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I wonder would paying a retainer like what we have for most fire brigades in Ireland be a good idea
Thank you for your training video's. Very good information. I have a 1971 SeaGrave, in process of Restoration. I fill the Air Pack compartment with all the Different Fire Extinguisher. So when Kids get in cab/ Driver seat. I try and education the Parents on were to have Fire Extinguisher in home. The importance of having them serviced once a year. The first thing I did when I got my old girl home was get under her. LOOK at the plumbing of the PUMP. What pipes go to tank bottom. Drivers have to get the Rig safely to the Fire scene, then make sure to hook up Hose right to proper discharge. All Drivers should look at there pumps from under the Rig if they can. See the Plumbing, so to speak. The Firefighter did not start this house Fire. They come after the fire is out of control lots of ( Fuel) on inside of home. Don't blame the Fire Department be it Volunteer or Payed. They only come after the fire is to much for homeowners to control. Could this have been STOPPED if a Fire Extinguisher was placed properly in the home. The homeowner is the First Responder to your property. Don't expect the Fire Department to always be right there, getting water on your home as soon as Fire starts. You must prepare your home to prevent this from happening in the first place. Learn from these types of fires, how can you the homeowner prevent this from happening again. Don't just expect the FD to save your property. It is very hard to see your home burn like this. But homeowners must learn from this.
My question is, why didn't they run lines from the ladder to the hydrant? Does it have to be a pumper that runs it? I thought ladders were basically Pumpers in their own right, except with ladder apparatus in exchange for a much smaller onboard tank?
Given the state of volunteerism for FD/EMS in some areas of the country, it's problematic at best. What members that move/retire or die in the line of duty fighting a fire leaves the remaining members without that person's knowledge. And not every FD has a ginormous budget for new apparatus/training/equipment, or even an OSHA approved fire station, or even a budget line if the village is small, say 2,000 people or less. So what are FD/EMS supposed to do when it's membership drops so low that putting a sign on the side of a highway is the only way to get the word out ? Really ? ?
@@heyrod59
YES the training for a volunteer is overwhelming
I try to at least train younger Cadets who might choose this a JOB in there future. The old school mind set of volunteer for your community is gone. Most of are students can't even ROLL hose correctly.
I'm at a very active volunteer department and you're not allowed to drive unless you can work on everything on the truck and run the pump on it. One of our guys said that when someone calls 911 they deserve a professional response with trained people regardless of the people responding department being volly or career.
Well said, I was a Volunteer in the 80's / 90's in Derby, Kansas. A suburb of Wichita where my dad was a Deputy Chief. They are paid now, but back then, we had high standards. I was going to hire on at WFD, but the aircraft industry was my calling.
Well said, our rules are you drive it you have to be able to pump it....end of story.
That way it was at my volunteer station and you couldn't be line officer unless you could operate every piece of equipment
tbh in germany we have it totally different, a guy that's running the interior attack and specialized on it doesn't need to drive the truck or operate the pump and electrical equipment
@@richarddraper5020 The majority of Fire Departments in the US are Volunteer, although more and more are using some paid staff. The problem today is that so many volunteers are working more than one job, the training requirements have become more burdensome, and many departments run very few fire calls where you really learn the job.
I'm the chief of a volunteer department. I tell my guys, "Volunteer or full time, we get the same training and held to the same standards." The public deserves the best we can give them.
The public may expect the same service but volunteers do not get the same training as career departments. A basic FF1 cert is not the same as an 12 week academy.
thankyou sir
@@Tipysable you guys got 12 weeks? 💀 In my country firefighter 1 or A is 2 years
@@Tipysable when I started volunteering, I got a longer than 12 week academy where we got hazmat, fire 1, fire 2, and some supplemental mayday training. We also got a full EMS academy too
@@Tipysable In my area everybody gets 12 weeks and volunteers for the rest before moving to career. My hubby initially got FF1, Hazmat, and during initial Academy. The rest of his training and certs came after. So yes unless they go to the community College in my area, they get the same training. In fact most of his departments volleys have gone on to become career. They also do have continuous training same as any other station.
"To her credit: She's being relatively calm, considering she's watching her house burn down."
... She is *exceptionally* calm, considering *the FD* is watching her house burn down!
@@fuqutube Could you BE any more racist?
@@fuqutube well damn. what’d she do to you?
@@Bandit-zq1uf @Rx wasn't invited to the dinner.
@@n7nja851 lol apparently not 😆
She wasnt calm, she was yelling at them.. They all calm like yea is a house fire..
My couch was on fire once, three of us came into the room and two of us ran right back out to get water as fast as we could. When we came back, my cousin who had stayed was pissing on the couch and the fire was completely out. We were about 15. He's a genius he saved the entire house and he had the biggest grin on his face. We still laugh about it every couple months
This is why the rigid pre primed hose reels used in the UK are so effective, with a target time of 30 seconds to get water on the fire.
Fire progresses very rapidly, so the sooner water is used, the less there is to put out. Our trucks can operate from the tank for 10 minutes using both reels and 20 minutes if a single line is used. Plenty of time to secure water, while at least preventing the fire from spreading and completing any rescue.
2 trucks have enough water to deal with 95% of UK domestic fires and needless to say, the immediate water saves many lives in vehicle fires.
We was a firefighter and didn't know it 😂
@@wilsjane I'll show you a rigid pre primed hose. ;)
@@dillis2188 Is your pre prime hose, rubber or real leather.?
@@wilsjane That's not all of why the booster lines used in the UK work so well.
Your housing stock is much different than here in the United States. You're dealing with far more compartmentalized fires than we do, so that booster line you all use, really CAN knock a fire flat in short order, because that fire's not taking off on you and eating the building nearly as quickly as happens here in the US.
You all do good work over there!
Unfortunately not all of what you do over there, would work nearly as well over here.
And in fairness... not everything we do over here that works good for us, would work very well over there in the UK either.
My volunteer FD Chief _hates_ the "don't expect much from us, we're only volunteers" mentality.
I can't see everything going on, and know even less about this situation, but it looked like these guys could have knocked down the fire pretty easily if they'd had the proper support and solid communication. But the guys up front were out there, ready to go, doing their thing as best as the situation would allow them to. Kudos to them.
yeah over in germany we, the volunteers, carry the biggest load in conjunction with the few professionals
we're proud that we're mostly as good as the professionals, due to a lot of specialized training
In any application of a job. Communication is key and Keeping the plans simple stupid.
If you don't want much expected of you, don't volunteer at a job that requires you to put your life on the line.
@@The_Forge_Master Is that common sense I hear? Is that even allowed anymore?
@@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber When there are people arguing that all biological markers should be removed in favor of feelings-based markers which are encouraged to change on the fly, pronouns that are made up and some that must be expressed through emoji or cannot be expressed by humans at all, and they're advocating for segregation and race-based hiring to be reinstated (but in the other direction, which makes it okay)?
No, common sense ain't that common.
I volunteer in a neighboring town to Ewing and this fire actually happened while I was in the academy. What happened was the the ladder did run out of water. A little background info on this fire too was that this fire happened on the worst possible weekend. This weekend was NJ's Firemen's convention down in Wildwood (about 2 hrs away). Most of Ewing's (and mutual aid depts) younger or more active members were down there having a fun time. Unfortunately this left this fire with mostly older members or chiefs to respond.
Thanks for the inside
why is it a problem that the younger are away
For a volunteer company it comes down to younger people having more free time (typically) to respond to calls and if they are the ones mostly getting the hands on time it can create on scene issues. It's not a comment on age and not being able to get it done. NJ also (like many places) is having an increasingly hard time getting young people to join and stay on. Especially in NJ where the cost of living is pretty high.
Hopefully they learned to try and not allow a majority of volunteers to attend at once.
@@eriksand9262 in Prince Georges County MD it is common for busy yiuses to arrange for station coverage when a lot of members are at the convention.
Water supply is priority #1 in a structure fire, ESPECIALLY if your first due is a truck co! Really unbelievable how many of them were just standing there when the hose died.
Really sad situation, those waaabe fire personal should have been evaluated long before Rodin aparats to a fire alarm!
I know for us it's about 20 minutes to establish water supply
@@xzxxx2351 🤨 that's quite a long time... maybe it's the city talking but I'd be fired on the spot if I took 20 mins to establish water supply.
@@xzxxx2351 20 minutes, from arrival or dispatch?
If arrival then that’s enough time for a house to burn down. If dispatch then it would be acceptable.
If there rural then it’s expected due to lack of sufficient infrastructure
As a retired volunteer fire chief and current fire captain I do believe that everyone should know how to operate every piece of equipment we have. We train weekly on our equipment, safety and tactics and we even do one on one training with personnel if they request it. We also require each engine has a minimum of 1000 gallons of water, our area covers a lot of rural area and hydrants are few and far between. Our first due engine company is followed closely by a tanker and we have tank water flowing within 2-3 minutes and when a tanker arrives we can set a dump tank or nurse from it without ever losing water. We have an automatic mutual aid with surrounding departments for tankers and 2 engine companies on our first alarm along with our 2 engines and 2 tankers. It takes training and team work, all our local departments train together and pretty much resemble one huge department when on a fire, we even go as far as learning where each piece of equipment is on each others apparatus.
To paraphrase "these guys fucked up."
We had to take a Driver Ops Class through the State,Pass it,, then if it was a Tanker or Ladder it required additional certification, once again that is the bare minimum, there was a department SOG that required additional training before you was signed off on... I've never pumped that Engine in this video, but I'm 100% confident that I could get water in and out of it, and to the appropriate discharge.
I wish my department had your standards i train every week with another fire fighter and our TO but the rest of the crew trains if they can be bothered once a month we have a clear leadership issue and its going to cause a problem eventually.
1000 gallons in your apparatus is absolutely fantastic! Sure, it's heavy, but can make such a huge difference.
Fire growth is exponential, and getting water into the fight is critical. It buys your crew critical seconds.
Our first out engine is 1250 gallons, 2nd out is 1100 gallons and our 1st out tanker is 2500 gallon and 2nd out is 1200 gallons. We cover 2 small towns and 167 square miles of rural area with no hydrants other than the ones at our stations and a couple in each town. We train on moving water on a regular basis. After we get set up we have flowed as much as 2400 gpm for 2 1/2 hours using dump tanks and tanker shuttles. Both of our main engines have 2000 gpm 2 stage pumps and our reserve engine is 1500 gpm and is also set up to do powerfill from ponds, creeks , rivers or hydrants and we can fill our 2500 gallon tanker in 3 minutes from a draft or fill multiple tankers at the same time using 5" LDH and a large manifold. All of our local departments use the same quick connections on the direct tank fill valves on their tankers and we practice tanker shuttles together twice a year. Our neighboring County to the east has adopted the same system so we are compatible with them as well.
I’ve never worked a fire, but I’ve handled hundreds of other crises, and the one thing that is apparent to me is that there is a clear lack of communication, and there for certain is no quarterback giving direction. The fire crew is staying relatively calm and preventing a panic, so that’s good, but it’s clear this crew just didn’t have enough training. We learn from our mistakes, but these mistakes cost people their lives. Tough position to be in as a volunteer. That said, the town I grew up in had a fantastic volunteer department. Everybody knew them and they knew many of us. They had such pride and urgency coming to our aid.
I’m 21, and I am also on a VERY active Volunteer Department as well. I joined the FD when I turned 16 (Sophomore in HS). I am grateful to have learned how to run trucks. I’m in a small town in Alabama, and we run around 340 calls/year, and we do not do medical calls. So far, in 2024, we have had 17 calls this month (JAN 9 is the date). Our department is very blessed with the equipment we have because our CHIEF has worked his butt off improving everything. Our oldest Truck is a 1999 Engine. After that, it is a 2011 Engine. Our department has received lots of grants.
We have:
- Engine 1 (750 Gallon Engine) 1999
- Truck 2 (Equipment/EMS Truck w/ 400 Gallon Tank) 2012
- Engine 3 (1500 Gallon Engine) 2011
- Engine 4 (3000 Gallon Tanker)
- Truck 5 (Brush Truck - 250 Gallons) 2012
- Truck 6 (Spare Ford F-350) 2019 - Used for hauling boats, etc.
- Air and Light Trailer (4 SCBA fill stations)
- ATV 1 (4 door ATV w/ 200 Gallon Tank) - 2022
- Airboat 1 - 2020
- Marine 1 - 2016
- Marine 2 (inflatable) - 2022
I see you said you’re from Alabama. Are you anywhere near Rainbow City? Im in the process of joining the FD. I’m almost 20 and taking the Civil Service Test in June and would like to have contacts with other firefighters like yourself.
The situation has since changed in Ewing. One of the three fire companies (Pennington Road) effectively shut down and was kicked out in 2017, and their former station is now a fully career firehouse. The other two fire companies remain with daytime paid staffing. West Trenton (the first-due who didn’t get a truck due to the NJ fire convention) is still in service and has the most volunteers left.
Absolutely ridiculous if that is your best your best is not good enough.
I had an instructor while in fire academy and he said one thing that really stuck with me. "Don't get off probation and get every specialty under the sun. You can be great at one thing, good at 2 and shitty at 3". Even in a large paid department, I've seen it come to fruition.
I volunteered at a district for 15 years and then moved to a neighboring department that knew me well from mutual aid calls. I was quickly promoted to engineer. We caught a structure fire in a story and a half craftsman and I was engineering the first in unit which happened to be our 75’ ladder with a crew of 6 and 500 gallon booster. My captain elected to hit the hydrant on the way in at which time all 4 of my back step crew exited the truck to pull 5”. I was like, “what the hell?” Three minutes later my crew still hasn’t hooked the hydrant and the second in pumper passed us and went to the scene. Never been so frustrated on a call in my life! Pumper took the front of the house leaving my ladder sitting back about 50’ from the front of the house. Luckily, we ended up not needing hydraulics, but I have never been so disappointed in a crew in my life. Soon after I left that department and went back to my previous district.
As a volunteer, I don’t like being viewed as less-qualified, less-trained, or less-whatever. It’s unfortunate that there’s volunteer departments that are looked down upon due to not being as-professional as professional/paid departments, but it’s up to them, and up to the volunteers themselves even, to carry themselves with pride and professionalism, but most importantly preparedness. Be aggressive, be prepared and train train train. Be the firefighter you would want responding if it was your family.
My department is looked down upon because of our lack of experience. Mind you we have an average experience level of 1.5 years. The previous group of volunteers also left a bad rap on our department with drinking and driving, showing up on scene with alcohol on their breath, not showing up when paged, and a whole host of other issues. The people we have now are extremely dedicated to not only changing the public(mainly other departments) outlook on us, but being as professional and as close to as well trained as a paid department as possible. We have everything from people who have never been near anything bigger than a bonfire to retired 20 year vets, to military firefighters working together to form a well trained well oiled machine to do our jobs. I am one of the guys that has next to no experience, but I am doing everything I can to train myself to be as knowledgeable as possible. I have the attitude (and I think I'm not the only one) of I don't care what others think of me, I have a job to do and I'm gonna do it to the best of my ability.
@@Deerhunterjs perfect attitude son. I started at 32 years old and didn't know anything aside from a lot of common sense and the ability to want to learn. I hardly cracked a book in the academy and nearly aced the state tests. Myself and one of the other guys would always go grab an engine and " try" something that we'd heard about. We did a lot of self teaching and now I teach the younger members on the dept after 26 years of " self" learning no things. Another thing you might look into, if a metro dept around you has a " ride along" program where you can run calls and train with them, DO IT. My buddy and I ran a LOT of shifts with the Detroit FD E-31 S-4........ I could never replace what I learned running with those guys, and,still remain friends with a couple of them today ( from 20 years ago). Good luck young man. Stay safe.
An old captain came from a volunteer company and told us if we every looked down on volunteers, he would kick our ass! Volunteers are unpaid professionals! Y'all do what I used to without the pay of a big city department
Train, train, train, train, train! And train some more! Apply for grants to go to school! Don't know where you are, but I know Philly and New York welcome other departments to come train, and they both have a tech school to learn tech rescue! Greatest job in the world
@@thedisabledchef2159 I've pointed that out to people, before. As a volunteer at a two station department, I had to know every piece of equipment on 8 different vehicles. There was no hydrant man or tool man. Whoever was there, did whatever needed to be done. I've wanted to get back to volunteering, but personal issues don't make it feasible. I respect all firefighters that take their occupation seriously but volunteers that give a shit, will always be have a certain "higher" regard in my own mind.
The pain is real when you’re out of water. I am FT on a combination dept…we cover 104 sq miles with 2 FT per shift…6 FT total and we’re down to 5 part timer/paid on call. The PT are not scheduled, or required to be “on call”. We rely hugely on mutual aid. About 70% of our territory is rural non hydrated…we’ve emptied the tank many of times prior
to more water arriving on scene. It’s hard…our call volume exceeded 1250 calls last year and we’re headed for 1400 this year. 6th fasted growing area in my state. Fingers crossed that a proposed referendum to go up to 18 Career passes this coming November.
2 things I’ve learned in the past couple years - no one is kicking the doors down these days to volunteer, and most ppl think they have adequate fire protection already, until they realize they don’t.
Wow, that must be difficult to deal with being screwed over like that. I hope they'll pass it!
The youth doesn't want to volunteer, and the parents could care less about the community.
I invested 5 years into volunteering then stopped. I'm not going to die for a community that doesn't give a shit about me and leave my kids to navigate this rotten culture that's taken over the US.
My kids will volunteer when able because it's good for the soul and hopefully the culture will change by then.
Twenty years ago, I worked for a "fire and storm damage" company that handled mainly insurance repairs. Believe me, it would be better for her to just let the entire house burn down. No matter what anyone tells says, you cannot get the burned smell out of what is left of a partially burned house.
I agree, and the more it turns into charcoal the less loads to pay to haul to the dump.
As for the carbon emissions, whatever bunrs and is released will decompose and release just the same amount. It's just a question of the time it takes.
In the whole world's cycle it's not a drop in the ocean. A forest fire or volcano is like a million homes burning at once.
My neighbors place burned and was put out, they replaced part of the roof structure and redid the inside, it doesn't smell 🤷♂️ the work of the builders was terrible but thats a seperate issue
Our house eventually stopped smelling like smoke...
Sometimes there are items of sentimental, or non-insurable value in the house that the homeowner would prefer not get burned up.
Well I've seen it happen, so it is possible if the contractor is thorough, to make a house not smell after a fire.
As a retired career firefighter, I would offer just this thought, you rise to the top of your training level in times of an emergency. ✌️🇺🇸
As a volunteer firefighter in Texas I recently had the chance to go to a training class near Austin taught by Orlando Florida firefighters the main instructor being a Lieutenant of the Orland Florida Fire Department, here was the quote that he harped on so much and I love it.
“Under pressure you don’t rise to the occasion, you sink to the level of your training. That’s why we train so hard”
I thought I would share that as your comment was very similar.
@@Apple-es8zr thank you Daniel for sharing that with me. My best to you and your commitment to serving your community. I’m proud of you 👍 🚒🇺🇸
@@Apple-es8zr Isn't that a sort of military comment? ( Not a complaint.) In combat, especially the first time, you freak out. You lose all volition. So you sink back to your training, your habits. You shoot, you take cover, yku advance. In a fire situation, shouldn't everybody's training be, Make sure of the water source? Shojldn't SOMEBODY be doing that, SOMEHOW, even on their own initiative, even before the chief starts ordering it?
Yes sir! I get it, former captain. I trained my crew. Constantly. When it goes to hell in a handbasket, you revert to your training.
Catching their own plug on the way in would of definitely saved them some headaches. But what is really concerning is the lack of awareness and know how when the dominos started to fall. 2 people on the nozzle for fire attack is more than enough, they all wanted the glory but failed to recognize no one was stretching hose out to the hydrant. The 2nd failing piece was the 2nd due truck not reverse laying and sending the tank while securing the hydrant. Even then there was 8 people in the front yard and only 2 people down at the water supply piece trying to get water. It was crazy to watch the majority of manpower standing idle while the water supply piece was in a full struggle. Doesn't help either the white helmets are not interested in assigning people to help get the water supply issue sorted.
Isn't that one reason the NFPA states "Connected to an external water source within 6 minutes of arrival"?
I couldn't see the whole scene, no idea on the stretch to the hydrant, but I had two immediate thoughts.
One, pull those preconnects off the engine and go to work.
Two, feed the truck. This one would take longer.
You had plenty of manpower for a long reverse lay there.
Again, I was not there. Hope the debrief sorted it all out for the next fire.
Exactly, without water all the cool equipment and and trucks are useless! If these guys standing around would've helped a little they could've established a water supply and been fighting fire a lot faster. Hell before I retired from my Chief's position I'd didn't stand around with my clipboard, I'd help to get the water supply established or whatever else might be needed until more units arrived on scene. I was usually first on scene and be completing the 360 by the time the first due arrived and if I needed to help stretch a hose or even pump a truck while the engineers were connecting a supply then I'd do it. The Chief that took over when I retired is the same way, if something needs done and there's not enough manpower on scene yet, he jumps in and helps out!! We have some district in some very remote areas so we may be on scene for quite a while before any more help arrives so every pair of hands helps!!
Your probably right. But this is what these guys knew. They were waiting for direction. The white hat probably should have grabbed a few FF and led them with hose in hand to secure a water source. The white hat could have told the FF he was arguing with to take some help and secure a water source.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Ultimately this falls on that chief that was not directing his personnel. Tell those extra hands to go help get that supply line stretch instead of just standing there. Also, that initial line looked like it had two officers on it?
Could you do an interview with this Chief to learn exactly what happened, so other departments can learn from him?
i mean water supply issues were the problem its not hard to figure out
Sorry, was a volunteer in a small department that was mainly rural for many years. In our department the first thing new joins learned was the basics of pump operations. As a new join you had to learn where everything on the trucks were and what they were. Then you had to prove it to the department officers before you were allowed to go to your first fire scene as anything other than traffic control. That way at least if we were short on a fire response we could put those that were not trained and cleared for fire fighting to pump the trucks after our senior men set them up. Our rule was no one makes entry, no one gets within 10 feet of a burning structure until we had a secured water supply. That means a truck on a hydrant or a dump tank on the ground and tankers less than 7 minutes out. The only exception was if the on scene officer believed that there was enough water on the truck to completely extinguish the fire with a fast knock down. Even then Safety was the KEY operating principle.
One thing that I did notice on this video that seems to be a common issue. Fire Fighters in the 'hot zone', at an opening, or actively fire fighting without wearing their SCBA. As a Safety Officer I would have been on scene going absolutely NUTS. When are we going to get it into our collective heads that the combustible materials inside of everything manufactured to are TOXIC. There are gases released inside of a structure fire that are 100% lethal with as little as one or two breaths.
First thing I learn at my station was how to fill the truck and using the portable dam...
My oldest son (now 40) has been a volunteer since he turned 16 or 17. He was that little boy who when he was 4/5 that he wanted to be a fire man (yes, it was two words to him) when he grew up. He never wavered in wanting t be a fire man! 😊 He has actually changed departments a couple of times over the years…..he married, he moved and most recently because the station he was with was not up to standard. He says that he is much more satisfied now. The attitude of each volunteer makes a huge difference too. I’m one proud momma.
I was a volunteer chief in a small town of 150 people. We covered an area outside of our town with 8 to 10 volunteers. It was a challenge getting two or more to show up on scene.
I can imagine...I've got nothing but respect for volunteers...very difficult, and often thankless job.
Jesus… My department runs a very large mutual aid area as a rapid intervention team, going from suburbia to very remote and rural areas. We have some problems with manpower, but we appreciate what we have when we see the departments that are on the edges of our structure fire response area barely have anyone or anything.
@@bobbys1984 Trailers and manufactured homes on a regular basis lol
@@thisissparta789789 We had a great relationship with surrounding departments and trained with them every week. LaGrange, Williston, and Moscow in southwest Tennessee
I was on a volunteer department for 21 years, and experienced both situations. We were at one point so proficient that one of our engines would be requested by name to respond to major wildfires around the state, to oversee helibase ops. But I also remember one car fire where almost everyone on the engine and truck was new, and in the adrenaline stress of the moment took forever to don their air tanks, pull the attack hose, and hook the hydrant. An assistant chief and I ended up pulling the attack hose while I was trying to get the new guys focused enough to get the work done. That was an embarrassing fire for us, and showed us right where to put a lot of our focus on training. We had bi-weekly drills, monthly truck checks to ensure familiarity as well as mechanical maintenance of all equipment, etc. It just happened on that one that the majority of the firefighters were seeing their first ever "real" fire, and had to be reminded of their training. The only experienced people were the asst chief, myself (captain), and the lieutenant of the truck.
On this call, I have to wonder why the truck didn't lay in from the hydrant on arrival since it was so close, but I can't criticize because I don't know if they had that capability or equipment to do so. Our truck carried 1000' of 5" hose, but not all do.
Omg. This kills me. As a former volunteer. This never happened at my department because we trained. And there were times I went by myself or with one other person. My cousins the same and my brother in law.
In my department during slow times, we were instructed to locate equipment and start them, use them and study them. We memorized the locations and applications. As far as other disciplines go, we often would book study other areas but not required to. I was only structure fire and i only proficiently knew that area.
Being a volunteer isn't an excuse for not knowing your kit!
In the UK we have the RNLI which provides marine rescue.
This is all run by volunteers apart from the mechanics and is a charity. All very professional!
I’m currently going thru the Florida state fire college and this channel is amazing I love the in depth breakdowns and insight
Went through the exact same thing in 2014 in WV. Had a beautiful A frame home with cedar siding and once the porch caught fire it spread like newspaper. Volunteer co was less than a mile down the street and it took them over 30 mins to get there (to their credit it’s all volunteer and most of them probably weren’t there. When they arrived they all just slowly got out and wandered around, as if they had zero idea what to do. My home was fully engulfed by this time, my truck alarm was going off as the side of the house had pretty much blown out and maybe 15 mins after arriving they finally start to get water out, all while telling each other “I’ve got pictures of the truck!“ And “I’ve got video of the top floor collapsing!” No real care (now this is coming from a man who’s never had to watch his home and everything he owned burn down and no, I’m not a fire fighter and never have been) but once we went to the station to do a report they were all hooping and hollering loudly and saying things like “look at this one! Look at that dudes truck!” And “oh check this picture out!” To the point I stood up and yelled as loud as I could “IM STILL IN HERE! Save your show and tell for when I leave, have some respect!”
The next day walking around with the chief and fire marshal the chief looks in the basement window and says “good news! Your drum set still looks intact!” To which I replied “oh yeah, sitting in 3 feet of water…” he said “so what? It’s still good isn’t it?” This man had no idea that once wood gets wet, it warps… Just highly untrained people. My house would have been a total loss either way but still, I feel for this poor woman.
I was in the fire service for 15 years. Mostly volunteer. And we always had a rule about the driver/operator that if you didn't know what you were doing or where you were going, you stayed out of that seat. I was an instructor as well as a Captain at my last department and my guys all knew that if they wanted to learn anything at all, all they had to do was hit me up and we would meet at the station and train. Even if it was just one on one. I also noticed in the beginning of the video that the nozzleman didn't seem very familiar with the nozzle as he had it opened to a very wide angle fog and the guy next to him kept adjusting the pattern for him.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the videos! I’ve got my panel interview on the 20th, and I’m binge watching all of your interview prep videos lol.
Not shaming this at all because I’m sure that every town has been here before; however, In a volunteer town when you have no idea when the second arriving company will be, the first due apparatus “MUST” secure a water supply. At the end of the day it’s all about the basics. Water puts out fire. With heavy fire showing on arrival, the block should never be taken dry.
No, not every town has been here.
The ladder truck probably doesn't carry supply lines
@@Nectarking the 2 things ladders " commonly " carry are ladders and LDH............. since they rely on engines and hydrants to get water.
That was painful to watch! Great breakdown…
Have been involved in the Fire Service as both a career and volunteer. Spent 17 years as chief of a 100% volunteer department. One thing that always bothered me and I worked hard to eliminate is the attitude and feelings that "We're only volunteer... we did the best we could." Obviously, this department learned the hard way that an attitude like that isn't in the best interest of the public you serve.
"we're volunteer firefighters. we do everything paid firefighters do, in our spare time" is a much better attitude.
What's really stupid is having a volunteer dept. when you should be PAYING people to work full time.
@@ffjsb so i guess you think your taxes should be higher.
@@kenbrown2808 If it goes to running and maintaining a fire department with staff who are paid to stop my house burning down then yes. If you pay tax at all and you don't even get a dedicated fire department then your taxes are going to the wrong place.
@@DonaldBiden there's no guarantee your level of service will improve. One paid firefighter costs more per year than 20 or 30 volunteers. And there's no guarantee that they can stop your house burning down.
Thank you for everything you stated. I started on a Volunteer department where I made $29/ year. I am now a full time Lt at a combination dept. We pride ourselves in making sure that everyone is proficient with every piece of equipment and have 1 of the most rigorous operator programs in our area. We are surrounded by volunteer depts and cover over 100 square miles with 2 stations, 8 personnel on a good day. There have been many times when we have had to step in and assist area dept with pumping. Take pride in your work and be safe Brother.
the "dump the tank" is the big thing for me, the chief wanted water now, but the pump op was more concerned getting the hydrant hooked up.
They ran out of water because the trucks was not prepared. I think when firefighters are sitting at the station they should learn the equipment's and always fill the trucks with water and make sure everything is fully filled and fully equipped for the next fire. Be prepared before it happens.
0:39 yes. At the very least 1 person on the truck. If you are driving the truck, you need know how to safely and effectively use every single tool on that truck. You need to be able to act as IC and know your mutual aid resources. Because (in a volly dept), if no one is around and you're responding driver only, guess what, you're in charge.
I can understand that not everyone in a volly dept is going to be a master of every hat that we wear. But it is a FIRE DEPARTMENT; every single member needs to know how to use a hydrant, every single officer needs to know how to drive an pump. Every single driver needs to know their rig backwards and forwards. If your town doesn't have a lot of hydrants, then someone needs to set their ego aside, get off the engine and drive the tanker instead.
There are 6 people, standing in the yard with no water. Surely one of them could've gone back to the ladder, grabbed the hydrant bag and pulled some LDH to get some water.
And no dept member should be running around the fireground in shorts and crocs.
Good insight, these are all fair points. Would you say that over time as FDs take on more and more roles we get further away from our "original mission" ...firefighting?
@@mike_pertz Definitely. Each individual role demands more time spent training, that could be spent training for firefighting.
@@mike_pertz maybe that does happen, but it shouldn't. AFAIK, fires have been trending down (nationally) and my dept is "lucky" to get 1 structure fire per year so it is easy to get distracted from our original mission.
What makes FF's great is our creative problem solving, ability to improvise in the worst possible situations and have a steady hand when walking into the mouth of the beast. Now give that person a rope, stokes basket and MDP and they're unstoppable. Maybe it does make our job harder, having to fill so many roles, but it also doesn't make sense to have a FD, rope rescue dept, water rescue dept, car crash dept. IMHO, that would be a waste of money and manpower. And in a volly town, that would be 100% impossible.
IE, in general, FF's already have the best characteristics for these additional roles. we have room on the trucks for equipment, for the most part we have manpower, and (in a volly dept) since we're not doing a live burn every week, we have the time to learn these things.
TLDR: yes, we are getting away from our "original mission" and that's ok. In general, that is the right thing to do. If anything, our original mission is being fulfilled because fires are trending down but other calamities are on the rise and we need to be ready for all of them.
Maybe our Original Mission could be written as "rescuing people from dangerous environments that nobody else has the training or equipment for."
As firefighter from the UK with 38 years service this is totally unacceptable
theguardian commentisfree/2022/jul/22/wildfires-fire-service-climate-crisis-staff-cut
11,500 British frontline fire staff cut over the past decade. Just like UK healthcare, everything your government touches turns to shit.
I am glad every time all my fire brigade has to know is how to extinguish fires. It's hard enough and if we had to crew a technical vehicle many would sadly quit over the added stress.
We were doing cross training back in the late 70's early 80's. Our part-paid department required everyone be certified to respond to runs. Hydrant locations were kept in a book located in every fire apparatus we had including our ambulance. This is amazing to watch. But I've always wondered, what are the police always walking around the foreground doing?
Literally they are told to do crowd control and safety for bystanders. They aren't given a role because typically resource management stops at the different agency types.🤷♂️
@@kellenphillips68 Yeah, I know, I was a lieutenant in the fire service, you missed the joke. So much for the shoulder shrug. Police don't have any business being near a working fire without PPE.
I noticed when i became a truck driver that no many states or cites did like we did for the hydrants where we had Blue Reflectors in the road and same thing we had a map back at the dept that had all the hydrants and every year we go around make sure everything was lined up with the map make sure new hydrants was up there and looking for missing reflectors. If we was going to an area where a line make not get to a water supply we would send out the Water tanker which was a tractor trailer combo with a 5500 gal tank and we had access to two of them due to the area we was in we had some spots back then with no water.
I feel so sorry for the home owner, she was very calm. Volunteers do the best job they can under the circumstances you pointed out. Great analysis ✌
Your videos and knowledge of fire science is great as an owner of a fire suppression company which encompasses hood and duct installed automatic fire extinguishing system installation as well as fire detection and alarm systems. Your videos are great to show my guys why our systems are crucial to life safety as well as early suppression to aide fire depts in more containable fire. I always stress proper installations which are filed and a compliance insp is performed as well as proper maintenance and following state and local codes and NFPA requirements.
Seeing this and im glad the firefighter from my city (Surabaya, Indonesia) yesterday did a extremly great job at extinguishing a major mall fire at floor 5 in around 30 minutes and left the cooling down for 7 hours just to be sure all minor fire and smoke was out, I'm also glad they got a completely use their asset of 3 big skylift ladder truck in 15 minutes after first truck reach the scene and informed hq
What a lot of people don't realize as well with volunteers is how much it can cost, not just in time, but with money. Not every department is well equipped and many volunteers end up paying out of pocket for tools and gear. I've been a volly for two years now in what could be considered one of the best (if not the) non-career departments in my state and I still have had to pay out of pocket for some things. It's hard balancing time when you work full time, have kids, and are training and responding to calls. Our department is called out every day and we don't do medicals!
You dont volunteer unless you are ready willing and able. No excuses.
I'm volonteer from Croatia, we are primarly support for professionals but we are also able to operate alone as unit because we are trained in same way as they are. Our priority when dealing with structure fire is at least 2 guys deploy hose line and begin spraying water while driver is tasked by connecting truck to hydrant for continous water supply and maintaining pressure from pump.
To answer your question… Yes!! Even volunteers should know how to operate their equipment. I’ve been a volunteer firefighter for over 14 years. There’s not a pay department in our county. I’m also now the captain of my department. We do training every other week on every piece of equipment in our station. Are guidelines state, if you do not know how to operate the truck. Don’t just jump in it and run with it. You can’t do anybody any good if you don’t know how to operate the truck when you get on scene. We have three trucks in our station. Pumper, Tanker, and a Brush/Rescue truck. Pumper truck holds 1800 gallons of water. Our Tanker truck holds 2200 gallons of water. And our Brush truck/Rescue truck, holds 350 gallons of water. And all three of them have foam capability built-in. We have also come along way since I first started. With newer updated equipment to work with. Starting with the Trucks having a 2019, 2010, and a 2005 models. That we bought brand new. Custom built to our specifications for our needs.
When I saw the title, I thought the fire department burned down. 😂
I'm wondering what the title even means lol.
I've been on both paid and volunteer fire departments...and both made it mandatory that if you were the pump operator you HAD to know what you were doing or you weren't allowed to do it. At least without supervision. But obviously they didn't have adequate supervision.
Homeowner: “Do something!”
Firefighter: “OK, I’m going home. I’m not getting paid for this, anyway.”
Im not getting paid*
Where I'm from our newest trucks for volunteers now carry over 4000L of water (1050 gallons). It interesting to hear how little water US trucks carry.
For volunteer departments I think it is unreasonable to expect them to know how to do everything. I think splitting rescue and fire fighting between 2 different services if it's volunteer based is completely appropriate provided a centralised command system is in place with both agencies reporting to the same dispatchers and commanders.
I can’t imagine how frustrating it must have been to watch 8-10 firefighters milling around in the yard doing nothing while your house burns down. I know it’s more complicated than that, but I would be out of my mind.
As a Volunteer, I can attest it is extremely difficult to get training hours in working a full time job. I’ve been on for about 7 months, I try to go on as many calls as possible to get as much knowledge and “on the job training” as I can. There’s always something new to learn at every call.
I can imagine...I've got nothing but respect for volunteers....difficult, and unfortunately sometimes a thankless job.
Amen. And ask questions. Fire junkies LOVE taking about running the engine, scba, anything.
Same boat but Been on nearly two years. I’ve seen fire but it is hard to make it to some trainings as I’m also a truck driver. Although local runs still long hours
tbh,... I'm a german volunteer for over 16 years now, weekly training + specialized courses and about 60-100 emergencies a year and we're good, but I can't operate everything
in an interior attack I'm as good or better than most professionals (we work a lot with them), they trust me and we're side to side, but I am only as good because I don't drive our trucks and barely know how to operate our pumps
We always found time. There is Saturdays even if it was just once a month all day. An hour a day after work even it is just to go over everything on the trucks knowing where things are supplies are stocks air tanks are filled. Nothing pissed me off more than half the tanks being empty being a Volunteer fire fighter doesn't mean you have to be just fighting fire and to many of these nozzle jockey's think they don't have to do anything else. That is why we had to put in so many hours a month, be it call outs or just working around the station. And our whiteshirts made damn sure nobody was every standing around watching a fire, You are there YOU DO SOMETHING.
Who's responsible.............the chief.
It is up to the chief to ensure that the department is ready to respond in a proficient manner. It is the chief who is responsible for all actions on the emergency scene. That is regardless of whether the chief was there or not.
The chief is the one who is responsible ensure that people are adequately trained. It is the chief who is responsible to ensure that a person can fully operate a piece of equipment. It is the chief who is responsible to say that a firefighter is interior qualified. The chief is responsible to ensure that there is adequate personnel to perform the task.
Now let's break that down. The chief cannot make people train. The chief cannot force people to show proficiency in every aspect of firefighting. The chief cannot watch every member go through every evolution of training. The chief cannot force people to show up when there is an emergency. -------- BUT ------- The chief can make sure that members know of all training available. The chief can lead drills and evolutions to check on members' skills. The chief can be present when setting up standards for what constitutes proficiency and check on those who are tasked with testing. The chief can set up aid agreements with other departments for when their department cannot perform all tasks necessary.
In almost all of the volunteer fire departments I have seen, the chief is elected by the members. There may or may not be minimum standards set for the position, but mostly, it is the members who elect the chief. That means that the chief stated that they wanted the responsibility of the position. For them not to do the job is no one's fault but their own. If the chief doesn't have the members around to do the job, it is their responsibility to get mutual aid there.
I am not negating personal accountability. I have seen many, many people who say "I can run that", or "I can do that, I have done that so many times", or "I have been doing this since you were in diapers". My response is simply, "Show me. I am willing to learn."
I do wonder why they waited for the engine to arrive when it looked like all of a 300' lay to the hydrant. No reason 2 firefighters couldn't have hand jacked that quick.
You nailed it 100000% perfectly said.
Love the guy with the reserve hose looking like "So am i getting water for this or should i just bring out the hotdogs? cause this is turning into a BBQ" XD
Did NOT expect to get this in my recommended. I’m actually enrolled at CSU working towards a BA in Arson Investigation. Thanks for the video!
in germany we have mostly volunteer departments, and there it's usually the way to go for people to specialiize, most people are not trained on everything and we only leave the station when we have the personell to do the job
Holy shit!!!
That would infuriate me beyond belief!!!
God bless that woman...
This is why European appliances carry first aid hose reels. The crew pulls out the hose, the driver sets the pump running and the wet stuff comes out of the tank. While that's happening the driver then sets up the intake line from the hydrant. _Then_ it's time to run out the main hoses BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU WON'T RUN OUT OF WATER.
I remember with Hereford and Worcester fire brigade, the driver would usually run the pump, their PPE would be on the engine, so they'd jump in the engine in their normal station wear, drive to the fire, flick a switch in the cab which would activate the pumps, then quickly change into their fire ground gear and be running the pumps at the back, so you wouldn't have to wait for them to get to the back to run the pumps. Also helpful so they could run out and use the first aid hoses without delay. Driver starts the pump as soon as they arrive on scene, before anyone is even off the engine, first firefighter off the engine grabs the hose and starts tackling the fire within seconds, not the minutes which us firefighters seem to take while they have a meeting to decide who'll get the hose off the truck
@@philiplettley That's standard for all UK appliances.
The Fire doesn’t ask whether you’re paid or volunteer, it will kill you and damage everything in its path until it’s put out, whether that be by a volunteer or paid agency.
It’s nice that there was a convention which affected manpower but at that point if you know that most of your active members are out of town then the appropriate stand by crews should be assigned and made available.
I’m not talking about mutual aid either, if you know that your entire department is going out of service then you assign stand by crews and utilize every available personal within your department. Assign leadership positions and apparatus assignments.
Just as an aside, water supply issues affect every department at some point whether it’s a inadequate water source or malfunction of an apparatus.
This fire happened years ago. The first company was Pennington Road fire company they were a mix vol. and paid even back in the 80's . They are usually a very good dept just not one of their better days. Just so you know this was not a small company. Probably the largest company in Ewing Township.
I’m in 51’s response area, believe Pennington Road or Prospect Heights are the largest companies in Ewing
Boy did Command drop the ball on this one. Coming from a department with no hydrant system, outside of rescue, first priority is water supply. It's fine to have a ladder with limited tank water to make an initial attack but the second due truck SHOULD be grabbing a hydrant or at least dropping a line to supply the attack crew with their water. Command, hearing the approaching unit should've directed that truck to lay in.
Here's an idea. Reduce reliance on volunteer firefighters? Instead of an entire house being volunteer, why not split it 50/50? 50% of firefighters in the house are professional full-time, and 50% are volunteers? Saves money from having to pay for a full house but still allows professionalism and training to be present.
I live in the UK and that's how my local station is set up. It has two engines, one is for volunteers and the other is for professionals. No one in my area has ever complained about the fire service.
Our department has a handful of people that typically drive our trucks, but pretty much every one of us can pump off any of our 4 trucks. On any given call anyone can walk up to any truck and be able to pump water, it is the number one priority that our chief drilled into us when we first join the department. We usually pull a truck or two out every month and get a refresher on how to pump off that truck so we should always be refreshed on any given truck. We're a very rural department so we don't get many structure fires and it's even rarer that we have hydrant access on the ones we do get. I remember being on one call in the middle of winter where a farm shop was burning down. By the time we got there there was nothing left to try to save except for a small shack that was filled with junk (mostly household renovation scraps that weren't good for anything). We started putting water on the fire but we were waiting for a water truck to show up to start refilling us so we had to be very conservative in case the wind shifted direction and embers started going towards the house. Because of that we ended up having to stop putting water on the fire to keep some in reserve until our water supply showed up. We probably had to wait a good 15-20 minutes where we just had to watch it burn and do nothing. I know the owner was a bit frustrated by that but unfortunately that's just the reality of being such a rural department, though it was kind of confusing as to why he was so worried about a shack filled with useless junk.
I know this is a long comment but I just felt it was a good idea to explain how some volunteer departments in the country try to make things uniform and similar for their members to try and reduce incidents such as the one displayed in the video to occur
as a volunteer firefighter myself I can say as far as for our department that we try to keep our trucks as uniform as possible for training and operation purposes. Our fire department runs two full service tankers and one reserve tanker, two structural capable pumpers, and four wildland rigs. The two main tankers were built by the same company a few years apart but we still made sure to keep the layout and pump on the tankers as similar as possible so that if you are put in one of these trucks they are both run relatively the same way. Our structure pumpers are twenty years apart in age the oldest being a 2001 and our newest a 2021 that we just received. Both these trucks run on the same brand of truck as well as our tankers so driving is rather similar in that aspect as well. There are differences between our pumpers due to the age difference but a relatively similar concept and setup. As my dad is the main pump operator and I am beginning my training as a pumper operator as well it is still relatively easy to exchange operation and concepts between our two trucks. As we are a primarily rural department both pumpers have over a thousand gallons of water I can't recall the exact number and when we respond to possible structure fires our first two trucks out are always the main pumper and one of our tankers to ensure we have a plentiful water supply right off the batt. Our wildland trucks we have two pickups and two larger military surplus trucks all run off of Honda engines for the pumps and carry similar complements of tools. I guess what I am trying to get at is that the chiefs of our department are trying to make everything as uniform as possible such to reduce training for members and make members familiar with all of our trucks a lot quicker. We also run a ambulance and ALS quick response unit that we also try to keep things paired as similar as possible. Our ambulance is setup identical to the local paid ambulance service as we run almost all of our EMS calls with them and reduces confusion on the scene of EMS calls.
This is good. Thank you for posting this.
That Chief is way out of his league. Talking to the resident the way he did then yelling at the engine. How about he take the initiative to grab one of the 5 guys standing around and hand jack a line to the plug. Lead by example and build public trust.
Central NC Volly here- our department (1100 calls a year) is super aggressive. Our academy’s, even non-career 6 month fire academy’s at our regions community colleges push aggressive fire fighting tactics. “Everybody wants to be John Wayne till it’s time to do some John Wayne s***” Just based on where we’re at, all our volunteer and part-time departments between Charlotte to Greensboro are top notch. North Carolina has a super proud fire fighting tradition in the vollys especially. We run with career departments and often catch more fires than our career departments, a lot of the guys and girls who go career still keep connected with their small departments where they got their start. It’s awesome to be a part of.
I remember a total cluster once where a fillin captain was yelling all the way from the moment he jumped into the captains seat, questioning the eo’s route, and then the rookie had trouble pulling the supply hose because the appliance (which stayed attached) was stuck on the rail of the hose bed….the attack pumper had to drag his own supply line to the hydrant. Sometimes unseen crap happens that affects outcomes and video only shows the results.
My heart goes out to the lady. Just absolutely horrible for her to watch. I hope she gets back on her feet soon ❤️👍🏽👍🏽🇬🇧
When big conventions happens around here, some towns will make arrangements for extensive mutual aid. One town near me has 12 fire departments, and when the big conventions happen, they will rotate who goes to the convention every year and set up “task forces” to handle calls. It can make for rather amusing dispatches for calls (I’ve heard three companies get toned out for a flooded basement during a convention, and five companies get toned out for a fire alarm), but it’s certainly better than the alternative we have here.
If it's a multi day convention with different things each day why can't it be mandatory to rotate such as half a department go one day and the other half the other day?
The village I grew up in we called the fire dept. The foundation savers . I am pretty sure that is the only thing they ever managed to save. To this day despite being the highest taxed place for many miles around they still have a volunteer fire fighting dept. They mostly get together on practice night and drink beer. A few pro fire fighters did volunteer there but they all quit because the dept. is a joke but they are the good old boys so the town never gets rid of them .
Very fair evaluation
This is an absolute crime. People are paying taxes for fire protection but are not getting it.
We are a busy paid on call volly department. Everyone is trained on everything from EO to ice rescue. But there's a difference between trained, familiar, and proficient. I am trained on everything. I'm familiar with our tower and I'm proficient with or tender. If I'm EO, it's on the tender or quick attack. We have a number of proficient folks that can run the engines and tower. We have people that are first in line for ice rescue, extrications, etc. Nobody is going to be forced to do something they aren't comfortable with. You'll probably never see me in the tower bucket on a multi story roof. I'm not big on heights. Interior attack? Bet your ass I'll be nozzleman. Same with car fires. I'll be last to hop in the EO seat of the tower. I can do it, but there's 5 more that can do it way better. Until I'm proficient, I'm letting them take it.
We all have command training. But we have 5-7 folks that are significantly more experienced in it that normally handle it.
In this instance, our goal is to to ensure that once a line is opened, it will not run dry. These folks had a hydrant close by. There should be no reason for a loss of water on that scene aside from a municipal supply failure.
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Understand they ran out of water, but then, SHUT THE DAM FRONT DOOR!
This is my first time watching your videos. Very informative and professional. Nice work! I have subscribed.
I am not a firefighter nor am I planning on becoming one but I still find the information interesting for some reason… I also watch some of the tv shows so like to know what it looks like in real life I guess haha (I know tv is not accurate).
It is interesting information, apparatus, hydrology (or even just the basic science), etc. The apparatus Driver/Operators (formerly called Engineers) have to calculate or memorize various GPM, PSI, etc for the various hose sizes, lengths, and nozzles on their apparatus.
when I was a kid, I lived in a remote area with lots of abandoned OLD houses. Like beautiful turn of the century farm houses in various states of decay. Out of nowhere, one by one, they started burning. Eventually the volunteer fire chief's son was discovered to be lighting the fires out of "boredom". Most of the houses were pretty bad off but they burned a couple that really were just abandoned, still in great shape, and rather historical. Forget how much time he wound up serving, but it was quite a lot.
In the Netherlands there is no difference in training between career and volunteer firefighters. Both have to pass the same exams, work with the same equipment under the same circumstances. They only difference is that career FF’s have a schedule when they have to be on duty and volunteers don’t. They can decide for themselves when they are available. That is why we strive for 300% staffing at volunteer fire stations so that we can assure we have enough FF available to respond when a call comes in. Volunteers also get a very reasonable compensation for both the hours responding to incidents as well as training hours.
Split level ranch style smoke tells me that the fire is still kicking hot even after the water is flowing for a few seconds. Mike I understand you are knowledgeable and I respect what you say.
Man I feel bad for them. Looked like they started out doing really well, but then the water supply died and that was that.
My friend from upstate New York was a volunteer firefighter. When he told me that in the US you have volunteer departments and not just permanent fulltime crews ready to go instantly to a call it was horrifying.
Most of the world utilizes volunteers
@@xzxxx2351 most of the world? Well certainly not in Europe or any other developed nation
@@Dirpitz "In countries such as Norway, Czechia, Denmark, Finland, France and the Netherlands over 70% of the firefighters are volunteers, while in Germany, Austria and Portugal, over 94% of firefighters are volunteers. Below you can see a chart showing the percentages of volunteers in the fire service across various countries in Europe from a survey conducted by Brandweeracademie in 2019."
@@casualaccount9431 Wikipedia? if you're gonna copy paste at least read what you are copy pasting. Still that's rather telling that places like France or Germany fail to prioritise the safety of their own citizenry
@@Dirpitz It is not from Wikipedia, it is from a reputable site that focuses on fire fighting around the world. I was just quoting from it. What country are you from I can tell you how much of it is volunteer.
I don't know how this end up in the algorithm today, but I'm glad I came across this channel. Definitely subscribing, because this is also useful for my gig as a volunteer photographer for my local media.
The volunteer dept I was with required us to know ALL our equipment, where they were o each Truck, as well as know how to do all the positions. We did weekly 4 hrs of training. And twice a year we were tested. If we failed 2 tests in a row we were removed fro response status till we passed two tests withing 30 days of each other. Then we were allowed to go back onto response status.We also had a first response ambulance that we all eventually were required to be trained and proficient on EMT training and layout of the "bus"
We were when I started paid NOTHING and we're truly volunteer. But just before I left the dept we were being paid $50/call and $200/mth to be on call.
We are a part time FD and the standing order when a structure fire call comes in is to drop the 4'' at the hydrant ( unless otherwise instructed by officer on duty). Our chiefs do not want to halt an attack because we're about to run out of water. They prefer for us to take between 30 and 60 seconds to secure a hydrant and only move forward.
Wow...if you stand around long enough the fire will go out on it's own.
Ah the dreaded foundation method.
@@jreese46 Works every time!
when UI first joined a volunteer department our first in got water on the fire and second in ran a hydrant line to the first to secure a rapid attack, then the second truck would set up to reinforce, worked beautifully without any issues, we also would not get issued a pager until we completed our rookie training and then we had a probation period, once we completed our training we knew all our trucks inside and out
Volunteer fireman for years. These guys kept ther cool. Good job
Can we talk about their bunker gear for a minute, its brand spanking new, the helmets and reflectors and station or county names would be very charred or smoke stained if they were active
Or their equipment was just replaced.
My Department, personnel-wise, is extremely smaller than the one in the video, and I can think of a few cases where something like this would happen in our department.
My department is in the Appalachian mountains, very remote, 51% of our district is one-lane dirt roads with switchbacks and worse (think goat trails). This means our main station and 2 substations are all very isolated from each other. It takes 25 minutes for the nearest station running full code 3 to assist my substation. As such my little substation is not familiar at all with much of the other station's apparatus. If a call comes in on the opposite side of our run we usually won't even respond, because by the time we get there the call is over. If it snows hard (1ft+) then the roads connecting us to our other stations become impassable and we're all on our own.
My substation in reality has 2 active firefighter/ems personnel. Myself (In my twenties - EMR/FF (not even FF1)) and my captain (in his 70s - EMT/Retired Career FF). If a call ever goes out to the opposite end of our run, and for some reason it's just my captain and I responding POV, we'd both be unfamiliar with the trucks at the other 2 stations. We have cursory knowledge, but not in-depth.
I don't know that there's a good way to fix that in our situation other than getting the county to improve roads so that we can spend time at the other stations.
I use to volunteer for the Australian bush fire brigades, we trained regularly during winter once a week in the brigade once a month with other brigades, in summer at least once a week if not twice if we were having a slow week. During winter we would attend at least one call out a fortnight in summer some of us were out every day for 8-12 hr rotations depending on who was available. In the height of the fire season we would be deployed with any brigade. Hence why training with other brigades was so important. But we were 100% volunteer no pay at all we got uniforms, pep, and equipment but other than that we had to pay for including food and drinks. $5 a call out would have been great but we did it for the love of doing it.
For my department in nj we have taken out a whole house fire on just 300 gallons from a ladder truck
Almost 50 years ago now, my then-husband was a volunteer firefighter in a tiny local, 99.9% fire department. Only the man who headed the department was a pro, and one the county paid to be kept on site 24/7 (he lived one block from the fire station).
Anyhow, most of the guys had that same attitude---"we're "only" volunteers"---but my husband's attitude was far worse, and far more dangerous.
He was just 23 when he joined, and he was very recently out of the Navy, so had a big head about his supposed "expertise." They got called out to a huge barn fire, several hundred head of cattle trapped inside the rapidly burning barn, all of them frightened and bellowing out in their fear. Dumb-head Husband made a stupid joke along the line of "Well, when this is all said and done, we can get our families and come back for the biggest barbecue we've ever had around here" (we lived in a very remote, very tiny area of our state, far from professional services of any kind. Only five police officers altogether to serve around the clock, for instance).
He wasn't kept as a volunteer for much longer after that. The farmer was well known, well liked, and was a very nice man who would butcher a cow and give a quarter (that's a lot of meat, if anyone isn't familiar with how much a quarter of a beef is) of it to any local family that was struggling for food.
To hear such a stupid, unthinking, heartless statement coming out of someone's mouth as a "joke" was more than anyone else could tolerate, so Dumb-head was told to not show up to any future fires, at least until he grew up a lot. He was, probably still is, a total jerk.
Is it reasonable to expect volunteers to be proficient in every single discipline? No... but probably should be proficient in the thing 95% of volunteers sign up for, fighting fires lol
Shoutout to Chief just walking around not chewing anyone out for being complete soup sandwiches.
Hard if your first due is a ladder which doesn't always hold as much as an engine. Running out of water sucks but glad nobody was inside when this happens.
ive been a vol since i was 14, depending on the location of the hydrent, the engine should of pulled up, layed out hand lines and continued attack, then if the hydrent was near by should of did a revers lay and hit the hydrent, hooked to the ladder truck and then get the ladder truck up and water on the fire, thus, feeding the engine and ladder with water. never should of had that engine park that far away. whoever said i dont care about the hydrent---dump the tank, screwed up big time. that fire was semi knocked down by the first 200-300 gallons from the truck, engine showed up with 500-800 gals, they could of kept it knocked down til they reversed layed into a hydrent, giving water to the truck and engine and keeping it from getting outta control. as being a Capt and Asst chief before that would of been my move.
It looks as if they lack knowledge about straight streams...fog stream has low penetration through the flames...it`s so efficient in absorbing heat that it evaporates at a high % even before touching the flames and obviously before touching what`s burning.
Fire shouldn’t be doing EMS
That's definitely something not many people talk about. In many places thats 80%+ of call volume...doesn't leave a lot of time for fire training.
@@mike_pertz I'm from England so having fire and rescue doing medical response is strange, the NHS runs the ambulance service with each ambulance having at least one paramedic, fast response cars with advanced paramedics and trauma car's with a couple of critical care paramedics and frequently a trauma doctor, helimed is also used for first response with the same staffing as the trauma car, the best way to explain it is bringing the ER and OR to the scene rather than the patient to the ER, there are a number of series on CZcams following helimed, trauma cars and major trauma centers for those who are interested
That sinking feeling when the camera pans from the truck back to the house and it's already rolling again.
in my opinion there's no excuse for not having a paid full time fire department anywhere on the east coast. These aren't small little rural communities anymore.
I don't think you understand the full extent of east coast communities or the number of rural ones. Source: was a volly for a rural east coast community
@@zfjames I'm in PA and they still have volly companies surrounding Philly. No reason for that. Most are bedroom communities and there's no one around during the day to answer the calls. Also these are as dense in population as Philly. That's why my comment. I can understand in rural communities but not in dense population suburban settings.
@@my2cents945 I can understand that, but that's a great local opportunity to get involved in your local government and ask why respectfully. Maybe there's a good reason maybe there's not. Including the entire east coast is a needless overgeneralization of what may be a local problem
@@zfjames I believe the problem has more to do with politics and little fiefdoms than logistics. I should have narrowed it down a bit to the great megalopolis between Boston and Washington DC. Most of these little communities bleed into the next and there's nothing rural about them.
@@my2cents945 If it's something you're genuinely concerned about, and I'd argue if there's a problem you should be to some degree because safety of family and others, see if you can get in contact with a local legislator and ask them why. Maybe they have compelling reasons or maybe that's your lobbying opportunity for change