Did Spider-Gwen DOOM Her Universe?!
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2023
- Today on Phase Zero, Host Brandon Davis is bring up a shocking new theory in the wake of the events in Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, and specifically the actions of Spider-Gwen in the movie...and how according to Spider-Man 2099...Gwen may have just doomed her entire universe.
Spoilers ahead as we talk about some major pot points in Across the Spider-Verse!
So if Gwen's father had to be come Captain of the police force and die in the line of duty to keep her universe from unraveling...did her speech that convinced him not to take the job and not get killed in the lune of duty just doom her entire universe by changing a "canon" event? Find out what Gwen may have just triggered the end of her own universe as we break down the new theory from Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse!
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It's possible that Miguel just doesn't entirely understand the rules. Miles may be an anomaly, but he's also proof that universes can "rewrite" canon to adapt to some extra-planar changes, in this case, Kingpin messing with the multiverse.
The only other canon breaks we've seen is Miguel's, of which he was an outsider internationally breaking canon of a universe for a long period of time (perhaps a universe couldn't compensate that much), and Pativr's universe... but if you pay attention, the dimensional rift that was forming isn't from Miles's actions. The building that was faling was being consumed by Spot's interdimensional goop, and its crash-site became the rift. Spot's to blame for that, not Miles.
Been calling out that spot problem a while it’s like people are blind
Or maybe that weird black thingy wasn't even because of the spot it was the reactor or whatever it's called, it was going to explode anyway and spot only took the opportunity to go inside it before it explodes
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
One thing I don’t get- if miles is an anomaly, wouldn’t that make pativr’s captain dying an anomaly as spot is from another universe much like mile’s spider was?
@@aimsanimations2905 no bc the captain dying is a "canon event" even though the canon event thing is just some bullshit thing miguel made up to cope with shit
The "miles taught me anything is possible" makes me think she found a way to 'break the curse' and get away with altering the universe.
Cause miles is gonna die
@@Clownk1ller get that vudu shit outta here
@@Clownk1llerstupid
that or miguel was just wrong about it
@@maple22moose44Not wrong, but been lying the whole time
I think the fact that Gwen's dad can't die anymore as the proof that Miguel's canon events theory is incorrect, giving Miles a chance to save his father
Sort of but ok here so Gwen's dad won't die but another officer will die in her universe see what I mean.
@@dragonzulu3895 idk about that, the captain who dies has to be close to the spider-person. Unless she befriends a police captain nobody dies
I thought in gwens universe her perter Parker was her sacrifice/loss not her father
Just like uncle was his sacrifice/loss
@@DavidTheBulldog i assume you haven't seen the movie yet
I saw a cam of it I’m saying maybe they are wrong about captan close to Spider-Man MUST die
Let’s be real Miguel is either hiding something or doesn’t fully understand how canon events work. Gwen is an anomaly simply by being Gwen. She even admits what happens to the other Gwen Stacys. Pavitr’s canon event was stopped, and Peter has a child. So either more variation can be allowed then he thinks or he’s hiding something.
Yeah, and keep in mind, Miguel could be anomaly himself.
He was never bitten by a spider.
Even Penny Parker, she wasn’t bitten by a spider either as far as I remember.
Hey, where the other spiderman 2099s? We got plenty of peter variations, variations from different stages of his life, variations almost identical to each other. But whys there only 1 Miguel O'Hara? What if he's the anomaly messing with the universe
@@sof7068 there’s a difference between anomalies and variants. Earth-42 miles could act exactly like our miles but because the spider is of the same universe as him that would make him a spiderman variant. Due to the fact that the spider jumped dimensions and bit Miles that now makes him an anomaly because he was influenced by something outside of his dimension. However this literally applies to every single member of the spider society. Because they’ve all been to different dimensions, experienced things and have memories that would be impossible to gather in their own dimensions they are now all anomalies because they’ve all be influenced interdimensionally.
@@sof7068Miguel kinda *is* an anomaly- he tried to replace himself and that killed a whole ass timeline. I think for the best of his knowledge and fear, he's right, and the only way to find out differently is for something different to work out
@@sof7068pretty sure in the first movie penny was bitten by the spider that is in her robot suit, though with this spider she has some telephony with the spider which they became friends
Miles’ face when he found out about the betrayal was immaculate. It showed Miles’ change from being pushed around by those in authority, to him taking control. We see this just a few seconds later where Miles stops holding back on Miguel, and his attack become more savage, reminiscent of the Prowler, his original fate as a character.
“Nah, imma do my own thing.”
-Mile Morales
My thoughts:
I believe her world is safe bcz Spiderman 2099 mentions that becoming the captain pretty much guarantees themselves to die. But with her Dad not becoming Captain, you can see her face after she finds out, she look relieved and much more relaxed knowing he's not.
I believe her father becoming a captain is a canon event.
bro people don't realize that's how you can actually save miles dad cause he is about to become capitain so if he is not a captain anymore he does not die just like gwen's dad
All of you guys Gwen's dad won't die but another person most likely another chief officer will die
@@Yuhzoka But the universe will collapse.
@@Yuhzoka no cause its a canon that he becomes if he doesnt her universe will collapse
My theory is the since miguel tried to replace a version of himself in another universe that universe tried to erase HIM since he was tampering with things that was CANON to THAT universe. While the rest are events that if slightly altered will be corrected easily like with miles becoming spider-man and peter dying, its not about the captain dying or whatever, its about keeping this insane control over others since he couldn’t control the outcome in TWO universes making him seek out this backwards way of thinking and making sure events (that could be prevented) happen because he wants other spider man to feel what he felt.
I cant really explain what is happening in Pav’s universe but it just seems weird that he wants these things to happen when we can see everything can turn out alright without erasing everything.
well said 👏🏻
What's happening in Pav's universe is because of Spot becoming an extra dimensional super being and tampering with the Alchemex Goober. The hole at the crash site resembles a Spot Hole and doesn't at all look like the canon break Miguel Experienced, in which the universe erased itself due to Miguel's tampering with it.
I don't think Miguel is doing it so that other spider people experience what he did. He's probably doing it out of sheer terror. Even if you're superhuman, watching a universe collapse, let alone causing it will leave you with some kind of trauma. He misunderstood what happened with the universe he tried to live in, what he caused was more like an incursion because he stayed in that universe.
I think its more like when a character from a different universe alters the fate of a different universe
The spiderverse considers it as corrupted and eliminates it
Basically like a program with a pre determined outcome fed to its algorithm by the and when that pre determined outcome doesn't show up because a DIFFERENT operator meddles with it, it tries to rectify the error
@@jackiejackyjaqy...7219 understandable,this is what i'm confusing about, about miguel's mind
Actually, this change happened because of a multiverse experience, if Shakespears' vulture wouldn't show up, then Miguel wouldn't show up; which ultimately wouldn't place Gwen with the decision to unmasked herself in front of her father so he wouldnt shoot her. An anomaly caused indirectly by Miguel.
I mean the crew gets notified about anomalies and canon events right? Maybe it wouldve gone off during that time?
and Spot caused by Miles being bitten by a spider from another universe that Spot brought to 1610 and Gwen wasn't supposed to see Miles and Spot got away to Pav's universe where he was supposed to cause Inspector Singh's death but Gwen was the reason Miles followed to end up saving Inspector Singh changed the story so Miles and Gwen equally break the canon
this is trippy now eh
I think the Spot is manipulating Miguel. Perhaps Spot in the future become powerful enough to travel through time as well as travel through dimensions. Spot uses this to travel to dimensions and create these world-eating portals. Because Spot has travelled to the past, Miguel has no idea about the Spot and the only conclusion Miguel could come up with is that Miguel had affected the universe too much, destroying it. This creates the idea of canon events since there is a similarity between Spider people that Miguel had affected. Doesn’t mean that canon events destroy. You can see in Mumbahattan that the hole that is eating up Mumbahattan is Spot’s stuff too.
All of this happened because Ben came a cross a thief.
Butterfly effect 💀💀💀
I think her world is safe as her dad probably quit a while ago and her universe hasn't gotten destroyed like Pavitr's universe. I think she realized this and new Miguel was lying so she tried to find Miles to help him save his dad. for Pavitr's universe I think Miguel found a way to make it seem like his universe was dying and lied about it being miles fault.
Miguel is an antagonist but not necessarily a bad guy
@@isitreallytho1649 yea you are right. after watching the movie for a second time I think he is an antagonist but I still believe everything else I said is true. (in my opinion) :)
You are absolutely right. Just remember what was shown to us as the canon events of miguel and Pav.
At Miguel, the universe and the people in it really dissolved.
With Pav, a hole of Spot emerged. Miles even said it was Spot.
Gwen and Miles are probably gonna break the chain of tragedy and actually get together by the end of beyond the spider verse.
most likely yeah
gwen better fuckin apologize and be better my boy miles deserves better 😤
@@infectedpotato117 Well, Spider-Byte is always an option 😏
Then there's the pairing of Miles and Peni
@@isaiaholaru5013 peni?? 🙄shippers will go for anything
I think potentially, you can create a new deviant in the canon timelime, thus becoming a new universe. The problem with Miguel was he interfered in another universe by attempting to exist there & because of that, that universe crumbled. Gwen & her dad exist originally in their universe so I don't think much will change in that.
We'll see how the writers go about it in Beyond.
Gwen's Dad isn't meant to die. Ngl at first I was thinking, "that means he doesn't have to die, that means he changed the canon." Then I wondered, is he really meant to die. It wasn't until rewatching I realized something. To start of her dad was already captain. When Vulture was in the museum, Miguel soon entered, then Lyla soon warned an incoming canon event is about to happen. While I was rewatching I thought that meant her Dad is supposed to die, but when Vulture was flying towards the roof Miguel was worried he'll disrupt the canon, because Vulture exploding the roof and causing more damage actually put her Dad in more danger. So the reason why Miguel was trying to stop Vulture asap is because the canon event at that moment was for Gwen to reveal her identity and for him to point his gun at her. Now fast forward to today and me watching this I was really questioning if her dad is even meant to die, and looking it up her Dad in fact isn't destined to die like the other captains rather it was his destiny to be relieved of his duties.
But its stated by miguel himself that all "captains" should die as its a canon event. This either proves miguel wrong or captain stacy just built different.
@@doomslayer5330 Well it doesn't exactly proof him wrong. Maybe the Captain that dies isn't supposed to be her Dad. Maybe the captain following her Dad quiting.
@@JohnboyTheGamer well the captain following captain Gwen Stacy isn't close to Spiderman as Miguel stated that a captain close to Spiderman will and should die.
@@doomslayer5330 Any captain can become close to Gwen. Doesn't mean it has to be an instant. New captain, new relationship, overtime become close enough, and boom something happens. For all we know the new relationship could start with the new captain seeking to work with Spider-Woman.
@@JohnboyTheGamer But the captain has to be very close to spiderman, like captain Singh who was the father of pavitra's gf. Basically someone who's family, not a random stranger. And the captain can't really work with someone who solves multiversal problems...
I realized this during the movie. but I’ve been theorizing there’s something that’ll keep her world together, proving to Miguel that there are ways to save people and reality
I'm on the "Miguel doesn't understand Intrusions" theory-train
I personally think with the whole movie being a series of people hiding secrets and trying to come out about them, the whole message will be at the end, "accept people for how they are and not how others tell you they should be"
What does that have to do with anything
@@ThePotatoSeesAll the whole primary plot is “canon” or “fate” and whether or not you should put an effort into it or is it futile with a bunch of subplots about not knowing how things will turn out if people know who you are.
It’s about whether or not you can control how things will work out, whether you should try, whether you believe it is futile or not.
An ending hook of, “it doesn’t matter what destiny, canon, or others tell you but be true to yourself and try”, would tie things together
Miles literally did say that though
@@voidpunkprincessI mostly agree. But I also think there are some things you can't escape from that we have to accept and move forward knowing that
maybe her canon event is Peter dying
Maybe miles’s canon event is his uncle dying. I mean why should he have to go through with his dad dying if he already went through his uncle lol
My personal theory is: The Spot is responsible for the destruction of the universe that Miguel has taken over and that's why he thinks the canon events can't be broken.
My theory is that it’s not the Canon Events that doom the universe, it’s the Incursions. Kinda like how Tom Holland’s Spider-Man didn’t doom his universe by saving Gwen, he almost doomed it by messing up the spell and having so many other Spider-Man come in the universe.
Miguel mentions that a captain must die as well as a close figure to the spiderperson. In most cases it is uncle ben and captain stacy but it is not necessary that they are the ones to get sacrificed. So if gwen’s dad doesn’t become captain, then the next person to take it’s place will die. I also have a theory that basically says that canon events are just a wrong assumption by miguel’s assistant and that they are not real or don’t really work as they are presented in the movie. I think that what happened to the other miguel’s family and it’s universe was not really related to him altering the canon but to something else. I think that since he is pretty close to an anomaly himself he sees himself in miles and wants to prevent miles from making the same mistakes as he did and uses the excuse of canon to justify the fact that if it happened to him then it is something factual
The reason she goes to help Miles at the end of the movie is because she just learned that she changed her canon event and nothing happened, so she knew that Miles' dad could be saved and that she was going to help him and stop Miguel. Her experience with her dad was just proof she needed to convince herself that canon events weren't completely understood
I think the spot might be the solution to all the problems.
It was her actions that caused him to be saved not anyone else’s. Miles saving the officer was the problem not that they got saved imo.
She says: Wait but that means, as she realises her canon was changed and miles was right, its not some blink and you miss it moment, it was the point
I suspect that there's another reason Miguel's second universe broke, and he's unwilling to admit it to himself.
Honestly when Miguel told Miles "you don't belong here. You never did." I assumed he was just projecting those feelings he had onto miles because he caused that fear of "canon events" onto other spider-men
That canon event of the captain's death has to be that spiderman has to be friends with a cop but Gwen's spiderman isn't friend with a cop so it hasn't happen yet
There’s another theory that canon events can be safely disrupted but only by that universe’s spider hero
The canon says that she has to lose a captain close to her. Technically, she did. She losed a captain since he's not a captain anymore. Maybe the rules of the canon aren't as precise as we think and there could be loophole. I like to think that for Miles the "captain" could be someone who fight crimes, like the previous Spider-man of his world. So his canon event already happened and his dad doesn't need to die. Also, I think Miguel's mistaken about canon event. The people of a Universe are the ones writting their stories and making their canon. Miguel is basically like fan telling a writter how to writte his story while he's making it.
To be fair to Miguel and the Spider Society, seeing what happened to Miguel’s adopted dimension and Pavitr’s dimension is pretty convincing evidence that canon events need to happen (not justifying the vicious beat down of a child of course.) Watching entire earths be wiped away doesn’t exactly inspire anyone to want to test the boundaries. It’ll be really interesting to find out how the canon events really work in Beyond, given that they clearly can be averted without dimension collapse somehow.
Before Gwen Leaves Lyla says to Miguel that the canon is in tact.
This is after Gwen revealed her identity to her dad.
This is, in my opinion, very blatantly hinting at the fact that revealing your spidey identity is the alternative canon event that not only prevents a major loss but also keeps the universe in tact.
Maybe Spot is the answer to all the problems? There’s a cut where all the spider men are dead, maybe he’s the only one that can fix all the anomalies
welll the comics spidergwen had the same thing happen so maybe not a canon event
Yep. It really confused me when they talked about the captain cannon event when I knew her dad doesn't die in the comics. hopefully they explain it next year
My friends and I theorised that the unravelling of Miguel’s world wasn’t related to him being there, as when Miles saves the inspector in Mumbattan, the hole that appears was caused by Spot when he vanished. It was already warping when it was falling the whole time they were saving people. Meaning it wasn’t caused by Miles breaking canon, it was caused by Spot’s hole.
The question is what DID cause Miguel's universe to collapse 🤔
The cannon states that a chief close to the spider person Hass to die, it never says, when or specifically, who says long as she can get to know someone that’s chief her universe is safe
I think that a driving force of the plot is that Miguel maybe doesn't understand the rules as well as he thinks he does.
The canon doesn't state that Captain Stacy has to die. It states that the Captain has to die, as seen by Miles dad being the target even though his last name obviously isn't Stacy... since the canon states that the Captain has to die, what is likely going to happen is that someone else will die in the place of Gwen's dad... Unfortunately, I don't think the same thing will work for Miles dad since he seems like the kind of person to know that he will die but to chose to be a cop anyway.
I think her dad dying for her canon event is just a red hairing. Hers was peters, just so happens by her hands.
Yeah it’d make sense for Peter to be her “Uncle Ben” scenario
Proceeds to die in a car accident
In the first spider-verse Gwen explicitly mentions saving her dad's life. Not sure if that was an overlooked detail but it was the first thing I thought of hearing about the fate of the captains in all the universes. Also she shows little-to-no concerned about her dad's life throughout the movie which I understand going through our things with your parents is rough but you would think that her knowing that her dad has to die would cause more internal conflict but then again she was willing to let Pavi's Captain die to keep the canon intact so who knows
Unfortunately Beyond the Spiderverse has been delayed to July 10th 2026. 3 years later😭😭😭😭🕸️🕸️🕸️🕸️🕸️
Yayyy!!!!
Miles' Dad energy when he switches up on 2099 gives off Dad energy like a mf
I feel like him quitting as a captain saved his life but I feel like whoever the next captain will be, will die
I’d like it to switch from Miles’s view to Gwen’s while she tries to stop the drastic consequences of her possible mistake, her own unique journey through the multiverse, in part 2.
Its possible what Miguel thinks is "canon events" is just coincidence, and in reality, what he experienced was incursions
Miguel called a police captain dying "Canon Event ASM-90." Amazing Spider-Man #90 is the *exact* comic book issue from 1970 that Captain George Stacy dies for original Spider-Man. It's less coincidence and more the *literal* recycling of that same story over the years. Miguel is the comic book fan that thinks *every* comic book adaptation has to be an exact re-telling of the same stories over and over and over again. Imo, Miles telling Miguel "nah Imma do my own thing" is representing the idea that not every comic book based story needs to be a remix or recycle of an old story, we can still have *original* stories told with these characters. And original stories can still do them justice. Every iteration of Spider-Man/Woman (including those outside of ATSV like cartoons and games) has an entire story and universe beyond (pun unintended but cherished lol) the exact events that happened to 616 Comic Book Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a hero for more reasons than just circumstances. It's not a series of predetermined events, it's a conscious choice he makes to do *something* instead of *nothing*
It’s amazing that Gwen cares about miles this much to put her universe at risk, she told her dad that stuff to change his mind so that she could get on with what she was doing. Gwen and miles definitely love each other
Pov : you break your arm but it wasn't a canon event so your arm immediately fixes
I think it’s more that a Spider-Man can’t directly mess with another universes fate because that creates an anomaly like The Spot or the dimension shatters. However they can change their own universes fate which is what makes each Spider-Man different and is why each Spider-Man variant has a different story.
I thought this idea too cuz it’s clear it can be an artistic choice or not but when Gwen is talking with her dad, the world looks like a melted painting
She also sayed "It means..." while talking to his father like she realized the canon has been disrupted.
It only jumps out to the next captain, like the death turn in final destination
It be cool if that in Beyond the Spiderverse we see the multiverse begin to break due to those actions from Miles and Gwen and it ends with them deciding to accept it and decide to help Miguel
Yeah but that wouldn't be a good conclusion to either of their arcs and also I want to see them defy the odds and I think most people do too
No it wouldn't, it defeats the whole point if being Spiderman
@@friedfish6870 I think sometimes stories need a sad conclusion, one that may not be what the viewer wanted but one that they would have to just accept and carry on
@@lostintoonami but Miguel seems to have a very bad world view and I think he's wrong about cannon events
@@friedfish6870 I don’t think Miguel is wrong or right but I do think what he says has more truth to it then Miles believes. Obviously it doesn’t necessarily mean the cannon events thing is a complete lie or completely true.
My first thought was just that the captain that dies in her universe just wasn’t her dad. Could be someone she doesn’t even know yet
You're right I didn't even think of that I was so focused on Miles
I think that the scene when she goes "youre not captain" after learning her dad quit, and seeing the universe wasnt destroyed, after she left was implying that sometimes canon events can be avoided without the universe-destroying consequences, and Miguel might not know everything about the flow of time and changing timelines/canon events. Therefore it may be possible for Miles to save his dad without destroying his universe. Those are just my thoughts tho
I think these same rules apply from Loki like how Sylvie could do random things in world ending events because the outcome would be the same anyways
I feel like it works in a way that you can avoid the event by doing something very early but you can't interrupt it as it is happening or is about to happen
I think Gwen and her dad proves that Canon events aren't set in stone or atleast don't work the way Miguel thinks they do.
Miguel only saw his new universe get destoyed because he was an anomaly in that universe, Miles getting bit might have been a mistake but he still belongs in that universe and since Peter is dead I'm pretty sure him being Spiderman isnt an issue. Miguel is not fully explaining things either on purpose or by accident.
Miguel said spider man is supposed to fail to save *a* police captain, who is themselves trying to save a child, so by stepping down, Gwen's dad dooms someone else without knowing it.
I don't understand how nobody noticed that the universe of gwen that is made from "watercolors" was literally vanishing when she came back home, and when she hugs her dad rhe universe come back to normal, I think that gwen learned a lesson that somehow made is universe stable again, like when uncle ben dies peter always learn the responsability thing, and when captain stacy died he learn something else, etc.
The multiverse isn’t a straight line like Miguel tries to make it, yes canon events do run parallel but none of the spidermen know for sure they determine everything. Miles lost his uncle like everyone else and somehow it’s predestined to have his dad die, and Gwen lost her Peter so both have already done the deed of suffering. Newtons law states that every action has an opposite reaction meaning there’s still universes they suffer more, so how is it a problem one is different?
I thought the exact same thing during the movie and I am happy to see someone talking about it
I think things can be re written for the better something Miguel is to Greif stricken and scarred to see
Miguel doesn’t understand entirely what a canon event is, on an film theory short matpat explained it only does damage if someone from a different universe does anything big that wasn’t supposed to happen, but Gwen was the only one involved in her dad quiting
Miguel:canon events must happen
me, with my pocket dimensions filled with oc's:i make my own canon, Miguel
It just has to be a police captain not any captain in particular
O believe that maybe canon events do work for almost everyone but the canon event is to loose a police captain, even if Gwen was given a date outside of what we saw, there could be another captain that will later become close to Gwen, something like what happened to Peter in the insomniac games.
He resigned by himself, nothing saved him from a death since he's no longer captain.
1) Miguel doesn’t understand the universe because if Miles was anomaly and was not supposed to be Spider-Man then why does he conform to the canon events
2) THERE ARE OTHER CAPTAINS IN NEW YORK!!!! ITS NOT LIKE WHEN CAPTAIN STACY QUIT NEW YORK WAS LIKE, “I guess we can’t hire any more people to take his place, better fire every other person that has the title of captain.”
It would make for such an incredible plot if her universe is destroyed and Miles has to help her cope through it
Naw, we literally talked about this just last night. Except we connected it to Miguel too, allowing Gwen to leave, which is a big part of what got him
I noticed this and was thinking maybe she will get close to another captain that dies.
So I'm gonna explained basically Gwen dad won't die but another person most likely another chief will die in her universe for a replacement of her father.
Miguel assumes thats how canon events work. But actually they are just MCU incursions mostly proven that miles, punk and gwen all are in pavtirs universe wich creates an incursion and the spider society making it even worse
Honestly I think Miguel is like 75 percent correct about canon events, but he thinks too many broken canon events multiverse goes bye bye, and while that is correct I also think universe's can sorta rewrite canon a certain amount of time until the canon is unrepairable.
I think either:
It would only occur when/if the situation where he was going to die was about to happen and it was intervened by an interloper
Or it doesn't count as there was no intervention from anybody from the outside. None of the other Spider-People directly influenced the decision, as the decision was caused by how long he had to reflect his actions about Gwen unmasking herself.
And now we have to wait longer for the next movie
technically, the rules are that a police chief who she is close with has to die, and there could still be a police chief who she is close with that will die (or quite possible has died, and she didnt even realize that that counted)
I believe Matt pat’s theory when he says Canaan events aren’t real and they’re only incursions that make a universe collapse
Actually, the reason why some universities are collapsing isn’t because of Canon events been broken. It’s because of people from other universe’s being in a universe is that aren’t their own. Causing incursions, which are even worse than breaking Canon. That’s why Miguel’s other universe was destroyed and why Miles’s universe hasn’t. If you want more information, just look up film theories video on the subject.
For every good miles does, and for every bad spot does, the equilibrium should not be changed cuz both of them are balancing out each other
Something that we don't think enough is the fact that Miguel's knowledge about canon events isn't 100% accurate, since it's just the experience he has gotten so far with playing with multiverses. That means that the effect that could have breaking the canon in different ways isn't always the same, and if it's not a direct interaction or just down in a specific way, it might not break the entire universe or multiverse
Plot twist: Miguel's theory is just wrong
The thing is, would it be considered breaking canon if it was done by someone from that universe, they only times we’ve seen something bad happen once canon was broken, was when an outsider from a different universe intervened, gwens dad said he quit during her speech, not because of anyone from a different universe. So, because she changed canon, in her own universe, is the canon still broken.
The canon event isn't just her dad dying it's specifically the police captain dying whether it's her dad or not which it would have been if he didn't quit, saving his life
I’m thinking “canon events” act more like dominos than a house of cards. Removal of one or two isn’t critical, but too many will doom a world. Miguel even says “break _enough_ canon”.
This might be a hot take, but any universe collapse in the spiderverse most likely happens because of the Super Colliders built there in the first place. We see them happen in Pavitr's, Miguel's (or the one he borrowed), and Miles's respective universes.
I know this because every time we see a universe alt + delete itself, there's always a building that is glitching, followed by other glitchings spreading into the city. This is a constant between Miguel's and Mile's universes. In Miles's universe, it was just warming up. Not quite affecting anyone yet. But Miguel's? It's at full strength, going ham on anyone without the multiverse watches. Pav is very lucky to have friends and even met Miles's in thr first place.
Miles being anomaly *allows* him to intervene in other peoples worlds. For instance, it was highly likely Peter B. Was supposed to die alone and not have his daughter in his continuity… but Miles’ influence in his life changed that. Him having his dimensions and another dimensions bits in his DNA probably keeps him from being bound to the “Canon” rules.
Here's the thing, wouldn't mile's universe already be at risk by the fact that a spider from another world bit him and gave him powers. He's been spider-man for over a year and has his own "canon" events as spider-man, yet he wasn't supposed to happen? Miguel needs to explain this a little more like I feel like something happened in that other universe that we aren't aware of yet
It won’t effect anything, someone else will become captain and they will die
The canon event reads: "A police captain close to Spider Man dies" it does not have to be Captain Stacy. This can go two directions: either this gives Miles an out (they are heavily teasing this by Miles Dad talking about how he's not Yet captain) or it will come crashing back down and Gwen will have to see her dad die after all. I think they will go with the first because Miles whole thing is "write your own story" and it will work although the more depressing version would be more spiderman tbh.
Also Miguel is obviously wrong about the canon events.
There won't be any problem since Gwen didn't stop him, but he chose it himself.
They didn’t say captain Stacy just the captain has to die. That’s why Miles’ dad has to die as far as we know at this point. By her father choosing not to take the promotion it’s completely possible whoever takes the police captain job is gonna die. They even sort of imply that when explaining it to Miles cause they mention the first time the first Spider-Man failed to save their universe’s captain as though it wasn’t anyone particularly important but it was symbolic cause up to then he’d always saved everyone(aside from uncle Ben). There’s also Jean DeWolff who though was close to Peter, wasn’t a Stacy.
I think the main reason why Gwen in the end decides to try and help Miles is because her dad didnt become captain which means that her dad will not die and this has been months since he quit so this proves to Gwen that the canon isnt real. Gwen was already questioning if the canon is real or not.
I think Miguel is wrong about multiverse rules. Canon events CAN be avoided, but when they're stopped by someone from another dimension (like Miles in Pavitr's dimension or Miguel himself), that's when the dimension begins to collapse. I mean, Gwen saved her dad and nothing happened. The OG Peter in Miles' dimension died (which cannot be a canon event, since apparently it wasn't supposed to happen) and nothing happened.
There's speculation that a universe can 'only' be doomed from a Spider-Man from another dimension interrupts a cannon event....i.e. Miguel taking over his former self in a another universe and Miles helping in Pavitr's universe...
It could just be that Gwen’s dad isn’t the character who is supposed to take on the role of captain in Gwen Stacy’s universe. Along with that, Miles’ universe, since he is an ‘anomaly’, may have already lost its “Captain” and that even though The Spot is going to take everything from Miles, it won’t tear his universe apart if Miles saves his dad. Peter Parker was the Spider-Man of that universe before Miles and, in a sense, should have already gone through that cannon event already
It was said that the canon event is police captain close to spiderman dying. It wasn't said that it has to be Gwen's dad for her. (although no idea if she has any other police captains close to her)
And it doesn't really matter anyway because imo it's pretty clear that Beyond The Spiderverse is gonna reveal that Miguel was wrong all along. The setup is a little bit to obvious
Captain Stacy doesn't have to die technically, they just have to separate or become estranged with the main character, not necessarily die, the spiderman just has to lose them whether emotionally or physically, and in Gwen's case, it was emotionally.
I think the dad will somehow find a way to be a heroic person and that becoming the police chief isn’t a requirement.
Basically it just has to be a tragic death of a fellow hero same way it was for spiderman in end game when he watched tony stark die who was basically a fatherly role model toward him. I believe the same will happen to both gywn and Miles