbeard weapons suck anyway
@@KrautSpaceMagic ya make a joke based on blatant overkill, then you don't but the dots togeather for the "nuke it from orbit" joke when someone mentions orbit. 😶
5:49 Din Djarin would have retaliated by removing Paz Vizla's helmet to reveal Jon Favreau underneath.
Seeing how Din Djarin's armor is one the things blasters can hit most consistently, Beskar could act as a magnet to attract blaster bolts, giving more coverage for otherwise exposed areas, which in turn allows for more mobility. A pretty genius design actually.
He needs s big codpiece if that’s true!
The helmet has a lot of uses. I'm assuming smoke filters, and glare filters are integrated. Beyond that, the chestplate for the vital areas DOES seem to be the only universal plating.
Look at the armoured, she wares much lighter armour. On the other end, we have Pz Vizsla, who wears extensive armour. As you say, it varies.
more than that, their armor can also function as a short term EVA suit, at least some of them can.
Also, you have din djarin, who is wearing PLOT ARMOR!!!
Beskar isn't heavy; A complete set of Beskar Armor/Armament is only ~10 kilograms according to Wookieepedia. We saw a bunch of mandos scale the side of a cliff in full armor so I'm pretty sure Beskar being lightweight is cannon. The Helmets are basically an Iron-Man helmet with full range of sight not just the visor slit. We've seen the first person PoV a few times in the show.
Why did din jarin sink so fast in the living waters though?
@@JebFromWarmDays 10 kg is still 22lbs it's more like titanium than vibranium. Swimming with 22 lb weights would be really hard. He was also just tortured, had his blood drained and only sat down for 10 minutes.
@@JebFromWarmDays He didn't. He was pulled down.
@@waraidako by what? He’s just lying alone when Bo rescues him. He wasn’t able to resurface bc he took his jet pack off
@@JebFromWarmDays Mythosaur.
The Armorer : You know I love plate armor but just how much downtime it necessitates after combat is a real pain.
Dr. Halsey : * laughs in Micro-fusion equipped powered assault exo-skeleton *
That’s why lamellar evolved. As did scale n chain
9:15 Good thing that Pedro Pascal wore a helmet this time and it saved his life and face.
Course you also have the Cathar and the Echani, old enemies of the Mandalorians who primarily focused on skill with melee weapons like the Jedi. Course who knows how canon they are anymore.
Lucas hates the idea of vibroswords, and personal energy shielding fell out of use, so the Echani are probably gonna be ignored, and the Cathar always seemed to stay in KOTOR/SWTOR
Man in KotOR energy shields are the best. I always use them lol
I always wondered why they were never in more cannon stories.
@PineapplePaperCrafts the Echani still use them with their preference for a lack of armor, but I imagine it just either got too expensive to mass produce or weaponry just kept getting too powerful for them. They apparently always had energy and overheating problems, and you can have them on for a few minutes of melee combat, but even a few minutes of protection in a firefight could be invaluable if used right.
They were always more popular in times of war between Jedi and Sith due to the prevalence of lightsabers. One of the only way regular folks could survive a blow or three. Looking it up, apparently they're in minor use for elite units but now pose radiation risk to organics?
Reading through the wiki, knowledge on how to make them might have also been lost, but it's not like the Echani, Arkanians, or Verpine weren't a thing anymore...
personal shielding is one of those things that just breaks the entire franchise because now you have to ask why doesnt everyone use it? even if u say its expensive theres plenty of people who would have the money anyways or the ability to get one. theres ways to fix it but its mostly just nerfing it to the point its not useful anyways as a common tech.
@@blakeetter280 yeah their answer became radiation poisoning among other things. It's still in use in canon, apparently, but only amongst elite special forces type units.
It was basically an arms race between blasters and energy shields. Blasters won, shields that protect against modern blasters require giant power sources and output insane amounts of radiation.
I think you should design (for us) your ideal Mando Armour. Yes, you blew blaster holes thru their design, but now that the problem is out in the open...improve it, Steve! \m/
Blasters dont make holes they leave burns and scorch marks......couldn't let that slide
Unless one is a stormtrooper…
Wait who's Steve ? The channel owner's named Allen
Your videos are always amazing, just discovered you and love your theories. Keep up the amazing work!
He did take a lot of shots in the first seasons, I think it was more plot building as they really wanted to hammer home how strong beskar was but to be fair he usually was eating blaster shots when he was doing something “heroic” like distracting the storm troopers in the hallway and taking all their shots or when he distracted Fennec Shand and she shot him and the other guy was able to sneak around and capture her
For mobility, I doubt people will outruns a jet pack, singing birds (which can round corners), and blaster bolts. I’m pretty sure like the clones, the Mandolorian got internal AC in their so heat stroke is not much of a issue.
Still perhaps a power armor or hover weight reduction assist system would help even more with mobility.
My main problem is like you said they have virtually no stealth or espionage options. Perhaps by adopting a holographic personal energy field (like the ones that already exist in starwars) and a voice emulators like in their helmet, they can make themselves look like whoever, blend in, and surprise.
Paint n local vegetation… as always. DinnDjarin… no, just, no.
@@howarddavis8369 camo paint would indeed be a way. I hope we see a Mandolorian sect who takes battle field optimization even more seriously then the rest. Or a stealth Mandolorian sect.
As usual, awesome video - thanks for posting.
Beskar is lighter and stronger than other metals. It hardly slows or weighs them down. Also, most Mandalorians paint their armor. So it really doesn't give them away.
I believe beskar is denser and heavier then normal dura-steel
Top grade beskar’gaim is heavier than durasteel armor, but it’s vastly superior strength and durability negate any weight disadvantages.
@@hunterskidmore1672 sort of. With the addition of carbon it is lighter. Just by itself it’s heavier. My understanding is mandalorian armor is made with carbon.
@bio kido you can make it lighter that way, yes. But if you do that makes it much less effective as armor
@@hunterskidmore1672 apparently it retains its toughness
A lot of what you said has been dispelled this season. Their equipment does work under water, the tech in the suits covers for the vision issues and Beskar is a high density, low weight allow.
10:30 Can confirm when I was just getting to my unit for the Oho Army National Guard and was being issued my gear there were a couple of guys who were helping me to assemble it all together and inventorying it. The minute that we came across the groin protector one of the guys immediately removed it from the gear pile and tossed it aside saying no one here ever uses this thing and you don't need to either lol
Yeah, everyone knows groin shots are off limits, even for the bad guys.
@@robblincoln2152 shots sure 🤭how about from the knees of that lady whose unimpressed with your Jarhead arrogance thinking you da best lay she'll have 🤣🤣🤣
I gotta know why the groin protector was even a thing, it wasn’t exactly a plate or anything so it could only stop pistol rounds (MAYBE) and it’s very unlikely you’ll be injured in the groin. Maybe as protective padding for explosive shock waves but that’s a stretch too imo.
Shadiversity actually did a breakdown of mando armor too, and gave it high praises since it protects from everything including lightsabers and is relatively light and allows for great movement, so it isn’t cumbersome or inhibiting
There are many issues i have with some of your takes in this video so I'm just gonna make a list lol. I started this pretty late in the video but these are the things i can think of off the top of my head. I eventually might go back and rewatch the first part to get the full take and update this.
-I wouldn't go so far to say that the Jedi easily beat the mandalorians.
-The whole not-blending-in thing is part of their identity, they are known as the toughest warriors in the galaxy and are proud of that. There's no need to hide in a general setting when you're the best of the best and you don't mind proving it at any point and time.
-Internal armor temperature control was used in the cold weather armor by the galactic marines, so I'm sure mandalorians have that as well in a objectively better and more advanced set of armor. They already can hermetically seal their helmets and shown in Rebels their whole armor set with their undersuit so temperature control doesn't seem that much of a stretch for their armor. Just because the plates on some sets are thousands of years old doesn't mean the rest of it is also that old. Armor is retrofitted and upgraded with each user
-Iron sights in star wars are a moot point, most higher-end helmets have some version of a smart link to their blasters, giving you a reticle to aim with. Considering Mandalorian helmets are the pinnacle of infantry armor it goes without saying they have that. Also many mandalorian helmets can see more than just what their visor shows, in legends Boba Fett's helmet had 360 degrees of vision. While this hasn't been confirmed as a thing in canon, it stands to reason that more helmets that just his have that. Purely speculation but reasonable speculation. In every medium we've seen Mandalorians have also had no issues using optics on weapons as well on their weapons. Additionally, many of the best helmets in star wars have worse vision than not wearing a full-faced helmet, but you gain alot of protection and other advantages with the full faced helmets. Look at clone and storm trooper armor, they have similar limitations, without some of the advantages that the mandalorian helmets have.
-Mandalorians don't wear jetpacks because their armor is heavy, jetpacks give you a massive advantage on the battlefield. From initial deployment options to moving across difficult terrain and quick relocation, those are all massive advantages of jetpacks not even considering the direct combat advantages you gain as well. Mandalorians move quite well for how much armor they are wearing without ever needing the assistance of their jetpacks, and full suits of armor are quite standard in the star wars universe. In legends, a full suit of mandalorian armor only weighs alittle over 22lbs (10Kg) on average which is actually fairly light. Granted, there are other sources that state that Beskar is heavy so the answer isn't super clear on it, but in every medium we have seen mandalorians have no movement issues while wearing a full set of Beskar, so the jetpack is not required for good movement.
Yeah. I love the channel, but this video gets a lot of stuff wrong about armor in general and more so about hyper advanced Star Wars/Mandalorian armor.
@@KillamriX98 Unfortunately that is true, he has alot of incorrect takes/facts on here
Great vid GenTech, fascinating info.
the point you make the point about Mandalorians being tanks, is true... So were knights in plate armor, they literally had fighting strategies that revolved around the calculated taking of hits, and reprisals. They were literally the tank of their day, and they were very hard to kill.
You make great SW content bro glad I found ya channel.
Alan, your assessment of weight is there but if an armor set is properly fitted to the person it melds with the user. As a hobby, I do medieval combat fighting and my kit has well fitted armor and have full mobility. Sure using a firearm could be cumbersome using iron sights but I'm sure the Helmet has a targeting apparatus to allow the modification. All said, great video as always mate!
You need to remember, Mandalorian culture is "I like them to know I'm coming and they can't do anything about it" and their older crusader suits really did better at portraying that, but I feel it still holds up in present as the Warriors inside are already so powerful
Cloaked/hooded fully armored knights is a great aesthetic. As far as laying low(er) is concerned, a robe could do a lot for a mandalorian. Could be a fire hazard though, what with the wrist mounted flamethrower and jetpack.
Beskar isn't limited to just Mandalorians. Someone had the skill and desire to make that spear.
I for one, want it to be the Echani 😂
ooooo new upload always good
Ever since the series began I have been trying to get an idea of what clothing they wear beneath it. There are clearly several layers' worth, perhaps constructed of weapon-resistant fabric. Something like a Mandalorian paper doll would show the layers. This could have been done in the book "The Art of the Mandalorian" but wasn't.
Din, like all heroes in shows, have plot armor. But his armor is literal. He is literally wearing a suit that is on the level of story plot armor.
What's the name of movie or video @2:07? The Woman flying a jetpack?
Love it!!! ❤️
does anyone know the name of the cartoon that a clip of is shown where Sabine and I am assuming her brother are standing below a statue of I would guess the one who made the Dark Sabre. It is a completely different animation style than Rebels.
Forces of destiny
Medieval plate armor was specifically effective to protect from bladed weapons, blunt impacts were actually a weakness
That's why it was worn with padding underneath.
Well, a "weakness"
Plate armor was much better than other armors at protecting against blunt impacts too, since it spread the impact over a much larger area than chain or padding alone would. The padding just helps with shock afterwards.
It doesn't make it not able to injure you, but definitely not enough to get you quickly. Blunt force was just the only thing left that was remotely effective.
@@FarremShamist weakness is defined as a quality regarded as a shortcoming. Armor is meant to protect, plate armor protects well from bladed attacks, but comes short of that protecting from blunt attacks.
@@mandoalessonsbackup While is this a very often repeated claim, just read through this thread, it's not actually entirely true.
You need to remember that Armour vs Weapons was an arms race, and so while blunt weapons were created to deal with plate armour, that just led to armour which was designed to be stronger against blunt weapons. Things like adding in creases and fluting made the armour harder to crush so that blunt force would not be transferred directly to the wearer, but would be absorbed by the entire armour.
If blunt weapons were the bane of plate armour, then we'd have seen a switch to blunt weapons as the main weapon against armoured opponents on the battlefield, and a drop off of using plate armour as a result, but we don't. Instead, we see weapons such as tapered swords, stiletto daggers, and other thin-bladed weapons that were designed to penetrate the gaps in the armour and through visors. We also find that the tactics again an armoured foe were generally either a case of getting them on the ground and stabbing them where the armour was lacking, or stabbing them with a thin blade in those same places, rather than bashing them with a mace or hammer to do blunt trauma through the armour.
What did change the way that plate armour was used was the introduction of more powerful firearms where the weight caused by thickening the chest plate would eventually outweigh any benefit it gave in protection. Once that occurred soldiers started to ditch the amour until we have been left with the lightweight body armour we have today.
@@kylie_h1978 so essentially, it had a quality that was considered short of expectation, ie a weakness, so the armor upgraded to not have as big of that weakness. Why is everyone being so pedantic in this thread? GT said plate armor was particularly effective against blunt impacts weapons, especially maces, I simply corrected that. But plate armor wasn't particularly effective for blunt impacts, it was generally effective, but not as effective, thus considered a weakness. This led to people holding their sworf backwards, to strike with the guard/pommel to deliver blunt damage. As well as half swording to aim for gaps like you said, though technically stabbing gaps is effective against any armor, bc youre aiming where there isn't armor.
A dead dolphin carcus could provide cover, concealment, and a meal when you get the munchies!!!
The first thing that happens when you put a warrior in armour is that they start taking hits. That's the point of the armour. Defending against blows is only useful if those blows can damage you, otherwise it's preferable to seize the opportunity to strike back and defeat your enemy.
the mace and other blunt weapons or halberds were developed as a response to armour that was harder to cut or stab
What movie is the scene with the knights and cavalry from?
A multi-layer woven beskar mesh would likely provide more protection from blaster fire while being lighter and easier to move in.
Thanks Steve!
Wow Steve, way to go!
What were those clips of "medieval" warfare from ???
Beskar is lighter than full plate and these people have also been wearing them their whole lives. They’re probably used to it and it probably doesn’t feel too different from how regular clothing would feel for us
More effective armor = good. But it depends on the mission. Assaulting an enemy stronghold? Urban warfare? In-building fighting? Mounted infantry operations? Boarding actions? Armor up! You don't have to go so far on foot and you'll be getting shot at ALOT and from many directions.
Foot patrol over several kilometers in the mountains? Travel through swamps? Need higher mobility? Less armor. Generally you want more armor when fighting, but there are exceptions. Like when armor isn't that effective or the only effective armor restricts your movement to the point where operational capability suffers.
not to mention that beskar cup is hell to take a leak with.
I miss the big catan set in the background
Hah i literally opened my phone like "i wonder what generation tech is up to" and this vid was at the top of my youtube notifications
Jango was probably the only one to truly keep a low profile switching out of his Mandalorian gear from time to time by his choice (specifically excluding Boba Fett without his armor, because it was not his choice)
Alan was great and funny as usual
what Mandalorian armour needs is power, powered armour is the key to making it effective, utilizing internally powered servos to drive the unit, and turning it into mechanized power armour. Once you have mechanized power armour you step up to making a warrior who is close to being invulnerable.
one thing wrong with the statement on plate armor, blunt weapons and spike weapons where the bane of armor, what it was good at protecting from was arrows, swords and axes
its why maces and warpicks where used against armor and daggers where used to slip between the gaps
Is that a fireteam of Thai soldiers/marines at 6:21?
Actually, as someone who wears armor occasionally, I don't find their armors to be all that restrictive. In fact, I am more bothered with all the gaps their armors have. Granted, they are still covered with Armorweave or some other type of protective material, but I'd still be more comfortable with a little more coverage, personally (the fact that Boba Fett barely has any leg armor - essentially just poleyns/knee guards - is very bothersome to me). Rather, their armors seem to be made to be comfortable enough to be worn at all times without much in the way of restricting movement, with a few exceptions (most notably Paz Vizsla). Moreover, their helmets have an integrated HUD which allows them to have their full field of vision, and actually grants them enhanced vision modes (we've even seen it in the series). I agree that shoulder guards make shouldering a weapon all that more difficult, but Mandalorian armor usually has a relatively large gap between their chest plates and spaulders where I suppose they can shoulder their rifles with relative ease. We do see Din Djarin shoulder his sniper rifle under his arm quite readily on several occasions. Regarding impact force, the armor seems to have some integrated high-tech underlayer which I believe might act as intertia dampers. That would explain why Mandos don't seem affected as much by various impacts. As for heat stroke, with their level of technology, proper ventilation/temperature management should be of very little concern.
There is variety with Mandalorians. Heavy gunners, and if you follow SWKOTOR, stealth field generators. All of them have an armament though and the skills of how to use them.
how do we know the armor is heavy ?
The scene where the armoured knights get run over by cavalry. Where is it from?
What we don't know is what specific tech is built into the helmet, they may never need to make use of iron sights due to some AI feature within the helm that puts a crosshair on wherever the barrel of whatever weapon they are holding, is pointed. Also, the point you make about taking a hit is the last option. That is true for the armour we use, because it can be overcome, but Beskar is impenetrable, this means that adds to your available options in the field. Charging in the front is a viable option if the armour shrugs off the shots. As for concussion, that assumes the helm doesn't have some way to stabilize the head. This is scifi tech, they could have some form of inertial dampener built into the helm the prevents the kinetic energy from getting past the surface. Add to the other tools in the helm, various level of light frequency scanning, communications, air filtration, and more. This makes them more than symbolic, it makes them functional. As for blending in, that is not helpful to them. Their primary tool for negotiation is in being Mandalorian, they embrace the solo warrior ideology, they aren't going to be subtle when they come.
You are right that they are not soldiers, but warriors, and that means they are not assassins nor thieves either. They don't see the value in 'blending in'.
I appreciate that you admitted you were Neil Degrass Tysoning at the beginning
the pauldrons are on a hinge at the top, its not just stuck to his shoulder
Heavy armour is one of my favourite bits of equipment in video games and I prefer not to blend in. Green smoke grenades and IR goggles solve close range situations, and the sniper rifle-rocket launcher combo has rarely failed me in ranged engagements. I can make ~1500 meter shots without too much difficulty. It usually takes a large vehicle to get rid of me, and i think thats a fair trade.
Is their armor actually heavy though? They always seem to have some kind of tech and wiring under the bigger pieces. Even grogu's rondel. I think they have repulsars in the bigger plates at least. Plus the smaller plates are actually pretty thin. The bulk comes from the connectors woven into the clothes underneath.
When din gave his armour to cara dune in a big duffel they made it seem like it was pretty light.
unless it is stated somewhere (idk as don't read into cannon/lore material), there is an argument that Bescar is actually light weight and so doesn't actually make the madalorians that heavy. yeah, maybe its more heavy then the clone trooper kind of armour, but it may not be much heavier, and the protection is better then the clone commando armour, so I'd say its a trade off that's necessary, at least for the madalorians who are constantly ready for a fight
i was under the impression that the armour came from beskar stands up to light sabers.
Were their any other metals and armors that rival mandlaorian iron and armor?
The clone commandos armor, the katarn armor was really strong
@@tito_230 I know some other metals like phrix, cortassa, and few others but those were even rare than beskar. (I apologize if butchered some of those names)
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What’s the dolphin thing about?
Who are the red armour troops? Is that the same as mandalorian plates
In addition to the impact and heat resistance, I believe that the suits of armor worn by the Mandalorians also have inertial dampening capabilities. Din showed this when he was rammed head-on by the mud horn and fell 50+ feet onto his back and just got up and walked it off. I also think that there is some feature in the armor that actually draws blaster bolts to the armor, so that’s how they never get shot in the gaps.
Is that armor magnetic 🧲?
Those weren't tanks in the video at 6:55. They were self propelled guns, not the same thing but common enough mistake. Just had to point that out with everyone calling every military vehicle with a turreted gun, a tank now aday.
Tanks in DND and Tanks in actual application couldn't be more different. A good tank has been a balance of the three most important factors Protection, Mobility, and Firepower. You can't say a Mandalorian in 10kg of armor is clunky, and has little offensive capabilities. You can say the same about Modern MBT's.
And about TK armour i never saw them take more than 1 blaster bolt as for mandalorian armour finale BoBF they took blaster bolts from every angle and diffrent caliber. But the armour was created to battle a force user jedi/sith to combat against a lightsaber
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I don’t get all the open spaces between the armor plates, it almost looks kinda cheap at times
Thing is. The Empire made sure all the Beskardeposits on Mandalore got destroyed or strip mined...so there's no new Beskar to produce a new generation of armor. You could say they're a dying culture after thousands of years of unsuccessful wars against the Republic/ Jedi/ Empire. - Regarding the field of view in the helmet. It's basically unhindered. The Mandalorian style helmet is a derivative of the Italian barbuta helmet, it was used by crossbowmen among others so you can use shoulder arms with iron sites just fine with them.
I think they more rely on the branding the armor provides and the power of that brand instead of camouflage. Most people won't stand and fight a superior (precieved or actual) when running is the better choice. If you're tagret is running they're less likely to be able to mount an effective defense.
I’d like to bring to your attention that super commando style of armor is lighter weight because it’s thinner but it’s also pure Bhaskar some nothing Pierce is it
Plate armor was weak to blunt weapons, a hammer or mace of some kind was often used specifically for armored opponents because of the concussive effect, and it would do more damage to the armor than other weapons as well. Plate armor protected very well from sharp pokey and slicey weapons like swords, spears, axes, etc. But if someone has a nice hammer to hit you on the head with you aren't having a good time. Also, plate armor wasn't that heavy, the main issue was reduced range of motion and your senses being dulled like the visor obscuring your vision, it being harder to hear with the big helmet on, and not being able to feel texture or anything of what you were holding on to if you had full metal gauntlets or whatnot. You can still run and do some acrobatic shit in full armor, it just takes some muscle and coordination.
We don’t know if bescar is heavy. I always assumed that it must be light and comfortable since mandos always where it.
That groin protector your referencing, I only know one person whose ever worn it and he was a driver, you should've seen him try to run in that thing. It's only rated for shrapnel and at most could stop a 9mm with some hopes and prayers. Definitely not worth the lack of mobility the added "protection" offers.
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A non-canon depiction but the Mando Crusader armor is cool
Well the reason that people dont wear heavy personal armor these days is because at the end of the day, it cant tank more than a handfull of shots, at least by my understanding. Thus mobility is highly important. Mandalorians equiped with beskar can shrug of a company's worth of blaster fire and not be wounded. Stealth wise they have (or at least had) stealth feild generators. The beskar too usually would be painted over. Din is a flashy dude and doesnt paint his hearldry on his armor, he just leaves it blank. The helmet stays. It has a sensor suite comms, night and thermal vision as well as being blaster proof. And dont you dare attack the jetpack. They really just keep using the same armor, not just becasue of tradition, but also because in the last 10000 years, still no one has actually found a counter to blaster proof armor. And it came out when personal energy sheilds were still a thing.
LOOK at some point a drill instructor was pissed at a rookie for taking of his helmet. made an example of him taped the helmet to his head. Then they got wiped out and that rookie was the only survivor of the unit. teaching his punishment as creed. and that is frankly how religions get started.
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I make CZcams videos where I bring characters from other media into D&D. When I did Din Djarin I needed to make him have all the weapons of a Mandalorian while being a tank, and that is actually pretty limiting. In the end yeah he had an amazing armor class and had every weapon he could want, but if he gets hit he isn't going to be standing very long. In the end all he can do is wade into combat, unleash hell, and pray that he will not be overwhelmed
Beskar is only indestructible when the plot needs it to be. When the wearer is no longer important (Gar Saxon), the beskar decides to not be invulnerable.
Helmets may not protect you from a direct hit from an assault rifle round (though there are accounts of just that), but they are crackerjack at stopping slower debris and shrapnel from ringing your bell and putting you out of the fight.
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Maces and clubs are preferred against people in plate armor. That’s why the murder stroke exists. You grip your sword by the blade and bash the enemy with the guard or pommel. It looks silly but the sword becomes an improvised club and is much more effective at dealing with people in plate armor. Knights could be knocked unconscious and either finished off or captured. Capturing knights was the preferred option as knights were very valuable warriors and could be ransomed for a lot of money and/or resources.
There were swords with tapered tips that were good at stabbing through the gaps of plate armor, but this was more of an improvisation. A pole-hammer or pole-axe will make quick work of an armored knight.
A cape and a jet pack seem like a bad combination
2:08 Can someone please tell me where this scene came from?
I would like to know to, I don't recognise it. Anyone?
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1:49 actually the opposite. Plate armor was better against sharp weapons, really the only effective way to dispatch someone wearing full plate armor was with blunt weapons or attacking a weak spot or a cavalry charge or crossbow. Padding was worn under the armor to defend against blunt impact.
On the weight part, I don't think beskar is all that dense. The entirety of Din's suit, sans helmet, was contained in a small canister he could carry in one hand with leftovers. While I do agree it is not suited for swimming, I still believe it is not any heavier than a low grade ballistic vest.
And as for blut trauma and plate, the armor did its job by distributing the force across a wider surface, its the formation of the armor that did the work, bending a joint would lock it, or if you managed to cave the plate enough the wearer could suffocate.
But is beskar heavy?
Considering din was carrying a canister that had his armor's metal in it with one hand probably not exactly as dense as say tungsten, or even copper, might be around the density of titanium or aluminum for all we know. Perhaps even iron.
If Mandolorian ever got their hands on the design for the Goliath powered armor from the Expense I feel like this would solve like 95% of their problem would be solved . The powered exoskeleton would off set the what would be the undoubtably significant weight of full covered beskar armor . The insane sensor that allow them perfect 360 degree view and even seeing kilometres away would vastly improve their accuracy and awareness , the built in multiple guided rpg’s would help even against aircraft . Although I am guessing that nearly half a ton of beskar would so expensive you might as well buy a Star Destroyer