Vary good video Tim. Look forward to the rest of these. I definitely have to agree that it’s vary fusterating to find a good comparison video between them.
Great review! I love the objectivity of the videos. It is easy yo see bias where they are trying to sell you something. I grew up on JD 820 and 830 and Ford 8N. I owned a JD 4620 (135 hp) and 4850, with 10,000 hrs it still would dyno 216 peak and 196 continuous. Great tractors. I have retired and now own a Kubota B 3350 and Grand L5740. Both cab tractors. I love the hi low range lever on the column of the 5740. I use it every time I get in the tractor.
Honest facts.... help your own country and not out source tractors. What happens when something breaks better to buy a better supplier that has more parts on hand... “johndeere”
I've seen all I needed to know by watching all your previous videos. Watching what you've been able to accomplish with Johnnie is what convinced me to pull the trigger 2 months ago and get a 1025 of my own. Very happy with the decision. I enjoy watching and learning from all your adventures. Keep up the good work.
Tim, I’ve been following you since quite some time, your way of explaining things inspired me to buy my Johnny, also a 1025R. I’m not a brand jockey, but my JD shop is right around the corner, whereas a presence of Kubota shops takes me to much time to reach, hence I’ve got me a Johnny. Keep them review videos coming, you and your family are doing a marvelous job! On a side note, how about a review of an offset ditch mower! I’m in the market, but haven’t seen much in the InteeWeb about it, especially since I need to install a 3rd function for it. Yours truly, Volker
Thanks. I learned quite a bit by watching. I’ve got a BX, but I truly appreciate the objective comparisons. I’m really looking forward to what other contrasts you discover in the next episodes in this series!
Even though I’m above the sub compact tractor market, I think this is a really great review of both machines. It is full of useful information from someone other then a dealer. I think it will definitely help someone in the market for a machine. Well done Tim.
I am brand new to tractors. I got the 2019 massey 1735M. I have just over 100hrs on it. DId some food plots ,brush hogging, snow removal. So far really like it. Tim does amazing job with these reviews. Ive only done a few videos with the tractor. Its a lot of work but its been fun
Round #1 was exactly what I was hoping for - a fair comparison of important things between the 2 tractors. The 3 point hitch weight comparison was very interesting and answers a question that I was wondering about my own BX2680, so thank you. Can't wait for the next round!
Glad to see someone comparing two tractors of the same year. Usually when you see Kubota and John Deere comparisons they are not comparing the same model year. Making one look far better than the other. Keep up the good work!
The three point hitch lower arms, on the Kubota , can be moved outward, to remove the quick hitch, by removing one of the pins at the end of the lower arms. The mower deck should be locked in the up position when using the three point hitch. I don't think you can go wrong with either tractor. I always look forward to your videos .
Tim, thanks for the unbiased review. I've been following your channel for a while and today I hit the subscribe button. So. I was researching both tractors for over several months and couldn't find a review that explained what you have done so far. Last week I bought the 1023e because I love the autoconnect deck and my JD dealer allowed me to test several machines on my property because of my crazy slopes. If you can do a review about slope mowing with a subcompact that would be great. Those videos are few and far between. Sending blessings from NY brother.
I bought a tractor a little over a year ago. I had intended to buy a John Deere, hadn’t even thought about Kubota. While our house was being built I asked all the machinery operators their opinions. They all told me either a Kubota or a Deere but they cautioned me the Deere dealer wasn’t good. I started calling the parts departments to find out availability of common “breakage” parts. In almost every case one dealer had the parts in stock, the other could have it in in a week or so. The end result, based on dealer support, was I bought a Kubota L4701. It’s been a good machine, and when I snapped a brush hog blade I had a new set later that day. So... evaluate your dealers!
Being a new 1025r owner, this series has been a wealth of information on the fine details of my tractor and how to use and adjust things. Great! “The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.” Ps 18:15
You are correct on the 3 point analysis. I do rest my hand on the lever on my GC2300 keeping it just over center in the lowered position while tilling. And Kubota would do well to add an inch or two of arm length. My equipment doesn't fit well on a BX because of pto length and I also drag my feet on shortening shafts to fit someone else's tractor.
As the owner of multiple Kubota units from BX series all the way through L series and even the MX series each individual tractor has its certain uses . until buying my first John Deere last year we have now found that the largest and most notable difference between kubota and John deer is the #1 weight john deer, HEAVIER #2 hydraulic system capability stronger as shown at the END of the video, personally I find myself usually running for a John deer FIRST but if the ground is WET well then, go grab the kubota because I can usually get into the job SITE and out of the job SITE with very little problems, just my personal experience, love them both, GREAT JOB ON THE VIDEO CAN'T WAIT FOR THE REST
Thank you so much for doing this. I have been researching compact tractors for about 5 months with the intention to buy spring 2020. You hit the nail on the head with most reviews being so biased and focused on silly things. You are probably planning to look at these items but I would love to see comparisons on cockpit controls and usability. Also scheduled maintenance and how easy or hard it is on each to preform service. Thanks again for the effort you are putting into this.
Thanks for the video, I have been trying to research these too myself but also have found very one sided arguments. I have found your views very helpful. One question I have is seat operation room, I am almost 7 foot tall so control postion and spacing for my legs and body is crucial, along with placment of controls for ease of operation. Thank you again and have a great day.
I feel one important issue you missed is that on the Kubota the mmm will lock out in the top position so as not to raise and lower every time you move the 3point hitch. Keeps in up out of the way. Very good review. Thanks Tim.
It will also lock in the top position on the JD 1025R but it takes less than a minute to take the Deere deck off. Think Deere will definitely win that round.
Tim, even though I bought the 1025r, went in to buying a tractor with an open mind. I had a Cub Cadet 5234d before it and loved it. Got a great deal used. But the decision was down to these 2 and the thing that made my decision was I know someone who works at the dealer HQ. 🤷🏻♂️ Again I feel like I got a great deal on a new tractor. Thanks and keep it up.
Hey Tim and Christy, I just bought a 2018 1025r. Thanks for all your content, it certainly helped my decision. That said, I was a bit biased from the onset, since I worked on John Deere equipment for years at a golf course. I love my tractor, and her capability continues to impress me. God bless!
I'm a Kubota guy, but I thought it was a very good review. I would be interested in knowing more about the Center of Gravity in relation to the rear tires; i.e., I would be interested in which is less likely to tip over an a grade. (It would be a math excerise, not a demonstration!). If they both had mid mount mowers attached that would ever be better! Thanks again and keep it up!
Nice to see an honest review. Thanks. I'm a Kubota BX23S owner, but I don't have a bias one way or the other. My choice came down to the dealer and which one treated me the best. Kubota won. Dealer location wasn't an issue since the Deere and Kubota dealers are across the street from each other. I thought the lack of position control would be a big negative when selecting the BX. After some thought I realized that the vast majority of 3 point work on a subcompact the hitch is either fully up or down. Then came the problem with the hitch not floating back down due to terrain changes. By opening up the flow valve and riding the lever to compensate for the terrain, the implement stays engaged. Sounds like a lot to do, but it quickly becomes second nature. There are so many excellent tractor brands available it's hard to go wrong. The one thing that I see way too often is people chasing specs. To those that say "My tractor can lift more than yours", yet will never come anywhere close to pushing the tractor to it's limits, what's the point? Buy the tractor that fits your needs, is within your budget, and if you can find a dealer that is honest and treats you well...you are in good shape.
Thanks for the review Tim. I happen to own the BX23S but I would be equally happy with a 1025R. I agree with your assessment. The 3 point height adjustment would be a nice feature and I wish I had had it when I was using my box blade on the driveway. I have since paved my driveway so its not much of an issue anymore. I would also love the JD drive over deck. While my Kubota deck is not that hard to take on and off I only do it when I have to. I chose the Kubota because my neighbor has one and I was able to watch him and ask lots of questions. I have both a John Deere dealer and a Kubota dealer about equal distances apart, both being less than 10 miles away. My John Deere dealer is fine but I enjoy working with the guys at the Kubota dealer more. I always enjoy watching your videos and seeing the differences between the various tractors you own and use. Thanks for the honest review. Its refreshing.
Enjoyed the video Tim & Christy. Enjoyed seeing the comparison between Orange and Green. I'm glad I could go with green. Looking forward to seeing more videos. Y'all take care and God bless.
Great job Tim! In 2006 I bought a Deere 2305 and it is setup like the Kubota, stabilizers on the inside and no (set spots) on the lift arms controls. Kubota, Cub Cadet, New Holland and Deere were all the same price. No Regrets on buying the Deere it has done me well. I would like to upgrade to the 1 series but the price keeps me from doing so and there is nothing wrong with the 2305. Thanks for the videos!
When I started looking for a compact tractor, I started with the BX. I ended up getting a B2650, and here's why: loader lift capacity, overall weight, 3-point hitch features, and ground clearance. The weight and loader capacity are obviously larger for the larger tractor. I understand the B2650 compares more closely to the Deere 3000 series. But I didn't like the BX not having position control on the 3-point hitch. My B2650 has position control, extendable links, and "telescoping flat bar style" stabilizers (on the inside), all of which works very well. (Maybe the BX now has optional "telescoping flat bar style" stabilizers?? That would be a great improvement.) The telescoping flat bar stabilizers have holes that you put a pin through to lock it at a certain length. They are easy to pull the pin and change the length. And there are enough holes to give a variety of usable lengths, including float positions.
Another great video Tim. I’ve actually thought about this a lot because I’m starting to have a lot of issues with my 2038r. The main issues I’m having is as follows, the stand of the loader has been replaced twice the bolts keep breaking it keeps bending. The mid mount mower setting is going haywire now. The front loader loses pressure whenever you have a load on it and you can almost watch it settling to the ground. My Backhoe You Must keep raising the Boom or the backhoe just bounces all over the place. And I am told by my dealer all this is normal just keep the pin in to keep it locked. So the only other tractor around me is orange. But service is the key and I am not getting it from my dealer.
I’ve owned John Deere’s for 35 years and love my dealer. But I bought a Kubota BX this month after spending months doing research. My three critical points are dealer, price and equipment. And it killed me to switch dealers, but price and equipment won out. Both will get the job done and you can’t go wrong with either.
greatmoose17 I’ve had a 1025 and I have a 2011 Kubota 3300. Zero issues with the Kubota. I sold the John Deere after constant replacement of the pins and other hardware on the drive over deck. Cheap metal.
There is a knob at the base of the seat that controls how fast the mower deck/3 point lift arms go down. For the tilling test you may need to open the valve/knob so it can float faster. I have run into this while grading out potholes with a rear blade. Great video!
I've been running a bx2370 for 6 years now mostly for snow removal with blower and broom. It's a great tractor, but the front quick hitch is sub par to the Deere and so are the attachments. I would choose the JD over the Kubota next time around.
That is my biggest complaint on the three point. When I tiller i keep my hand on the lever to let it go deeper when needed. I am glad someone else noticed it. I still love vs my bx
Tim, for the hydraulic PSI test the BX is rated to be at max pressure of 2000psi. Ive heard from factory its set between 1925 & 1950. When people use shims they usually raise it to 1975 to 1985psi range and see a noticeable difference.
Really appreciate your review. Can’t wait for the next video. 👍👍 any chance you can compare the belly mowers for mowing the lawn? I wonder if the weight difference of the tractors on the grass will have any affect since they both have R4 tires. Really appreciate the time, effort, and insight you put into all your videos.
we'll compare the mowers. our grass is essentially dead (from dry weather), so not sure if we'll have much to say about weight difference. Won't be able to get 'springtime' type test.
The thing is if john deere did the test they would point out all the good things of the jd and the bad things of the kubota it would be the same if kubota did the test si its great that you are doing it
They were about the same for me in my area at around 22k. The Kubota was a little more because of their warranty they force you into and I believe it was around $1400 or so. JD was pennies on the dollar, but don't think it is as good as the Kubota one. I think JD's was around $350 or so.
cashxx interesting just bought here a bx 2380 with frontloader for quite below 17k € the whole package with tiller, fail mower, snow shield with front hydraulic and grasland harrow and change the lower link eye with a normal euro catch hook... all for 23k € and 5 year warranty is included...
In the hill country here in central Texas a wider wheel base really helps out on the slopes and hills. I run a Yanmar 424 and it really has performed good for what I have used it for.
I am pretty stingy with likes on youtube. You sir, have earned one from me today. Keep up the good work and I cant wait to watch this series. I own a 1025r mostly because I got it for a good price. Most videos I have watched, no matter how honest they say they are going to be, usually is pretty biased. You did a great job being up front with details in this first video of the series.
Tim, you missed something VERY important. The Deere 1025r 3 point arms are Reversible. They provide different geometry depending on how you mount them. One way gives you higher lift. Please reverse them and show the viewers how it changes things... for better or worse. Thanks for the work you do,
Kubota diesel is significantly quieter than the yanmar. Both are great engines but you see way more kubota diesel engines in other brand equipment than just about any other manufacturer.
As with the tractors themselves, everyone has a different agenda and different approaches of doing things. So I'm not a big review person, but I do like seeing how different engineers think about the same task. As always great work guys.....
This was an awesome review, very well done Tim! I could not be happier with our John Deere 1025r, it's used frequently for many challenging tasks and I never have any issues whatsoever. Removing the mower deck and reinstalling it is a regular task and I have not experienced any complications with alignment. Our neighbor down the road has a Kubota series that is the larger version and it works great as well. For our property and our needs we love our 1025R! Our terrain is very uneven and rough with many steep slopes. Negotiating the slopes is a must while mowing our pasture but I have never felt at risk of tipping in the steep areas. Epic tractor!
Tim the reason why the tiller was lifting in the back was because you had the mower deck on. To solve that problem, Lift the mower deck all the way up, then set the mower height adjustment to top. this actually lets the three point hitch fall all by itself, Because the mower will stay at the top level were is will not interfere. Hope i explained that good. There also is an adjustment to limit the three point hitch, i will have to look that up when i have more time. Thanks for the video.
Really great review ! They both got better options then my Hinomoto E-14-D lol . I must say it's a little work horse though . Looks like the sweetcorn is coming along !
I think it’s hilarious you kept the mower deck on and cited the reason as “it’s a pain to remove”. It’s the exact reason why I opted for the Deere as it was huge for me. Great vid!
One of the biggest reasons I do wish I owned a Deere, the mid mount. That said, sales and support at Pape was arrogant and dismissive. Make sure you take that into account when making a purchasing decision. PTI (Pacific Tractor and Implement) a local dealer is why I own a BX and not a Deere. They have always treated a little guy like me with respect and first class service.
Owned a JD 1025R, was a decent tractor, wasn’t real impressed with quality. Just sold a Kubota B2601 and that was a good tractor. I’m on to a Kioti NX5510. So far so good
When it comes to the peddles it's a matter of preference. There is a small advantage to the treadle peddle when you are turned around looking behind you. It's easier to switch back and forth from forward to backward with a treadle peddle. No matter which one you get you will get used to it quick.
N Pooch getting used to how it works isn’t the problem. In my opinion at least. That problem for me lies in that it’s uncomfortable to roll your ankle forward and backward, as opposed to rocking on the heel of your foot to press a pedal.
I have operated equipment with both a treadle pedal. I personally do not like a treadle pedal. They are hard on the ankle especially when wearing a boot.
great video, you pointed out a con that is present in most sub compact tractors, that is a lack of position control, just about the only con I have with my 2009 Massey Ferguson GC2400, I sure it was a oversight but I see this routinely on videos posted by lot of folks that is improperly adjusted tilt angles on tillers, correct angle should be level to tilted forward at center of tine shaft to ground this enables tiller to perform as designed.
Excellent video as always Tim, I have a 1025r, but like all tractors as well. To me the most important aspect of owning a tractor, that is a sizable investment, is the longevity of the tractor & the dealership as it relates to service & repair. Pretty much any subcompact tractor will do the task of the average homeowner but down the road will the tractor continue to perform well, and can I count on the dealership to back me up😊
what we always do (granted I'm referring to a pair of 55 horse Mahindras) is we put the implement on first, raise it just off of the ground, then center it and adjust the sway bars, we always make sure to put the end of the arms to the inside of the pins as it gives us more lift height.
i have a bx and i would buy one again i personally like it better than the deere but its not like im going to not like someone because they have a deere And a funny thing to note on my tiller the dealer flipped the pins to point inwards so you don't need to loosen the 3 point
Thanks for making such great content! Wish i would have watched this before Bought my sub compact.. But i think it made the right choice! 1025R for the win!!! Keep the videos coming! God Bless!
Great video series. I have already chosen the Deere for a number of reasons but glad you are showing all aspects and letting people decide for themselves. One thing that would have been interesting to show was the difference in height to the rear edge of the implement at the highest and the lowest position. You mentioned it in the video but did not do it, (at least not yet😊). I am wondering if the angle difference between them would change anything.
On my kubota 3pt, I placed spring bar retaining clips in the clevis (shackle) connecting the turnbuckles to the lower arms. So when I want to change attachments I can pull the pins to quickly spread the lower arms.
When I was dreaming of getting a tractor, I had no idea what that three point hitch height position control was. Tim mentioned it in a video and was kind enough to explain it to me in the comments. A year later I'm about to use it, but others who don't have it mention they wished their tractor had it. The John Deere quick attach on the loader is also, in my opinion, a nicer system for these small tractors than the standard Skid Steer Quick Attach that everyone else uses. It's simple, lighter and you don't lose lift capacity due to the geometry of the system. Overall, the Deere has a "premium" feel to it, from the seat and mat on the floor to the loader control joystick location etc. You will be happy with any tractor since they are all great, but you will surely enjoy the Deere. Note also that prices can vary quite a bit, so shop smart:-)
I own a 2018 Kubota BX 23S and do use the 3 point a lot. I believe a 23S is the same as a 2680 except it comes with factory installed loader and backhoe. If you look closely there are two stops for the 3 point lift that can be adjusted by reaching under the fender. They can be used to stop up or down, also can be used to hold lift lever in down position to float in the down position. Great for using tiller, blade, etc. At least, that's how my BX 23S works. Best video I've seen on these two machines. Good job.
Those stops u deer the fender where the rear wheel is or accessed at the three point hitch? Looking at two similar set up machines. Have a Kubota dealer in town and JD is roughly 15 or 20 minutes away.
I spent four hours on my tractor volunteering at my kid's school yesterday. I whistled and hummed your tune nearly the whole time. Awesome.
This is going to be a very useful series. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
I’ve been back and forth between these two companies. You’re insight is really appreciated! Thanks and well done!
It is good to see a fair review of the two machines. Thanks for taking the time to do this Tim. I am looking forward to the up coming videos.
Great series! I'm in the market and I can't tell you how helpful this has been. Thanks so much for all the time and work you both gave to it.
Vary good video Tim. Look forward to the rest of these. I definitely have to agree that it’s vary fusterating to find a good comparison video between them.
Great review! I love the objectivity of the videos. It is easy yo see bias where they are trying to sell you something.
I grew up on JD 820 and 830 and Ford 8N. I owned a JD 4620 (135 hp) and 4850, with 10,000 hrs it still would dyno 216 peak and 196 continuous. Great tractors. I have retired and now own a Kubota B 3350 and Grand L5740. Both cab tractors. I love the hi low range lever on the column of the 5740. I use it every time I get in the tractor.
I love the way you were honest about each tractor and then adding your opinion lastly. Thank you for the honest review. Looking forward to more.
I REALLY enjoyed your unbiased compariason. So refreshing!! Thank you Tim!
Finally, a review that is not an advertisement and honest facts. Thank you.
Honest facts.... help your own country and not out source tractors. What happens when something breaks better to buy a better supplier that has more parts on hand... “johndeere”
I've seen all I needed to know by watching all your previous videos. Watching what you've been able to accomplish with Johnnie is what convinced me to pull the trigger 2 months ago and get a 1025 of my own. Very happy with the decision. I enjoy watching and learning from all your adventures. Keep up the good work.
I just bought a 1023e. This video was extremely helpful as I have a lot to learn about it. I better subscribe now to figure out the rest. Thanks Tim
Tim, I’ve been following you since quite some time, your way of explaining things inspired me to buy my Johnny, also a 1025R. I’m not a brand jockey, but my JD shop is right around the corner, whereas a presence of Kubota shops takes me to much time to reach, hence I’ve got me a Johnny.
Keep them review videos coming, you and your family are doing a marvelous job!
On a side note, how about a review of an offset ditch mower! I’m in the market, but haven’t seen much in the InteeWeb about it, especially since I need to install a 3rd function for it. Yours truly, Volker
I do like your tests and great views of both tractors. Great view and information 👍
Thanks for putting in the work! We appreciate you bud, keep up the great videos!
Well done tim by far the best test i ve seen on you tube.carry on that way .have a nice week .
Thanks. I learned quite a bit by watching. I’ve got a BX, but I truly appreciate the objective comparisons. I’m really looking forward to what other contrasts you discover in the next episodes in this series!
How do you like the BX ? I’m looking at a used 1025 and a BX similarly equipped and priced
Even though I’m above the sub compact tractor market, I think this is a really great review of both machines. It is full of useful information from someone other then a dealer. I think it will definitely help someone in the market for a machine. Well done Tim.
I could not agree more.
I am brand new to tractors. I got the 2019 massey 1735M. I have just over 100hrs on it. DId some food plots ,brush hogging, snow removal. So far really like it. Tim does amazing job with these reviews. Ive only done a few videos with the tractor. Its a lot of work but its been fun
@@donaldkrause2619 what does this mean?
@@adventurerhoades He means that he needs/uses a different class of tractor. Bigger.
@@1001011100101001 i think he meant it as a double entendre. His tractor and himself....... jk
Round #1 was exactly what I was hoping for - a fair comparison of important things between the 2 tractors. The 3 point hitch weight comparison was very interesting and answers a question that I was wondering about my own BX2680, so thank you. Can't wait for the next round!
Glad to see someone comparing two tractors of the same year. Usually when you see Kubota and John Deere comparisons they are not comparing the same model year. Making one look far better than the other.
Keep up the good work!
Good job Tim. Look forward to the next! I guess we know who wins the loader capacity comparison.
I agree, but it looks like the Deere struggled a bit to do so. I am hoping Tim comments about that in an upcoming video.
The three point hitch lower arms, on the Kubota , can be moved outward, to remove the quick hitch, by removing one of the pins at the end of the lower arms. The mower deck should be locked in the up position when using the three point hitch. I don't think you can go wrong with either tractor. I always look forward to your videos .
Next best thing to me actually test driving both!!!
Great video and cant wait for the rest.
Tim, thanks for the unbiased review. I've been following your channel for a while and today I hit the subscribe button. So. I was researching both tractors for over several months and couldn't find a review that explained what you have done so far. Last week I bought the 1023e because I love the autoconnect deck and my JD dealer allowed me to test several machines on my property because of my crazy slopes. If you can do a review about slope mowing with a subcompact that would be great. Those videos are few and far between. Sending blessings from NY brother.
I bought a tractor a little over a year ago. I had intended to buy a John Deere, hadn’t even thought about Kubota. While our house was being built I asked all the machinery operators their opinions. They all told me either a Kubota or a Deere but they cautioned me the Deere dealer wasn’t good. I started calling the parts departments to find out availability of common “breakage” parts. In almost every case one dealer had the parts in stock, the other could have it in in a week or so. The end result, based on dealer support, was I bought a Kubota L4701. It’s been a good machine, and when I snapped a brush hog blade I had a new set later that day. So... evaluate your dealers!
Being a new 1025r owner, this series has been a wealth of information
on the fine details of my tractor and how to use and adjust things. Great!
“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.” Ps 18:15
Definitely looking forward to the rest of your series. Fabulous review so far.
Great job as always Tim. Just bought another BX23s two weeks ago. I love both brands though
You are correct on the 3 point analysis. I do rest my hand on the lever on my GC2300 keeping it just over center in the lowered position while tilling. And Kubota would do well to add an inch or two of arm length. My equipment doesn't fit well on a BX because of pto length and I also drag my feet on shortening shafts to fit someone else's tractor.
Thats probably how they get the wieght increase vs JD
As the owner of multiple Kubota units from BX series all the way through L series and even the MX series each individual tractor has its certain uses . until buying my first John Deere last year we have now found that the largest and most notable difference between kubota and John deer is the #1 weight john deer, HEAVIER #2 hydraulic system capability stronger as shown at the END of the video, personally I find myself usually running for a John deer FIRST but if the ground is WET well then, go grab the kubota because I can usually get into the job SITE and out of the job SITE with very little problems, just my personal experience, love them both, GREAT JOB ON THE VIDEO CAN'T WAIT FOR THE REST
One of the most objective reviews I've ever seen on You Tube. Great job Tim.
Thank you so much for doing this. I have been researching compact tractors for about 5 months with the intention to buy spring 2020. You hit the nail on the head with most reviews being so biased and focused on silly things. You are probably planning to look at these items but I would love to see comparisons on cockpit controls and usability. Also scheduled maintenance and how easy or hard it is on each to preform service. Thanks again for the effort you are putting into this.
Did you buy a new machine and if so which one also would you make the same purchase again?
Early 2000’s New Holland TC18 (and I am sure other models) have the positioning lever for the three point.
wow...and that surprise ending. hopefully that will make it into subsequent episodes of this comparison. Thanks for doing this!
Thanks for the video, I have been trying to research these too myself but also have found very one sided arguments. I have found your views very helpful. One question I have is seat operation room, I am almost 7 foot tall so control postion and spacing for my legs and body is crucial, along with placment of controls for ease of operation. Thank you again and have a great day.
Finally a good comparison! Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Much appreciated!
Hey Jeremy. There are 11 episodes total to this comparison series. Lots of details and examples. Hope you get a chance to see them all.
I feel one important issue you missed is that on the Kubota the mmm will lock out in the top position so as not to raise and lower every time you move the 3point hitch. Keeps in up out of the way. Very good review. Thanks Tim.
It will also lock in the top position on the JD 1025R but it takes less than a minute to take the Deere deck off. Think Deere will definitely win that round.
Tim, even though I bought the 1025r, went in to buying a tractor with an open mind. I had a Cub Cadet 5234d before it and loved it. Got a great deal used. But the decision was down to these 2 and the thing that made my decision was I know someone who works at the dealer HQ. 🤷🏻♂️ Again I feel like I got a great deal on a new tractor. Thanks and keep it up.
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Hey Tim and Christy, I just bought a 2018 1025r. Thanks for all your content, it certainly helped my decision. That said, I was a bit biased from the onset, since I worked on John Deere equipment for years at a golf course. I love my tractor, and her capability continues to impress me. God bless!
Good video Tim! Thank you for making this video! Your corn looks good! My corn is about the same height and I have a cob starting if one plant!
A non dealer comparison with real world examples?! Yes!
I'm a Kubota guy, but I thought it was a very good review. I would be interested in knowing more about the Center of Gravity in relation to the rear tires; i.e., I would be interested in which is less likely to tip over an a grade. (It would be a math excerise, not a demonstration!). If they both had mid mount mowers attached that would ever be better! Thanks again and keep it up!
Thank you to good works tractors and you for doing this comparison I have people asking what are the differences
I like your approach to these comparisons. I look forward to the rest of the series.
Nice to see an honest review. Thanks. I'm a Kubota BX23S owner, but I don't have a bias one way or the other. My choice came down to the dealer and which one treated me the best. Kubota won. Dealer location wasn't an issue since the Deere and Kubota dealers are across the street from each other.
I thought the lack of position control would be a big negative when selecting the BX. After some thought I realized that the vast majority of 3 point work on a subcompact the hitch is either fully up or down. Then came the problem with the hitch not floating back down due to terrain changes. By opening up the flow valve and riding the lever to compensate for the terrain, the implement stays engaged. Sounds like a lot to do, but it quickly becomes second nature.
There are so many excellent tractor brands available it's hard to go wrong. The one thing that I see way too often is people chasing specs. To those that say "My tractor can lift more than yours", yet will never come anywhere close to pushing the tractor to it's limits, what's the point? Buy the tractor that fits your needs, is within your budget, and if you can find a dealer that is honest and treats you well...you are in good shape.
Good comment!
It looks like you may have fairly close to the same tire treads. Is the BX fluid filled? I would be curious to see some traction tests performed.
I bin watching your videos for so long, and I have to say you are doing amazing work on explaining stuff! Nice job, nice videos Tim!
Maaaan. I have been looking for this comparison for those two model. Thank you so much Tim.
Thanks for the review Tim. I happen to own the BX23S but I would be equally happy with a 1025R. I agree with your assessment. The 3 point height adjustment would be a nice feature and I wish I had had it when I was using my box blade on the driveway. I have since paved my driveway so its not much of an issue anymore. I would also love the JD drive over deck. While my Kubota deck is not that hard to take on and off I only do it when I have to. I chose the Kubota because my neighbor has one and I was able to watch him and ask lots of questions. I have both a John Deere dealer and a Kubota dealer about equal distances apart, both being less than 10 miles away. My John Deere dealer is fine but I enjoy working with the guys at the Kubota dealer more. I always enjoy watching your videos and seeing the differences between the various tractors you own and use. Thanks for the honest review. Its refreshing.
And this is why I love TTWT.
Enjoyed the video Tim & Christy. Enjoyed seeing the comparison between Orange and Green. I'm glad I could go with green. Looking forward to seeing more videos. Y'all take care and God bless.
Great job Tim! In 2006 I bought a Deere 2305 and it is setup like the Kubota, stabilizers on the inside and no (set spots) on the lift arms controls. Kubota, Cub Cadet, New Holland and Deere were all the same price. No Regrets on buying the Deere it has done me well. I would like to upgrade to the 1 series but the price keeps me from doing so and there is nothing wrong with the 2305.
Thanks for the videos!
When I started looking for a compact tractor, I started with the BX. I ended up getting a B2650, and here's why: loader lift capacity, overall weight, 3-point hitch features, and ground clearance. The weight and loader capacity are obviously larger for the larger tractor. I understand the B2650 compares more closely to the Deere 3000 series. But I didn't like the BX not having position control on the 3-point hitch. My B2650 has position control, extendable links, and "telescoping flat bar style" stabilizers (on the inside), all of which works very well. (Maybe the BX now has optional "telescoping flat bar style" stabilizers?? That would be a great improvement.) The telescoping flat bar stabilizers have holes that you put a pin through to lock it at a certain length. They are easy to pull the pin and change the length. And there are enough holes to give a variety of usable lengths, including float positions.
Another great video Tim. I’ve actually thought about this a lot because I’m starting to have a lot of issues with my 2038r. The main issues I’m having is as follows, the stand of the loader has been replaced twice the bolts keep breaking it keeps bending. The mid mount mower setting is going haywire now. The front loader loses pressure whenever you have a load on it and you can almost watch it settling to the ground. My Backhoe You Must keep raising the Boom or the backhoe just bounces all over the place. And I am told by my dealer all this is normal just keep the pin in to keep it locked. So the only other tractor around me is orange. But service is the key and I am not getting it from my dealer.
Just straight shooting, honest information, no b.s. Great job and looking forward to more. Thanks Tim.
thanks for watching, Shawn!
Interesting & informative, thanks for the review and looking forward to future comparison videos.
I’ve owned John Deere’s for 35 years and love my dealer. But I bought a Kubota BX this month after spending months doing research. My three critical points are dealer, price and equipment. And it killed me to switch dealers, but price and equipment won out. Both will get the job done and you can’t go wrong with either.
greatmoose17 I’ve had a 1025 and I have a 2011 Kubota 3300. Zero issues with the Kubota. I sold the John Deere after constant replacement of the pins and other hardware on the drive over deck. Cheap metal.
But the 1 series JD walks all over the Kubota in every...single...metric. and Tim hasn't had any issues at all.
nothing is perfect but you seem happy with your equipment and that's all that matters
8:15 - buy a $2 spring pin to replace one cottered-pin, and they you have no turnbuckle issue on the K'.
There is a knob at the base of the seat that controls how fast the mower deck/3 point lift arms go down. For the tilling test you may need to open the valve/knob so it can float faster. I have run into this while grading out potholes with a rear blade. Great video!
Nice job as always Tim. I will be buying one of those two machines very soon, so your input is valued a bunch!
lock the mower deck up with the mower height control. that should help keep it out of the way on the kubota
I've been running a bx2370 for 6 years now mostly for snow removal with blower and broom. It's a great tractor, but the front quick hitch is sub par to the Deere and so are the attachments. I would choose the JD over the Kubota next time around.
Wish I had access to the BX front quick hitch and attachments!
That is my biggest complaint on the three point. When I tiller i keep my hand on the lever to let it go deeper when needed. I am glad someone else noticed it. I still love vs my bx
Thank you. Once again. In debth, thourgh, and concise! Well done!
One of the main reasons I own a Deere. My broken up body trying to mount mid-mower. Just the first reason.
I understand, I'm in the same boat....
@@kevinsullivan9049 Kubota has a drive over mmm for the BX. I've had back surgery and it is pretty easy to hookup and unhook.
Tim, for the hydraulic PSI test the BX is rated to be at max pressure of 2000psi. Ive heard from factory its set between 1925 & 1950. When people use shims they usually raise it to 1975 to 1985psi range and see a noticeable difference.
Really appreciate your review. Can’t wait for the next video. 👍👍 any chance you can compare the belly mowers for mowing the lawn? I wonder if the weight difference of the tractors on the grass will have any affect since they both have R4 tires. Really appreciate the time, effort, and insight you put into all your videos.
we'll compare the mowers. our grass is essentially dead (from dry weather), so not sure if we'll have much to say about weight difference. Won't be able to get 'springtime' type test.
Thanks for the clear review. I live south of Indy now, but have lived in Lebanon in the past.
The thing is if john deere did the test they would point out all the good things of the jd and the bad things of the kubota it would be the same if kubota did the test si its great that you are doing it
Hey Tim. I’m sure it’s in your plans, but you should also mention price of the two units. Just another thing to compare. Have a great day.
They were about the same for me in my area at around 22k. The Kubota was a little more because of their warranty they force you into and I believe it was around $1400 or so. JD was pennies on the dollar, but don't think it is as good as the Kubota one. I think JD's was around $350 or so.
stedder8436 i find the deere to be about 1000-1500 more
cashxx interesting just bought here a bx 2380 with frontloader for quite below 17k € the whole package with tiller, fail mower, snow shield with front hydraulic and grasland harrow and change the lower link eye with a normal euro catch hook... all for 23k € and 5 year warranty is included...
We sell both and they are very similar in price with just a loader your around 17k
@@niederbayer1199 Sorry, I was comparing 2018 models of the 1025r and BX23s with backhoes when I was looking. They were about the same price.
👍 Looking forward to the next one in the series...currently researching the bx23s and the JD1025r
In the hill country here in central Texas a wider wheel base really helps out on the slopes and hills. I run a Yanmar 424 and it really has performed good for what I have used it for.
The deer is taller and the operator sits higher. My best guess is it would be a wash on stability...
I am pretty stingy with likes on youtube. You sir, have earned one from me today. Keep up the good work and I cant wait to watch this series. I own a 1025r mostly because I got it for a good price. Most videos I have watched, no matter how honest they say they are going to be, usually is pretty biased. You did a great job being up front with details in this first video of the series.
I agree
Tim, you missed something VERY important. The Deere 1025r 3 point arms are Reversible. They provide different geometry depending on how you mount them. One way gives you higher lift. Please reverse them and show the viewers how it changes things... for better or worse. Thanks for the work you do,
Good point. I knew that, but forgot.
I have had my 1023 for 4 years and never new that! Can’t wait to go out in the garage tomorrow morning and check it out
When you say higher lift did you mean reversing them gives you a higher weight or height?
Great video fun and informative, superbly done, thank you for your honesty and integrity on the comparison
Thanks for watching, Orrin. ...and I appreciate your ongoing comments on the subsequent episodes. Hope you get a chance to watch them all!
Very impressed with your straight forth information. I like the verse at the end!
I want know the engine noise levels. The JD rattles to much at idle as the KB just purs.
Kubota diesel is significantly quieter than the yanmar. Both are great engines but you see way more kubota diesel engines in other brand equipment than just about any other manufacturer.
for being comparable tractors, the kobota looks like a toy next to the 120R. Good review Tim. Keep up the good work!
As with the tractors themselves, everyone has a different agenda and different approaches of doing things. So I'm not a big review person, but I do like seeing how different engineers think about the same task. As always great work guys.....
This was an awesome review, very well done Tim! I could not be happier with our John Deere 1025r, it's used frequently for many challenging tasks and I never have any issues whatsoever. Removing the mower deck and reinstalling it is a regular task and I have not experienced any complications with alignment. Our neighbor down the road has a Kubota series that is the larger version and it works great as well. For our property and our needs we love our 1025R! Our terrain is very uneven and rough with many steep slopes. Negotiating the slopes is a must while mowing our pasture but I have never felt at risk of tipping in the steep areas. Epic tractor!
The only reason somone would love a mahindra is that it's new cheap or they haven't had a tractor before.
Tim the reason why the tiller was lifting in the back was because you had the mower deck on. To solve that problem, Lift the mower deck all the way up, then set the mower height adjustment to top. this actually lets the three point hitch fall all by itself, Because the mower will stay at the top level were is will not interfere. Hope i explained that good. There also is an adjustment to limit the three point hitch, i will have to look that up when i have more time. Thanks for the video.
I would like to see this from the side, in action. What you say makes sense .
Really great review ! They both got better options then my Hinomoto E-14-D lol . I must say it's a little work horse though . Looks like the sweetcorn is coming along !
I think it’s hilarious you kept the mower deck on and cited the reason as “it’s a pain to remove”. It’s the exact reason why I opted for the Deere as it was huge for me. Great vid!
One of the biggest reasons I do wish I owned a Deere, the mid mount. That said, sales and support at Pape was arrogant and dismissive. Make sure you take that into account when making a purchasing decision. PTI (Pacific Tractor and Implement) a local dealer is why I own a BX and not a Deere. They have always treated a little guy like me with respect and first class service.
Owned a JD 1025R, was a decent tractor, wasn’t real impressed with quality. Just sold a Kubota B2601 and that was a good tractor. I’m on to a Kioti NX5510. So far so good
I'm interested in your thoughts on kubotas treadle pedal vs Deeres hydro pedals
When it comes to the peddles it's a matter of preference. There is a small advantage to the treadle peddle when you are turned around looking behind you. It's easier to switch back and forth from forward to backward with a treadle peddle. No matter which one you get you will get used to it quick.
Yes! I hate the treadle pedal regardless of machine or brand. I much prefer John Deere’s hydro pedals.
I'd like to hear about this as well. I know he's used to the Deere, but how easy is it to 'get used to' the Kubota?
N Pooch getting used to how it works isn’t the problem. In my opinion at least. That problem for me lies in that it’s uncomfortable to roll your ankle forward and backward, as opposed to rocking on the heel of your foot to press a pedal.
I have operated equipment with both a treadle pedal. I personally do not like a treadle pedal. They are hard on the ankle especially when wearing a boot.
great video, you pointed out a con that is present in most sub compact tractors, that is a lack of position control, just about the only con I have with my 2009 Massey Ferguson GC2400, I sure it was a oversight but I see this routinely on videos posted by lot of folks that is improperly adjusted tilt angles on tillers, correct angle should be level to tilted forward at center of tine shaft to ground this enables tiller to perform as designed.
Great comparison video. You covered many things and never once showed bias. Bravo! By the way I bleed orange. Keep up the good work.
Excellent video as always Tim, I have a 1025r, but like all tractors as well. To me the most important aspect of owning a tractor, that is a sizable investment, is the longevity of the tractor & the dealership as it relates to service & repair. Pretty much any subcompact tractor will do the task of the average homeowner but down the road will the tractor continue to perform well, and can I count on the dealership to back me up😊
It all comes down to cost and how close your dealer is.
what we always do (granted I'm referring to a pair of 55 horse Mahindras) is we put the implement on first, raise it just off of the ground, then center it and adjust the sway bars, we always make sure to put the end of the arms to the inside of the pins as it gives us more lift height.
I was hoping you would do one this I’ve been looking at both machines and this is going to really help me
i have a bx and i would buy one again i personally like it better than the deere but its not like im going to not like someone because they have a deere
And a funny thing to note on my tiller the dealer flipped the pins to point inwards so you don't need to loosen the 3 point
Thanks for making such great content! Wish i would have watched this before Bought my sub compact.. But i think it made the right choice! 1025R for the win!!! Keep the videos coming! God Bless!
If you got the 1025r, you made the right choice! Trust me. You’ve seen only one portion of this review.
Great video series. I have already chosen the Deere for a number of reasons but glad you are showing all aspects and letting people decide for themselves. One thing that would have been interesting to show was the difference in height to the rear edge of the implement at the highest and the lowest position. You mentioned it in the video but did not do it, (at least not yet😊). I am wondering if the angle difference between them would change anything.
On my kubota 3pt, I placed spring bar retaining clips in the clevis (shackle) connecting the turnbuckles to the lower arms. So when I want to change attachments I can pull the pins to quickly spread the lower arms.
Don't buy a RK55 been waiting 4 MONTHS on a seal and oil return tube
That made up my mind on a tractor I'm going with a deere
When I was dreaming of getting a tractor, I had no idea what that three point hitch height position control was. Tim mentioned it in a video and was kind enough to explain it to me in the comments. A year later I'm about to use it, but others who don't have it mention they wished their tractor had it. The John Deere quick attach on the loader is also, in my opinion, a nicer system for these small tractors than the standard Skid Steer Quick Attach that everyone else uses. It's simple, lighter and you don't lose lift capacity due to the geometry of the system. Overall, the Deere has a "premium" feel to it, from the seat and mat on the floor to the loader control joystick location etc. You will be happy with any tractor since they are all great, but you will surely enjoy the Deere. Note also that prices can vary quite a bit, so shop smart:-)
Thanks so much for info
Well done! Thanks for the help.
I own a 2018 Kubota BX 23S and do use the 3 point a lot. I believe a 23S is the same as a 2680 except it comes with factory installed loader and backhoe. If you look closely there are two stops for the 3 point lift that can be adjusted by reaching under the fender. They can be used to stop up or down, also can be used to hold lift lever in down position to float in the down position. Great for using tiller, blade, etc. At least, that's how my BX 23S works. Best video I've seen on these two machines. Good job.
Those stops u deer the fender where the rear wheel is or accessed at the three point hitch? Looking at two similar set up machines. Have a Kubota dealer in town and JD is roughly 15 or 20 minutes away.